What happened to Lutpin?

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I’ve decide to open this thread after seeing that Lutpin has been red tagged again by The Pharmacist.

To make a long story short: over a year ago, I applied for the 777coin signature campaign, managed by him, and I was accepted. Everything looked good; he was one of the most trusted guys on the forum and was managing other campaigns.

At first, we were being paid weekly, quite regularly. At some point, we had a delay apparently because the escrow hadn’t been refilled on time. Then, we went on to two-weeks rounds, and we sometimes got paid on time but other times we had double or triple (two-week) rounds because apparently, the forum at the time of counting was under DDS attack of because the escrow hadn’t been refilled or something.

When we were having delays, Lutpin wasn’t saying anything because he didn’t find it necessary.

Then, last summer we were almost 12 weeks without getting paid. That was too much, and LFC_Bitcoin bumped an old scam accusation about the campaign.

Many people got aware of the situation and The Pharmacist gave red trust to Lightlord, and I also think he gave it to Lutpin at that time but I’m not 100% sure.

Finally, Lutpin appeared and said that it was his fault:

Lutpin doesn’t deserve a negative rating of course. I did one for lightlord but I’ll remove it when Lutpin pays us.

Since this is my fault, if anyone does, it is me.

We finally got paid, and some of us left the 777coin campaign.

I have to add that the bitvest.io campaign had a similar delay to ours but people weren’t complaining nearly as much. Also the bitblender campaign managed by him got some delays.

I wasn’t sure but I was supposing that, after that, he would resume somewhat regular payments or he would resign from managing the campaigns.
But today I’ve realized that the bitblender campaign has been two months without payments, the 777coin campaign hasn’t been paid since we left it (September 23) and the bitvest.io campaign hasn’t been paid since October 6 (when Lutpin got tagged by The Pharmacist)

This way of managing campaigns is not only annoying for participants, but also for applicants, who can wear a signature for months without knowing if they are accepted.

I think Lutpin hasn’t been red tagged by more people because of the previous green trust.

What do you think has happened to him?

I can think of personal trouble, but if I was in personal trouble for so long I would stop managing the campaigns.

Or maybe he is making too much money apart from the campaigns and he doesn’t care about his trust?

 

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[BitcoinSupremo]

Just compare who has given more contribute to the forum during their stay and find your answer. Of course is Lutpin (no offense to the other party). End of story. In the 777 campaign everyone has been always paid and this is a promise of both the owner of the campaing "lightlord" and Lutpin himself. I don't see any reason to open such thread. Maximum what Lutpin should do is change payment terms, he should do a minimum of 1 month and a maximum of 3 month before being paid. This will solve everything.

[OgNasty]

[Quickseller]

It doesn't sound like Lutpin was actually acting as an escrow agent to the campaign if they were delays caused by the owner of 777 casino.

If the owner of the 777 casino allowed the escrow wallet to become depleted, then lutpin should have warned participants that he was unable to guarantee payment.

[Astargath]

It doesn't sound like Lutpin was actually acting as an escrow agent to the campaign if they were delays caused by the owner of 777 casino.

If the owner of the 777 casino allowed the escrow wallet to become depleted, then lutpin should have warned participants that he was unable to guarantee payment.

He was escrow for Bitvest, also on the 777 campaign the escrow wallet was filled, he could have paid 1-2 weeks. He is unprofessional.

[LTU_btc]

Only Lutpin can answer this question, we can only predict... Maybe he have problems in his personal life or he is too bussy to provide campaign management services. As we can see, he last time signed in yesterday, so he is probably aware about red trust left by The Pharmacist. But silence from looks really suspicious and unprofessional. Is it so difficult to drop an answer - what's going on. If he can't provide campaign management services anymore, he have to pay to campaign participants and leave this job if he value his reputation.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Just compare who has given more contribute to the forum during their stay and find your answer. Of course is Lutpin (no offense to the other party). End of story.

It's not the end of the story.  If he's having problems paying his campaign participants--and he's got a history of this now, he ought to not be doing it.  I don't trust him as a manager anymore, which is why I left the feedback.  We've all seen good members suddenly change for the bad, so his past contributions compared to mine are irrelevant. 

The fact is that I've got people PM'ing me about the matter of BitBlender participants not being paid as well as 777Coin ones.  Would you still trust him?  How long would you wait?  People like you put way too much faith in trusted members around here, because that can change in a heartbeat.

All these people who keep applying to Lutpin's campaigns deserve to be warned.

[Wendigo]

The casino owner seems to not care one bit either 

[Quickseller]

It doesn't sound like Lutpin was actually acting as an escrow agent to the campaign if they were delays caused by the owner of 777 casino.

If the owner of the 777 casino allowed the escrow wallet to become depleted, then lutpin should have warned participants that he was unable to guarantee payment.

He was escrow for Bitvest, also on the 777 campaign the escrow wallet was filled, he could have paid 1-2 weeks. He is unprofessional.

If he has the btc to pay participants but hasn’t done so, that would also be concerning. Especially considering he hasn’t given any explanation for the delay.

[BitcoinSupremo]

Just compare who has given more contribute to the forum during their stay and find your answer. Of course is Lutpin (no offense to the other party). End of story.

It's not the end of the story.  If he's having problems paying his campaign participants--and he's got a history of this now, he ought to not be doing it.  I don't trust him as a manager anymore, which is why I left the feedback.  We've all seen good members suddenly change for the bad, so his past contributions compared to mine are irrelevant. 

The fact is that I've got people PM'ing me about the matter of BitBlender participants not being paid as well as 777Coin ones.  Would you still trust him?  How long would you wait?  People like you put way too much faith in trusted members around here, because that can change in a heartbeat.

All these people who keep applying to Lutpin's campaigns deserve to be warned.

I would trust him much more than this amount of time, last time we got paid on 23 September so I can wait up until end of December without worrying when I know I have had a past of received payments from both the owner and manager of 777 campaign. I would start to worry if nothing happens until end of December. As I said they the owner and manager needs only to change the payment terms and nothing else.

[LoyceV]

It's weird seeing a former trusted user just not care anymore, Lutpin has barely made any posts in the past months.

I'm surprised users still wear the signatures after not getting paid for 2 months. I'm just posting here to read updates

As I said they the owner and manager needs only to change the payment terms and nothing else.

I'd say changing campaign manager to someone who has time to manage the campaign makes much more sense.

[Astargath]

It's weird seeing a former trusted user just not care anymore, Lutpin has barely made any posts in the past months.

I'm surprised users still wear the signatures after not getting paid for 2 months. I'm just posting here to read updates

As I said they the owner and manager needs only to change the payment terms and nothing else.

I'd say changing campaign manager to someone who has time to manage the campaign makes much more sense.

I personally left Bitvest because of that. The owner was also pretty lazy but you expect the manager to keep participants informed and counting their posts each week. We had to wait like 2 more weeks even after he had all the money because he didn't count anything during the 10+ week period.

[gentlemand]

I would trust him much more than this amount of time, last time we got paid on 23 September so I can wait up until end of December without worrying when I know I have had a past of received payments from both the owner and manager of 777 campaign. I would start to worry if nothing happens until end of December. As I said they the owner and manager needs only to change the payment terms and nothing else.

Why would anyone wait around that long? That's several months. I'd give a non paying campaign one grace period beyond the agreed payment schedule then I'd be out of there. They're not charities, neither should you be.

[vit05]

I would trust him much more than this amount of time, last time we got paid on 23 September so I can wait up until end of December without worrying when I know I have had a past of received payments from both the owner and manager of 777 campaign. I would start to worry if nothing happens until end of December. As I said they the owner and manager needs only to change the payment terms and nothing else.

Why would anyone wait around that long? That's several months. I'd give a non paying campaign one grace period beyond the agreed payment schedule then I'd be out of there. They're not charities, neither should you be.

There are not many options, there are no campaigns right now. So I believe the best option is actually to wait for a possible payment or not to use any signature. If I were in the campaign I would also continue to use their signatures.

Plus it has Lutpin's past, his reputation. And they are campaigns that are already happening for a long time with companies already established.

[S_Therapist]

Plus it has Lutpin's past, his reputation. And they are campaigns that are already happening for a long time with companies already established.

Admit that he has a good reputation, but he should be professional here. Throwing a message doesn't take a lot of time OR, he could simply put a notification in OP explaining the reason behind the late payments.
BitBlender still says it's accepting new participants. Since he is not active, wouldn't it be better to use CFNP in the title?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

There are not many options, there are no campaigns right now. So I believe the best option is actually to wait for a possible payment or not to use any signature. If I were in the campaign I would also continue to use their signatures.

This is something I vehemently disagree with.  You're absolutely right--there aren't a lot of bitcoin-paying signature campaigns anymore.  How does that excuse a campaign manager for making his participants wait weeks for payment, not even sure they'll be paid at all? 

Desperation has made a lot of these people submissive in the face of some massive bullshit on the part of Lutpin, and I don't think that's right.  I know Lutpin has an excellent reputation as a campaign manager, but we're talking about the current situation.  If you people don't stand up for what's right, you're going to have to keep dealing with this nonsense of not getting paid and not being told what's going on. 

I think many people are too afraid to speak up, because they think they might get blacklisted.  I'm NOT saying this is what would happen, but I know the mindset that causes people to just keep waiting and defending a campaign manager who obviously doesn't care anymore.  I was in Lutpin's 777Coin campaign for a while, and he did a great job while I was in it.  I don't know what happened since then, but you guys need to wake up and see that the situation has changed.

[Wendigo]

You need to poke the campaign owner lightlord with some perky negatives and he himself will throw out Lutpin from managing the campaign real fast 

[r1s2g3]

It's weird seeing a former trusted user just not care anymore, Lutpin has barely made any posts in the past months.

I'm surprised users still wear the signatures after not getting paid for 2 months. I'm just posting here to read updates

Lutpin is not only trusted but himself a DT2 member.

As I said they the owner and manager needs only to change the payment terms and nothing else.

I'd say changing campaign manager to someone who has time to manage the campaign makes much more sense.

If Lutpin is too busy then he can recruit a trusted assistant bounty manager or he can collaborate with another trusted bounty manager that can able to share his load for time being.

If he keeps the mum, then it will not be good for anyone.(neither for lutpin, nor for participants who are waiting for payments anfd have no idea whether they will be paid or not).

[The Cryptovator]

Lutpin has updated on thread ;

I'm preparing payments to make up for the missed rounds.
They'll be sent out tomorrow morning.

After that, the campaign will switch from bi-weekly payments to monthly rounds,
but more about that once the payments have been made.

I'll also talk to bitblender about whether, and if how, to transfer the campaign.

Most likely he want to transfer campaign. I don't know what happen to him, may be busy personal life or something else. We can't see any reaction about his red tag. I have remember once I joined forum and exposed scam ICO he was the only one who handle them. But recently he isn't active anymore there.

[pixie85]

I saw that he was online a few times and didn't post anything, so he clearly had access to his account and to the Internet. It takes less than 10 seconds to write "I'm terribly sorry for the delay, I got some issues, will explain on the (date)", especially when you're already logged in, like he was. He didn't do it = he doesn't care.