Ban Appeal RegulusHr and discussion on topic "good for the forum as a whole".

[Lauda]

Is any moderator or mister Theymos going to take second or first look on this case?
Or we are just talking to a wall here?

Now is going to be worse. If forum moderators accept this appeal and unban RegulusHr account, then opens the possibility for new discussions with contradiction like this. it is not to be expected to happen. I can assume confusion if there was more ban appeal positive solved.

What are you on about? Many people got unbanned for various reasons, including for what OP got banned.

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[guigui371]

Hey Regulus,
I didnt check the full 11 pages of this thread that was started more than 12 months ago.
according to the first page you have a very good support from your community.

However, I looked at all your "posts" (you only have 6 ) and couldn't find a post explaining why you are "good for the forum".

Surely you could write a post, spend like 2h to find things you have done, post evidence,  give links, write an appology and ask for an Admin to review your case.
Having croatian friends vouching for you is one thing, but showing that you care about your account and make things right is another thing.

Have a look at this topic, and check the type of information people that got the ban lifted had to write : ✅[BAN APPEAL]UPDATE: Total table + Ban status (Need feedback from Global mods)


you have been banned for 1 year, which is more than most of the temp ban they give nowaday, surely if build your case, they might be able to look at your case one more time. But you need to show that you are worth unbanning.

Regards

[Daniel91]

Is any moderator or mister Theymos going to take second or first look on this case?
Or we are just talking to a wall here?

Now is going to be worse. If forum moderators accept this appeal and unban RegulusHr account, then opens the possibility for new discussions with contradiction like this. it is not to be expected to happen. I can assume confusion if there was more ban appeal positive solved.
btw. is anyone in touch with Regulus, does he have the desire to come back to the forum after 15 months?

I just talked with Regulus on whatsapp and can confirm that he still have desire to come back to the forum and to write posts.

[logfiles]

Now is going to be worse. If forum moderators accept this appeal and unban RegulusHr account, then opens the possibility for new discussions with contradiction like this. it is not to be expected to happen. I can assume confusion if there was more ban appeal positive solved.
btw. is anyone in touch with Regulus, does he have the desire to come back to the forum after 15 months?

It would be a much better scenario than it is right now because some members are already wondering about the criteria being used to determine someone who should remain permabanned and one who should be banned as some controversial members have already been unbanned.

We have members who made sizable contributions around here get unbanned in the past, but the situation didn't raise any dust at all so if RegulusHr got unbanned. It would be for the better 

[Lauda]

However, I looked at all your "posts" (you only have 6 ) and couldn't find a post explaining why you are "good for the forum".

This is his account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1163424. Please read the original post properly before you post to earn sig. money. 

[Lucius]

I just talked with Regulus on whatsapp and can confirm that he still have desire to come back to the forum and to write posts.

That's a good news, so I ask those who can resolve this situation to take action and treat all members as equals - give man a second chance.

Just one example of how ban appeal is resolved in less than 60 minutes after is posted :

Ban Appeal for over 5-year old account

[Lauda]

I just talked with Regulus on whatsapp and can confirm that he still have desire to come back to the forum and to write posts.

That's a good news, so I ask those who can resolve this situation to take action and treat all members as equals - give man a second chance.

Just one example of how ban appeal is resolved in less than 60 minutes after is posted :

Ban Appeal for over 5-year old account

The more is presented, the more is the staff's bias becoming obvious. 

[big_daddy]

I think that we will see RegulusHr back on forum, after a few quiet months, now I can see a light at the end of this tunnel

[Lauda]

I think that we will see RegulusHr back on forum, after a few quiet months, now I can see a light at the end of this tunnel

Correct. I have changed my mind and removed my rating when I have seen other cases that were unbanned. RegulusHr is an extraordinary member when compared to those.

[cryptofrka]

Correct. I have changed my mind and removed my rating when I have seen other cases that were unbanned. RegulusHr is an extraordinary member when compared to those.

Thank you for the first positive step towards resolving this issue. We are claiming exactly the same for a really long period.

It would really be appreciated if one of the mods would look into this situation, Regulus was finally pardoned and was given the opportunity to be a part of our Local again.

[Pmalek]

I have changed my mind and removed my rating...

And I merited you (not that you need it but anyways) because you did. Swing by our local forum when you have some time to kill, could be fun.
We were recently surprised when Lucius revealed to us that he is a Balkaneros. Nobody expected it.

Cheers! 

[guigui371]

However, I looked at all your "posts" (you only have 6 ) and couldn't find a post explaining why you are "good for the forum".

This is his account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1163424. Please read the original post properly before you post to earn sig. money.  

@lauda
I was referring to his "alt account" that only has 6 posts, none of them is a lengthy post showing that  "he is good as whole for the forum".
Even the Orignial Post isn't a great appeal as per say.
see here : all messages by ReguluHr-alt

If you re-read my message you would see that I did read the first page, (including the fact that more than one message was found, but didnt write it) I acknowledge that the Croatian community is behind him, and I do give genuine advices, provide a link to successful appeal and encourage his to fight his case by showing that he care for his account. I also didn't write that I voted "yes".  
My point was that he had to "demonstrate" that he was good as a whole for the forum.

A little bit too much work for just a sig message.  


So my advice, is to write a an appeal post using this template (ChiBitCTY vs BAN  helped by yogg) :

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

As theymos suggested, here is my case about a member of the forum who got his account permanently banned for plagiarism.
It is ChiBitCTy. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=904524)

Yes, he broke some forum rules, and has been banned for ~10 months now.
However, I believe that this user is very different from most of the profiles that are permanently banned for plagiarism.

Here is why I think that, and also why I think that having him back would be a good action for the forum, in a few point.


1) ChiBitCTy is a trusted trader

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2) ChiBitCTy is still active

~snip~

3) ChiBitCTy organized charity events

~snip~


4) ChiBitCTy helped bust scams and warn users

~snip~

5) ChiBitCTy didn't break any more forum rule

~snip~

For all the reasons above, I believe that pros outweight cons in that case, ~SNIP~

Thank you for reading that thread and for considering to lift his ban, please.

@lauda,  so is my message enough on point or is it still just a sig message ?  


Edit :
@marlboroza  whatever dude, all I am saying is that he has to show that he wants it back, not his friends. And in all of his 6 posts with the appeal account, he hasn't shown anything.

[marlboroza]

So my advice, is to write a an appeal post using this template (ChiBitCTY vs BAN  helped by yogg) :

Stop spamming this topic and read previous page.

I just talked with Regulus on whatsapp and can confirm that he still have desire to come back to the forum and to write posts.

That's a good news, so I ask those who can resolve this situation to take action and treat all members as equals - give man a second chance.

Just one example of how ban appeal is resolved in less than 60 minutes after is posted :

Ban Appeal for over 5-year old account

The more is presented, the more is the staff's bias becoming obvious.  

Did RegulusHr kill someone so he can't get second chance like some other accounts?

WTF if going on? My reports are still unhandled and one of accounts mentioned in previous post is free to spam:

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nice!

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 really good!

I mean, what the fuck?

[Lauda]

However, I looked at all your "posts" (you only have 6 ) and couldn't find a post explaining why you are "good for the forum".

This is his account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1163424. Please read the original post properly before you post to earn sig. money.  

@lauda
I was referring to his "alt account" that only has 6 posts, none of them is a lengthy post showing that  "he is good as whole for the forum".
Even the Orignial Post isn't a great appeal as per say.
see here : all messages by ReguluHr-alt

Who the hell cares whether the alt account is good or not? What is wrong with you? It was created only to make the appeal. You should not even look at the alts posts.

[Daniel91]

The main problem in this case is the disparity of the criteria and not whether Regulus has sufficiently justified his request for forgiveness.
Theymos explained the procedure and criteria for the removal of permaban and Regulus followed this procedure 100%.
However, for the full 15 months he received no reply which is not acceptable and also not ok from a human point of view.
On the other hand, for some members, who have made even more mistakes, permaban was very quickly removed.
Some members had their permaban resolved in a matter of hours and some members didn't even have to open a ban appeal topic here and follow the prescribed procedure to get a permaban forgiveness.
As a result, members of the Croatian community are very disappointed, not with permaban because it was fully deserved, but with the response of admins on the forum,  because they didn't fully follow the procedures and rules  which they have set themselves.
Mr. Theymos, it's not too late, even after 15 months, to correct all errors made in this case, give Regulus the same opportunity as others, follow your own rules and procedures and make a fair decision.
All members of this forum community will respect you if you do the only right thing here, finally, after 15 months consider this case  and finally answer Regulus.
This is a request from a large number of members of this forum and I hope you will accept it.

[dkbit98]

I would also like to invite other DT members to examine facts posted in this topic.
Regular members and DT members are making this forum, not just moderators and creator, with all due respect.
Voice of the members must be heard.

[Daniel91]

I would also like to invite other DT members to examine facts posted in this topic.
Regular members and DT members are making this forum, not just moderators and creator, with all due respect.
Voice of the members must be heard.

Personally, I think that already many members expressed their opinion here and shared their disagreement with the decisions of the admins and the moderators.
As you said, ''Regular members and DT members are making this forum, not just moderators and creator,'' but obviously admins and moderators don't want to listen and accept the opinions of forum members.
They don't even want to answer Regulushr's unban appeal, reconsider this case or answer many questions from members in this topic.
I assume they're waiting for this topic to die naturally, so that admins would not have to make a decision that would set a dangerous precedent for them.
I understant it but I'm very sorry that the higher interests have defeated justice here.
Justice in this case would not even be forgiveness but an admin response and a reconsideration of the case, according to the procedure and rules designated by the admins themselves for such cases.
Unfortunately, I will have to disappoint admins and moderators but this case has created a sense of great injustice throughout the Croatian community and will never be forgotten, and that means that even this topic will never be forgotten.

[Lauda]

I would also like to invite other DT members to examine facts posted in this topic.
Regular members and DT members are making this forum, not just moderators and creator, with all due respect.
Voice of the members must be heard.

Personally, I think that already many members expressed their opinion here and shared their disagreement with the decisions of the admins and the moderators.
As you said, ''Regular members and DT members are making this forum, not just moderators and creator,'' but obviously admins and moderators don't want to listen and accept the opinions of forum members.
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You can PM some select DT members and kindly ask them to evaluate this situation. I highly doubt that any of them are going to disagree with my or the views of others supporting the unbanning of OP.

[asche]

You can PM some select DT members and kindly ask them to evaluate this situation. I highly doubt that any of them are going to disagree with my or the views of others supporting the unbanning of OP.

Since I am following this topic for quite a while, I can confirm I don't understand the situation as well.

It is not a matter of liking Regulus or not, but a matter of applying the same measures to everyone. And either we are not being told everything, or there is an issue in the staff's objectivity. I don't see another option, and neither is acceptable imho in a spirit of transparency...

[marlboroza]

Another example. This is account which run spam service, what is worth to mention is (http://archive.is/fxT47):

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BITCOINTALK

Bumping up your ANN topic on BitcoinTalk to keep it on first page 24/7.

ACTIVITY

We post comments and initiate discussion in your Telegram group and Bitcointalk topic to imitate real user activity.

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I don't have anything to add here except that this account is not banned and he can come back and post whenever he like. It's bloody spam service! Another example is account antikvark who is evading ban btw and all he does is spreading FUD against bitcoin.

Since I am following this topic for quite a while, I can confirm I don't understand the situation as well.

I don't think anyone does.

And either we are not being told everything, or there is an issue in the staff's objectivity. I don't see another option, and neither is acceptable imho in a spirit of transparency...

Maybe he, as a merit source, sent merit to alt account or sold merit? I don't see any other logical (backing up my logic with all previous examples) explanation.