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February 16, 2019, 12:46:37 PM
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I've grown tired of the btc drama and decided to just let it move where it wants. I'll just be flexible lol.

That's pretty understandable with so many TA charts floating through social media.

It's also impossible to read any crypto related news outlet without being subjected to some random hillbilly TA. I think the main problem isn't so much all these predictions, but the desperation of holding a bag full of expensive coins people want to see pump for once. For most people the crypto market is their first investment sort of experience, so they literally have no clue what's happening here.

In the end, if you're not here to trade, or use Bitcoin, or do whatever else with your time to earn Bitcoin, your stay in the crypto market is boring and a waste of time. There just isn't a way to put it differently.
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February 17, 2019, 04:46:17 AM
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Why are you guys waiting for the bitcoin to go down? If you can actually go now and invest, learn how to trade and that's enough. Blockchain is booming and these days you will see that it will grow. It seems pretty good TA but I didn't convince that there's a bottomed and I think we already reached that. Good job for the analysis and it is very informative, as well.
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February 17, 2019, 04:52:27 AM
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Why are you guys waiting for the bitcoin to go down? If you can actually go now and invest, learn how to trade and that's enough.

historically whenever bitcoin enters a certain trend that lasts a long time, people get stuck in that trend even if it comes to an end. right now you may not see the end of bear market so i will give you another example. the bull market in 2017. when it lasted a long time, a lot of people got stuck in it to the point where they didn't want to accept the end of it and were still looking for a new ATH. like Tom Lee or Mcafee insisting on ATH by the end of 2018. now we have the same thing  but in reverse where people want a new ATL and can't accept the reversal and won't until price is at least 50% higher than current price.

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February 17, 2019, 06:36:50 AM
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Why are you guys waiting for the bitcoin to go down? If you can actually go now and invest, learn how to trade and that's enough. Blockchain is booming and these days you will see that it will grow. It seems pretty good TA but I didn't convince that there's a bottomed and I think we already reached that. Good job for the analysis and it is very informative, as well.

    We all learned here that the best time for buying is bottom. Now everyone wish to buy when Bitcoin hit`s the bottom.
I don`t bother with trading, I don`t bother with waiting bottom. I buy when I can cause I believe in this market in long-term.
Not all crypto-currencies will rise, so I`m careful when I invest. I choose, I buy and I wait. It`s my long-term plan.



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February 17, 2019, 08:03:21 AM
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  We all learned here that the best time for buying is bottom. Now everyone wish to buy when Bitcoin hit`s the bottom.
I don`t bother with trading, I don`t bother with waiting bottom. I buy when I can cause I believe in this market in long-term.
Not all crypto-currencies will rise, so I`m careful when I invest. I choose, I buy and I wait. It`s my long-term plan.
That's the reason why the OP has a Technical Analysis to guide us and have an idea when a possible time of the bottom line to buy. Because investing needs a perfect time to buy trusted coins and in my own, I don't trust altcoins, I give priority on Bitcoin investment and followed by top 5 altcoins in long term purposes. As far as I know, altcoins price were swinging up when the Bitcoin price up.
Anyone of us has a perspective view on the market analysis so if what your's I do respect.

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February 17, 2019, 03:52:03 PM
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Why are you guys waiting for the bitcoin to go down? If you can actually go now and invest, learn how to trade and that's enough. Blockchain is booming and these days you will see that it will grow. It seems pretty good TA but I didn't convince that there's a bottomed and I think we already reached that. Good job for the analysis and it is very informative, as well.

    We all learned here that the best time for buying is bottom. Now everyone wish to buy when Bitcoin hit`s the bottom.
I don`t bother with trading, I don`t bother with waiting bottom. I buy when I can cause I believe in this market in long-term.
Not all crypto-currencies will rise, so I`m careful when I invest. I choose, I buy and I wait. It`s my long-term plan.

It's just right not to bother with waiting for the bottom because we wouldn't know when that will come. I agree with your strategy of buying whenever you can at this stage since i believe there's little room for a decline anymore. It's just important that people know how to manage the risk they'll take.

 
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February 17, 2019, 04:06:20 PM
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Why are you guys waiting for the bitcoin to go down? If you can actually go now and invest, learn how to trade and that's enough. Blockchain is booming and these days you will see that it will grow. It seems pretty good TA but I didn't convince that there's a bottomed and I think we already reached that. Good job for the analysis and it is very informative, as well.

    We all learned here that the best time for buying is bottom. Now everyone wish to buy when Bitcoin hit`s the bottom.
I don`t bother with trading, I don`t bother with waiting bottom. I buy when I can cause I believe in this market in long-term.
Not all crypto-currencies will rise, so I`m careful when I invest. I choose, I buy and I wait. It`s my long-term plan.

It's just right not to bother with waiting for the bottom because we wouldn't know when that will come. I agree with your strategy of buying whenever you can at this stage since i believe there's little room for a decline anymore. It's just important that people know how to manage the risk they'll take.
I think no matter how hard you try to predict the cryptocurrency price movements at the exchange place, it will never be 100% accurate, surely prices will have different movements and the risk is that you can get stuck at expensive prices or you can get a lot of profit if you are lucky .
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February 17, 2019, 05:04:39 PM
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1- 50 Moving Average on the monthly chart.



the chart you looking at is the BLX, it has the longest data you can possibly find, the first candle goes to first of July 2010.

looking at the chart, we can clearly see that the 50 MA was never closed below and price did have a wick going under but not a single monthly close below.

Interesting observation. So a double bottom touching the 50 MA can be awaited. Since adoption isn't exactly in an ever accellerating state I would try a 55 MA or something, longer time periodes.

7- The lack of support below this level.


The bulls know for sure this support is a do or die, as we certainly have no sort of support below this until 900-1100$ , with only a minor weak support that has been tested only once, technically that support line is as good as not there, therefore the need for defending this area and to never have a weekly candle close below 2900 is very important for the bulls.

This is psychology, not TA. If the bulls can be shaken out by a drop below support, well what to say. If it can, it will just happen like that. "Capitulation" beeing the key.

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URL of BLX charts?

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This is psychology, not TA.

TA is psychology , if it was math, it would work all the time.

URL of BLX charts?

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Not even about psychology to me, to me it is maths because its about probability not certainties.  If you know a bit of maths you could possibly improve your chances on some fairground games, with that understanding.  This possibility for TA has been there for centuries if we talk about the commodity futures, this I think predates stock trading.   If the harvest comes in well, the price of wheat or whatever would fall greatly but if crops fail then the price booms.   To say the chart or TA done on it was incorrect just because price and fundamentals moved it through resistance or support is not really right, it can be that unlikely events occur and price goes with it.

If people dont like TA then its fair enough, it never offers a sure thing but a profit can be made by knowing when a trend is broken and the action isnt a blip but likely to continue.   Like we had a bit of spike today up and then back down again, it seems to be about the 50 day moving average.   Will it close above that, would be more interesting to see this happening and its been stuck to it like a fly on the ceiling for over a week now.

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February 18, 2019, 09:45:58 AM
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Not even about psychology to me, to me it is maths because its about probability not certainties.  If you know a bit of maths you could possibly improve your chances on some fairground games, with that understanding.

Sure but these are separate things. Understanding probability is crucial to being a successful trader, but IMO it really helps to understand the market psychology underlying price moves too. It puts everything into context and keeps one patient enough to wait for the right trading conditions. Market psychology tends to repeat. It's cyclical in nature, which can be exploited as a trader.

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February 18, 2019, 10:41:16 AM
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Bitcoin has bottomed the value, and now the travel towards the top has begun. All have been sitting tight for that for over a year now man. It might have officially bottomed out or it might at present take a dive, it'll be hard to know even with the most productive, I've become sick of the btc dramatization and chose to simply give it a chance to move where it needs. I'll simply be adaptable lol.

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February 18, 2019, 11:35:43 AM
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Bitcoin has bottomed the value, and now the travel towards the top has begun. All have been sitting tight for that for over a year now man. It might have officially bottomed out or it might at present take a dive, it'll be hard to know even with the most productive, I've become sick of the btc dramatization and chose to simply give it a chance to move where it needs. I'll simply be adaptable lol.
Looking at bitcoin and eth now, i think the bottomed of the market was already hit and its time now to slowly recover from a big loss. This kind of dramatic trend traumatized many newbies, i hope they will comeback and make good investment.

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February 18, 2019, 03:02:52 PM
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Are we out already? I see the price is going to 4k.

Or is it another suckers rally?
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February 18, 2019, 04:08:23 PM
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Not even about psychology to me, to me it is maths because its about probability not certainties.  If you know a bit of maths you could possibly improve your chances on some fairground games, with that understanding.  This possibility for TA has been there for centuries if we talk about the commodity futures, this I think predates stock trading.

Closer approaching numbers than opinions, so more math than psychology. Fibonacci was no psychologist, but a mathematician. You can always paint from scratch coming to reproduceable conclusions.

However. What about these Fibonacci Tools that I seldom see used for BTC? What about Fibonacci Arcs? What makes me wounder the most ist why are Fibonacci Arcs never shown anywhere inside this forum.
The situation we got today equals an impact crater surface so how to apply an Arc for this short term recovery?



My mood: Still bearish. Just a spring season recovery seems possible. Overall, that's fundamental analysis ... miners cannot sell below production costs, so have to hodl. This situation cannot last forever.
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February 19, 2019, 02:54:12 AM
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Are we out already? I see the price is going to 4k.

Or is it another suckers rally?

sucker's rally. looks to me like wave C in a typical ABC pattern.

there's still lots of upside left though. we've only just seen the first leg up and will probably pull back soon. anyone looking to exit shorts or open longs should seriously think about doing so on the next pullback.

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February 19, 2019, 03:35:51 PM
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Why are you guys waiting for the bitcoin to go down? If you can actually go now and invest, learn how to trade and that's enough. Blockchain is booming and these days you will see that it will grow. It seems pretty good TA but I didn't convince that there's a bottomed and I think we already reached that. Good job for the analysis and it is very informative, as well.
Although everyone know that bitcoin is already trading in its lowest price and there are very low chances that bitcoin price will come down any more, but still they feel reluctant for investment and waiting for some more time in fact they are waiting some good news which can surely boost the bitcoin price and I am sure that once bitcoin price will start increasing people will surely join the market and which will give a very good support to the market.

I can see the bitcoin price to bounce back to $10k in next few months.
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February 19, 2019, 11:38:05 PM
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It cant be called a suckers rally when its risen over 10% like this, thats too much to act like it was just a random blip that reversed back down immediately.   Plenty times that will happen but this time its got some legs.
Easy way to avoid that possibility or feeling is not to hold all from bottom to top and always take some profits.   Ideally the profits should exceed the original stake so you no longer able to lose anything, keep examining but I think this move is a readjustment of the range heading upto 4500 as a medium term top and then 6000 is just a maybe as a final target for this overall move.   Sometimes there is secondary booster rockets to the rally and its acts on some news or buying most werent that aware of but I'm not sure of the news exactly to match.   Most of the time it has to go round the block a few times

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February 20, 2019, 07:44:18 AM
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before you start reading. if you think TA is useless, gtfo now because this is going to be painful to read.

if you believe in TA and history repeating itself on the chart, jump in this could be very interesting.


I made a few posts regarding Bitcoin price prediction, with no bragging what so ever, i managed to sell before the collapse, re-bought very close to the last low, thanks to TA ( this line goes to those who say TA is bullshit but didn't gtfo  Grin ) > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5071613.100

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Ok b.s aside  let us first start with analyzing the big picture of bitcoin, and why do i think that we have either bottomed out or just about to bottom out.

I will be combining a few a technical views, some of which i have mentioned before.

1- 50 Moving Average on the monthly chart.



the chart you looking at is the BLX, it has the longest data you can possibly find, the first candle goes to first of July 2010.

looking at the chart, we can clearly see that the 50 MA was never closed below and price did have a wick going under but not a single monthly close below.

while the current monthly candle have not really touched the MA which is why i think we could possible have make another slightly lower low with a wick that can go to as low as 2000$ but the monthly candle has to close above 2900$ for this 50 moving average to be valid.

2- 200 Moving Average on the weekly chart



almost the same look of the monthly 50 MA, except that on this weekly chart we did actually touch the 200MA and bounce right of it, you can also see that the 200 weekly moving average has never had a single weekly close below it, price did have a wick but not a close, and this suggest that if we were going to go down again to touch the monthly 50 moving on the monthly then price will come up fast enough before a weekly close.

3- The 2800-3100 is a major support/resistance level.



this price level has acted as both support and resistance level for about 105 days during last year. for 105 days it was the only critical line on site level that traders had their buys and sells around, it held the almost 35% drop in Aug 2017 and price surged from there.

 many traders have been setting their long positions at around the area, which justifies the recent pump, as many traders think that we bottomed out and are trying to enter as early as the can.

4- The Stotcastic RSI on the monthly chart



 the Stochastic RSI is at as low as the bottom of 2014 ranging at around 0.24 , while we still need to see a cross to confirm the start of an up trend , and since is is a monthly chart so another 500-1000$ drop from the latest low won't have much of an impact on the monthly layout which indicates an over sold market that is ready to change bullish.


5- The RSI on the monthly chart




The current value of the RSI is 45 while the last bear market had a bottomed out at 44, this only indicates that there is no much room for more dips, and the bottom should be there or just around the corner.


6- The ichimoku cloud on the weekly chart

 

sorry about the dark black ground on this one.

nothing much to say about this, it's clear that every time the red cloud appears, the bear market get's closer to end.


7- The lack of support below this level.



The bulls know for sure this support is a do or die, as we certainly have no sort of support below this until 900-1100$ , with only a minor weak support that has been tested only once, technically that support line is as good as not there, therefore the need for defending this area and to never have a weekly candle close below 2900 is very important for the bulls.

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Now giving the fact that these analysis are based on large time frames, so the results will only confirm in months from now, saying we could have bottomed out does not mean you look at the hourly chart and say why are we dropping , the chart on the small time frame still looks as bearish as hell, so if you are a day trader then you should be following the current trend to place your positions, but if you are a long term trader then you should be only using any potential dip to buy so you can level up a good average price of your holdings.

it makes 0 sense to sell now if you are planning to hold for so long, i expect the price to test the 5k region and then make another leg down, this can be a good change to short and then to re enter the sub 3k as most likely every bottom has to be tested twice before making a V shape to the upside.

also keep in mind that the end of bearish trend does not mean the start of a bull run, it usually means a few months of consolidation between the bottom and the last high of the last leg down , which in our case if we were to assume 3k to be the bottom then the siedways market will be between 6k and 3k which can last from a few months to a whole a year before breaking the 6k and going on a bull run that will mark new ATHs.

long story short, buy around 3k , sell around 6k  until once of those levels are broken then you act accordingly. if you don't know how to trade,and you failed to sell at 5.7k then don't sell now, the room to the upside now is more than that to the downside.

This is not a financial advice, trade safe. follow the trend.






 



It is a great analysis you have made here and I think we were in the bottom in December 2018. Most of the technical analysis indicators point to that and it is those with long standing knowledge on the market and it behavior that will understand this.
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