Attention Theymos: This is a sMerit holdup! Hands in the air!

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

@TalkStar, nguyet91btc is a copy and paste offender and he'll be be getting banned soon. What must lower rank user don't understand is,  each time they show some interest in begging for merit they espose their account to intends investigation and their wrong doings will be expose for moderators to handle. Actually I won't ask them to stop because they make the busting much more easier. You beg for merit, you invite your account for investigation and you get the reward you deserve (Ban for breaking forum rules or merit for quality posting).

[TalkStar]

Did you even take a second to anaylse what just happened here  ?

No one is undermining another here solely for being a low ranked member, If your contribution is genuine and based on your ideas it doesn't matter what your rank is.

Hey mate i think you haven't read my comment carefully. I just told about new users thread posting relative views not mentioned that anyone underestimating low rank members here. I think you got the point.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Achtung!!!  

Theymos, I'm bumping this 2.5 year old thread in the hopes that you'll see it and hear my plea for more merit source sMerits.  I've already posted a request in this thread, which went unheard.  For the last 2-3 days at least I've been steadily running out of them, and they don't seem to be refilling fast enough.  I know merit-giving isn't a contest, but I do watch LoyceV's monthly updates to his merit data analysis thread and Coin-1's related thread and when I do I see members like LoyceV and suchmoon handing out so many merits that there's no way I could even come close to their monthly total.  And sure, they also earn a lot of merits as well but I have to assume they've been getting a very generous allotment of source sMerits as well.

So please....PLEASE....can you either airdrop me a big care package of sMerits (you don't even have to tie a bow around it) or at least increase the rate at which my source sMerits are topped up?  

Since I haven't heard a word about what you, Theymos, think about how the merit system is working, I've no clue what your plans are as far as increasing the amount of circulating merits, adding new merit sources, etc.  All I know is that I'm a merit source without any to give, and that's a problem.

Thanks in advance,

Sceptical Chymist.

[Quickseller]

I don't see theymos changing the frequency at which source sMerit is refilled, however it would probably be appropriate to evaluate how many source sMerit each source has considering how many merit sources have gone inactive and how much source sMerit has effectively become unavailable.   

[TheBeardedBaby]

I'm also lurking in the forum when I have the time, so if theymos decides that he might need a new merit source. I'm still available. Currency out of smerit. I still have a merit source on a speed dial but I would like to continue on my own.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I don't see theymos changing the frequency at which source sMerit is refilled, however it would probably be appropriate to evaluate how many source sMerit each source has considering how many merit sources have gone inactive and how much source sMerit has effectively become unavailable.   

Question: How can you tell how many merit sources have dropped out?  I thought there was in fact a way to look that up, but if there is, I've long since forgotten how.  I know Jet Cash was a merit source, but he hasn't been active for a while.  TMAN was one, too, if I'm not mistaken.  He's been gone for even longer at this point.  [By the way, anyone know whatever happened to xtraelv?]

I agree with you, though.  If there has been anything close to a mass exodus of merit sources, Theymos ought to either up the amount of sMerits allocated to active sources or tap some new merit sources.  I'm pretty sure there are some applications that have gone unacknowledged.

I'm also lurking in the forum when I have the time, so if theymos decides that he might need a new merit source. I'm still available. Currency out of smerit. I still have a merit source on a speed dial but I would like to continue on my own.

Did you submit an application in Meta?  If you haven't already, it wouldn't hurt to do so.  Theymos hasn't responded here, nor have I gotten any additional sMerits (though I just started this thread yesterday), but you might luck out if he decides to take a look at merit source applications and add some new sources.

[LoyceV]

How can you tell how many merit sources have dropped out?

You can't know exactly, because there is no official list of Merit sources. But we know There are 97 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 21171 sMerit per 30 days.
I checked the last 30 days in my merit.all.txt (large file): 13061 Merit sent in 7815 transactions. Not all of those are sent by Merit sources, so it could very well be Merit sources use less than half of their allocated source each month.

[Pmalek]

Achtung!!!  

Theymos...

Have you tried PMing theymos and asking him directly? In my experience, he is quite responsive to things that concern the forum. When I had some doubts in the past, I PMed him and he responded. When I found some bugs, he even checked back after he corrected them to see if everything is OK now. Make him aware of this thread and your request, you have got nothing to lose. Unless he bans you for unsolicited PMs    

[Quickseller]

I don't see theymos changing the frequency at which source sMerit is refilled, however it would probably be appropriate to evaluate how many source sMerit each source has considering how many merit sources have gone inactive and how much source sMerit has effectively become unavailable.   

Question: How can you tell how many merit sources have dropped out?  I thought there was in fact a way to look that up, but if there is, I've long since forgotten how.  I know Jet Cash was a merit source, but he hasn't been active for a while.  TMAN was one, too, if I'm not mistaken.  He's been gone for even longer at this point.  [By the way, anyone know whatever happened to xtraelv?]

I agree with you, though.  If there has been anything close to a mass exodus of merit sources, Theymos ought to either up the amount of sMerits allocated to active sources or tap some new merit sources.  I'm pretty sure there are some applications that have gone unacknowledged.

You have to know who is a merit source. There are a couple of threads that keep track of who at one point is a merit source- they know because they keep track of how many merit they had when the merit system was introduced, how many merit they received and how many merit they spent. If they spend more sMerit than they should have if they didn’t have source merit, they are a merit source.

TMAN was a merit source that had a high allocation and I don’t think this has changed despite him being inactive for a year+. The same is true for Flying Helfish, although I don’t think he has been inactive for as long. I’m sure other merit sources have gone inactive over time.

Also, although I have a source merit allocation of 100 merit per month, and I often have zero available source merit, I don’t spend 100 source merit per month. Source merit is replenished 30 days after it is spent, but I may not spend replenished source merit as soon as it is available, it may take a few days for me to spend it, so I might spend 100 source merit every 32 or so days. If this is true for all merit sources, the actual amount of source merit is actually lower than the published amount available.

[Daniel91]

How can you tell how many merit sources have dropped out?

You can't know exactly, because there is no official list of Merit sources. But we know There are 97 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 21171 sMerit per 30 days.
I checked the last 30 days in my merit.all.txt (large file): 13061 Merit sent in 7815 transactions. Not all of those are sent by Merit sources, so it could very well be Merit sources use less than half of their allocated source each month.

I don't know how it is with others but I never have enough merits available and I can't reward all quality posts with merits.
If there really are merit sources that don't spend all available merits, it might be a good idea to reduce the amount of merit available to such members and increase it for those who don't have enough merits.
I know that only theymos have all the data and can answer this question but it seems to me that the right time has come for certain changes in this area.
It would be nice to see the new merit sources, we already have a lot of quality applications in the Meta.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Did you submit an application in Meta?  If you haven't already, it wouldn't hurt to do so.  Theymos hasn't responded here, nor have I gotten any additional sMerits (though I just started this thread yesterday), but you might luck out if he decides to take a look at merit source applications and add some new sources.

Yeah I did that almost 2 years ago.. it's still quiet.
I did put a lot of time and effort in this forum with the hope to make it a better place, and it changed for good, for which I'm happy. I asked only for to be a source, and never heard from theymos again.
I wasnt really active the past months but life turned 180° last year (sad story) and I couldn't spent all that time here like I did before, it's getting better now and again if theymos need a hand in the merit, I am here.
Stay safe guys... love ya

[Jet Cash]

I'm still a merit source, and I have over 500 sMerits to award at the moment. I do award merits to lower rank members if I think their posts are worthwhile, bur I'm starting to prefer to award merits to senior members. I don't see merits as a means to increase rank, but as an encouragement to make good threads and posts for the benefit of the forum. Merits are an indication of public approval for posts, I've backed away because I don't feel that many of my topics reflect board opinion. Certainly this is true of my opinions of the current artificial pandemic. I'm surprised that a community of educated and intelligent people is failing to recognise the patterns in medical and government behaviour, and fails to question issues such as the testing cycle differences between pre-vaccinated and post-vaccinated people. It is 36-40 for the general public, and 28 or less for the vaccinated. The covid test results are the only ones that don't include the cycle rates, and it is easy to see why. I don't appreciate being belittled and trolled for having an enquiring mind, and questioning the manipulated statistics.

I would like to so something to bring back some of the interesting senior members that we have lost, but I'm not sure how to do this. It is especially true as we seem to have many fiat supporters who don't understand or want Bitcoin. I'd love to see more discussions on world politics and economics, but not if they just push the low level narrative. I don't want to "build back better", but I want to see a return to the old capitalist system that rewards hard work, creativity, and risk taking. We are losing the capital to invest in new ventures, and the small creative businesses, and until people become aware of the damage this is doing to us, we don't have a hope of staying out of an enslaved future. It is ironic that so many protests and extreme actions are happening in the name of anti-slavery at a time when most people are being forced into slavery, and the handing over of their health to the governments..

[Pmalek]

I've backed away because I don't feel that many of my topics reflect board opinion. Certainly this is true of my opinions of the current artificial pandemic. I'm surprised that a community of educated and intelligent people is failing to recognise the patterns in medical and government behaviour, and fails to question issues such as the testing cycle differences between pre-vaccinated and post-vaccinated people.

You mentioned something similar in a different thread and I failed to understand why the pandemic bothers you so much that you don't want to participate in a bitcoin forum because of it. I still do. If you said I don't post as much because I don't like the white and blue background on the forum, that would make more sense to me.

I never visit the political discussions because most of it is off-topic to me. I care as much about what people on a bitcoin forum think of COVID as I care about the type of sneakers they are wearing - not at all. But I am interested in hearing if you don't believe there is a virus at all or you just believe it didn't occur naturally but was released intentionally as a biological weapon and a way for governments to achieve absolute control?   

[Quickseller]

I'm still a merit source, and I have over 500 sMerits to award at the moment.

That is a lot of source merit going unused. I reviewed your merit history and you have given out 110 merit in the past 120 days. Depending on what your source allocation is, there is a minimum of 1900 source merit going unused in the past four months, if not over 2000.

I think Theymos should review how much each merit source is actually spending and reallocate merit accordingly.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I'm still a merit source, and I have over 500 sMerits to award at the moment. I do award merits to lower rank members if I think their posts are worthwhile, bur I'm starting to prefer to award merits to senior members.

I guess I didn't check your merit history before I posted, otherwise I would have realized that you hadn't completely disappeared from the forum for as long as I thought.  You're still a merit source but haven't been a very active one (no judgement, just stating what I saw), which means that that's one merit source who isn't handing out lots of merits and helping the lower ranks, which is what I see as the purpose of having merit sources.  We can agree to disagree on that one with no hard feelings.

You mentioned something similar in a different thread and I failed to understand why the pandemic bothers you so much that you don't want to participate in a bitcoin forum because of it. I still do.

I do too, but everyone is different, and Jet Cash seems to lead a very unconventional life and I respect that.  And besides, there are plenty of members who've just straight-up disappeared since the pandemic started--like xtraelv, TMAN, Flying Hellfish, Vod, and probably many more that either I can't remember or didn't know of at all.  

QS, I know the thread you're referring to, but it'd be nice if Theymos would drop some data on merit distribution by merit sources without identifying them.  That sounds right up his alley, and it would give a good indication as to whether we need more merit sources or more sMerits in the hands of the sources that are still active.

Edit:  Jet Cash, thank you for the generous merit grant!  I don't care so much about my personal merit count, but now I've got 25 more sMerits to give out, and I needed that.  Much appreciated.

[icopress]

And besides, there are plenty of members who've just straight-up disappeared since the pandemic started--like xtraelv, TMAN, Flying Hellfish, Vod, and probably many more that either I can't remember or didn't know of at all.

Sceptical Chymist ^{[Just for reference]} ... If you have a desire, you can always contact Vod by mail (as far as I know, he is always happy to exchange a few words). As for xtraelv, I think he will not scold me if I say that everything is fine with him ... he leads a more active lifestyle than many of us, and in his free time he works to refute the lies that CSW has been telling for years, (at least that was the case a couple of weeks ago).

[The Sceptical Chymist]

If you have a desire, you can always contact Vod by mail (as far as I know, he is always happy to exchange a few words). As for xtraelv, I think he will not scold me if I say that everything is fine with him ... he leads a more active lifestyle than many of us, and in his free time he works to refute the lies that CSW has been telling for years, (at least that was the case a couple of weeks ago).

Yeah, I don't want to bother Vod now that he left the forum, even though I've always been on good terms with him (at least I hope so).  He needed a break, and I don't intend to intrude on that break.  As far as xtraelv goes, I'm glad to hear that he's alive and well and is still active in the bitcoin community, even if it's not on this forum.  I've always liked him and didn't notice he was missing until I saw his name in a thread recently.  I tend to forget people's usernames very quickly if I don't see them all the time, but I remember them very quickly once my memory is refreshed.

And hey, I got some new source sMerits recently, although not that many so far.  I plan to give out a bunch over the weekend when I do some more reading.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I wanted to bump this thread because since I bumped it on June 28th, I still haven't gotten more than 20 source sMerits or so, which seems unusual to me--and right now I'm completely out again (though I have some new earned ones to give out). 

What is clear to me is that Theymos either hasn't seen this thread or is ignoring it for whatever reason.  I'm hoping it's the former, and I'm also hoping that if he does view my posts here that he'll grant me more source sMerits and perhaps tell us his views on the merit system as it stands in 2021.  Maybe I'm overreacting somewhat, but it seems ominous to me that a merit source (me) is being allowed to run dry on sMerits--and hopefully my allocation hasn't decreased, either.  It seems that way to me, but I'm not really keeping track of incoming/outgoing sMerits.

C'mon, Theymos!  You started this merit system and all of the merit sources you picked are volunteering to do the job for the forum, so it'd be nice if you could acknowledge a thread like this.  Thanks, sorry.

[LoyceV]

hopefully my allocation hasn't decreased

If your source sMerit is increased or decreased, it's reset. So you'd see the total maximum instantly.

I'm not really keeping track of incoming/outgoing sMerits.

I keep track:
Merit sent by The Pharmacist (Trust list) from January 24, 2018 until July 02, 2021 (source)


Merit received by The Pharmacist (Trust list) from January 24, 2018 until July 02, 2021 (source)

[icopress]

Skeptical Chymist ... I may be wrong, but the 20 sMerit you are talking about most likely came from Jet Cash ... and Theymos really did not read this thread, (although it seems to me unlikely that you missed it). ^{[Edited: Just saw that you already mentioned this]}

As for Theymos opinion on the current state of affairs, I also doubt that he will say anything, since I am almost sure that it is easier for him to update the list of merit sources than to talk about it. But since we are talking about this, I have one idea that I will try to outline in detail in the near future, (in short, the idea is based on the ratio of sMerit to inclusions of DT for each user and monthly elections). It is my deep conviction that there is no single chance that this innovation would not fix all the current problems in the merit system.