TMAN's thread for bitching about my tags.

[petestheman]

Then I would think that TMAN's feedback ought to say something different instead of how it reads now.  Hell, if he's using a hacked account I'll tag him myself, but that's not the reason TMAN gave.

Please try studying the issue once and get to a conclusion which would give justice. I in no way tried to do any scams here still I have been accused for that and also got a red trust. As you already see I had some bad time with crypto and thought of putting end to it and lost some of the previous stuff. But that does not mean my account is hacked. Lauda is just trying to drag me in some accusations for which she could get a red on my profile. But please try to check my work I am working very clearly as a bounty manager and try to keep my work as clean and helpful the the forum as I can.

[suchmoon]

that does not mean my account is hacked

Did you buy it then? How else would you explain such stark differences between 2014, 2017, and 2018, and the gaps? And the inability to sign a message or even post on tumblr?

Each of these can probably be explained separately with some sort of excuse. But put together it doesn't make any sense that you could be the original owner of the account.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Please try studying the issue once and get to a conclusion which would give justice. I in no way tried to do any scams here

I did study your post history and concluded that you're not the original owner of the account.  That means you either bought it or hacked it, and all of the early trusts are thus invalid.  You have an older account with a lot of positive trust that you didn't earn, and that's dishonest.  People who check your trust wall think they're dealing with the member who owned the account in 2014, but that clearly isn't the case.

This is an excellent example of why I don't trust account sellers and sold accounts.  Can you imagine the havoc it would wreak here if someone got their hands on a DT account and started to leverage that trust in order to scam?  That's not the case with you, but do the thought experiment yourself.  That's just one of the problems with account sales.  You most definitely deserve the red trust.

[Rambotnic]

I will try to keep it short same as my pm to you.
Your negative feedback in my profile was in the same time as Lauda's and owlcatz and i believe because of their words.
After conversation with them, they removed the negative feedback from my profile.

But let's keep it straight.
I know its not the right thing to post but i will give it a try.
I know we had quarrels but that's why people communicate and they have different view point, to not agree with each other.
You said bad things about me which in most cases were not right, and i said things about you which in most cases were not right.
Depends on the view point both of us were not right.
People should respect each other and be good instead of bad, because being a bad is always the most easy way.
I am here to tell you that i removed the negative feedback from your profile, no matter it means nothing to you.
I am human and i do realize my mistakes which i will not repeat in future.
People do deserve their second chance and im giving you mine no matter you care about it or no.
Also i would like to say i am sorry for going to far with the quarrels and that was not the right way.
If you like to remove the negative feedback from my profile, feel free to, i do not force you, but i believe we all do deserve second chance.
People should leave some negative things in the past and move forward for better.
Do whatever you wish to do, just know that i feel sorry for saying and doing things which i may not be totally right about you.
Now my conscience is clean.
If you want to do the same, feel free to, if not, thanks for reading this useless spam.

[TMAN]

I will try to keep it short same as my pm to you.
Your negative feedback in my profile was in the same time as Lauda's and owlcatz and i believe because of their words.
After conversation with them, they removed the negative feedback from my profile.

But let's keep it straight.
I know its not the right thing to post but i will give it a try.
I know we had quarrels but that's why people communicate and they have different view point, to not agree with each other.
You said bad things about me which in most cases were not right, and i said things about you which in most cases were not right.
Depends on the view point both of us were not right.
People should respect each other and be good instead of bad, because being a bad is always the most easy way.
I am here to tell you that i removed the negative feedback from your profile, no matter it means nothing to you.
I am human and i do realize my mistakes which i will not repeat in future.
People do deserve their second chance and im giving you mine no matter you care about it or no.
Also i would like to say i am sorry for going to far with the quarrels and that was not the right way.
If you like to remove the negative feedback from my profile, feel free to, i do not force you, but i believe we all do deserve second chance.
People should leave some negative things in the past and move forward for better.
Do whatever you wish to do, just know that i feel sorry for saying and doing things which i may not be totally right about you.
Now my conscience is clean.
If you want to do the same, feel free to, if not, thanks for reading this useless spam.

You threatened me in PM with bodily harm etc etc mr keyboard warrior “I am the real police” do you want me to post them all? Your conscience shouldn’t be clean you are an evil little man

[Rambotnic]

I will try to keep it short same as my pm to you.
Your negative feedback in my profile was in the same time as Lauda's and owlcatz and i believe because of their words.
After conversation with them, they removed the negative feedback from my profile.

But let's keep it straight.
I know its not the right thing to post but i will give it a try.
I know we had quarrels but that's why people communicate and they have different view point, to not agree with each other.
You said bad things about me which in most cases were not right, and i said things about you which in most cases were not right.
Depends on the view point both of us were not right.
People should respect each other and be good instead of bad, because being a bad is always the most easy way.
I am here to tell you that i removed the negative feedback from your profile, no matter it means nothing to you.
I am human and i do realize my mistakes which i will not repeat in future.
People do deserve their second chance and im giving you mine no matter you care about it or no.
Also i would like to say i am sorry for going to far with the quarrels and that was not the right way.
If you like to remove the negative feedback from my profile, feel free to, i do not force you, but i believe we all do deserve second chance.
People should leave some negative things in the past and move forward for better.
Do whatever you wish to do, just know that i feel sorry for saying and doing things which i may not be totally right about you.
Now my conscience is clean.
If you want to do the same, feel free to, if not, thanks for reading this useless spam.

You threatened me in PM with bodily harm etc etc mr keyboard warrior “I am the real police” do you want me to post them all? Your conscience shouldn’t be clean you are an evil little man

I know what i pmed you, and we both know i am the real police. And yes my conscience is clean, if you don't give people second chances that's your own problem.
I said what i wanted to say.
I don't decline saying what i pmed you.
It was over react against your words and actions.
Don't forget who start it And for sure that wasn't me.

[tmfp]

This is going well.

[TMAN]

This is going well.

1st day... might get better for those who are tagged. In all likelihood not though, Figure these people need a chance to air any issues with me and better here than a shit ton of threads

[suchmoon]

Rambotnic's rating looks weird to me. One negative and one positive, so the total should be zero I think. Yet it's showing as -1. Is it because of my own neutral?

Don't forget who start it And for sure that wasn't me.

JFC... this is not kindergarten, have some dignity.

[tmfp]

This is going well.

1st day... might get better for those who are tagged. In all likelihood not though, Figure these people need a chance to air any issues with me and better here than a shit ton of threads

Absolutely agree with your logic.
I'm not taking advantage of my shiny new DT status to post one liners, or desperately searching for 1 merit to get me to 1200-nice round number, but you may notice, here and there, clumsy attempts at humor coming from my direction in threads to do with Default Trust.
There's a lot of energy floating around at the mo as people suss the new Status Quo and I think it's important that people don't get too mouth frothy.
It's only a game, after all. (No exclusions pls for comparing DT to a game. I was referring to something far less important: life.)


Edit: Hahaha, I don't know whether you gave me that merit for the right reasons...
 

[Rambotnic]

Rambotnic's rating looks weird to me. One negative and one positive, so the total should be zero I think. Yet it's showing as -1. Is it because of my own neutral?

Don't forget who start it And for sure that wasn't me.

JFC... this is not kindergarten, have some dignity.

I have dignity, the same allow me to accept my mistakes, apologize and move on.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Rambotnic's rating looks weird to me. One negative and one positive, so the total should be zero I think. Yet it's showing as -1. Is it because of my own neutral?

-1 is the correct number. He gets -2 for his single negative feedback, and +1 for his single positive feedback. You can follow the calculation from theymos' code:

I also completely changed the trust score algorithm to this:

Code:

if there are no negative ratings
	score = 0
	for each rating, oldest to newest
		if this rater has already been counted
			continue
		score += min(10, round_up(months since rating))
else
	score = unique_positive - 2^(unique_negative)
	if score >= 0
		start_time = time of first negative
		score = unique_positive since start_time - unique_negative since start_time
		if(score < 0)
			return ??? (orange)
			
move score to range [-9999,9999]
return score

I usually just try to exchange my crypto to fiat and don't intend to store much of it on a single address and private keys.

I'm just not buying that I'm afraid. The address quoted above "you" used for a period of several months, and if you look at "your" post history, made several trades and sent bitcoin to several other forum users. You certainly didn't exchange it all to fiat as you are claiming. Still, there other two other addresses used in 2014 by that account - if you can sign from any of them your red trust will disappear.

1JywwXphRygZ42KPvP7qtQYccXM2L8hpTu

1JmTGwncb1uUZ9xP5SK8zni4wKxgU56M7B

1CaaSJtbAJ7jBaHTpUyKDUcHs4bwHUSXbe

[suchmoon]

Rambotnic's rating looks weird to me. One negative and one positive, so the total should be zero I think. Yet it's showing as -1. Is it because of my own neutral?

-1 is the correct number. He gets -2 for his single negative feedback, and +1 for his single positive feedback. You can follow the calculation from theymos' code:

You're right. The counter-rating only works if there were prior positives (or he needs two counters).

[bill gator]

Am I allowed to use this thread to request information (bitch) about your exclusion of me from your trust list? Seems relevant to trust/reputation/tags. I am rather curious, because I was under the impression there was a mutual respect between us, which certainly doesn't mean I belong on your trust list, but surely it should carry some weight with my request for explanation. If this is a conversation you don't want to have here, I'll delete this post (or you can, self-modded ) and accommodate that happily.

I'm not upset, and I wouldn't ask you to change it until I fully understand it and am sure I disagree. I'm always seeking to better myself, so in your opinion why should I be excluded from your trust network?

[Lauda]

Am I allowed to use this thread to request information (bitch) about your exclusion of me from your trust list?

Maybe it has something to do with your trust list (this has caused exclusions and/or sent ratings). Have you reviewed it recently?

[bill gator]

Maybe it has something to do with your trust list (this has caused exclusions and/or sent ratings). Have you reviewed it recently?

I have been updating it whenever I can think of a change to make; it has been difficult and is a work-in-progress. New information is always being presented/processed, and admittedly I can't keep track of all the dynamics around here.
I am always open to suggestions and new information. That's the purpose of me contacting TMAN for an explanation.

[Foxpup]

Am I allowed to use this thread to request information (bitch) about your exclusion of me from your trust list?

I for one would much prefer that you did, instead of doing so via PM, which in the interests of transparency I am going to post here:

Hello foxpup, I've noticed you're excluding me from your trust-list and I'm wondering if you would be willing to provide me with an explanation? Thanks for your time either way, have a good one.

I don't approve of these backdoor shenanigans; they invite accusations of trust manipulation. Did you PM owlcatz too? (And why do you even care about my exclusions anyway? I'm only DT2.)

[suchmoon]

I have been updating it whenever I can think of a change to make; it has been difficult and is a work-in-progress. New information is always being presented/processed, and admittedly I can't keep track of all the dynamics around here.
I am always open to suggestions and new information. That's the purpose of me contacting TMAN for an explanation.

Are you contacting your every inclusion and exclusion as you're doing them, and present them with specific reasons for these changes?

[bill gator]

I don't approve of these backdoor shenanigans;

Approaching somebody to ask them why they distrust you in private, rather than making a song and dance about it is something you consider backdoor shenanigans? You either misinterpret the situation or are extremely paranoid.

Did you PM owlcatz too?

Yes. As far as I know there are only 3-people excluding me and I have asked each of them why that is. I'm much more curious about owlcatz and TMAN's exclusion of myself than I am about you; I have had positive interactions with both of them and have never even run into you. That comes with a different set of questions, but as far as I know you don't have your own thread regarding your trust/reputation/ratings, do you?

(And why do you even care about my exclusions anyway? I'm only DT2.)

I don't care about your DT status... I'm just wondering why someone I have never talked to or given any reason to distrust me would distrust me. It's not something I care about in any meaningful capacity, but I am interested in a reason if you'll provide one.

Are you contacting your every inclusion and exclusion as you're doing them, and present them with specific reasons for these changes?

No, but if someone is interested in that I would be happy to discuss it. In fact, I recently have just added you suchmoon. Would you care for an explanation? It feels weird that I've been scrutinized multiple times for asking for an explanation regarding my exclusions. I can understand not trusting someone for various reasons, but explicit distrust of them would seem to have been provoked by an action or behavior of the individual.

[suchmoon]

Are you contacting your every inclusion and exclusion as you're doing them, and present them with specific reasons for these changes?

No, but if someone is interested in that I would be happy to discuss it. In fact, I recently have just added you suchmoon. Would you care for an explanation? It feels weird that I've been scrutinized multiple times for asking for an explanation regarding my exclusions. I can understand not trusting someone for various reasons, but explicit distrust of them would seem to have been provoked by an action of behavior of the individual.

It's all right, I think we've come to a conclusion in the other thread that we disagree on the significance of these actions