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December 25, 2018, 02:18:37 PM
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Possible ban evasion?
Found this post on the Patrol page:
Hi Admin. My old Bitcointalk account is banned. I  participated in Sabiglobal facebook bounty. Spreadsheet number is 62. mistersehmuz is my old account. 1789fallenangel1789 is the new one. If it is possible pls change my account name at spreadsheet.
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Is this a ban evasion that the user states that his/her old account has been banned and this is the new?
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December 25, 2018, 02:35:53 PM
Last edit: December 25, 2018, 02:46:47 PM by Hivalley
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Definitely ban evasion in my opinion,the user openly accepts to have been banned from the forum,and his old account is of member rank while we can see that he or she is just starting off with this new account(newbie rank)
I definitely think a mod will ban this alt of his or hers as its a clear case of ban evasion which is ultimately punished by another ban

Good catch
how about someone get a new IP and create another account? No one will know about it unless they declare.
Edit: Yeah for sure it happens everyday,with users getting banned and creating new accounts to continue from where they stopped,but it was worse when the merits system hadn't been enhanced
But with the enhancement,its a little bit difficult for them to start off as they'll have to earn merits before earning,its even worse for those with far higher ranks
Who knows if the possibility of creating a different account to start off again would end if we make it 10 or 5 merits to Jr member
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December 25, 2018, 02:36:10 PM
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Possible ban evasion?
According to the rule -  yes, it is ban evasion. My question is - how about someone get a new IP and create another account? No one will know about it unless they declare.

I could not stand the lies against me anymore. I can not prove them wrong too. It's better I live in peace.
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December 25, 2018, 02:38:56 PM
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Any post made by a banned user outside an appeal thread is classified as ban evasion and such account should be banned. And any account opened by the user.
They can no longer earn from the forum.

Bounty managers should be sensitized on how to handle situations like these, maybe save the work they have done and communicate further through telegram.
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December 25, 2018, 02:46:41 PM
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Is this a ban evasion that the user states that his/her old account has been banned and this is the new?

Yes, it is:
25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]



If you get banned (temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.



Bounty managers should be sensitized on how to handle situations like these, maybe save the work they have done and communicate further through telegram.

Bounty managers don't give a shit about the forum or the rules it has. All they care about is their own salary they get for hiring nonsensical users for posting crap all around the forum or spamming social networks with the shares or posts of that particular company every single day. If they were to take care of every single thing like this, the forum would have been in a much a better situation today.
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December 25, 2018, 03:03:10 PM
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Is this a ban evasion that the user states that his/her old account has been banned and this is the new?

It sure is. Report them.

My question is - how about someone get a new IP and create another account? No one will know about it unless they declare.

No one will know even if they use the same IP. According to hilarious, admins don't enforce that and global mods don't see IPs. It's not quite that easy either - IPs can be shared etc.

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December 25, 2018, 04:11:07 PM
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if I did not read it here, I could never guess that his account was banned (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1820152)
So even if they banned, his posts history still here, and account looks normal.
Why banned account was not marked or have no any badge if they are not going to be deleted?

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December 25, 2018, 05:04:09 PM
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if I did not read it here, I could never guess that his account was banned (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1820152)
So even if they banned, his posts history still here, and account looks normal.
Why banned account was not marked or have no any badge if they are not going to be deleted?

Marking the banned profile with some badges is already suggested few times but for now the profile will looks normal unless they are newbie account which can be nuked.

Fow now we can use https://bpip.org/ to check any account banned or not easily.

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December 26, 2018, 06:12:26 AM
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Why banned account was not marked or have no any badge if they are not going to be deleted?

I could take a guess that the administrator thinks that since they can not interact in any way, then it is not much of an issue.
The issue is with members who still report posts made by them, and the mods have to look over it again, even though such profiles have been banned.
Before reporting any post for potential ban, try to check k on BPIP if the profile is still active.

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December 26, 2018, 03:45:46 PM
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It's not the first time that I see such kind of posts from the banned bounty hunters and I believe that managers have not the right to go easy on violators of the forum rules.


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note for the bounty manager's my old name baned  maxim12.  This is my new account. Please correct Spreadsheet
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December 27, 2018, 06:44:11 AM
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Hey everyone. What is wrong? Because I was banned once, cannot I Open a new account here?
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December 27, 2018, 06:53:17 AM
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Hey everyone. What is wrong? Because I was banned once, cannot I Open a new account here?

No, that's not wrong, that's actually correct. What's wrong is your inability to read the rules.

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December 27, 2018, 06:57:33 AM
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Hey everyone. What is wrong? Because I was banned once, cannot I Open a new account here?

No, that's not wrong, that's actually correct. What's wrong is your inability to read the rules.

Pls tell me if I did not declare that my old account is banned and I continue to use this account would someone give me negative trust and open this thread? And tell me again, if someone is banned, cannot he or she open an account here? I really cannot understand the logic here. I was already banned for a few stupid posts and you are trying to ban this account too because of such meaningless reason?
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December 27, 2018, 07:03:42 AM
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I see. OP means I cannot participate in my old bounty once again. Ok I remove that request.
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December 27, 2018, 07:04:11 AM
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And tell me again, if someone is banned, cannot he or she open an account here?
Lemme quote some of the important rules with your current issue. According to forum rules,

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]

It means that according to the quote below
25. If you get banned (temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.
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December 27, 2018, 07:10:30 AM
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And tell me again, if someone is banned, cannot he or she open an account here?
Lemme quote some of the important rules with your current issue. According to forum rules,

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]

It means that according to the quote below
25. If you get banned (temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.
So...


"Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed"
This rule means I cannot open a new account here forever. Is it fair?
According to these rules, I can open a new account but should not tell this anyone. Is it honest?

This is a forum, guys. These rules are similar to prison rules. Where is fun? Ok ban me once again. So everyone can relax then.
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December 27, 2018, 07:16:10 AM
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These rules are similar to prison rules. Where is fun?

Prisons don't let you back in when you get released? I learn something new every day.

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December 27, 2018, 07:19:44 AM
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This rule means I cannot open a new account here forever. Is it fair?
Yes, because it's not your forum or your rules. 

According to these rules, I can open a new account but should not tell this anyone. Is it honest?
It's not honest for you to do so, and that's not what the rules are suggesting except maybe inside your own head.

These rules are similar to prison rules.
Surely you're not exaggerating just a little here, even if Vod did come give you a conjugal visit with you on the receiving end.

Where is fun?
Go watch some porn, have a beer, smoke a joint, get away from the computer and bitcointalk in particular.

Ok ban me once again. So everyone can relax then.
I'm sure it's in the works, just like your next ban evasion is.  We're all relaxed here.  Nothing but peace and potato chips and swirling zig-zags in our collective peripheral vision.  Maybe Reddit might suit you better.

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December 27, 2018, 07:45:10 AM
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This rule means I cannot open a new account here forever. Is it fair?
Yes, because it's not your forum or your rules.  

According to these rules, I can open a new account but should not tell this anyone. Is it honest?
It's not honest for you to do so, and that's not what the rules are suggesting except maybe inside your own head.

These rules are similar to prison rules.
Surely you're not exaggerating just a little here, even if Vod did come give you a conjugal visit with you on the receiving end.

Where is fun?
Go watch some porn, have a beer, smoke a joint, get away from the computer and bitcointalk in particular.

Ok ban me once again. So everyone can relax then.
I'm sure it's in the works, just like your next ban evasion is.  We're all relaxed here.  Nothing but peace and potato chips and swirling zig-zags in our collective peripheral vision.  Maybe Reddit might suit you better.

Lol. you are funny. The only funny thing in the forum is you mate. No need porn or beer if you are here.


Last but not least, when admins ban people, they should delete their all posts too. Only banning from sending messages and post a new message is hypocrisy. Admin should delete my all posts of my two accounts if they are gonna ban me.


 
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1. Ignorance of law / rule is no excuse.
2. And an irritated person in itself is funny because of the reason mentioned as above no 1
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