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Bitcointalk is bigger than we think. There are a lot of people from around the world. Among those, some are here to learn about bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general, some for having trading or exchanging goods, currency and some are here for earning money through bounty. Besides those, there are some people who are here for scam people's money. When we go for a trade, how will we judge a user whether we should trust that person or not? To help you sort out this, people are giving feedback based on their previous trades, experience. We may find some feedback valid while some are invalid, bogus. If someone gives a user positive feedback and you go first while trading, you may be scammed because you don't know whether the feedback was valid or invalid. Here is the necessity of having a custom trust list. While you surf bitcointalk, have trades, exchange goods or coins or currency, you need to save yourself from the possible scam or frauds and custom trust list will help you to do so.

For creating a custom trust list-
1. Go to trust setting.
2. Include username/userid of those persons who leave valid feedback in your opinion.
                  a. For including someone in your trust list, type the username or userid in the box. While you include someone to your trust list,
                     remember to use the correct username. There may have some persons with the almost same username. For avoiding this issue,
                     you may use the userid.
                  b. For excluding someone who doesn't provide valid feedback (you think), use a tilde(~) before his/her username.
3. Now update. You also can set the depth level which is also important because if you add someone to your custom trust list and if your
    depth level is set at 1, you are trusting that user's custom trust list. If you set depth level 2, you are trusting a lot of users. You may check this thread for better understanding the depth level.

What benefits are you getting if you use custom trust list-

1. Safe trade, safe surf, Happy ending
   If you create a custom trust list, you will see only those feedback on any users profile left by your custom trust list. You may check other
people's feedback by visiting untrusted feedback. When you want to have a trade or exchange goods or whatever, if you see negative feedback on that user's profile left by someone from your custom trust list, you will not definitely go for a deal and will not be scammed. And at the same time, if you see positive feedback left by your custom trust list, you may have a safe deal/exchange with that person. Beside this, you will also have safe browsing. For example, if someone uses an evil software/URL which may compromise your data if you click. But if you see the trust score (not possible sometimes because trust score isn't visible in all section) and find out someone from your trust list has already left negative feedback, you definitely will not click on that link. You are having a safe trade and safe surfing.

2. Judgment will be easier
   Assume that you have not built a custom trust list and your depth level is set to 2, that's mean you are trusting people's feedback who are in DT1 and you are also trusting feedback who are in the trust list of DT1. So, based on their feedback, you may find someone's score is 100 and you think that user as trusted which may be wrong at some point. Your judgment on that user will be wrong but when you are using custom trust list, you will only have almost accurate judgment.

3. Help the forum
   While you are having safe trade/browsing, it's your responsibilty to ensure safe trades for other persons too. If someone includes you in his trust list and his depth level is set to 2, he is also trusting feedback from people of your trust list. So, you should add only those persons to your trust list whom you trust with their feedback.

4. DT1 selection
   DT1 member selection requires people to be included in other people's trust list. That means we are responsible to select DT1 member. Therefore, we should include persons who leave valid trust to ensure we are not going to have a bad DT1 member.

5. Custom trust list is required for the inclusion in DT1
   With the new changes, the trust system of bitcointalk has become more decentralized. Before this, DT1 memeber was only included by theymos directly although based on their trust in forum. Now, whoever meets the criteria, will be incuded in DT1 except scammers or someone with bad reputation. Therefore, for being included in DT1, you should use custom trust list.

Some criteria you should maintain while choosing people to include in your trust list- by suchmoon.
1. People you've traded with are not necessarily good candidates. You have to trust person's judgement as well.
2. Review the feedback sent by people you're including/excluding. (You've mentioned this a little bit)
2. Never include people who ask to be included. Perhaps exclude them instead. Be skeptical about inclusions suggested by other users (possible shilling).
3. Don't include people merely based on their merits or if you like/agree with their posts.
etc

Including wrong people in the list would negate any advantages and might make it far worse than just leaving the settings at DefaultTrust.

I think you have now a little awareness about creating a custom trust list. I highly encourage people to use a custom trust list.
Remember, there are a big differences between leaving a feedback and custom trust list.

Please, write if anything is misguided, what to include or exclude. I will appreciate that. I have tried my best to highlight custom trust list but there may be some errors since I am not a senior one.

And I am extremly sorry for my bad English. Trying to learn though.
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Everything is correctly written, but I would have added more pictures for greater clarity.




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I think you may be neglecting to emphasize the importance of how to choose people to include in a custom list. For example:

1. People you've traded with are not necessarily good candidates. You have to trust person's judgement as well.
2. Review the feedback sent by people you're including/excluding. (You've mentioned this a little bit)
2. Never include people who ask to be included. Perhaps exclude them instead. Be skeptical about inclusions suggested by other users (possible shilling).
3. Don't include people merely based on their merits or if you like/agree with their posts.
etc

Including wrong people in the list would negate any advantages and might make it far worse than just leaving the settings at DefaultTrust.



Should this be in B&H?

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~snip~
Updated and moved to B&H. Thank you for the suggestion.
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January 13, 2019, 04:09:45 AM
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Thanks for the explanation, You're one of those truly contributing to the forum positively and your merits earned can reflect that.  After users must have read the importance of custom trust list an sure they'll love to get theirs too. Also I love the way you added important threads to make it easier for users to access those topic instead of searching individually maybe you should also add this threads beneath fhe post I believe anyone who's interested in using their trust feature  also needs to understand;
[Explained] How DT system works
[Explained] How Trust Score is calculated

 

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January 13, 2019, 06:35:29 AM
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2. Review the feedback sent by people you're including/excluding. (You've mentioned this a little bit)

This is a good suggestion. Also retalliatory feedback should also be considered, mostly they are just out of spite from those tagged, but digging deeper could give a clearer picture.
Also the presence of a member in the various boards is important, as this means they better understand the state if the forum.

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What is the use of trust depth?

What value I need to set when I am making a custom trust list?
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What is the use of trust depth?
Basically:

In trust setting, all those are mentioned as below-
Depth 0, the list of people who are included in your trust list.
Depth 1, the list of people who are trusted by Depth 0.
Depth 2, the list of people are trusted by Depth 1.

What value I need to set when I am making a custom trust list?
You should probably just let it set on 2. If you set a bigger number, you will end up trusting half of the forum.

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January 13, 2019, 07:27:25 AM
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What is the use of trust depth?
What value I need to set when I am making a custom trust list?

I was confused as you are yesterday when I decide to customize my trust list and asked same question and got this answer

You'll have to read this thread I'm quoting and take note of the highlighted areas

You may wonder why there's no list of users there, as I've explained above, but rather a single entry called "DefaultTrust".
DefaultTrust is a special user who maintains his own Trust List.
The Trust List of DefaultTrust includes the names of those preset users I've talked about.
Beneath the list, there's a value called "Depth". This value represents the number of "steps down" which the forum's software will look into Trust Lists of people in your own Trust List, to construct your final, complete list.

Now, to set up your own Trust List, you might not want to create one from scratch.
To create a list based on other users' judgements, you may just include other users' Feedback by including their names into your own Trust List and set Depth to 1.
If you believe that the people in your Trust List not only leave valuable Feedback, but also maintain good Trust Lists themselves, feel free to set Depth to 2.

I advise against higher values for Depth. That will lead to a final Trust List that includes an enormous number of people.

If you're convinced of a specific user's "bad judgment", you may simply include their name with the prefix "~".
Away with his Feedback and his Trust List, no matter how many people have included him or her.


In the extreme case where you don't want to trust anyone's judgment but your own, you may just want to include the single entry "~DefaultTrust", with a Depth of 0, preferably.
Depth 0 means that you will only take into account the Feedback of the users in your Trust List, but not their Trust Lists.
DefaultTrust doesn't leave Feedback of his own, by the way, so you might as well keep DefaultTrust without the "~" at Depth 0.

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January 13, 2019, 07:43:48 AM
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What is the use of trust depth?

What value I need to set when I am making a custom trust list?

Although OP explained it briefly I think still you are confused. Read below quote for easy explanation.

1: what's the maximum number of users I can add to my trust list?
There is no limit, you can add if you want all forum members.
2: that which the back black arrow is pointing at what does it mean?
This is the depth, you can select up to depth 4. I will explain it below
3: that which the red arrow is pointing at, what does it mean and what's the maximum number to write there?.
When you will add custom list it will be 2 by default. If you want to change you can do it. You can select from 1 to 4. What happend if you select 1 or 4? For your information you can't select any specific depth to specific user. Means if you change depth on your custom list then all your listed user will change. Now you have to decide what number you should select. Better depth 2 only.

Let's say you add me on your custom list. But you select depth;1 then you will see only my feedback. Whoever in my trust list their feedback will not visible to you.

Let's say you select me depth;4, now you will see my feedback and up to more 3 level who is my trust list. Like I add qwk, qwk add LoyceV , LoyceV add suchmoon. So you will see upto suchmoon feedback if you select depth 4. If you select depth 3 then you will see feedback upto LoyceV. If you select depth 2 then you will see feedback upto qwk.
Note: The feedback and rating will visible only to you. Not by all forum members. But if you are in DT1 Then all forum member will able see up to depth 2 feedback on current trust system.



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Deserves another round of discussion after recent changes.

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Deserves another round of discussion after recent changes.
Just noticed the changes, received a PM from an user asking to translating this thread into his local and found your post.
I will try to write another, may be tomorrow.
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I'll add this for the image provided. The Trust Depth which the max is 4 so if you choose number 1 as your Trust Depths and the person you added in your list might be added as new DT1 if there is enough person who trust you with the same depth they choose.
Trust Depth:
1 = DT1
2 = DT2
3 and 4 = Not Sure if 3 and 4 can become DT as well.

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The trust depth is a parameter that we can configure on our Trust Settings (default value is 2 if I recall correctly), to indicate the depth of our Trust Network. This applies both to a Custom Trust List and to the Default Trust List. The trust depth represents the number of levels that we are using to determine the Trust Score (counters) we view on people’s profiles, Ratings, and now Flags.

The immense majority of the forum members do not have a Customized Trust Network, and therefore view trust ratings in accordance to the DT (Default Trust) Network.

One level of Depth on a DT configurated Trust Network represents that DT1’s ratings are the ones that consolidate the scores, (trusted) feedback and Flags that we view. Two levels of depth mean that DT1, and those directly trusted by them (DT2) all count the same in configurating those scores, (trusted) feedback and Flags. If anyone maxes the depth to Depth four, then they are likely including too many people’s criteria to conform their trust view (DT1+DT2+ those trusted by DT2 (DT3), plus those trusted by those trusted by DT2 (DT4)).

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