no 1 reason why the bulls are starting real soon!!!

[Stedsm]

The stock market crashing is the number 1 sign of a crypto bull run, it's coming!!! also, stocks is pumped through fiat money. In times like this, people will look for gold, silver and even crypto!

and look at the short altcoins boom, and also because people are running away from stocks right now!! this is a good sign that the sec will approve the ETF and bakkt will be launched, to drive BTC to a massive ATH.

Unless BTC shows any real signs of recovery instead of these small pumps and dumps for the investors to grow their BTC and fist side-by-side through Bitmex, I don't really see why BTC would get away over a new ATH.

Think about it guys, why would they launch ETF and bakkt in a bear market? why SEC keeps delaying etf when they can just reject it straightaway? they know it will have no effect on the price when the market is still bearish and no 1 is buying btc, now with this stock market crash will be perfect time for them to launch!! expect btc to go to the moon!!

You're going towards the wrong path, baby! BTC doesn't really need SEC, SEC needs BTC and it'll be proven once they start sending BTC to sky-high levels immediately after approval of the things will be in action. Bear market is what they created themselves, they created opportunities for themselves as well as their so-called institutional investors to be lucky enough to snatch away our BTC from us at dirt-cheap rates.

i dont think btc will even shoot past 20k in a bear market even with an ETF if sec was to approve it back then. The market has to be bullish first!
it's no coincidence that this stock market crash lines up perfectly with the last deadline for ETF, it's a heavily manipulated market!

Let's really "hope" it happens and that, we achieve it the way you told us.

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[andrei56]

If you keep thinking the bull market will begin soon you will be disappointed, the bull market will take at least one more year to appear and if you keep exhausting yourself thinking it will appear soon you could sell your coins in desperation and that is something you do not want to do since the whales are manipulating the market to try to make all the weak hands to get out of the market.

[jonaire99]

There is still no sign for bullrun even there are already uptrends in the price of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. These uptrends are mostly on short term and is always followed by dump or decline so it means factors that will trigger a bullrun are still not there. I think the price of cryptocurrencies will go up or down whatever the situation in the stock market.

[Jating]

There is still no sign for bullrun even there are already uptrends in the price of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. These uptrends are mostly on short term and is always followed by dump or decline so it means factors that will trigger a bullrun are still not there. I think the price of cryptocurrencies will go up or down whatever the situation in the stock market.

Right, the bulls is still nowhere to be found. Although we see some sign of the price spike in recent days, it's not enough to push it even further resulting into another dump in the last 24 hours.

So as much as we wanted to see the bulls forming around, it's not the case because the bears is too strong at this point and it seems that they're not exhausted, although they are weakening, we might see them pull one dramatic scenario wherein bitcoin will go down below $3K, before we can finally see the bulls wrestle the market from them.

[bitcoin31]

What ever the reason of that the important with that is we need to push the market to start bull run. But how we can do that, if we buy more cryptocoins we can do that. But this year 2019 mostly the bull run starts because we can see more investing again and the price of the coins increasing slightly and if we work on that we can see the bull run start this month and only few months only the market fully recover and we can have more profit to get because we are united to wait and to invest again to cryptocurrency.

[gabmen]

There is still no sign for bullrun even there are already uptrends in the price of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. These uptrends are mostly on short term and is always followed by dump or decline so it means factors that will trigger a bullrun are still not there. I think the price of cryptocurrencies will go up or down whatever the situation in the stock market.

Right, the bulls is still nowhere to be found. Although we see some sign of the price spike in recent days, it's not enough to push it even further resulting into another dump in the last 24 hours.

So as much as we wanted to see the bulls forming around, it's not the case because the bears is too strong at this point and it seems that they're not exhausted, although they are weakening, we might see them pull one dramatic scenario wherein bitcoin will go down below $3K, before we can finally see the bulls wrestle the market from them.

Yeah, if you've been in this market for some time now, you'll know that a simple hike of a few hundred dollars isn't an indication of a bull run at all. Nope. A small price rise can have a corresponding correction that could drag the price lower.

[omonuyak]

The stock market crash affected the cryptocurrencies market negatively but that is not the number one reason why cryptocurrencies market crash.  Many investors has to pull out their investments because of the way the market is been manipulated and scamming activities.  Icos scammers are the one that bring the cryptocurrencies market down and not the stock market.

[thecodebear]

Bull market likely ain't happening anytime soon. I expect it to begin at some point in the second half of this year, and think the price is unlikely to hit 5 digits this year - though probably in early 2020.

Don't expect a bull market to happen anytime. Sure Bitcoin is bottoming out and has been the past two months (and well had been for two months prior to that before the BCH split and hash war played havoc with the whole crypto market).

Stock market going down may or may not affect crypto. I'm still unsure if it will have a negative, positive, or no strong effect. I could see it being either one. Honestly I kinda of think it won't have that strong of an effect on crypto because the people who are of the mindset where they know Bitcoin is a good investment are gonna have already bought at these low prices, there is no reason to hold on to teetering stocks when bitcoin is bottoming. The people who will sell later on in the stock bear market over the next year or two will probably just go into bonds or cash because if they weren't smart enough to get out of the stock market yet and into a bottomed out bitcoin they probably still won't be smart enough in the near future. Basically I think your average investor is still to skeptical of Bitcoin (or doesn't even know about it yet) to buy in on the current cycle. They won't buy in until Bitcoin is going crazy again in like two years shooting towards 6 digits.

BAKKT has been delayed due to still waiting on regulatory approval, ETF is unlikely to be approved in February. Wall St interest in Bitcoin is still pretty tepid I'd say, and will likely take many months to really build up into making a significant impact on the price, especially since they go through OTC markets anyways so supply in those will have to start getting thin from big buys before the OTC market has to start pulling from exchanges and thereby directly affecting the price.

Normal retail investors area clearly still unsure if the price will sink more or go up soon, and until a majority of sellers in the market think it is going to go up they are gonna keep selling in the 3000/4000 price range. There's plenty of volume and buying happening, but the seller market still thinks Bitcoin could go down so until they become convinced they can sell for much higher soon the bull market won't start. You see plenty of people saying Bitcoin will go down under 3000 or 2000, which tells you there are plenty of people happy to sell under 4000 or so and that will probably be the case for a while longer.

But thats great, cuz for those of you using this time to accumulate it means you likely have a bunch of months to buy super cheap <$4000 Bitcoin.

[b3j0]

It seems like now the bulls are sleeping for quite a long time, I predict he will wake up by the end of 2019 or early 2020. It is better now that we don't expect too much to see bulls, because he is still sleeping very soundly.

[figmentofmyass]

Stock market going down may or may not affect crypto. I'm still unsure if it will have a negative, positive, or no strong effect.

the long term charts are highly correlated, but the stock market falling shouldn't directly affect crypto. the question is whether a larger financial crisis or depression is on the horizon. that would affect all markets, including stocks and crypto.

it's mainly equities and crude oil that have been hit hardest and both have staged solid recoveries (or at least the beginnings on one). the current dip in stocks hasn't exactly spread to other markets so i'm inclined to reject the idea that a major financial crisis is about to hit. the economic numbers don't support the idea of a crash either (yet anyway).

so i'm thinking 2019 will probably be a pretty sideways (but volatile) year for both stocks and bitcoin.

[mirakal]

It seems like now the bulls are sleeping for quite a long time, I predict he will wake up by the end of 2019 or early 2020.

If there's no bull run in the first half of the year, I will think it's not gonna happen anymore this year.
One year is enough, we've seen a lot of correction under that span of time, some people even panic and sold their holding, some quit and just forget crypto, I don't what will happen more if this market will not change its direction.

It is better now that we don't expect too much to see bulls, because he is still sleeping very soundly.

We need the spirit of optimism, as an investors, profit is what we are after of, if that will come, it will never make us happy with investing.
I would like to think it's a still sleeping but I'm hoping when it wakes up, it will bring chaos to the market, not that people are dumping but people get FOMO.

[Baofeng]

What ever the reason of that the important with that is we need to push the market to start bull run. But how we can do that, if we buy more cryptocoins we can do that. But this year 2019 mostly the bull run starts because we can see more investing again and the price of the coins increasing slightly and if we work on that we can see the bull run start this month and only few months only the market fully recover and we can have more profit to get because we are united to wait and to invest again to cryptocurrency.

As much as I like your idea, like buying more cryptocoins, it cannot happen because investors are waiting for a positives news. However, it's not coming, and on the contrary another negatives news arrived today when another crypto exchange was hacked. So this is another sad day for all crypto enthusiast because such news might drag the market down again.

[Barbut]

What ever the reason of that the important with that is we need to push the market to start bull run. But how we can do that, if we buy more cryptocoins we can do that. But this year 2019 mostly the bull run starts because we can see more investing again and the price of the coins increasing slightly and if we work on that we can see the bull run start this month and only few months only the market fully recover and we can have more profit to get because we are united to wait and to invest again to cryptocurrency.

As much as I like your idea, like buying more cryptocoins, it cannot happen because investors are waiting for a positives news. However, it's not coming, and on the contrary another negatives news arrived today when another crypto exchange was hacked. So this is another sad day for all crypto enthusiast because such news might drag the market down again.

Cryptopia hack is not a bad news for bitcoin or any coin, its a bad news for people who traded there, even worse its bad news for people who hold coins on cryptopia exchange, like here on forum we didn`t have enough warning topics and comments about holding coins on any exchange. Now its happen again and now we are in same situation again.
Anyway cryptopia exchange is located in New Zeland, they sure have some laws about it and police is involved too, they will found out was it a hack or inside job. Many worse hacks happened before, this will not hurt crypto in general.

[deisik]

so i'm thinking 2019 will probably be a pretty sideways (but volatile) year for both stocks and bitcoin

Personally, I don't mind a bit of healthy volatility

I mean like it was in early 2018 and before, when massive corrections and downfalls were quickly followed by powerful rebounds and breakouts. But today it seems a bit different (or maybe not a bit). What we see now is price stagnating most of the time, then it suddenly crashes like 50% and again enters a sideways mode

I wouldn't call that boring like what others are thinking of this phenomenon, but it is not what we saw in the past. All in all, it wouldn't be a big deal if Bitcoin has found a true bottom but we can know it only in retrospect. So there is no guarantee or knowing that it won't suddenly crash again in the coming days or months and then move to sleep

[thecodebear]

Stock market going down may or may not affect crypto. I'm still unsure if it will have a negative, positive, or no strong effect.

the long term charts are highly correlated, but the stock market falling shouldn't directly affect crypto. the question is whether a larger financial crisis or depression is on the horizon. that would affect all markets, including stocks and crypto.

it's mainly equities and crude oil that have been hit hardest and both have staged solid recoveries (or at least the beginnings on one). the current dip in stocks hasn't exactly spread to other markets so i'm inclined to reject the idea that a major financial crisis is about to hit. the economic numbers don't support the idea of a crash either (yet anyway).

so i'm thinking 2019 will probably be a pretty sideways (but volatile) year for both stocks and bitcoin.

I certainly wouldn't say the long term charts say they are highly correlated. I think if anything they show there is no correlation, and that bitcoin's market cycle has had nothing at all to do with the stock market cycle, though that could change as bitcoin becomes larger and larger and therefore is affecting by the movings of larger and larger entities in the global financial system. Unless you are just saying they've both been in decade long bull runs which isn't really fair to make any assessment of the correlation then.

While the US economy hasn't turned yet the stock market has and bond yields are turning and several other things. Not to mention that US stocks and economy are massively propped up respectively due to the giant tax giveaway to corporations that got investors all excited leading up to it in 2017 (which immediately after it passed the markets had zero reason to go up anymore) and the hundreds of billions of dollars annually of extra deficit spending the US has done over the past two years. At some point that house of cards is gonna fall back to reality and thats when we get real negative movement, not just the 20% fall the markets have seen recently, which is only the beginning or the turnaround.

Anyway, I think Bitcoin will be sideways and then upwards later in the year, while stocks will probably continue to be very volatile and slightly somewhat downward as I don't think the economy will start going down until 2020 probably, which is when we'll really start to see some falling stock markets. Basically, I wouldn't touch stocks for a couple years, and would be (and am!) accumulating as much bitcoin as possible right now to sell on the next boom which hopefully occurs while stocks are still recovering to hit both upswings in a row!

[figmentofmyass]

Stock market going down may or may not affect crypto. I'm still unsure if it will have a negative, positive, or no strong effect.

the long term charts are highly correlated, but the stock market falling shouldn't directly affect crypto. the question is whether a larger financial crisis or depression is on the horizon. that would affect all markets, including stocks and crypto.

it's mainly equities and crude oil that have been hit hardest and both have staged solid recoveries (or at least the beginnings on one). the current dip in stocks hasn't exactly spread to other markets so i'm inclined to reject the idea that a major financial crisis is about to hit. the economic numbers don't support the idea of a crash either (yet anyway).

so i'm thinking 2019 will probably be a pretty sideways (but volatile) year for both stocks and bitcoin.

I certainly wouldn't say the long term charts say they are highly correlated. I think if anything they show there is no correlation, and that bitcoin's market cycle has had nothing at all to do with the stock market cycle, though that could change as bitcoin becomes larger and larger and therefore is affecting by the movings of larger and larger entities in the global financial system. Unless you are just saying they've both been in decade long bull runs which isn't really fair to make any assessment of the correlation then

i disagree. it's fair to observe a correlation as a correlation until strong divergences appear that suggest otherwise. i think it's rather unfair to completely ignore that bitcoin and equities have been rising together for the last decade (and even experienced similar corrective cycles in 2011, 2015, and 2018).

if you ignore this correlation entirely, you won't stop to consider whether there are causal factors that affect both markets (like a global recession). it's certainly possible that broad risk-on/risk-off cycles affect the bitcoin market, particularly because it's so speculative. why do you think otherwise?

[Baofeng]

What ever the reason of that the important with that is we need to push the market to start bull run. But how we can do that, if we buy more cryptocoins we can do that. But this year 2019 mostly the bull run starts because we can see more investing again and the price of the coins increasing slightly and if we work on that we can see the bull run start this month and only few months only the market fully recover and we can have more profit to get because we are united to wait and to invest again to cryptocurrency.

As much as I like your idea, like buying more cryptocoins, it cannot happen because investors are waiting for a positives news. However, it's not coming, and on the contrary another negatives news arrived today when another crypto exchange was hacked. So this is another sad day for all crypto enthusiast because such news might drag the market down again.

Cryptopia hack is not a bad news for bitcoin or any coin, its a bad news for people who traded there, even worse its bad news for people who hold coins on cryptopia exchange, like here on forum we didn`t have enough warning topics and comments about holding coins on any exchange. Now its happen again and now we are in same situation again.
Anyway cryptopia exchange is located in New Zeland, they sure have some laws about it and police is involved too, they will found out was it a hack or inside job. Many worse hacks happened before, this will not hurt crypto in general.

It could be but we all know that the market reacts to every news whether it's positive or negative. It does't make any difference if it's a exchange in New Zealand or somewhere in Africa. Crypto is global and the effect could really be felt around the globe. Anyways, it will settle down for sure, but we're back to square one again and will try to break that $4K barrier in the next coming weeks.

[BlackPanda]

What ever the reason of that the important with that is we need to push the market to start bull run. But how we can do that, if we buy more cryptocoins we can do that. But this year 2019 mostly the bull run starts because we can see more investing again and the price of the coins increasing slightly and if we work on that we can see the bull run start this month and only few months only the market fully recover and we can have more profit to get because we are united to wait and to invest again to cryptocurrency.

As much as I like your idea, like buying more cryptocoins, it cannot happen because investors are waiting for a positives news. However, it's not coming, and on the contrary another negatives news arrived today when another crypto exchange was hacked. So this is another sad day for all crypto enthusiast because such news might drag the market down again.

The situation is not easily predictable, sometimes many unexpected events. This is why we must be able to perceive all situations that occur, the crypto world has a high level of risk. When we decide to invest in the crypto world, we have the courage to accept all the risks that occur. The crypto world sometimes gives us beautiful dreams and sometimes also gives nightmares.

[deisik]

Stock market going down may or may not affect crypto. I'm still unsure if it will have a negative, positive, or no strong effect.

the long term charts are highly correlated, but the stock market falling shouldn't directly affect crypto. the question is whether a larger financial crisis or depression is on the horizon. that would affect all markets, including stocks and crypto.

it's mainly equities and crude oil that have been hit hardest and both have staged solid recoveries (or at least the beginnings on one). the current dip in stocks hasn't exactly spread to other markets so i'm inclined to reject the idea that a major financial crisis is about to hit. the economic numbers don't support the idea of a crash either (yet anyway).

so i'm thinking 2019 will probably be a pretty sideways (but volatile) year for both stocks and bitcoin.

I certainly wouldn't say the long term charts say they are highly correlated. I think if anything they show there is no correlation, and that bitcoin's market cycle has had nothing at all to do with the stock market cycle, though that could change as bitcoin becomes larger and larger and therefore is affecting by the movings of larger and larger entities in the global financial system. Unless you are just saying they've both been in decade long bull runs which isn't really fair to make any assessment of the correlation then

i disagree. it's fair to observe a correlation as a correlation until strong divergences appear that suggest otherwise. i think it's rather unfair to completely ignore that bitcoin and equities have been rising together for the last decade (and even experienced similar corrective cycles in 2011, 2015, and 2018)

I happen to disagree with you too

Though not on technical grounds, of course. Indeed, if two indicators go up and down together, you will see a lot of correlation. And whether there is a causal link between them (either direct or via an independent factor not yet accounted for) is utterly irrelevant simply because having a high enough absolute value of the correlation coefficient will suffice for two factors to be correlated, statistically speaking

With that said, though, we shouldn't discard the real forces driving both markets, and these may be perfectly "uncorrelated". For example, the Bitcoin price surge of 2015-2017 was caused entirely by hype as its real adoption was pathetic to justify such rise. But can you say the same about equities markets? Well, their rise may be due to hype as well, at least to a certain degree, but is it the same variety of hype that caused Bitcoin prices to soar?

[omonuyak]

I don't think bull market is going to start very soon due to what happened last month.  Bitcoin falling like never before and we hope things change in the first quarter of this year.  January has been the uncertainty month and we should start to expect the bullish market from February.