TMAN's thread for bitching about my tags.

[TMAN]

Already getting loads of messages, this is self-modded so I can delete anything that cryptocunt posts, I will also keep this place clean of other generally annoying posts. So.. if I have tagged you and you have proof that it is unfair/unreasonable/unwarranted please start a discussion here - DO NOT PM ME. 

I will also state that I am under no illusion that I am always right far from it if you ask the Mrs, but I only want input here from other members who's opinions I value, you will either know who you are or your posts will be deleted and you will know you aren't a chosen one.

so peeps who get tagged by TMAN - present your case, Please do be aware that there is a chance that others on DT will back my decisions, then it is highly likely that more red will rain down.

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[petestheman]

Thank you for creating a thread here and try to address my issue.

To let you know I was not trying to support the peoples who's profiles I posted in anyway. I was just trying to explain and answers the OP that the solution he suggested is not worth it and it has some flaws. But I got a red trust for it which just does not seem right.

Please try reading my post again about it I was in no way trying to prove that the profiles I tagged are good posters or contribute to the forum. I just said they are crypto collector as I saw some of there previous posts in collectable section.

[TMAN]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5097573.msg49241769#msg49241769

thread in question, I invite others to read and see if they have the same interpretation as me - what are your views people, should this user who identifies shitposting bounty hunting pajeets as "Decent" be highlighted as a sub par manager by a tag or not?

[suchmoon]

I think you're being too harsh on pete. I think anyone should be able to profess love to any spammer without getting tagged. Put a neutral on him perhaps...

It does seem like a purchased/hacked account but absent hard proof that's also not a crime.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I just said they are crypto collector as I saw some of there previous posts in collectable section.

I stopped right here, looking at the posts of the user you said was under-merited:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=732010.  The first few pages of his post history are just his name in Games & Rounds, and that goes back to at least November.  Any other "posts" he made are just stupid thank you's or other garbage.  I'm assuming that's one of your alt accounts, because no one in their right mind would think that account's posts are merit-worthy.

Having said that, I don't think you ought to have gotten a neg for it.  That's between TMAN and you, however.  I would suggest to TMAN that Theymos doesn't want shitposters tagged anymore and although this is somewhat of a different situation, it's in the same ballpark.  

[eddie13]

Is he getting paid by petestheman's bounty for his signature and posts nothing but free raffle claims?
Then maybe yes..

If it is not petestheman's bounty he is in or isn't getting paid by that sig for those posts then probably no..  
Someone would really pay for that signature on his posts? If it is paid then that manager needs some correction..
Who runs this blocknode bounty he is wearing a sig for?

But only for petestheman saying not to ban him I don't think so..

[TMAN]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5097573.msg49244997#msg49244997

In that post Pete highlights 2 users who are making “good” posts who haven’t achieved 1 merit in 200+ posts. In my view that should exclude him as a bounty manager. Or am I way off here peeps?

Also @pete, why won’t you sign a message from the stakes address that Lauda posted?

[petestheman]

I just said they are crypto collector as I saw some of there previous posts in collectable section.

I stopped right here, looking at the posts of the user you said was under-merited:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=732010.  The first few pages of his post history are just his name in Games & Rounds, and that goes back to at least November.  Any other "posts" he made are just stupid thank you's or other garbage.  I'm assuming that's one of your alt accounts, because no one in their right mind would think that account's posts are merit-worthy.

Thank you for your opinion here.

As you said some of his posts are in games and round section but some of them are also in collectable section.

That's is defiantly not my alt as I just found some random profiles from the collectable section and posted it there to let the OP know that there are some people who don't deserved to be banned from posting. I never said they are worthy of merits.

Also @pete, why won’t you sign a message from the stakes address that Lauda posted?

As I already said I took some break after that period I posted the address and also I usually just try to exchange my crypto to fiat and don't intend to store much of it on a single address and private keys.

[eddie13]

are you paying this guy?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1781960;sa=showPosts

in your spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bq0ZPWIMEksvfa6ZuCWkBkjFReqZLx-D5ts_eJIk4Fg/edit#gid=1284949262

[petestheman]

are you paying this guy?
bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1781960;sa=showPosts

in your spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bq0ZPWIMEksvfa6ZuCWkBkjFReqZLx-D5ts_eJIk4Fg/edit#gid=1284949262

I see he has applied now to one of my campaign, he is not accepted yet and I also do not intend to accept him as his post history says that he is not a worth poster and most of his posts are in bounties section which does not qualify for a signature campaign.

Edit: if you are pointing to Facebook campaign in which he also registered. I am willing to accept him in Facebook as he has 750+ friends is eligible by rules.

[The Cryptovator]

What I believe petestheman misunderstand the question, and he continually argue with that. Question was regarding decent poster, but he had mentioned worst poster. In my opinion he don't know the meaning of decent and he just looking who have posted much and didn't received merit. His post is proving that he doesn't know what is decent is really or he just underestimate decent word.

Neutral feedback appropriate in my opinion also.


Edit : Look like account handover on multiple hand.

 

[Lauda]

I just said they are crypto collector as I saw some of there previous posts in collectable section.

I stopped right here, looking at the posts of the user you said was under-merited:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=732010.  The first few pages of his post history are just his name in Games & Rounds, and that goes back to at least November.  Any other "posts" he made are just stupid thank you's or other garbage.  I'm assuming that's one of your alt accounts, because no one in their right mind would think that account's posts are merit-worthy.

Having said that, I don't think you ought to have gotten a neg for it.  That's between TMAN and you, however.  I would suggest to TMAN that Theymos doesn't want shitposters tagged anymore and although this is somewhat of a different situation, it's in the same ballpark.  

Disagreed. Take a look at what this so called I'm-not-hacked user advertises himself as in his "bounty management" thread. Combine those with what he think is a decent poster --> basically, a fraud using a stolen/hacked account.

It does seem like a purchased/hacked account but absent hard proof that's also not a crime.

Proving otherwise is trivial, and this wouldn't be the first case that someone got tagged for this.

[mu_enrico]

I stumbled upon this thread as I saw @petestheman bounty thread and interested in one of those. Since I don't want to join account buyer campaign, could you provide some proof? Maybe post something like bitcoin meme on your Tumblr account?

my tumblr blog

ourcrazyreality.tumblr.com

Maybe you really lost access to your bitcoin address

1JywwXphRygZ42KPvP7qtQYccXM2L8hpTu

because it's been inactive since 2015.

I'll keep my eyes on this thread. Thanks!

[Lauda]

I stumbled upon this thread as I saw @petestheman bounty thread and interested in one of those. Since I don't want to join account buyer campaign, could you provide some proof? Maybe post something like bitcoin meme on your Tumblr account?

my tumblr blog

ourcrazyreality.tumblr.com

Let me guess, he will say that it was only temporary like everything else posted in 2014 and prior.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Disagreed. Take a look at what this so called I'm-not-hacked user advertises himself as in his "bounty management" thread. Combine those with what he think is a decent poster --> basically, a fraud using a stolen/hacked account.

Then I would think that TMAN's feedback ought to say something different instead of how it reads now.  Hell, if he's using a hacked account I'll tag him myself, but that's not the reason TMAN gave.

[petestheman]

Let me guess, he will say that it was only temporary like everything else posted in 2014 and prior.

Yes, you are right it was just use by me for my sis to get loose from this stuff. Still better I do not explain it here.

[suchmoon]

It does seem like a purchased/hacked account but absent hard proof that's also not a crime.

Proving otherwise is trivial, and this wouldn't be the first case that someone got tagged for this.

Based on posting style and gaps the account may have changed hands twice between 2014 and 1018. Whoever used it in 2017 was putting spaces before commas and periods, and there are large gaps before and after that stretch. The content of posts/topics also differs between those three periods. So at best the current pete is the 3rd pete. That's probably a good enough reason for someone to tag him but I still think tagging for saying things about spammers is not. Please don't kick me out of the cult almighty Lauda for disagreeing with TMAN

[Lauda]

It does seem like a purchased/hacked account but absent hard proof that's also not a crime.

Proving otherwise is trivial, and this wouldn't be the first case that someone got tagged for this.

Based on posting style and gaps the account may have changed hands twice between 2014 and 1018. Whoever used it in 2017 was putting spaces before commas and periods, and there are large gaps before and after that stretch. The content of posts/topics also differs between those three periods. So at best the current pete is the 3rd pete. That's probably a good enough reason for someone to tag him but I still think tagging for saying things about spammers is not.

I have written and applied a proper tag.

Please don't kick me out of the cult almighty Lauda for disagreeing with TMAN

There's a reason why I'm the master; TMAN has lots to learn. Don't worry my child, I will keep you safe.

[TMAN]

So consensus is TMAN wrong for reason but right for tag? I’ll change it shortly.

Suchmoon you can’t be chucked out, you know that already. Stop making Lauda big headed with power

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Oh yeah, I think that account has definitely changed hands.  He used to post in perfect English in 2014 with stuff like this:

Hey you guys. I honestly have very little understanding in what mining BTC is I know it evolves your gpu solving equations which will break blocks and in return will get you btc.

I was wondering what the best method for mining is if you don't have a strong CPU (I have a mac book air Processor 1.8 GHz intel core i5, Memory 4gb)? What are anti miners and other usb plugins? Is it easier to just invest in one of those shares sites?

Any other info you feel is important would help also.

And then this in Oct. 2014:

I would really like my account deleted for personal reasons. As if I never even posted. Not a permanent ban but a deleted account.

....followed by a huge posting gap that ended in Dec. 2016 with this post:

Yobit contacted for exchange?

After that, English is broken as all hell, as demonstrated by this post:

You are banned for parallelism and it is totally not encouraged on bitcointalk so you have very fewer chances of recovering your account.


Using an alt to post in section aside of meta by a permanently banned person is also prohibited and is against the forum rules so try not avoiding it.

Will tag the account now.

[petestheman]

Then I would think that TMAN's feedback ought to say something different instead of how it reads now.  Hell, if he's using a hacked account I'll tag him myself, but that's not the reason TMAN gave.

Please try studying the issue once and get to a conclusion which would give justice. I in no way tried to do any scams here still I have been accused for that and also got a red trust. As you already see I had some bad time with crypto and thought of putting end to it and lost some of the previous stuff. But that does not mean my account is hacked. Lauda is just trying to drag me in some accusations for which she could get a red on my profile. But please try to check my work I am working very clearly as a bounty manager and try to keep my work as clean and helpful the the forum as I can.

[suchmoon]

that does not mean my account is hacked

Did you buy it then? How else would you explain such stark differences between 2014, 2017, and 2018, and the gaps? And the inability to sign a message or even post on tumblr?

Each of these can probably be explained separately with some sort of excuse. But put together it doesn't make any sense that you could be the original owner of the account.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Please try studying the issue once and get to a conclusion which would give justice. I in no way tried to do any scams here

I did study your post history and concluded that you're not the original owner of the account.  That means you either bought it or hacked it, and all of the early trusts are thus invalid.  You have an older account with a lot of positive trust that you didn't earn, and that's dishonest.  People who check your trust wall think they're dealing with the member who owned the account in 2014, but that clearly isn't the case.

This is an excellent example of why I don't trust account sellers and sold accounts.  Can you imagine the havoc it would wreak here if someone got their hands on a DT account and started to leverage that trust in order to scam?  That's not the case with you, but do the thought experiment yourself.  That's just one of the problems with account sales.  You most definitely deserve the red trust.

[Rambotnic]

I will try to keep it short same as my pm to you.
Your negative feedback in my profile was in the same time as Lauda's and owlcatz and i believe because of their words.
After conversation with them, they removed the negative feedback from my profile.

But let's keep it straight.
I know its not the right thing to post but i will give it a try.
I know we had quarrels but that's why people communicate and they have different view point, to not agree with each other.
You said bad things about me which in most cases were not right, and i said things about you which in most cases were not right.
Depends on the view point both of us were not right.
People should respect each other and be good instead of bad, because being a bad is always the most easy way.
I am here to tell you that i removed the negative feedback from your profile, no matter it means nothing to you.
I am human and i do realize my mistakes which i will not repeat in future.
People do deserve their second chance and im giving you mine no matter you care about it or no.
Also i would like to say i am sorry for going to far with the quarrels and that was not the right way.
If you like to remove the negative feedback from my profile, feel free to, i do not force you, but i believe we all do deserve second chance.
People should leave some negative things in the past and move forward for better.
Do whatever you wish to do, just know that i feel sorry for saying and doing things which i may not be totally right about you.
Now my conscience is clean.
If you want to do the same, feel free to, if not, thanks for reading this useless spam.

[TMAN]

I will try to keep it short same as my pm to you.
Your negative feedback in my profile was in the same time as Lauda's and owlcatz and i believe because of their words.
After conversation with them, they removed the negative feedback from my profile.

But let's keep it straight.
I know its not the right thing to post but i will give it a try.
I know we had quarrels but that's why people communicate and they have different view point, to not agree with each other.
You said bad things about me which in most cases were not right, and i said things about you which in most cases were not right.
Depends on the view point both of us were not right.
People should respect each other and be good instead of bad, because being a bad is always the most easy way.
I am here to tell you that i removed the negative feedback from your profile, no matter it means nothing to you.
I am human and i do realize my mistakes which i will not repeat in future.
People do deserve their second chance and im giving you mine no matter you care about it or no.
Also i would like to say i am sorry for going to far with the quarrels and that was not the right way.
If you like to remove the negative feedback from my profile, feel free to, i do not force you, but i believe we all do deserve second chance.
People should leave some negative things in the past and move forward for better.
Do whatever you wish to do, just know that i feel sorry for saying and doing things which i may not be totally right about you.
Now my conscience is clean.
If you want to do the same, feel free to, if not, thanks for reading this useless spam.

You threatened me in PM with bodily harm etc etc mr keyboard warrior “I am the real police” do you want me to post them all? Your conscience shouldn’t be clean you are an evil little man

[Rambotnic]

I will try to keep it short same as my pm to you.
Your negative feedback in my profile was in the same time as Lauda's and owlcatz and i believe because of their words.
After conversation with them, they removed the negative feedback from my profile.

But let's keep it straight.
I know its not the right thing to post but i will give it a try.
I know we had quarrels but that's why people communicate and they have different view point, to not agree with each other.
You said bad things about me which in most cases were not right, and i said things about you which in most cases were not right.
Depends on the view point both of us were not right.
People should respect each other and be good instead of bad, because being a bad is always the most easy way.
I am here to tell you that i removed the negative feedback from your profile, no matter it means nothing to you.
I am human and i do realize my mistakes which i will not repeat in future.
People do deserve their second chance and im giving you mine no matter you care about it or no.
Also i would like to say i am sorry for going to far with the quarrels and that was not the right way.
If you like to remove the negative feedback from my profile, feel free to, i do not force you, but i believe we all do deserve second chance.
People should leave some negative things in the past and move forward for better.
Do whatever you wish to do, just know that i feel sorry for saying and doing things which i may not be totally right about you.
Now my conscience is clean.
If you want to do the same, feel free to, if not, thanks for reading this useless spam.

You threatened me in PM with bodily harm etc etc mr keyboard warrior “I am the real police” do you want me to post them all? Your conscience shouldn’t be clean you are an evil little man

I know what i pmed you, and we both know i am the real police. And yes my conscience is clean, if you don't give people second chances that's your own problem.
I said what i wanted to say.
I don't decline saying what i pmed you.
It was over react against your words and actions.
Don't forget who start it And for sure that wasn't me.

[tmfp]

This is going well.

[TMAN]

This is going well.

1st day... might get better for those who are tagged. In all likelihood not though, Figure these people need a chance to air any issues with me and better here than a shit ton of threads

[suchmoon]

Rambotnic's rating looks weird to me. One negative and one positive, so the total should be zero I think. Yet it's showing as -1. Is it because of my own neutral?

Don't forget who start it And for sure that wasn't me.

JFC... this is not kindergarten, have some dignity.

[tmfp]

This is going well.

1st day... might get better for those who are tagged. In all likelihood not though, Figure these people need a chance to air any issues with me and better here than a shit ton of threads

Absolutely agree with your logic.
I'm not taking advantage of my shiny new DT status to post one liners, or desperately searching for 1 merit to get me to 1200-nice round number, but you may notice, here and there, clumsy attempts at humor coming from my direction in threads to do with Default Trust.
There's a lot of energy floating around at the mo as people suss the new Status Quo and I think it's important that people don't get too mouth frothy.
It's only a game, after all. (No exclusions pls for comparing DT to a game. I was referring to something far less important: life.)


Edit: Hahaha, I don't know whether you gave me that merit for the right reasons...
 

[Rambotnic]

Rambotnic's rating looks weird to me. One negative and one positive, so the total should be zero I think. Yet it's showing as -1. Is it because of my own neutral?

Don't forget who start it And for sure that wasn't me.

JFC... this is not kindergarten, have some dignity.

I have dignity, the same allow me to accept my mistakes, apologize and move on.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Rambotnic's rating looks weird to me. One negative and one positive, so the total should be zero I think. Yet it's showing as -1. Is it because of my own neutral?

-1 is the correct number. He gets -2 for his single negative feedback, and +1 for his single positive feedback. You can follow the calculation from theymos' code:

I also completely changed the trust score algorithm to this:

Code:

if there are no negative ratings
	score = 0
	for each rating, oldest to newest
		if this rater has already been counted
			continue
		score += min(10, round_up(months since rating))
else
	score = unique_positive - 2^(unique_negative)
	if score >= 0
		start_time = time of first negative
		score = unique_positive since start_time - unique_negative since start_time
		if(score < 0)
			return ??? (orange)
			
move score to range [-9999,9999]
return score

I usually just try to exchange my crypto to fiat and don't intend to store much of it on a single address and private keys.

I'm just not buying that I'm afraid. The address quoted above "you" used for a period of several months, and if you look at "your" post history, made several trades and sent bitcoin to several other forum users. You certainly didn't exchange it all to fiat as you are claiming. Still, there other two other addresses used in 2014 by that account - if you can sign from any of them your red trust will disappear.

1JywwXphRygZ42KPvP7qtQYccXM2L8hpTu

1JmTGwncb1uUZ9xP5SK8zni4wKxgU56M7B

1CaaSJtbAJ7jBaHTpUyKDUcHs4bwHUSXbe

[suchmoon]

Rambotnic's rating looks weird to me. One negative and one positive, so the total should be zero I think. Yet it's showing as -1. Is it because of my own neutral?

-1 is the correct number. He gets -2 for his single negative feedback, and +1 for his single positive feedback. You can follow the calculation from theymos' code:

You're right. The counter-rating only works if there were prior positives (or he needs two counters).

[bill gator]

Am I allowed to use this thread to request information (bitch) about your exclusion of me from your trust list? Seems relevant to trust/reputation/tags. I am rather curious, because I was under the impression there was a mutual respect between us, which certainly doesn't mean I belong on your trust list, but surely it should carry some weight with my request for explanation. If this is a conversation you don't want to have here, I'll delete this post (or you can, self-modded ) and accommodate that happily.

I'm not upset, and I wouldn't ask you to change it until I fully understand it and am sure I disagree. I'm always seeking to better myself, so in your opinion why should I be excluded from your trust network?

[Lauda]

Am I allowed to use this thread to request information (bitch) about your exclusion of me from your trust list?

Maybe it has something to do with your trust list (this has caused exclusions and/or sent ratings). Have you reviewed it recently?

[bill gator]

Maybe it has something to do with your trust list (this has caused exclusions and/or sent ratings). Have you reviewed it recently?

I have been updating it whenever I can think of a change to make; it has been difficult and is a work-in-progress. New information is always being presented/processed, and admittedly I can't keep track of all the dynamics around here.
I am always open to suggestions and new information. That's the purpose of me contacting TMAN for an explanation.

[Foxpup]

Am I allowed to use this thread to request information (bitch) about your exclusion of me from your trust list?

I for one would much prefer that you did, instead of doing so via PM, which in the interests of transparency I am going to post here:

Hello foxpup, I've noticed you're excluding me from your trust-list and I'm wondering if you would be willing to provide me with an explanation? Thanks for your time either way, have a good one.

I don't approve of these backdoor shenanigans; they invite accusations of trust manipulation. Did you PM owlcatz too? (And why do you even care about my exclusions anyway? I'm only DT2.)

[suchmoon]

I have been updating it whenever I can think of a change to make; it has been difficult and is a work-in-progress. New information is always being presented/processed, and admittedly I can't keep track of all the dynamics around here.
I am always open to suggestions and new information. That's the purpose of me contacting TMAN for an explanation.

Are you contacting your every inclusion and exclusion as you're doing them, and present them with specific reasons for these changes?

[bill gator]

I don't approve of these backdoor shenanigans;

Approaching somebody to ask them why they distrust you in private, rather than making a song and dance about it is something you consider backdoor shenanigans? You either misinterpret the situation or are extremely paranoid.

Did you PM owlcatz too?

Yes. As far as I know there are only 3-people excluding me and I have asked each of them why that is. I'm much more curious about owlcatz and TMAN's exclusion of myself than I am about you; I have had positive interactions with both of them and have never even run into you. That comes with a different set of questions, but as far as I know you don't have your own thread regarding your trust/reputation/ratings, do you?

(And why do you even care about my exclusions anyway? I'm only DT2.)

I don't care about your DT status... I'm just wondering why someone I have never talked to or given any reason to distrust me would distrust me. It's not something I care about in any meaningful capacity, but I am interested in a reason if you'll provide one.

Are you contacting your every inclusion and exclusion as you're doing them, and present them with specific reasons for these changes?

No, but if someone is interested in that I would be happy to discuss it. In fact, I recently have just added you suchmoon. Would you care for an explanation? It feels weird that I've been scrutinized multiple times for asking for an explanation regarding my exclusions. I can understand not trusting someone for various reasons, but explicit distrust of them would seem to have been provoked by an action or behavior of the individual.

[suchmoon]

Are you contacting your every inclusion and exclusion as you're doing them, and present them with specific reasons for these changes?

No, but if someone is interested in that I would be happy to discuss it. In fact, I recently have just added you suchmoon. Would you care for an explanation? It feels weird that I've been scrutinized multiple times for asking for an explanation regarding my exclusions. I can understand not trusting someone for various reasons, but explicit distrust of them would seem to have been provoked by an action of behavior of the individual.

It's all right, I think we've come to a conclusion in the other thread that we disagree on the significance of these actions

[Foxpup]

Approaching somebody to ask them why they distrust you in private, rather than making a song and dance about it is something you consider backdoor shenanigans? You either misinterpret the situation or are extremely paranoid.

It sounds suspiciously like you're trying to quietly gather information on how to get included on more people's trust lists. I don't believe I'm extremely paranoid; just slightly-above-averagely paranoid.

I'm just wondering why someone I have never talked to or given any reason to distrust me would distrust me. It's not something I care about in any meaningful capacity, but I am interested in a reason if you'll provide one.

Excluding you from my trust list does not (necessarily) mean that I distrust you, or that I harbour any resentment or ill-will toward you. It simply means that I believe you are a sufficiently poor judge of character that your own trust list and feedback are meaningless to me, and therefore to be excluded. This is not a moral judgement, but a pragmatic one. Due to my aforementioned paranoia, I will not be more specific than that.

[bill gator]

It sounds suspiciously like you're trying to quietly gather information on how to get included on more people's trust lists. I don't believe I'm extremely paranoid; just slightly-above-averagely paranoid.

Nothing wrong with being a little more paranoid than average. I’m the same way given the proper circumstance. I understand why you might perceive it that way. For what it is worth, that is not my intention. My goal is to hear some criticism of myself that I may be blind to so that I can make improvements. I respect the opinion of these people and we are a community.

Excluding you from my trust list does not (necessarily) mean that I distrust you, or that I harbour any resentment or ill-will toward you. It simply means that I believe you are a sufficiently poor judge of character that your own trust list and feedback are meaningless to me, and therefore to be excluded. This is not a moral judgement, but a pragmatic one. Due to my aforementioned paranoia, I will not be more specific than that.

I’ll take that into consideration. Thanks for the clarification.

[TMAN]

(bitch)

You got that bit right, So I didn't even know who you are till someone mentioned you in a slack group (I haven't been that active in collectibles over the last few months due to ongoing projects) and I noticed that you had swallowed a thesaurus and had the annoying habit of  posting 321 words when only 4 would suffice - now not saying you are a shitposting Pajeet - but it was pretty close to it. IIRC I called you out on it once, that was enough for me to think that you do not deserve to be on DT and it seems to me that some other members also think along those lines.

Now I am in a situation where you sent me a PM (and other members who had excluded you) and come in this thread acting like the fat bird I drunkenly shagged once and keep pestering me for more of the TMAN D, It has to be said you are a little creepy dude, coming across as FAR too keen to be on DT. That being said, its not as if I believe you are a scammer or that I am 100% correct in my judgement although threatening a retaliatory exclusion is rather pathetic, so ill reference the fat bird in a bar and tell you to go home and have a strum and I may come back to have a little action in the future, but please stop banging on about it.

Don't take it personally, chill out and lets see what happens.

[bill gator]

I do love that TMAN D.

I have no desire to be on DT. There is no intention of retaliatiory exclusion(s). All I am meaning to do is request an explanation to see if there could be something learned from the event. No offense has been taken, but I appreciate you giving me your side of things. Helps me to see things more clearly. Have a good one TMAN