@TECHSHARE even if you didn't use the word all, you did generalise at some point and the right wing along with the media keeps violating their presumtion of innocence. I did say it in the designated thread as well by the way.
There are many countries where women are way better off than in the US. Skandinavian countires are just one obvious example.
* Women work fewer hours, shorter shifts, less dangerous jobs, and take lots of time off because they are socially conditioned to do it. They are brought up to be primarily nurturing and do this to care for their families. If men did their fair share in this, women would work more hours, longer shifts, more dangerous jobs and take less time off. Millions of women do it, those that have been brought up in an egalitarian environment. It is a live social experiment that has proven this millions of times, yet conservative societis such as US keep failing to correct this.
a) Women actually DO commit much less crime because they are socially conditined to follow the rules. Bad boys are encouraged, bad girls get grief.
b) Social prejudice states men are mentally and psychologically stronger than women, therefore don't need any help and get ridiculed to ask for it. But good morning, this is not a feminist view or consequence of it, it is a consequence of patriarchy.
c) Men more likely to die because of dangerous jobs see *
d) Girls are brought up to be "good" - therefore they go to college. Feminists didn't do this.
e) I am all for men sharing equal responsibilities in child care, thus they should equaly get custody of children. Yet again, feminists are not to blame that women are seen as the caregivers and not men (let me guess: But, but...nature! No no - see the social experiment thing)
f) If society sees women as weak, they don't do military service. It would be good for women if they were required to do it. See Israel as example. Also Kurd women are particulary bad ass in military.
g) Homless men see b)
h) Workplace fatalities see *
i) for all these reasons and other affirmative action is sadly still neccessary
You did make a designated thread for it.
MRA groups have been trying to enforce your view for a while, but majority of reasonable and ethical people see that feminist movement is ethical and striving for equality.
They aren't innocent, they are criminals by definition. Now stop using this as an opportunity to get in a quick easy jab because you know I want to stay on topic and that is not on topic regardless of how you rationalize it. Take it to the thread about immigration.
*So women are free and independent but also poor brainwashed victims with no agency of their own at the same time now? Your claim they are conditioned to do so is categorically false, ironically as proven by Scandinavian countries. They have introduced programs there specifically aimed at creating more gender equality in the workplace, and you know what happened? When given more choice women and men SEGREGATED EVEN MORE. This is not about conditioning or brainwashing, this is about a choice. Women tend to choose people focused jobs and men tend to choose thing focused jobs by their nature. It just so happens most of the socially oriented jobs aren't as in demand, and are paid less. This is along with the facts that men work more dangerous jobs, longer hours, take less time off, etc.
You have
ZERO evidence to support your claim these differences are the result of social conditioning of women. Furthermore your claim of women being equal while simultaneously painting them as victims with no agency in the presence of the big bad patriarchy is quite contradictory.
The Gender Equality Paradox:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/tiJVJ5QRRUEhttps://bigthink.com/philip-perry/the-downside-to-greater-gender-equality-fewer-girls-go-after-stem-degreeshttps://www.thejournal.ie/gender-equality-countries-stem-girls-3848156-Feb2018/A) So your argument is men are 14x more criminal than women? I though we were all equal? Oh right, there is that big bad patriarchy again taking muh agency and conditioning us into our gender roles! No. Again your conclusions are all based on the assumption that women are both simultaneously strong and independent, but have no agency over the evil brainwashing patriarchy. Women get preferential treatment in the courts, ESPECIALLY in the case of family law, but also in general.
-Women were less likely to be detained before trial. They were 46 percent less likely than men to held in jail prior to a trial.
-Women who were released on bond were given lower bond amounts. Their bonds were set at amounts that were 54 percent lower than what men were required to pay.
-Women were 58 percent less likely to be sentenced to prison.
https://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/criminal-justice/courts-lenient-sentencing-bond-womenB) Great, so you agree society is prejudiced against men. Your conclusions of how this came to be is laughable though. I love how all of a sudden this discrimination is some how also the fault of men at the same time so you don't have to submit an inch of ground to reality over your precious pet ideology. A large portions of suicides result from after dealing with divorce court BTW, but I am sure it is just that evil patriarchy again hiding in the shadows.
C) And what a privilege it is for men to work those more dangerous and stressful jobs just to have people like you ramble on about wage gaps as if things like this aren't a factor. Also why are they working these dangerous jobs? Oh usually to support a wife an children is it? See where I already busted up your bullshit*
D) Ah yes, again the total removal of agency, and it was just the patriarchy again. I am sure it has nothing to do with limitless women's programs, affirmative action programs, the fact that the educational system is designed around women and girls, the fact that most educators are women, etc. Nope, women are just conditioned to go to school more. That is your answer for literally every issue, it was just conditioning. Funny, it almost seems like you are falling back on a nebulous and ill defined terminology on purpose because you know you have no real and substantive argument.
E) Ah yes, yet again, you admit the discrimination exists, but some how this is once again the fault of the men of the evil shadowy patriarchy. Funny how women just never seem to have any responsibility in these situations isn't it? it is almost like you think men are to blame for every bad thing. Oh sorry, not men, "the patriarchy". I am sure the potential for profit for all these women getting in laws allowing the taking of everything men spent a life time earning, over and over, along with their children, has nothing to do with it. Not a thing. No fault divorce? Nope, patriarchy!
F) Again, as usual your one and only perpetual reply, people are just programmed to think women are weak. First of all, you again don't even refute the fact this is clearly discriminatory against men and then proceed to tell me about your fantasies of women being just as proficient soldiers. Even when you are wrong you are right huh?
G) HAHAHAHA. How fucking lazy are you? Again, you don't even bother making a reply because you know you HAVE NO ARGUMENT.
H) Man, so fucking lazy. Again, what a privilege men have getting to die at a rate 20x greater than women at work. I am sure once again this is the patriarchy right? Silly men giving themselves deadly jobs cause the patriarchy programmed them.
I) If women are the majority in many of these cases, why is affirmative action necessary? just to be clear, you openly support the discrimination against men, simply because of their gender in the workplace? That is what affirmative action is.
Enforce my view? What the fuck are you talking about? I presented facts. You presented fairy tales about the patriarchy which goes around removing all the agency from the strong independent women victims, over and over again. You didn't even ATTEMPT to make an argument, you just threw the same sad old worn out tropes feminists have been beating to death forever. The only one enforcing viewpoints is feminists by systematically deplatforming, mobbing, and harassing anyone who DARES to even have this discussion. Feminism has not been ethical for a long time now, thanks for helping me prove it.
You can keep spreading your lies for a while if you like, but I am telling you the bill is coming due. Either women can start working towards creating equitable policy, or continue to live in this fantasy land where everything is seen thru the lens of feminist theory, and eventually pay a much higher price, and lose many freedoms gained. That is what happens to people who shirk their responsibilities. They lose their freedoms, because freedoms and responsibilities are inexorably linked.
