Missionary killed by Primitive tribe in India

[Spendulus]

You are right, being an atheist does not mean one is a Christian-hater, an atheist can be as loving and as kind as any other person.

Exactly. In fact, he should be the more so.

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[amishmanish]

You are the one who started off calling "other people" savages  with your "obviously pro-Christian" concerns.

The article is very biased and even a bit weird in it's orientation, and obviously anti-Christian, alleging he was engaging in "illegal and immoral acts."

You then continued to show your hatred because killing off the people and setting a resort there seems a better option to you.

Wipe the island clean?

Sounds interesting. I'm having some trouble getting sympathetic to these savages. Bows and arrows and solving problems by killing people.

Maybe a nice resort could go there?

And finally when someone calls the bullshit out by actually talking what this was about: An evangelist trying to force his teachings in an apparent attempt to conquer "Satan's last stronghold" (His own words too)., You take the moral high-ground by portraying yourself as the atheist and rationalist here.

Go ahead and condone murder.

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I don't feel sorry for a person so wrapped up in dogma that he demands to push it on people that just want to be left the fuck alone.  Honestly I think it's ignorant of Christians to think it's their duty to make people believe the same as them, here's an idea for them, fuck off and leave people alone that don't want your dogmatic horse shit, or who believe another stupid dogmatic religion...  If you're shitty dogma is perfect and right the whole world will find it by themselves!

You don't need to rationalize your position that I invited you to. The hate is pretty thick, though. I may be an atheist, but not of your type.

Atheist or not, The hate is pretty thick with you too, Dear Sir.

The proselytizing tendencies of Abrahamic religions is a complex matter and this incident cannot be viewed simply as a "fool getting himself killed because he didn't know what he was getting into". John Allen Chau must have been a decent human being. But who is to say that he wasn't another brain-washed young man who didn't have any qualms while putting his life into clear danger in an apparent attempt to "save the natives". I doubt that he would have been so adventurous/ quixotic, had he known that the islanders will take his life.
As the article linked above highlights, if the Indian agencies had been a bit more professional, this could all have been avoided.

[Spendulus]

You are the one who started off calling "other people" savages  with your "obviously pro-Christian" concerns.
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Atheist or not, The hate is pretty thick with you too, Dear Sir.
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No hate here, buddy. Just pointing out the obvious attempts to construct moral justifications for murder of people of one particular style of religion, eg, Christians, in this thread. I'm rather impartial about it, frankly. Sure, the people on the island are savages. It's quite interesting that the knuckle-dragging moronic posters here who defend and condone this murder have no facts.

None. For all they know, this guy could have been killed for raping the island's chief's wife.

But they PRESUME his murder was JUSTIFIED and CAUSED BY annoying evangelical actions.

But there is zero evidence such actions occurred.

Given the above analysis, let me repeat my conclusion.

the knuckle-dragging moronic posters here who defend and condone this murder have no facts.

[amicrypto]

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My condolences are with the deceased but I don't think that the Sentinelese were at fault.

Go ahead and condone murder.

I think you have messed up the entire case. We know that back in pre-historic times humans lived in jungles in tribes and had a leader who controlled the tribe. All the other males used to work under him and the tribe functioned. If any tribe wanted to takeover some other tribe they used to fight, kill and takeover. We don't call it murder but "Survival of the Fittest". But gradually with time we formed the concept of society, rule and law which led to shaping of the modern world.

Well, in the Sentinelese Island they were not able to evolve in their societal structure the way we did. So, they don't have the concept of murder and justice as we do. I am not justifying murder but all I am saying is that the Sentinelese don't see the world the way we do and their fear and attack is justified. Video on Sentinel Island (Earliest Expedition by Indian Government

[guybrushthreepwood]

Definitely a martyr for stupidity. Can't say I'm happy to see him die because I'm not a psychopath but they really don't need his backwards religion and pomposity and he paid the price for that.

Beside everything, they have been isolated for so long that going in there now, brings very high risk to wipe the island clean with some relatively common deases like a seasonal flu.

Wipe the island clean?

Sounds interesting. I'm having some trouble getting sympathetic to these savages. Bows and arrows and solving problems by killing people.

Maybe a nice resort could go there?

They have bows. 'Civilized' people use guns. What's the difference? The outcome is still the same: death. I think they probably just don't want their island to turn into a mini-America.

It actually all revolves around whether that island makes their own laws and whether the people there have the right to murder outsiders coming in. It's that simple.

Don't all countries get to make their own laws and protect their boarders -- some more militantly than others -- but try fly a plane into American airspace and see how long it takes before it's vaporized. America has just been tear-gassing Mexicans at the border so let's not pretend that's any more civilized.

[Spendulus]

Definitely a martyr for stupidity....

....America has just been tear-gassing Mexicans at the border so let's not pretend that's any more civilized.

Why not? Don't be a moron.

Tear gassing is obviously more civilized. It's not murdering people.

[Flying Hellfish]

I think they probably just don't want their island to turn into a mini-America.

I really doubt they even know what America is but I take your point and agree I think they just want to be left the fuck alone.  

It's real simple, leave them alone and they will leave us alone, sounds pretty fucking good and simple to me and it's been working just fine for the last few thousand years...

[guybrushthreepwood]

Definitely a martyr for stupidity....

....America has just been tear-gassing Mexicans at the border so let's not pretend that's any more civilized.

Why not? Don't be a moron.

Tear gassing is obviously more civilized. It's not murdering people.

Maybe get on a boat and try persuade them it's more civilized to use teargas then. Let us know how you get on.

I think they probably just don't want their island to turn into a mini-America.

I really doubt they even know what America is but I take your point and agree I think they just want to be left the fuck alone.

I was just being facetious  .

It's real simple, leave them alone and they will leave us alone, sounds pretty fucking good and simple to me and it's been working just fine for the last few thousand years...

But it could be so much better with Christianity... and shopping malls... and burgers... and guns!

[Spendulus]

Definitely a martyr for stupidity....

....America has just been tear-gassing Mexicans at the border so let's not pretend that's any more civilized.

Why not? Don't be a moron.

Tear gassing is obviously more civilized. It's not murdering people.

Maybe get on a boat and try persuade them it's more civilized to use teargas then. Let us know how you get on.

But it could be so much better with Christianity... and shopping malls... and burgers... and guns!

Indeed. Not to mention American Indian run casinos, New Zealand wealthy natives, Hawaii natives who are doing pretty good with their tourist business, and many others.

Yes, it could definitely be better. Many people are alive only because it's illegal to shoot them. And this really is a thread in which Left oriented individuals are condoning murder, because THEY PRESUMED he was an annoying Christian.

[Flying Hellfish]

And this really is a thread in which Left oriented individuals are condoning murder, because THEY PRESUMED he was an annoying Christian.

I don't care if he was there to spread religion, atheism, communism, capitalism, love, herpes or ANY other agenda good or bad.  ALL people should just leave them alone.  It isn't complicated, they don't want us and they have the right to be left alone, but don't let me stop you from going there!  Make a go fund me page maybe we can raise enough funds to send you there for free!

[suchmoon]

Make a go fund me page maybe we can raise enough funds to send you there for free!

I think you got that backwards. Spendulus should pay us dividends from his future tourism&casino business on North Sentinel. Tremendous opportunity that wouldn't exist if not for our support and encouragement.

[bluefirecorp_]

Make a go fund me page maybe we can raise enough funds to send you there for free!

I think you got that backwards. Spendulus should pay us dividends from his future tourism&casino business on North Sentinel. Tremendous opportunity that wouldn't exist if not for our support and encouragement.

I'm sure he'll be able to convince these people of converting to these profitable, capitalist ways peacefully without having to murder most of them; need to keep a few alive to be workers for SpeduCasino and Resort.

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I don't really get what there's even to discuss about this particular issue.

The guy knew the Indian law (place from which he travelled), violated said law.

The guy also knew the dangers of going and had requests assuming those dangers would occur.

If I were a theist that believed in "hell for suicide"; I guess "would be go to hell" the same way a person who commits "suicide by cop" does? Overall there's not really to discuss.

If someone were to try to walk into a secured site and was killed would we be talking about it here like we're talking about this?

I'm sure people have gone a little bit too far in Nevada trying to check out area 51 and got killed for doing that.

Restricted areas exist in this world; I'm not fond of restricted areas myself.

But like why is society still talking about this? There's so much going on in the world...

[Spendulus]

And this really is a thread in which Left oriented individuals are condoning murder, because THEY PRESUMED he was an annoying Christian.

I don't care if he was there to spread religion, atheism, communism, capitalism, love, herpes or ANY other agenda good or bad.  ALL people should just leave them alone.  It isn't complicated, they don't want us and they have the right to be left alone, but don't let me stop you from going there!  Make a go fund me page maybe we can raise enough funds to send you there for free!

I'm sure you'd like to do that, but then you are the one in this case outright, boldly arguing for murdering Christians. Hello, ISIS.

However, were I to go there, I'd send little robot drone boats to the shore, each with an ice chest and cold beer. Pretty soon we'd be talking. Wouldn't bother me if it was a year later, though. Then I'd tell them a tale about the Canadian that wanted to cut off their beer supply.

You see, you just plain are not on these good peoples' wavelength.

[bayu7adi]

According to his journal and emails, it's very clear that he was on a suicide mission due to his religious beliefs.

can he be called a radical?
in some cases Muslim suicide bombings say that the person who blew himself up with the bomb was radical
but, that way can the missionary be said to be radical because he wants to die because of religious beliefs?

[ATMD]

I don't think so, he has no interest in killing anyone in the name of God.

[af_newbie]

According to his journal and emails, it's very clear that he was on a suicide mission due to his religious beliefs.

can he be called a radical?
in some cases Muslim suicide bombings say that the person who blew himself up with the bomb was radical
but, that way can the missionary be said to be radical because he wants to die because of religious beliefs?

I don't think so, he has no interest in killing anyone in the name of God.

Well, we don't know that.  The guy was pretty much crazy to travel there to do what exactly?  Talk to people about Jesus?

Does this sound rational to you?  The guy was a lunatic, IMHO.  Who knows what his true intentions were?
Maybe he was a pedophile looking for his next fix.

This island was pretty isolated, and the Indian government tried to make contact with them in the past.  The people on the island were hostile to any intruders.  This was a known fact.

[bones261]

      Well, I read the Wikipedia article on these people for what it's worth. It appears that this missionary should have brought aluminum pots rather than fish. It is the only gift that these tribesman are known to have accepted. Also, not sure how this guy was supposed to communicate with these people when no other people on Earth appear to speak their language and the languages appears unrelated to any nearby languages. I'm also unsure why the fisherman that brought him there were informed to come back for him in two days. Did he really expect to effectively proselytize these people in two days? Or was he going to keep coming back and hope he can somehow learn their language through several trips?
     Also, I am unsure why people on the right who would probably defend the castle doctrine seem to think these primitive people don't have the right to defend their property against invaders. It's abundantly clear this island is their property, no intruders allowed!

[ATMD]

I don't think so, he has no interest in killing anyone in the name of God.

Well, we don't know that.  The guy was pretty much crazy to travel there to do what exactly?  Talk to people about Jesus?

Does this sound rational to you?  The guy was a lunatic, IMHO.  Who knows what his true intentions were?
Maybe he was a pedophile looking for his next fix.

This island was pretty isolated, and the Indian government tried to make contact with them in the past.  The people on the island were hostile to any intruders.  This was a known fact.

I don't know his intentions, maybe he hoped to be the first man ever in history to successfully make peace with the Sentinelese. It would make big news for sure, maybe that was what motivated him.

[Spendulus]

According to his journal and emails, it's very clear that he was on a suicide mission due to his religious beliefs.

can he be called a radical?
in some cases Muslim suicide bombings say that the person who blew himself up with the bomb was radical
but, that way can the missionary be said to be radical because he wants to die because of religious beliefs?

I don't think so, he has no interest in killing anyone in the name of God.

Well, we don't know that.  ....

That's right. You don't know anything. He may have been killed because he murdered someone.

Or he may have been killed by an arrow by mistake. Etc. Etc.

Total lack of factual information.

[amishmanish]

No hate here, buddy. Just pointing out the obvious attempts to construct moral justifications for murder of people of one particular style of religion, eg, Christians, in this thread.....

... the knuckle-dragging moronic posters here who defend and condone this murder have no facts.

It wasn't murder. The only fact we can accept is that John ended up dead because he wasn't supposed to be there..Just like people aren't supposed to fall into tiger cages and Moms aren't supposed to let toddlers wander off into Gorilla enclosures.

There can be no judgement on whether it was right/ wrong for the sentinelese to kill him. These people fire off arrows as a force of habit (Look at the orange undies guys aiming his bow at a fucking helicopter!!). It shouldn't be viewed as anti-christian to say that he died for the wrong reasons. It also shouldn't be viewed as the Sentinelese' fault to have killed him, which seemed to be the case from your initial replies.