Will BTC and the Alts be easier to manipulate now

[mr.mister]

That so much capital left the market? Market cap was $220 billion 3 weeks ago. Today, we are barely holding on to $125 billion market cap. How much lower can btc go in price? 3k, 2k, 1k?

I don't feel like it's dead, but I feel like it is a lot more vulnerable than it was prior to a month ago, and I am not certain about a recovery any time soon.

[waterman]

If you are a billionaire and you want to control and manipulate the market in the future, now it is a good time to buy, I guess that is what happened in the last weeks and one of the biggest manipulators is the Satoshi himself

[pooya87]

what does the total market cap have anything to do with bitcoin price that you are asking your question like this?!! there are trillions of tokens in circulation and when the price of shitcoins fall this total market cap ($200 billion) gets dumped hard with them. just as when  shitcoins are pumping it shoots up! it is fake anyways.

as for manipulation, the more you manipulate and the more you push the price down the harder it gets since the resistance would become bigger and bigger. to a point where  the buying power not only negates the manipulators but also pushes it back up again.

[shinharu10282016]

That so much capital left the market? Market cap was $220 billion 3 weeks ago. Today, we are barely holding on to $125 billion market cap. How much lower can btc go in price? 3k, 2k, 1k?

I don't feel like it's dead, but I feel like it is a lot more vulnerable than it was prior to a month ago, and I am not certain about a recovery any time soon.

2018 is a year of manipulation because of 2017's skyrocketing Bitcoin and Altcoin prices. It happened before, and it will always happen. Number 1 reason I see is that the market doesn't need too much filthy coins, if you know what I mean. Its a fit year for survival because we all know how many scams have already happened. And last but not the least, we should only see the trend last year. It won't be long till it rises but do not expect too much.

[Janation]

I don't know but all I know is that it is still vulnerable to quick changes since that is how Bitcoin is.

Bitcoin and other crypto currencies are vulnerable to quick changes because they are decentralized, the reason they are volatile as they are. But I don't think investors will manipulate Bitcoin now even the price is low since even if it is low, for an investor and a crypto, it is still expensive. And if you are observing the price, it is still moving up.

[millgates]

That so much capital left the market? Market cap was $220 billion 3 weeks ago. Today, we are barely holding on to $125 billion market cap. How much lower can btc go in price? 3k, 2k, 1k?

I don't feel like it's dead, but I feel like it is a lot more vulnerable than it was prior to a month ago, and I am not certain about a recovery any time soon.

ICO is one of some factors that make bitcoin price fall, some investors buught altcoins using btc and then the developer immediately convert it into fiat to avoid volatility of cryptocurrency price. But actually that fund is still used to develop cryptocurrency related platform and then it will give good impact for cryptocurrency so actually it is the right time to buy bitcoin, but I won't buy it now because the price will keep go down until less than $3000. I will buy it again when there is a good signal of increasing price of bitcoin. Then I will become a millionaire. I disagree if you said that cryptocurrency be easier to manipulate, no it's harder now because many new people buy bitcoin now and btc will spread evenly so liquidity become higher.

[mk4]

Bitcoin and other crypto currencies are vulnerable to quick changes because they are decentralized, the reason they are volatile as they are.

I don't think bitcoin and the cryptocurrency markets in general are volatile due to them being decentralized. They are volatile and easy to skew in price simply because there isn't that much money into bitcoin or cryptocurrencies, compared to other very stable assets like gold. As we speak, bitcoin only has $67 billion in marketcap whereas gold’s total market value is estimated at around $7.8 trillion source[1].

[1] http://fortune.com/2017/12/09/cameron-winklevoss-bitcoin-multitrillion-dollar-asset/

[btc-room101]

That so much capital left the market? Market cap was $220 billion 3 weeks ago. Today, we are barely holding on to $125 billion market cap. How much lower can btc go in price? 3k, 2k, 1k?

I don't feel like it's dead, but I feel like it is a lot more vulnerable than it was prior to a month ago, and I am not certain about a recovery any time soon.

On a positive note, as the price of BTC collapses and all our speculators get burnt and become destitute, in time BTC will return to its humble beginning, where its just mined, and used for transferring wealth. Free money transfer for the little-people, unmolested by Governments ( Here is why we need real security & privacy in BTC ).

Also of course glad to see everybody here hitting the 'shitcoins' hard, if it weren't for the shit-coins, BTC really would have gone to the moon, but the dilution and confusion of the shitcoins, really soils BTC.

Largely the fault is the exchanges, for putting the shitcoins on equal footing, but then exchanges became nothing more than casinos for the speculators,

Remember BITCOIN itself was never a PONZI, its the majority of people that PROMOTE BTC that are the ponzi,

Sort of like the GUN arguments, guns don't do bad, people do bad with guns, same for BTC, BTC never did bad, but Bad people did bad things with bitcoin

[Pursuer]

the reason for manipulating price is to make money and if what you say is true and actual "money" has gone out of the market then there is no more reason to manipulate it anymore since they wouldn't be able to make any money from it.

although that is not the case, I am just pointing out the paradox in your statement. in reality in my opinion there is only uncertainty right now but if price were to drop more then there will be a lot of "jumping in" that the same people would start buying more.

[Kakmakr]

You still have to dump a tremendous amount of money into Bitcoin to manipulate the price, because at $4000 per bitcoin it might not sound like a lot of money, but the "waiting" period to get a ROI, when you bought loads of coins, will take several years to recover.

The risk associated with a large investment like that, might also not be attractive to a lot of fiat whales that wants to manipulate the Bitcoin price.

I agree with you that a much lower price would offer fiat whales more scope to execute large scale manipulation, because it becomes cheaper to do that.  

[qiman]

The smaller the market cap in general in any financial market, the bigger the manipulation can become. Have you not seen coins or tokens with small market caps pump and dump very high or very low because in a matter of minutes one whale alone can move the whole market because he wants to? This is the same for the whole crypto market in general. It can be manipulated even more now and with all the FUD news churned out on purpose, this is what is happening to scare people into selling.

[steampunkz]

For me I think its manipulated by greedy investors and traders, Others are using bots to pump and dump any altcoins they want. It should be also easy if you have big funds in BTC, But anyways BTC still has a high and reasonable price right now?

[jseverson]

On a positive note, as the price of BTC collapses and all our speculators get burnt and become destitute, in time BTC will return to its humble beginning, where its just mined, and used for transferring wealth. Free money transfer for the little-people, unmolested by Governments ( Here is why we need real security & privacy in BTC ).

As much as that would be ideal for the ideological believers, I don't think this will happen anytime soon. The crash seems to have made people forget that Bitcoin has been in worse situations and has come out blazing. It's only a matter of time before it recovers, and even eclipses its ATH.

For me I think its manipulated by greedy investors and traders, Others are using bots to pump and dump any altcoins they want. It should be also easy if you have big funds in BTC, But anyways BTC still has a high and reasonable price right now?

This fits the narrative of insitutional investors wanting to get in the market, but without any proof, it's just conjecture.

[funchiestz]

That so much capital left the market? Market cap was $220 billion 3 weeks ago. Today, we are barely holding on to $125 billion market cap. How much lower can btc go in price? 3k, 2k, 1k?

I don't feel like it's dead, but I feel like it is a lot more vulnerable than it was prior to a month ago, and I am not certain about a recovery any time soon.

In fact, the lower the price, the lower the manipulation. Like the same profit. As profit falls, interest decreases. So the market needs a new excitement right now. Otherwise, it may try to go down further after a while.

[Woolles890]

Indeed manipulation makes them happy, and speculators are only limited to the game, but this will not last long, if price manipulation goes down they will also suffer losses, we wait for a sense of saturation so realize that market manipulation is easy but to generate it seems difficult.

[nicster551]

That so much capital left the market? Market cap was $220 billion 3 weeks ago. Today, we are barely holding on to $125 billion market cap. How much lower can btc go in price? 3k, 2k, 1k?

I don't feel like it's dead, but I feel like it is a lot more vulnerable than it was prior to a month ago, and I am not certain about a recovery any time soon.

It was even easy to manipulate at its high capital. What more they could do with this kind of small capital now?

[coin8coin8]

In fact, compared to the past few years, bitcoin is now more difficult to manipulate, because the price of bitcoin was only a few dozen dollars a few years ago, and now the price of bitcoin has reached or even tens of thousands of dollars, so the bitcoin is harder manipulated. The amount of money needed will be more and more, but for altcoins, it is still very easy to manipulate the price of them.

[creeps]

If you are a billionaire and you want to control and manipulate the market in the future, now it is a good time to buy, I guess that is what happened in the last weeks and one of the biggest manipulators is the Satoshi himself

Its more cheaper now and for sure many new whales are already in the market. Its easy for them now to manipulate the market because they own more bitcoin/altoins now. Strong regulation in cryptomarket is what we need so those who are trying to ruin the reputation of cryptocurrency will be caught by the authorities.

The rise of this market is still not sure, no one can say when it will start to recover or it will still longer on this dump level but hopefully the price wont go lower than $3k again. I wish for a real investors to come it in this market to stop the bleeding, there's still time before the end of 2018.

For me I think its manipulated by greedy investors and traders, Others are using bots to pump and dump any altcoins they want. It should be also easy if you have big funds in BTC, But anyways BTC still has a high and reasonable price right now?

Bitcoin is still high if you look at the price in the past, but this must be stop now before we hit the $2k level again.

[coinwizard_]

Market manipulators who push the price down are now doing themselves any favours. A recovery is becoming increasingly difficult and at this rate could take years before people rejoin the crypto world

[BuyBuyBitcoin]

That so much capital left the market? Market cap was $220 billion 3 weeks ago. Today, we are barely holding on to $125 billion market cap. How much lower can btc go in price? 3k, 2k, 1k?

It has to wipe out the alts and make the ICO's think twice before launching because there isn't easy money in crypto like last year.

Bitcoin isn't the coin to be worried about. It's the 1000's of alts that are going to 0 while bitcoins value increases next year.