P2P gambling games

[QuadsPoker]

Hi guys,

just want your opinion on something.

Would there be a market for a gambling platform where people can bet against each other in simple P2P games? I just use rock stone paper scissors as an example but there are many more simple P2P games.

I personally think it would be nice if a platform like that would be available. Lots of people sometimes seriously doubt about the provably fair system behind the casino. But on a P2P platform with games that can't be influenced by the system or the house would be great.

So please share your opinion and what games you would have in mind.

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[BitcoinGirl.Club]

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You are talking about a decentralized gambling platform? It would be nice to see one. I am trying to imagine how will it be done? Who will hold the odd and etc. There must be a way though.

[QuadsPoker]

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You are talking about a decentralized gambling platform? It would be nice to see one. I am trying to imagine how will it be done? Who will hold the odd and etc. There must be a way though.

it does not really have to be decentralised but just a platform with gambling games that cannot be influenced by the house.

Lets take paper-scissor-rock as example. 2 persons put for example 1000 satoshi each in the pot and then play the game. The person who wins the game will receive the prize pool of 2000 satoshi (minus the fee that the platform is charging).

So it can be decentralised but can also work like a regular online casino with player accounts where people can deposit some money, receive affiliate income and winnings. I think if you want to make it entirely decentralised you must work with a coin or token that has very fast confirmations. A game paper-scissor-rock for example takes less than 30 seconds to end. So it fast transactions should be necessary.

So I think a platform like a regular casino should work fine with deposit and withdrawals, etc but with exclusively games that can't be manipulated. I think this would be a nice  and fair thing if that would be around. Winnings aren't that big cause you do not have the multipliers but you still have a 50% chance to win. Thats even something not a single casino can offer.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

it does not really have to be decentralised but just a platform with gambling games that cannot be influenced by the house.

Lets take paper-scissor-rock as example. 2 persons put for example 1000 satoshi each in the pot and then play the game. The person who wins the game will receive the prize pool of 2000 satoshi (minus the fee that the platform is charging).

So it can be decentralised but can also work like a regular online casino with player accounts where people can deposit some money, receive affiliate income and winnings. I think if you want to make it entirely decentralised you must work with a coin or token that has very fast confirmations. A game paper-scissor-rock for example takes less than 30 seconds to end. So it fast transactions should be necessary.

So I think a platform like a regular casino should work fine with deposit and withdrawals, etc but with exclusively games that can't be manipulated. I think this would be a nice  and fair thing if that would be around. Winnings aren't that big cause you do not have the multipliers but you still have a 50% chance to win. Thats even something not a single casino can offer.

This reminds me live casinos. Live roulette, live poker etc which we can usually play against each others. I think there are sites like bet365 can offer you that. But if you are talking about dice and this kind of games then I have not seen any yet or how will this be done?

[QuadsPoker]

it does not really have to be decentralised but just a platform with gambling games that cannot be influenced by the house.

Lets take paper-scissor-rock as example. 2 persons put for example 1000 satoshi each in the pot and then play the game. The person who wins the game will receive the prize pool of 2000 satoshi (minus the fee that the platform is charging).

So it can be decentralised but can also work like a regular online casino with player accounts where people can deposit some money, receive affiliate income and winnings. I think if you want to make it entirely decentralised you must work with a coin or token that has very fast confirmations. A game paper-scissor-rock for example takes less than 30 seconds to end. So it fast transactions should be necessary.

So I think a platform like a regular casino should work fine with deposit and withdrawals, etc but with exclusively games that can't be manipulated. I think this would be a nice  and fair thing if that would be around. Winnings aren't that big cause you do not have the multipliers but you still have a 50% chance to win. Thats even something not a single casino can offer.

This reminds me live casinos. Live roulette, live poker etc which we can usually play against each others. I think there are sites like bet365 can offer you that. But if you are talking about dice and this kind of games then I have not seen any yet or how will this be done?

Not talking about games like on regular casino sites. But just simple games. Lets take another simple game 'connect4' (picture below). This is a very easy game that can be played online. Lets say players put in 500 Satoshi each and winner of the game takes 1000.




You would be able to configure games like dice, mines, etc to multiplayer games but then you still have the risk the house manipulates the game and can favourise house players. But like in games I mentioned like rock-scissor-paper or on top of this connect4 this are real P2P games that can't be manipulated by the house. So everyone has a fair 50% chance of winning

[Dreamchaser21]

This can be a good one but maybe its hard to make game like this in cryptoworld since most of the developers wants to earn money, and always want to have an advantage against the gambler. I tried to play P2P, and its common through the card game, well hope to see like this in the future so we can now have the chance to earn.

[QuadsPoker]

This can be a good one but maybe its hard to make game like this in cryptoworld since most of the developers wants to earn money, and always want to have an advantage against the gambler. I tried to play P2P, and its common through the card game, well hope to see like this in the future so we can now have the chance to earn.

People that launch this earn as well. I think this would work like a betting exchange. players both are the gamblers as the bookmaker on betting exchanges and the platform takes a small fee of every bet placed on their exchange. So I would guess it would be the same here.

This is how I would do. Lets say 2 players play a game of paper-rock-scissors for a 500 satoshi buy-in. So total prize pool would be 1000 satoshi.

I would say
-2% to affiliate commission. So the people who referred the 2 players will each receive 1% of the placed bet or in other words 10 satoshi as affiliate commission.
- 3-5% house fee for running the platform, organise promotions, platform earnings 30-50 satoshi to the platform
- 93-95% to the winning player.


So if there is a game played with a 1000 satoshi prize then

-> 20 satoshi reserved for affiliate commission
-> 30-50 satoshi for the platform
-> 930-950 satoshi for the winner

[harizen]

Hi guys,

just want your opinion on something.

Would there be a market for a gambling platform where people can bet against each other in simple P2P games? I just use rock stone paper scissors as an example but there are many more simple P2P games.

I personally think it would be nice if a platform like that would be available. Lots of people sometimes seriously doubt about the provably fair system behind the casino. But on a P2P platform with games that can't be influenced by the system or the house would be great.

So please share your opinion and what games you would have in mind.

I've remember a similar proposal on Chess back then.

The problem here is how to prove that we are really against a real human and not a bot. Doing live chat will not work depends on a game rules. In a simple stone,paper, scissor game some irregularity might happened to.

I like the system honestly. And looking forward that someday we can see a nice and good gambling site with p2p system aside from the usual esports.

[QuadsPoker]

Hi guys,

just want your opinion on something.

Would there be a market for a gambling platform where people can bet against each other in simple P2P games? I just use rock stone paper scissors as an example but there are many more simple P2P games.

I personally think it would be nice if a platform like that would be available. Lots of people sometimes seriously doubt about the provably fair system behind the casino. But on a P2P platform with games that can't be influenced by the system or the house would be great.

So please share your opinion and what games you would have in mind.

I've remember a similar proposal on Chess back then.

The problem here is how to prove that we are really against a real human and not a bot. Doing live chat will not work depends on a game rules. In a simple stone,paper, scissor game some irregularity might happened to.

I like the system honestly. And looking forward that someday we can see a nice and good gambling site with p2p system aside from the usual esports.

Yeah me to. like you say I read something about a chess- crypto related platform. but like you mention the involvement of bots can kill the game. I think for games like stone, paper,scissor there should be a way to avoid bots. If I had such platform I personally would op people need to enter their choice paper, stone or scissor and confirm their choice with a captcha.

[avikz]

I don't know if we already have an active p2p gambling platform available that accepts cryptocurrency. But there are some ICOs I have seen those who are building such platforms.

1. Bytebet
2. Zensports
3. Gainmers

I can't recommend them because I have never used their platform or MvP. You can certainly go through their details and launching plans from their website. Hope this helps!

Please don't consider this as an investment advice or a recommendation!

[jzarifis]

Talking for betting there is a new project that just silently released. It does what you are asking for, player bets against another players, it is full decentralized, it uses only cryptos(not fiat).

Take a look at https://kryptium.io

[milewilda]

There are few sites do already have P2P type of games such as,

1.Coinflip
2.Rock,Paper& Scissors(OP example)
3.P2P roulette and Lottery

But most of them didnt able to succeed.

[crzy]

There are few sites do already have P2P type of games such as,

1.Coinflip
2.Rock,Paper& Scissors(OP example)
3.P2P roulette and Lottery

But most of them didnt able to succeed.

They didn’t succeed maybe because gambler wants to play more on the traditional games in casinos and I think this kind of game is quiet risky for a newbie since they are not familiar yet with the game. Though I like the idea of skipping the house system, to earn more but this must still supported by every gambler so they can survive but if its not, they will just become a failed project.

[Harkorede]

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You are talking about a decentralized gambling platform? It would be nice to see one. I am trying to imagine how will it be done? Who will hold the odd and etc. There must be a way though.

Yes, there is one actually https://0xgame.io, It is a completely decentralized sports betting platform, I use it often could testify about it being totally decentralized, However it only supports ETH betting for now and I don't know if there could options available for other cryptocurrencies in the future, but I don't think that will be possible since it makes use of Ethereum smart contract functions.

[Johnyz]

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You are talking about a decentralized gambling platform? It would be nice to see one. I am trying to imagine how will it be done? Who will hold the odd and etc. There must be a way though.

Yes, there is one actually https://0xgame.io, It is a completely decentralized sports betting platform, I use it often could testify about it being totally decentralized, However it only supports ETH betting for now and I don't know if there could options available for other cryptocurrencies in the future, but I don't think that will be possible since it makes use of Ethereum smart contract functions.

Nice, so you’re making a good run on that site compare to the traditional gambling site?
Well, thanks for giving the link and i will probably study this one. Anyway, P2P gambling is very fun for me since you will fight against the other and not to the system of the casinos. Its good to play this one honestly, I tried it once when i visited my grandma and play some cards with my cousins so maybe its time now to try it online.

[rodel caling]

This can be a good one but maybe its hard to make game like this in cryptoworld since most of the developers wants to earn money, and always want to have an advantage against the gambler. I tried to play P2P, and its common through the card game, well hope to see like this in the future so we can now have the chance to earn.

Obviously p2p online gambling site create by the developers to earn much more money it's s clearly online gambling is pure business the benefits of this online gambling make people easy and convenient without hassle wasting time travel go to gambling house.(in short nobody can watch n against the gambling operators)

[bitmover]

I think P2P games are much more fun and competitive. They are also more addictive.
It's sad to see that they are not making a lot of success around.

Some games are better played P2P, like poker games .

P2p are also usually harder and matches are longer... You also need more focus than most games out there. It's a different kind of entertainment

[tokeweed]

Guys...  What's that mountain climbing game again?  The one that you program your climbing bot to climb the mountain the fastest?  I think QP will love that game. 

Needs some community support tho. 

[jzarifis]

Forgot to note that Kryptium will add the ability for users to publish their custom events and results(about anything) on blockchain + to play the role of bookmaker using their own or others players events.
You could find more info on project site:
https://kryptium.io

[eternalgloom]

I've seen some similar threads that posed somewhat the same sort of question as you.
I do think there's a market for it, but as others have mentioned here, you need to find a way to prevent people from using bots.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1352899.0 (a poll which asked what type of gambling people preferred. Skill-based games are on top)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367814.0 (Would you play an 8 Pool game with BTC as game credit/betting?)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5072380.0 (Skill-based Gambling/games?)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1982018.0 (What games are best suitable for PvP gambling?)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3248514.0 (Is there any pvp betting game?)

I've just added these threads to show that there's actually quite a bit of interest for this.