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December 25, 2018, 06:19:00 PM
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Dow Jones is down to $21K from all-time high $26K.

Experts predicted the market crash in 2015. when the stock market was down by 11%. The recession did not happen.
Experts predicted the market crash in 2016. when the stock market was down by 10%. The recession did not happen.

Today the market is down -18% and there does not seem to be any signs of slowing down.

Recently the US FED raised the interest rates from 2% to 2.5% within just 4 months.

Crypto market seems like it is not strictly following the trend of the stock market.
Christmass time has given a crypto market a new hope by going from $100B to $146B market capitalization with Bitcoin going from $3.2K to $4.2K within days.


Are we heading in for another recession or Quantitive Easing 4?

What role will the cryptocurrency market play in all of this?

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December 25, 2018, 09:37:49 PM
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Christmass time has given a crypto market a new hope by going from $100B to $146B market capitalization with Bitcoin going from $3.2K to $4.2K within days.
We can see that Christmas already started to affect the price but if the prices were green, the color harmony of Christmas would be broken, RED fits better.  Wink

What role will the cryptocurrency market play in all of this?
I do not think there is a connection between them. Indeed we have seen this in the last stock market decrease but the only similarity is that they are the commercial assets.
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December 25, 2018, 09:57:53 PM
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This is what i notice every end month of the year, there is a greater chance that the market would dump due to the holidays. But i don't think that the market would do the same just like last year that it keeps on decreasing the price as we move to another months of bearishness. We had enough of this bearish markets but i don't know when would the bull run starts.
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December 26, 2018, 02:52:04 AM
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the "experts" have been expecting a recession for years now. it is mostly human nature to want the (recent) history to repeat itself. on one hand i think it is too soon for a big recession to be repeated, on the other hand there are signs of it out there.
although we won't know for sure, it needs some insider information and a lot of research to see whether things are really as bad underneath or are they just pretty bad like they always are.

as for bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, i always say that bitcoin is a completely separate market which is a different beast. although we may see a lot of manipulation in it in case of a recession and a lot of panic buys or panic sells. in short we may see chaos.

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December 26, 2018, 03:29:29 AM
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Dow Jones is down to $21K from all-time high $26K.

Experts predicted the market crash in 2015. when the stock market was down by 11%. The recession did not happen.
Experts predicted the market crash in 2016. when the stock market was down by 10%. The recession did not happen.

Today the market is down -18% and there does not seem to be any signs of slowing down.

Recently the US FED raised the interest rates from 2% to 2.5% within just 4 months.

Crypto market seems like it is not strictly following the trend of the stock market.
Christmass time has given a crypto market a new hope by going from $100B to $146B market capitalization with Bitcoin going from $3.2K to $4.2K within days.


Are we heading in for another recession or Quantitive Easing 4?

What role will the cryptocurrency market play in all of this?

Hey I don't think recession is coming, it's a bear phase and all assets have been effected by it. I believe the fed chief erred in the recent rate hike, and I felt it has done considerable damage I hope they do not raise it again for a while. Also another reason is USA government is on a partial shutdown, and there's no solution in sight as the President wants a wall and he's not getting one. As far the cryptos are concerned they never mirror the stock market, they're in a different league so can't predict how crypto market will go ahead.
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December 26, 2018, 05:20:03 AM
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Not really, with the threat of shut down in Washington, withdrawal of US troops in Syria and other places there is some nervousness in the market. Add the trade wars to that and you'll find a certain uncertainty that drives volatility in the market.

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December 26, 2018, 06:43:11 AM
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I wouldn't call this a recession.It's just the burst of all the bubbles that were caused by the Federal reserve during the past years.Yes,crypto is one of those bubbles.Interest rates will have to go up.The "easy money" monetary policy will have to stop(but i'm not sure it will).Oil and stocks are going down.Real estate will soon collapse as well.There's nothing to worry about. Grin

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December 26, 2018, 06:52:17 AM
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I believe so because wages are not going up and yet rents, bills, and food prices are all on the rise. I live in Cyprus and I have seen the price of rents double in less than four years but the wages haven't gone up at all, so how do you compute this? I have seen food prices go up even more and as we are an Island, all imported food is so expensive, but even locally grown vegetables are getting pricey. I think the poor now are getting poorer and the middle class is struggling. The only thing here in Cyprus is that some people are lucky and they bought land cheap years ago and they do these phat weddings so many of the kids got their own homes when they get married, but in general life is getting harder everywhere.


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December 26, 2018, 07:21:25 AM
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With continued growth pretty much throughout the last decade, there has been a lot of talk about a recession coming through. To me, it's also only a matter of time before the stock markets adjust, and real estate bubbles once again burst in countries like China, Australia etc.

And everyone knows that any period of continued growth will be followed by a recession. And I think we definitely may be close to one right now. Whether this is coming in months, or years is completely unknown, though.

What people can do in my opinion without knowing exactly when the recession is hitting is diversifying their portfolios. It makes sense for crypto to outperform traditional asset classes such as stocks and real estate within a time of recession, since bitcoin is independent of the entire fiat system which will be hit the hardest. It'll serve somewhat as a safe haven asset, like gold, within the next recession, as people know that it is decentralised, and that central banks simply cannot influence the supply of bitcoins within the market. That's my take on it.
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December 26, 2018, 07:23:59 AM
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I definitely think the Stock markets are long overdue for a correction and all the bad political decisions like Brexit and also the trade wars are not helping the situation. I personally think 2019 are going to be a bad year for all Stock exchanges and investors are going to shift their investments to safe havens soon.

Bitcoin will also be negatively impacted by the global economic situation and we might see a lower price than $3000, if the Bitcoin ETF is not approved by the SEC.  Angry

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December 26, 2018, 07:50:50 AM
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The economic recession has entered since the beginning of this year. If the intervention of politicians has not been regulated, the economic crisis has already arrived in advance, and now the economic crisis may erupt at any time in the world. This is the economic crisis once in a hundred years.

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December 26, 2018, 08:20:15 AM
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The recession of the stock markets has no effect on the cryptocurrency market in anyways,the stocks at the moment isn't doing good at all,and I do not actually see it improving that much I must say, some measures are desperately needed to save the stock market from collapsing
The bitcoin market on the other hand has been on the decline since the turn out of the year, was even looking to go far below expectations but it's been a week of improvement and it'll run out till the close of the year, with new policies coming into play in 2019,it could be a golden year
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December 26, 2018, 11:47:02 AM
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If it will bring positive effect to crypto then I would like to make it happen.

Crypto is the new money in the future, so it will be a great investment now, if investors will transfer their money to crypto, this would save us and we might see an early bullish price movement, it's what we are waiting anyway so I hope it will happen soon.

Crisis can happen anytime, this would affect people but just like some countries where inflation rate is so high, bitcoin is here to save them.

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December 26, 2018, 12:00:22 PM
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I definitely think the Stock markets are long overdue for a correction and all the bad political decisions like Brexit and also the trade wars are not helping the situation. I personally think 2019 are going to be a bad year for all Stock exchanges and investors are going to shift their investments to safe havens soon.

I think that the fundamental reasons are ready for heading a recession of the global economy in 2019. The FED continues to increase the interest rates, so there are no more cheap dollars. Maybe this is deliberate actions to win a trade war against other countries.


Bitcoin will also be negatively impacted by the global economic situation and we might see a lower price than $3000, if the Bitcoin ETF is not approved by the SEC.  Angry

Let Bitcoin do not fall below $3000. In general, rich people invest their extra money in the crypto currency market, so they will cash out the purchased coins as fast as they can if serious troubles arise on traditional stock markets.
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December 26, 2018, 12:53:05 PM
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Dow Jones is down to $21K from all-time high $26K.

Experts predicted the market crash in 2015. when the stock market was down by 11%. The recession did not happen.
Experts predicted the market crash in 2016. when the stock market was down by 10%. The recession did not happen.

Today the market is down -18% and there does not seem to be any signs of slowing down.

Recently the US FED raised the interest rates from 2% to 2.5% within just 4 months.

Crypto market seems like it is not strictly following the trend of the stock market.
Christmass time has given a crypto market a new hope by going from $100B to $146B market capitalization with Bitcoin going from $3.2K to $4.2K within days.


Are we heading in for another recession or Quantitive Easing 4?

What role will the cryptocurrency market play in all of this?

The stock market may be in turmoil but a lot of other indicators are still fairly strong. I'm of the belief that there won't be a major recession for another 5+ years.

Crypto won't play any role in this, it will play a role in crypto but not vice versa.

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December 26, 2018, 12:55:30 PM
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The stock market really doesn't affect the crypto market so much. Our market is decided by an organization and the stock market is made up of investors in the world.
That is the difference and we cannot compare the crypto and stock markets. We are definitely going to a recession because fiat money is always inflated every year.

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December 26, 2018, 01:32:24 PM
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I definitely think the Stock markets are long overdue for a correction and all the bad political decisions like Brexit and also the trade wars are not helping the situation. I personally think 2019 are going to be a bad year for all Stock exchanges and investors are going to shift their investments to safe havens soon.

Bitcoin will also be negatively impacted by the global economic situation and we might see a lower price than $3000, if the Bitcoin ETF is not approved by the SEC.  Angry
Stock market is soon to crash again, and that is why many investors are selling their stocks on the last quarter of 2018. Our local market is not doing good also, but of course if you are long term investor your money will still be good if its placed in a great companies. Bitcoin is affected by everything, and even a small issues can be a big problem in cryptomarket. Hopefully this long overdue ETF will finally approved by SEC, so the market will pump high again.
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December 26, 2018, 02:05:15 PM
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I definitely think the Stock markets are long overdue for a correction and all the bad political decisions like Brexit and also the trade wars are not helping the situation. I personally think 2019 are going to be a bad year for all Stock exchanges and investors are going to shift their investments to safe havens soon.

Bitcoin will also be negatively impacted by the global economic situation and we might see a lower price than $3000, if the Bitcoin ETF is not approved by the SEC.  Angry
Stock market is soon to crash again, and that is why many investors are selling their stocks on the last quarter of 2018. Our local market is not doing good also, but of course if you are long term investor your money will still be good if its placed in a great companies. Bitcoin is affected by everything, and even a small issues can be a big problem in cryptomarket. Hopefully this long overdue ETF will finally approved by SEC, so the market will pump high again.
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 Stock Market is having some problem as it shows down turn on the market. I don't agree that we are on the way to recession.. and yes, crypto market is not following the same trend. The recent up and down on crypto price as posted was due to some issues confronting the crypto, once it resolved we can see a more favorable market trend in the coming 2019.

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December 27, 2018, 11:57:52 AM
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The stock market really doesn't affect the crypto market so much. Our market is decided by an organization and the stock market is made up of investors in the world.
That is the difference and we cannot compare the crypto and stock markets. We are definitely going to a recession because fiat money is always inflated every year.

Instead of recession, there could be a transition from fiat to crypto

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December 27, 2018, 04:08:32 PM
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The stock market really doesn't affect the crypto market so much. Our market is decided by an organization and the stock market is made up of investors in the world.
That is the difference and we cannot compare the crypto and stock markets. We are definitely going to a recession because fiat money is always inflated every year.

If fiat money were inflated every year then crypto should be in permanent bullishness. QE doesn't make it so that bitcoin value is always increasing, at least not in the short term. The crypto market is also not decided by an organization so I'm not sure where you got that from.

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