Ban Appeal RegulusHr and discussion on topic "good for the forum as a whole".

[ReguluHr-alt]

Dear Forum Admins/Moderators,
I have been a member of Bitcointalk.org forum since September 2017 and with my regular posts and participation on Croatian section of the forum, I believe, I have actively contributed to the quality of the posts on the forum. During this period, I have invested significant amount of time and effort to do so.
My belief of positive contribution has been confirmed many times by other members of the forum and what is more important by Theymos.
Therefore, I have been very unpleasantly surprised on 5th of January when I received your ban due to, as you state, „probably spam or plagiarism“.  Surprise was even bigger because on the same day I also received a thank you post and an increased amount of merit through my sources from Theymos.

After a reflection back and detailed search of my posts, done by my colleagues on the forum, one post from December 2017 was found, which was placed in ANN topic and in which I expressed support for a project. The text written was taken over from other post, since I fully agreed with it.
I would like to point out that at the time I have been a relatively new member of the forum and not yet fully aware of interpretations of all the forum rules. These rules I have learned thoroughly in the following period which is visible since after that no similar situation can be found within my posts.
Problematic post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2491104.msg25605500#msg25605500
I have to point out that this was one and only mistake we found throughout the membership period, which was not deliberate and which happened long time ago. I strongly believe that there was much more positive contribution to the forum afterwards and that the imposed ban seems as a too strict measure.
Therefore I would like to ask you to reconsider the ban and give me a chance to further take part in the forum topic I find interesting and motivating.
Best regards
RegulusHr
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1163424

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[suchmoon]

I have to point out that this was one and only mistake we found

Who's "we"?

That's an almost unprovable assertion, unless perhaps you know which posts you copied and went back and deleted them.

[Harkorede]

one post from December 2017 was found, which was placed in ANN topic and in which I expressed support for a project. The text written was taken over from other post, since I fully agreed with it.

You've admitted to have plagiarized, that wouldn't change a thing.. You could have quoted and add "I agree with this" with an additional point at least, that'd have been considered more reasonable

I would like to point out that at the time I have been a relatively new member of the forum and not yet fully aware of interpretations of all the forum rules.

I'm sorry but I would not consider that as an excuse to plagiarize neither do I think mods will, as a newbie If you do well enough to seek rules guiding the bounties you participated in and adhere strictly to them, then you should have done as well to find the rules governing the forum, which in my opinion aren't far fetched..

I'm sorry about your account tho, but the damage is irreparable..

[morvillz7z]

That's an almost unprovable assertion, unless perhaps you know which posts you copied and went back and deleted them.

I know for a fact that banned users have access to their profiles. I also thought it was in read-only mode and they cannot delete/edit posts.

Can anyone confirm they can do that post ban? If so, that's fucked up.

[Harkorede]

That's an almost unprovable assertion, unless perhaps you know which posts you copied and went back and deleted them.

I know for a fact that banned users have access to their profiles. I also thought it was in read-only mode and they cannot delete/edit posts.

Can anyone confirm they can do that post ban? If so, that's fucked up.

I think banned users can delete posts, but just can't edit them. I have read about it somewhere on meta(I think) about a similar issue of deleted post by a member after ban.

[Veleor]

@ReguluHr

I looked through the post history of your profile and have discovered that almost all of your comments in Croatian and it is difficult to judge about their quality to majority of forum users.

Nevertheless, I suppose if some reputable members from Croatian locale will confirm that you will bring more benefit to the forum if your ban would be cancelled, then the chances for successful appeal will increase possibly and you will receive a signature ban instead of a permanent ban.

I think banned users can delete posts, but just can't edit them.

I had been reading that banned members can neither delete nor edit messages. Check the comments below:

If you remove all the spam posts I'll change it to a seven day ban.

But how am I supposed to remove them as I can't change any post as a consequence of the ban?

Are you sure you can't delete them? Pretty sure you can unless theymos changed it so banned users can't remove posts.

I just checked.



As you can see in the printscreen, I am logged in (status online) but there aren't any possibilities that appear next to the post to adjust or remove them... Unless I can do it in another way?

[Daniel91]

@ReguluHr

I looked through the post history of your profile and have discovered that almost all of your comments in Croatian and it is difficult to judge about their quality to majority of forum users.

Nevertheless, I suppose if some reputable members from Croatian locale will confirm that you will bring more benefit to the forum if your ban would be cancelled, then the chances for successful appeal will increase possibly and you will receive a signature ban instead of a permanent ban.

I'm member in Croatian forum and I an say that RegulusHr is well respected member in our local forum.
He was first merit source and really helped many local members to get merit for good quality posts in croatian and to advance in the forum.
He even organize first offline meeting between members in Croatia.
We really enjoyed great time in the restaurant for the dinner and sharing and he paid for it.
He is very kind member, always ready to help and support others.
We really miss him a lot and want him back!
Since he was main merit sourcer in our part of the forum, we lost also in this way.
Yes, he made one mistake but is anybody perfect here, without any mistake?
Please mods forgive his mistake and restore his account.
In the coming posts you will see great support he have among croatian members on this forum.

[suchmoon]

Can anyone confirm they can do that post ban? If so, that's fucked up.

I don't think so. It would have to be prior to the ban, which makes even less sense now that I think of it. I have no idea how it's possible to claim with such certainty that it was only ever done once.

he made one mistake

How do you know that?

[Daniel91]

How do you know that?

Because I know him personally.
He is honest and sincere person and I believe him.
I can say something like this only for a few people in my life.

[tmfp]

IF it was just that one post
IF he hasn't been ninja editing
IF he has support of the Croatian community
I wouldn't argue with leniency.

[ovcijisir]

@ReguluHr

I looked through the post history of your profile and have discovered that almost all of your comments in Croatian and it is difficult to judge about their quality to majority of forum users.

Nevertheless, I suppose if some reputable members from Croatian locale will confirm that you will bring more benefit to the forum if your ban would be cancelled, then the chances for successful appeal will increase possibly and you will receive a signature ban instead of a permanent ban.

I'm member in Croatian forum and I an say that RegulusHr is well respected member in our local forum.
He was first merit source and really helped many local members to get merit for good quality posts in croatian and to advance in the forum.
He even organize first offline meeting between members in Croatia.
We really enjoyed great time in the restaurant for the dinner and sharing and he paid for it.
He is very kind member, always ready to help and support others.
We really miss him a lot and want him back!
Since he was main merit sourcer in our part of the forum, we lost also in this way.
Yes, he made one mistake but is anybody perfect here, without any mistake?
Please mods forgive his mistake and restore his account.
In the coming posts you will see great support he have among croatian members on this forum.

I can confirm everything Daniel91 said.

RegulusHR was very active in our local board, contributing in building our Bitcointalk Croatian board on daily basis by writing high quality content and meriting good posts. He was very helpful, specially to the newbies (myself included) by helping them to make first steps in cryptocurrency world.

He was the first one to volunteer to be merit source in croatian board, and did his duty responsibly and fairly.

I personally met him twice. One time for trading (I bought cryptocurrency from him and gave him positive trust), and second time on offline meetup of local bitcointalk community that he organized and covered all expenses. I can confirm he is honest and fair offline like he is online here on forum.

Yes he made one error but I don't think we should be defined by errors in our past, but we should be judged by who we are today.

I hope that moderators and administrator will listen to the plead of Croatian Bitcointalk community and deactivate ban on RegulusHR.

[bernardos]

I am relatively new here but Regulus has been and an amazing support to anyone on the Croatian subforum. He was a merit source, the day he got banned theymos doubled his merits which i think is proof enough that he was a valuable member and trusted even by theymos. It is so sad that he made that mistake. I wish he could return because our local forum has lost a very valuable member.   

[morvillz7z]

I just had a quick look through OP's posts and found one more example of copied text, it is short (98 characters) but definitely copied as it's taken from the same topic 5 hours later.

I am loving couple of things about your project. First of all, it looks well organized and planned. Very few coins care to work within a plan. Distribution of coin is also intelligent. All the best for your project and it's success.   

I'm loving couple of things about your project. First of all, it looks well organized and planned. When I evaluate the seriousness of a project I like to see the images of people in the team and especially the link to their Linkedin profile, it gives seriousness to the whole project.

I think it's a very good move that you conditioned participation in the airdrop with writing a constructive comment or question.

As a bonus there is a third guy with the same post which I'm now going to report:

I am loving couple of things about your project. First of all, it looks well organized and planned. Very few coins care to work within a plan. Distribution of coin is also intelligent. All the best for your project and it's success.

[suchmoon]

So... only twice?

[ovcijisir]

So... only twice?

Permaban is far too rigorous punishment for members that have contributed greatly to the forum.

These errors were made long time ago and if someone deserves second chance it is RegulusHR.

I hope that his good work and engagement in Croatian community will be recognized by forum staff.

[Dzeronimo]

I have to point out that this was one and only mistake we found

Who's "we"?

That's an almost unprovable assertion, unless perhaps you know which posts you copied and went back and deleted them.

"We" are local community from Croatian subforum. We were so surprised with the fact that RegulusHr is banned that we tried to figure out what is the reason.

So, yes, he made a mistake. Twice. Who knows, maybe even more than that. But, it is very important to note that he made mistakes a long time ago.
Punishing him now is like punishing a good old man for something he did when he was a kid.

It hard to express how much we want to support him. I don't know him in person. Still, he helped me when I asked for help. He helped a stranger and had no benefit for doing that, but he did, because he is a good man. And I'm not talking about answering questions on forum. I'm not saying this just because he helped me. His is always very helpful. Also, I learned a lot from his posts and he is definitely a valuable member of our community.

The whole community from Croatian subforum will appreciate a lot if admins unban him.

[suchmoon]

So, yes, he made a mistake. Twice. Who knows, maybe even more than that. But, it is very important to note that he made mistakes a long time ago.
Punishing him now is like punishing a good old man for something he did when he was a kid.

That's a huge exaggeration. Something from year ago is not at all like something from one's childhood. I doubt the OP a year ago was a child or otherwise not fit to be held accountable for their actions.

And we're not talking crime and punishment or anything of the sort here. If one can't be bothered to put effort into pretty much the main thing one does on a forum, i.e. creating posts, then this privilege can be taken away from them.

[Branko]

So, yes, he made a mistake. Twice. Who knows, maybe even more than that. But, it is very important to note that he made mistakes a long time ago.
Punishing him now is like punishing a good old man for something he did when he was a kid.

That's a huge exaggeration. Something from year ago is not at all like something from one's childhood. I doubt the OP a year ago was a child or otherwise not fit to be held accountable for their actions.

And we're not talking crime and punishment or anything of the sort here. If one can't be bothered to put effort into pretty much the main thing one does on a forum, i.e. creating posts, then this privilege can be taken away from them.

His account was 2 months old...that would in my book be "forum childhood"
If he was banned then, he'd maybe learn it hard way, make another account and he'd now be with us, with clean account.
Banning him after so much time is more harm than good, IMHO, and to not repeat what others said, I support returning
him his account for reasons they already stated

[suchmoon]

His account was 2 months old...that would in my book be "forum childhood"
If he was banned then, he'd maybe learn it hard way, make another account and he'd now be with us, with clean account.

Ban evasion is against the rules so that's probably not helping the argument. Let's wait for TPTB to pitch in here.

[Dzeronimo]

So, yes, he made a mistake. Twice. Who knows, maybe even more than that. But, it is very important to note that he made mistakes a long time ago.
Punishing him now is like punishing a good old man for something he did when he was a kid.

That's a huge exaggeration. Something from year ago is not at all like something from one's childhood. I doubt the OP a year ago was a child or otherwise not fit to be held accountable for their actions.

And we're not talking crime and punishment or anything of the sort here. If one can't be bothered to put effort into pretty much the main thing one does on a forum, i.e. creating posts, then this privilege can be taken away from them.

My English is far from good, but for me "Newbie" and "Jr. Member", translated to the real world, would be something like "kid" and I'm not expecting from my kids to know all rules. He proved that he learned the lesson and he is not making the same mistake anymore. If he isn't banned a year ago, why not giving him a chance to continue to contribute to this community? His contribution so far was much more valuable than the "damage" he made in the past.

[Branko]

His account was 2 months old...that would in my book be "forum childhood"
If he was banned then, he'd maybe learn it hard way, make another account and he'd now be with us, with clean account.

Ban evasion is against the rules so that's probably not helping the argument. Let's wait for TPTB to pitch in here.

I reported a lot of obvious post farming posts for bounty reasons, and those people are still having
their accounts because they use software to juggle few words and evade plagiarism ban.
In my book, thats way more "ban evasive" than making another account and starting as Newbie account,
yet I still see them posting. No perfect world, I guess

[Trofo]

Nevertheless, I suppose if some reputable members from Croatian locale will confirm that you will bring more benefit to the forum if your ban would be cancelled, then the chances for successful appeal will increase possibly and you will receive a signature ban instead of a permanent ban.

Don't know if I am reputable enough, but for what it's worth I can vouch that RegulusHR has been exemplary member in the Croatian section of the forum and if it were in my power I would lift the ban and and issue a warning. My reasoning will be explained below but that is the gist of it.

I will not get in the discussion of how many post were copy/pasted in the past or try to justify that. I don't have the time to check all his early posts and it isn't that important for my decision to support him. I agree with the opinion that it was done in the past and I see it as youthful transgression (forum time, not actual years). Yes he did wrong, yes he should have known better but it was in the beginning and I can overlook it.

In the meantime RegulusHR has grown as a forum member which was even acknowledged by Theymos when he accepted his Merit Source application even though he was only Full Member. That was a "job" he performed flawlessly and I believe he is big part of the reason why Croatian section of the forum is as good as it is. I didn't see a single post he has merited without cause or single "good" post that didn't receive merit from him. This was again recognized by Theymos since he recently doubled RegulusHr merit allocation.

Croatian section is quite small and is actually the only part of the forum where I have read all the post in last year or so. I can vouch that RegulsHR post in this section are of good quality and not copy/pasted. Furthermore, he brings quality to our community even without his merit awarding ability, but as a merit source he was almost essential. I checked his latest posts a bit and it seems to me that almost all his recent post are in our local section so I believe that our opinion should have some influence on possible ban removal. Furthermore, if you randomly select few active users in Croatian section and send a pm with question if RegulusHr ban should be recalled I believe all of them would give a support to his ban appeal.

I saw that there was some confusion about "we" in OP. We stands for part of Croatian local community in this case. All of us were really surprised when this happened, and discussed it in one topic. Obviously, English is not our primary language so if some posts/sentences come up a little bit strange this could also be part of the reason.

[cryptofrka]

Let me chip in here a bit..

I joined this forum maybe a year ago, at first I didn't even know where to begin - it is so overwhelming when you first join. Millions of threads, topics, you reply on a topic and go to check answers 3 hours later and there are 7 new pages written. Therefore, I have to admit I strongly support hard stance on plagiarism because posts like these do not give any value and are basically pure spam. If we go a step further, at least 75% of these boards serve as spam boards anyway, stuff is written there only to fulfill our campaign's posts quotas. I know, I was there at the beginning, writing all kind of stupid posts with no value at all in order to get my stakes. Visiting Bitcointalk was a chore, I hated doing it and did it ONLY to write 10 meaningless posts per week. I learned NOTHING about crypto during that time.

After further browsing I was really surprised to see there's a strong Croatian local community on Bitcointalk. Since the moment I joined, I found my home there. The community has been so helpful, warm and kind. I learned a lot about a variety of topics. Visiting Bitcointalk started to become a daily routine and I'm here now because I want to be here. Writing posts is not a chore anymore, I do it for fun, communication and exchanging of ideas and not for campaign purposes. I do not even need to check how many I have written, it is always over the quota. My posts have value as well, which can be seen by number of merits collected. I would say joining the local board completely changed my experience on Bitcointalk.

Ok, what is the connection to RegulusHR? Well, if I had to pick one person who is the cornerstone of our community, it would definitely be him. He is helping us all so much, being a merit source is only a small part of it. As some of our members already said, he invited us all for meet-up and covered all costs, he is always giving good advice and he has tackled some tricky topics (like properly paying/reporting taxes) like a true pro. When I heard he was the one who got permabanned, I could not believe it because it is so conflicting with who he really is.

I know you will ultimately decide by yourselves and that all we write can be in vain. I will just share my personal opinion that RegulusHR's one of our highest appreciated members whose words and actions have true value and that lack of his presence can already be felt on our local board. Not due to the lack of merits given, his contribution is so much broader than that.

I, for one, plead that you lift his ban and help us keep growing as a community. He is sincere, valuable and honorable. I know it isn't the same if you write 'Yea, I truly believe we will see a recovery in alt markets soon. Please ADA, do it for my children.' or if you copy it from someone else, but for the sake of the argument, let's talk about value here. These posts have NO value. Written or copied.
RegulusHR has been providing true value day after day since I joined and I think that is something we should be concentrating on.

Why 'we'? Because you will not find a single person from our local board that will tell you otherwise.

[slackovic]

I too would like to say something about this. I too come from Croatia and I write mostly in Croatian section of this forum. I don't know if I'm reputable enough, but I hope someone will take my thoughts into consideration.

RegulusHr is/was a reputable member of our Croatian section and all of us were very happy when he became a Merit sourcer. There are people in our section that write mostly in this section so Merits from RegulusHr were very helpful. That's why I was shocked that he was banned. I'm aware that moderators have a lot of work with blocking users that are spamming this forum, but I think this kind of punishment (a permanent ban) was a bit exaggerated for a mistake that he made over a year ago. Back then he was just starting to get to know how this forum works and probably wasn't aware of all the forum rules. True, he made a mistake and deserves a punishment, but a moderator could have warned him or give him a temporary ban. I'm sure he would have learned his lesson with that punishment.

[Lauda]

Last time people were asking for an exemption (which included me), it was rejected. Let's see whether the staff will remain consistent or change their stance.

[cryptofrka]

I know I'm risking something (probably dissecting all my posts, getting negative trust or whatever) by posting this and a general rule in life is to knuckle down and lower your head when 'the boss' has arrived. But what the hell, I think that is a totally wrong way to act so I will say my part about this as well.

I see you have given negative reputation to RegulusHR. I also read almost all negative reputations you have sent out and all of them are for spam/multi accounts, financial fraud, basically, for things much, much bigger than post copying. There is not a single one reported for post copying there in over 250 negative reps given.

From your post (and from previous, although rare occasions i saw you on BTT) I can see you are Croatian and that you hold a grudge. What you just did is personal and, in my book (and probably everybody else's from current local board) definitely not ok. We need people who scan the forum and do the 'dirty work', but there needs to be a line where you cannot freely use your 'power' for personal revenge, or whatever it is that is driving you to do this. Or let me rephrase that, you can and you just did - but you, as a reputable member of this forum, should know better than to act like that.

I'm definitely not the one to tell anybody how to behave and what to do, my time here is far too short and my significance to this forum far too small to matter, but what I can clearly see is that after all of our support to RegulusHR, the situation now is even worse than it was before. This is politics, this is a witch hunt and this is wrong.

[Lauda]

I know I'm risking something (probably dissecting all my posts, getting negative trust or whatever)

You do risk negative trust by lying not by voicing opinions.

From your post (and from previous, although rare occasions i saw you on BTT) I can see you are Croatian and that you hold a grudge.

Everything from here on out is a lie. I have no idea who this guy is, and thus can't hold a grudge against him.

What you just did is personal and, in my book (and probably everybody else's from current local board) definitely not ok. We need people who scan the forum and do the 'dirty work', but there needs to be a line where you cannot freely use your 'power' for personal revenge, or whatever it is that is driving you to do this. Or let me rephrase that, you can and you just did - but you, as a reputable member of this forum, should know better than to act like that.

Trying to taint my name with this nonsense again? Not the wisest decision.

I'm definitely not the one to tell anybody how to behave and what to do, my time here is far too short and my significance to this forum far too small to matter, but what I can clearly see is that after all of our support to RegulusHR, the situation now is even worse than it was before. This is politics, this is a witch hunt and this is wrong.

All I see is users which are hungry for merit whining that their merit farm source is dead due to stealing posts.

[TMAN]

Last time people were asking for an exemption (which included me), it was rejected. Let's see whether the staff will remain consistent or change their stance.

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it is a shame that OP is banned seeing all the vouches he is getting, but yes it is chi all over again, so ill say the same thing I said to him and every other copy-pasta lover.. READ THE FUCKING RULES..

However I do believe that people with a decent backing of obvious non-alts should be given some way back onto the forum, 100% they shouldn't be able to wear a sig for 12 months - or even better the sig should be - READ THE FUCKING RULES or similar, But a small mistake (however grave in the grand scheme of things) shouldn't be punished for life if the net gain to the forum is far greater, especially taking into account the forums official stance on scams.

[Lauda]

Last time people were asking for an exemption (which included me), it was rejected. Let's see whether the staff will remain consistent or change their stance.

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it is a shame that OP is banned seeing all the vouches he is getting, but yes it is chi all over again, so ill say the same thing I said to him and every other copy-pasta lover.. READ THE FUCKING RULES..

However I do believe that people with a decent backing of obvious non-alts should be given some way back onto the forum, 100% they shouldn't be able to wear a sig for 12 months - or even better the sig should be - READ THE FUCKING RULES or similar, But a small mistake (however grave in the grand scheme of things) shouldn't be punished for life if the net gain to the forum is far greater, especially taking into account the forums official stance on scams.

Revoking OP's ban would be fine if other bans of notable members (such as chi) were revoked. Since they weren't, revoking OP is also out of the question for me. I believe there was also another case not too long ago where I have said the same thing (i.e. voiced my strong opinion against making an exemption).

[Lucius]

Last time people were asking for an exemption (which included me), it was rejected. Let's see whether the staff will remain consistent or change their stance.

The same rules apply to everyone, so any exemption for any user would make a precedent. RegulusHr is made a mistake in the past, accidentally in ignorance or fully aware that he is copy/paste posts of other people - I think that does not really matter now.

We can see that every day at least 10 users ask/post about they ban, some even Hero or Legendary - so it is not only what you will do in future posting, but also what you do in the past.

[TMAN]

Revoking OP's ban would be fine if other bans of notable members (such as chi) were revoked. Since they weren't, revoking OP is also out of the question for me. I believe there was also another case not too long ago where I have said the same thing (i.e. voiced my strong opinion against making an exemption).

The exemption should be for all senior members who have community backing, IE not just 12 newbies banging on about it, they should be made to look like fools with the signature being set my the forum though, hopefully it would be a bit of an education and may prevent further Copy-pasta lovers

[Lauda]

Last time people were asking for an exemption (which included me), it was rejected. Let's see whether the staff will remain consistent or change their stance.

The same rules apply to everyone, so any exemption for any user would make a precedent. RegulusHr is made a mistake in the past, accidentally in ignorance or fully aware that he is copy/paste posts of other people - I think that does not really matter now.

We can see that every day at least 10 users ask/post about they ban, some even Hero or Legendary - so it is not only what you will do in future posting, but also what you do in the past.

Correct, but setting a precedent might be a bit problematic given that they would probably have to review dozens of users again. In addition to that, plagiarism cases can greatly differ. Although you can argue that all plagiarism has an incentive since the introduction of the merit system.

The exemption should be for all senior members who have community backing, IE not just 12 newbies banging on about it, they should be made to look like fools with the signature being set my the forum though, hopefully it would be a bit of an education and may prevent further Copy-pasta lovers

It would be funny to see them wear a signature of shame for a year or two. Thermos would probably figure out something hilarious.

[cryptofrka]

You do risk negative trust by lying not by voicing opinions.

That is not my plan at all.

Everything from here and moving forward a lie. I have no idea who this guy is, and thus can't hold a grudge against him.

I am aware that there is a possibility you do not know this member personally. What I meant is that it seems you hold a grudge over something what happened a while ago on Croatian local board. I do not know what it is, I do not care what it is, I have just heard your name spoken a few times but it does not interest me at all what happened. I'm just voicing my feeling, based on your comment where you asked for the same treatment as before, and for giving negative rep for far lesser 'evil' than the ones you usually tend to give them for.

Trying to taint my name with this nonsense again? Not the wisest decision.

Again, not my plan. I am not trying to taint anything, I'm just questioning this specific decision. Yes, you can say 'who are you to question', I know you have worked a lot to get to where you are and that your reputation is earned, but I also know better than to stay silent when I see something I do not agree with.

Eventually, as mentioned before, it will be the way you choose it to be. I just hope you take my opinions as a incentive to reconsider, not to fight.

All I see is users which are hungry for merit whining that their merit farm source is dead due to stealing posts.

Oh God, I just saw this.. I'm 32 years old, have a steady job, do 3 more jobs in my free time, I live a happy and satisfying life. Do you honestly think I care about merits, some forum reputation or whatever?
If I did, I would not be here, confronting you. Would I?

[Branko]

You do risk negative trust by lying not by voicing opinions.

Out of curiosity, what did RegulusHR lied about?

[TMAN]

It would be funny to see them wear a signature of shame for a year or two. Thermos would probably figure out something hilarious.

This - promoting issues around plagiarism or similar.. if he got to waste his time on this shit then people should be punished
 

[Lauda]

Eventually, as mentioned before, it will be the way you choose it to be. I just hope you take my opinions as a incentive to reconsider, not to fight.

That is fair, but you should have empathized that it is a possibility rather than a statement of how things are. The way that I've read it, it felt like a direct attack.

All I see is users which are hungry for merit whining that their merit farm source is dead due to stealing posts.

Oh God, I just saw this.. I'm 32 years old, have a steady job, do 3 more jobs in my free time, I live a happy and satisfying life. Do you honestly think I care about merits, some forum reputation or whatever?
If I did, I would not be here, conflicting you. Would I?

I do not know, but my statement stands (note the "I see"). Out of all the names that were voicing their support for OP, I may have recognized two of them. This is usually not a good sign.

Out of curiosity, what did RegulusHR lied about?

Nobody was talking about Regulus.

It would be funny to see them wear a signature of shame for a year or two. Thermos would probably figure out something hilarious.

This - promoting issues around plagiarism or similar.. if he got to waste his time on this shit then people should be punished

Who knows, he may surprise us like he did with the DT system.

[Branko]

Out of curiosity, what did RegulusHR lied about?

Nobody was talking about Regulus.

Sorry, was lazy to check actual reason, I thought you were speaking about reason you gave RegulusHR
negative trust.

Now that I see you wrote

"Stealing other people's work/text is not trustworthy."

do you think he was really "stealing other people's work"?

I think he was just lazy...but I so many times saw similar behavior (and reported it), but people
weren't lazy and changed a word here and there or used posting bot to post spam, and they were
not banned...so (for me) this ban is pretty extreme (and if some cases you spoke mentioned were the same,
of course I think the same about those cases too). But if you fought for someone before, and now insist
RegulusHR should be banned because someone else you liked was banned for same thing. , thats
hypocritical in my book.
If they ban you next day because of same offense, I won't insist your ban stay
just because you were supporting RegulusHR ban

[Trofo]

I do not know, but my statement stands (note the "I see"). Out of all the names that were voicing their support for OP, I may have recognized two of them. This is usually not a good sign.

I hope I am one of the users you recognize. After all I was in Coinpayments campaign managed by you. It was the best managed campaign I have been part of and thank you for that. Your standards have made me expect similar level of commitment from other signature managers which left me disappointed often.

To get back on the track. RegulusHr will only get support from users active in Croatian section of the forum (he was only active in that part). If you are not reading that part lately it is somewhat logical that most of the users are unknown to you. After all most of us are newer members of the forum with varying knowledge and contribution.

All I see is users which are hungry for merit whining that their merit farm source is dead due to stealing posts.

That perception was actually my concern as well. I am aware how it looks to "outsiders". We have a loop here without good way to get out of it other then to trust our words. All the users speaking on the behalf of RegulusHR are part of the Croatian section and all of them have probably received merits from him at some time. He was the "local" source after all. I believe I am actually most merited person by RegulusHR and was thinking to refrain of posting my comment here because somebody will probably make that link and conclude I am writing just because of the merits.

I like to believe that he would receive same support even with merit out of the question. He would have my support for sure but there is no way to prove such claims so "back to the loop".  

[Lauda]

But if you fought for someone before, and now insist
RegulusHR should be banned because someone else you liked was banned for same thing. , thats
hypocritical in my book.

No, it is not. It is called accepting the forum's policy and trying to be consistent afterwards.

I hope I am one of the users you recognize.

Indeed.

I like to believe that he would receive same support even with merit out of the question. He would have mine support for sure but there is no way to prove such claims so "back to the loop".  

That's one of the problems. There is a very strong incentive for people who received (or may receive) merit from OP to complain about his ban and ask for an exception. Given the lack of involvement outside of the section and general lack of contributions to the community, there is no way to judge what the actual agenda of each user is.

That perception was actually my concern as well. I am aware how it looks to "outsiders".

Yup, and I've had bad experiences with local users trying to play white knights before. The last one I remember was when I tagged someone active in the Turkish section (there was a thread in the reputation section IIRC). At least the users here seem to be acting in a proper manner.

[Branko]

But if you fought for someone before, and now insist
RegulusHR should be banned because someone else you liked was banned for same thing. , thats
hypocritical in my book.

No, it is not. It is called accepting the forum's policy and trying to be consistent afterwards.

So lets make it clear here

if instead

"Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform become live. My full support on the project and will contribute for your success."

he wrote

""Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform is alive. I fully support the project and will contribute to its success.""

it would be OK, if we will be strict about following rules?

[Lauda]

But if you fought for someone before, and now insist
RegulusHR should be banned because someone else you liked was banned for same thing. , thats
hypocritical in my book.

No, it is not. It is called accepting the forum's policy and trying to be consistent afterwards.

So lets make it clear here

if instead

"Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform become live. My full support on the project and will contribute for your success."

he wrote

""Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform is alive. I fully support the project and will contribute to its success.""

it would be OK, if we will be strict about following rules?

I don't think so, no. You'd have to quote and include a link to the source.

[cryptofrka]

Most arguments that were given here are valid and can be understood. There are always 2 sides to every problem - we feel the punishment is too hard because we know RegulusHR, the mods see him just as another spammer/scammer/cheater. I can understand that standpoint, it would take a massive amount of time to check every reported/tagged user thoroughly. Rules are there for a reason, abiding by them is the easiest way to hold this forum in one place.

The thing is you all know these rules are not always good and fair. It is not the same thing if a new user gets banned for copying something and if an older, legit and respected user gets banned for something he did a year or more ago. Changing rules is always hard because there will always be users in the past with the same mistakes that were punished harder, but this specific rule (considering the timeline) is in my opinion a really bad one and punishment for it too strict (not just in the case of RegulusHR) and if you look at it logically - should be modified a bit.

Regarding the community support - I can understand reservations there as well. You can test it easily - revoke Regulus's ban, remove negative trust but remove him as a merit source.
We as a community will progress a bit harder but if we are honest, we will be pleased because a member we cared about is back in our community.

This would not be fair too because he was actually a great merit source and did the job thoroughly but would serve as a way to show that we support the man and not the milking cow.

[suchmoon]

I so many times saw similar behavior (and reported it), but people
weren't lazy and changed a word here and there or used posting bot to post spam, and they were
not banned...

How is that anecdote relevant here? This is why mods are hesitant to make exceptions. All sorts of spammers would then start screaming whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabout...

Let's just stick to the facts at hand. The OP has done copypasta, more than once and probably more than twice, with apparent financial motivation.

[marlboroza]

Would You, my-local-people, agree to un-ban account, disable signature and remove regulus from merit source? It's not that it's going to happen anyway.

So lets make it clear here
if instead
"Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform become live. My full support on the project and will contribute for your success."
he wrote
""Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform is alive. I fully support the project and will contribute to its success.""
it would be OK, if we will be strict about following rules?

najveća krivnja mu ispada što nije kupio posting bota da mu malo ispremiješa tekst prije postanja

?
Testing grounds for text spinner? Well, that is fastest way to get permaban.

[Lauda]

Would You, my-local-people, agree to un-ban account, disable signature and remove regulus from merit source? It's not that it's going to happen anyway.

So lets make it clear here
if instead
"Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform become live. My full support on the project and will contribute for your success."
he wrote
""Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform is alive. I fully support the project and will contribute to its success.""
it would be OK, if we will be strict about following rules?

najveća krivnja mu ispada što nije kupio posting bota da mu malo ispremiješa tekst prije postanja

?
Testing grounds for text spinner? Well, that is fastest way to get permaban.

Surprising. It seems to me that more people have a burning desire to get banned and neg. rated.

[suchmoon]

I don't get Branko's obsession with spinners. Moderators are banning for using that shit. Sure, some posts may slip through and some spinning may be considered too inconclusive for a ban. However 80%+ of users that I reported for word-spinning ended up being banned. It's not a free pass. And it doesn't excuse any other copypasta.

[eroejoe]

I looked through the post history of your profile and have discovered that almost all of your comments in Croatian and it is difficult to judge about their quality to majority of forum users.

I learned so much from him and I am pretty sure that I am not only one, his contribution to our local community is unquestionable.

so ill say the same thing I said to him and every other copy-pasta lover.. READ THE FUCKING RULES..

Copy-pasta lover
It is hard to me to be nice after reading this, but I will. RegulusHr spent many days of his life for making new, fresh, interesting and quality posts for local community.

-

I do not want to tell names, but I feel that many respectable members which are against RegulusHr see only merits in eyes of Croatian community!

He even organized meetup for local community of Bitcoin forum with his own money. I wonder how many members even try something like that?
I believe he was planning another one, but with this thankfulness I do not think so.

[Branko]

Would You, my-local-people, agree to un-ban account, disable signature and remove regulus from merit source? It's not that it's going to happen anyway.

So lets make it clear here
if instead
"Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform become live. My full support on the project and will contribute for your success."
he wrote
""Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform is alive. I fully support the project and will contribute to its success.""
it would be OK, if we will be strict about following rules?

najveća krivnja mu ispada što nije kupio posting bota da mu malo ispremiješa tekst prije postanja

?
Testing grounds for text spinner? Well, that is fastest way to get permaban.

Surprising. It seems to me that more people have a burning desire to get banned and neg. rated.

Nice way to SPIN my words...but I already noticed some old legendary members obsessed more with punishing people
left and right and making newbie life miserable, than trying to help people...like giving already banned people
negative trust

[Daniel91]

After reading all posts here I think it's time to change rules on this forum.
I think that ovcijisir, Branko, Trofo, cryptofrka and others very well explained why permaban is not good solution for plagiarism (based on RegulusHr case).
In my opinion, much better solution will be temporary ban, maybe 30-90 days for a first mistake and permaban if plagiarism happen again.
We don't need an exemptions but a new forum rule for plagiarism and I hope that theymos will consider it.
Also, I would like to see the same respect toward young and old members on this forum.
It's not important who is more famous or popular on this forum, or have more power or influence.
We should respect equally all users on this forum, and their opinions.
Finally, I'm not hungry for merits and don't care about it.
In fact, I'm another merit source.
I support RegulusHr because it's right thing to do.

[Lauda]

but I already noticed some old legendary members obsessed more with punishing people

Yeah, yeah. We are all evil psychopaths; it's our fault and definitely not the fault of the people breaking the rules and/or acting untrustworthy. I've heard this countless times already; be original for once.

We should respect equally all users on this forum, and their opinions.

No. Respect is earned; you can keep that self-entitled bullshit to the local section. Don't even get me started on the we should respect all opinions.

In my opinion, much better solution will be temporary ban, maybe 30-90 days for a first mistake and permaban if plagiarism happen again.

Sure. Strip him of his signature, his merit source status and revoke bans on all non heavy cases of plagiarism. I wish the staff the best with this proposal.

[Daniel91]

I would like to ask for a more polite discussion here.
I hope I don't ask to much.   

[Lauda]

I would like to ask for a more polite discussion here.
I hope I don't ask to much.   

I can call in cryptohunter and TMAN if you are fond of polite discussion.

[Daniel91]

If we should be afraid to freely express our opinion here because someone can attack us, it's sad time for this forum and community.

[Lauda]

If we should be afraid to freely express our opinion here because someone can attack us, it's sad time for this forum and community.

If nobody is allowed to attack you, then what the hell would this forum even be? Boring. The majority of the content (excluding some technical sections) is someone attacking someone else or something else (e.g. a shitcoin). I've been attacked pretty much every day over the past 3 years; grow a thicker skin or go home.

[Daniel91]

I think we should strive to the argued discussion here.
Any question should be solved by arguments in the debate, not by force or attacks.

[Lauda]

I think we should strive to the argued discussion here.
Any question should be solved by arguments in the debate, not by force or attacks.

Everything has been resolved. The user broke the rule several times and has thus faced consequences. Stop wasting time with your "argued discussion". If you want to discuss what kind of consequence plagiarism should have, then go to a  thread discussing that.

[suchmoon]

In my opinion, much better solution will be temporary ban, maybe 30-90 days for a first mistake and permaban if plagiarism happen again.

Who's gonna do all that work? Keeping track of thousands of users and counting their mistakes?

Permaban with a option to appeal is fine unless/until a more lenient but equally consistent approach is developed - e.g. permaban for ranks below Sr and permanent signature ban for Sr and above.

Also, I would like to see the same respect toward young and old members on this forum.

I would like spam to stop. Please grant my wish and I'll grant yours. Until that happens I'll continue to disrespect shitposters regardless of their "age".

[ovcijisir]

The main point that we (users who regulary participate in croatian local forum) wanted to make is that RegulusHR is trustworthy person who don't deserve to be banned from this forum.

I don't think that RegulusHR deserves red trust for "stealing other peoples work" because that two sentences are hardly work.

[Daniel91]

I think we should strive to the argued discussion here.
Any question should be solved by arguments in the debate, not by force or attacks.

Everything has been resolved. The user broke the rule several times and has thus faced consequences. Stop wasting time with your "argued discussion". If you want to discuss what kind of consequence plagiarism should have, then go to a  thread discussing that.

I do not think that anybody have the right to abolish the freedom of speech here.
All users have rights to express their opinions, whenever you like it or not.
I don't think anything is resolved here.

[Lauda]

I don't think that RegulusHR deserves red trust for "stealing other peoples work" because that two sentences are hardly work.

I strongly believe that anyone doing this does, and will continue tagging people (where it makes sense; e.g. not new spambots) for it. You can repeat your opinion a hundred times using 100 friends from the local section, it won't matter. People who are almost never involved outside of their respective local sections have no say in what constitutes a proper trust rating as they usually have no knowledge or experience with any of this.

I don't think anything is resolved here.

Good luck with that then.

[Daniel91]

In my opinion, much better solution will be temporary ban, maybe 30-90 days for a first mistake and permaban if plagiarism happen again.

Who's gonna do all that work? Keeping track of thousands of users and counting their mistakes?

Permaban with a option to appeal is fine unless/until a more lenient but equally consistent approach is developed - e.g. permaban for ranks below Sr and permanent signature ban for Sr and above.

Also, I would like to see the same respect toward young and old members on this forum.

I would like spam to stop. Please grant my wish and I'll grant yours. Until that happens I'll continue to disrespect shitposters regardless of their "age".

It can be rule only for a new cases, or recent (last a 30 days for example).

[ovcijisir]

I don't think that RegulusHR deserves red trust for "stealing other peoples work" because that two sentences are hardly work.

I strongly believe that anyone doing this does, and will continue tagging people (where it makes sense; e.g. not new spambots) for it.

I don't have anything against tagging people with red trust if they deserved it, but in this case I think it not deserved.

You can repeat your opinion a hundred times using 100 friends from the local section, it won't matter.

I belive that stating opinion does matter, specially if it is backed by facts.

People who are almost never involved outside of their respective local sections have no say in what constitutes a proper trust rating as they usually have no knowledge or experience with any of this.

I thought that anyone that creates account on this forum had right to state opinon? Maybe I was wrong? And my opinon is that in this case red trust rating and permaban were excessive, specially if we take in account how much RegulusHR contributed to local section.

[Lauda]

I thought that anyone that creates account on this forum had right to state opinon?

You can state your opinion as many times as you want, it's just that nobody in their right mind is going to give a single quack about it.

[ovcijisir]

I thought that anyone that creates account on this forum had right to state opinon?

You can state your opinion as many times as you want, it's just that nobody in their right mind is going to give a single quack about it.

Everything that had to be said was said. It is up to moderators and administrator to make the final judgement. They hopefully have far more insight in RegulusHR's activities and I hope they will come with decision that is the best for our forum.

[Pmalek]

Nothing any of us say here can take away the fact that Regulus did copy/paste those posts. He knows it as well and didn't try to hide it which makes his ban appeal different from all those 'why did i get banned - I didn't do anything wrong' threads. The two posts in question are from Sep and Dec 2017, so one might argue that it was a long time ago, if that makes a difference.

No matter what the decision turns out to be two things remain certain.
1. Regulus copy/pasted.
2. He was/is a very influential and valuable member of the Croatian subforum.

Someone mentioned that he organised a meetup with members of the local forum, here is some more info about that.
A member of our forum started a contest where members could post jokes and whichever jokes he found to be the best won prices. Prices included Bitcoin and Tezos. Regulus was one of the winners. He used that bitcoin to organise a meetup with members of the forum in Zagreb and treated them to food and drinks. I am sure that who ever came to that meetup was not there because of Regulus - the merit source but because of Regulus the guy who shared his winnings with unknown members of an Internet forum.

Would You, my-local-people, agree to un-ban account, disable signature and remove regulus from merit source? It's not that it's going to happen anyway.

This would be an interesting poll, we should make it. Would you, Regulus want that?

[ovcijisir]

Would You, my-local-people, agree to un-ban account, disable signature and remove regulus from merit source? It's not that it's going to happen anyway.

This would be an interesting poll, we should make it. Would you, Regulus want that?

It is up to moderators to decide what is the best for forum, not us.

I hope that temporary ban for contributing member is enough to give us all a lesson.

[cryptofrka]

Would You, my-local-people, agree to un-ban account, disable signature and remove regulus from merit source? It's not that it's going to happen anyway.

I think not being able to wear a signature ever again is a step too far, lifting the ban and removing him as a merit source seems like enough. I'm sure the community would vote for him over his merits.
But yes, after reading the last few pages here, I agree it seems highly unlikely. I have a feeling our opinions are worth s**t all.

Everything has been resolved. The user broke the rule several times and has thus faced consequences. Stop wasting time with your "argued discussion". If you want to discuss what kind of consequence plagiarism should have, then go to a  thread discussing that.

But was it resolved? All we heard so far is 'unlikely'. It is the same story as when we asked for a moderator. 5 pages without any conclusions, without anybody saying anything concrete and definitive, like you are all waiting for a topic to die out. If it truly has been resolved, please tell us so we stop wasting our time here. I will most definitely not spam the topic if you have made a decision. The thing is - you did not. At least you did not tell us what it is. I do not even know who makes these decisions.

Permaban with a option to appeal is fine unless/until a more lenient but equally consistent approach is developed - e.g. permaban for ranks below Sr and permanent signature ban for Sr and above.

Ok, agreed, that is why we are here. But if the rule is permaban with an option to appeal and so far only 1 permaban has been removed based on appeal, then there's something wrong with implementing these rules. Wouldn't you agree?

I strongly believe that anyone doing this does, and will continue tagging people (where it makes sense; e.g. not new spambots) for it. You can repeat your opinion a hundred times using 100 friends from the local section, it won't matter. People who are almost never involved outside of their respective local sections have no say in what constitutes a proper trust rating as they usually have no knowledge or experience with any of this.

See, this here is just extremely funny. I do not know who a trustworthy person is because I do not spend enough time on an internet forum? There is life outside of BTT, it is truly shocking that somebody believes they have better knowledge of people because they scan the forum day after day. Your knowledge of the rules is superior, your experience with spammers is superior, but that's exactly why we are here. Hopefully, based on your experience, you can understand this is not a usual spamming case, half of our community is here expressing opinions and vouching for RegulusHR.
So, basically, what you are saying is that you do not trust a person whose posts you probably do not read day after day (I have not seen you on local boards at all), you do not trust us who are here in numbers defending him and explaining who he is, but you believe in strict forum rules and abide by them? Isn't one of those rules the rule to appeal a permanent ban and to be judged fairly?

You can state your opinion as many times as you want, it's just that nobody in their right mind is going to give a single quack about it.

And this is just plain wrong. I, for one, give a quack about his opinion, much more than I give about yours, because he is a guy from a local board who I communicate with regularly.

To summarize - I feel that as a community we have voiced our opinion clearly. RegulusHR spends all his time there, we know who he is and that he is trustworthy, we feel a huge injustice is being made because of a c/p made ages ago. He even admitted it, apologized and said he will strive to do better. He truly is one of the most respected members we have, all we ask is to study this case properly and not reject it in advance because the rules say all copy-pasting is punished equally.

[ReguluHr-alt]

Would You, my-local-people, agree to un-ban account, disable signature and remove regulus from merit source? It's not that it's going to happen anyway.

This would be an interesting poll, we should make it. Would you, Regulus want that?

I have no problem with not wearing the signature while I'm in punishment or wearing a signature with a warning I have been punished, for the repayment of my sins.
I do not even think that something should change significantly in the forum, for the purpose of such penalty. Let the administrators specify the public term of the sentence. I'll get back to Lauda to consider removing the negative thrust when the sentence expires. I hope you find it acceptable?

Removing me from the merit source.
No problem. I do not see that as reward is given to me. I applied for this position because I wanted somehow to contribute to the local community.
Because the daily reading of the Croatian local forum and selecting one or two post that deserve to be merited and so a year is not a light task at all. Because the 1.5 merit per day I had is not enough merit for all posts who deserve merit.

[suchmoon]

It can be rule only for a new cases, or recent (last a 30 days for example).

I don't think you understand what's going on here. 5000+ users are banned every month, most of them for plagiarism. A "two strikes" policy would require lots of resources to keep up and would at least double the effort needed to remove 99%+ of plagiarizers who are serial offenders.

Ok, agreed, that is why we are here. But if the rule is permaban with an option to appeal and so far only 1 permaban has been removed based on appeal, then there's something wrong with implementing these rules. Wouldn't you agree?

I would not agree, mainly because the highlighted statement has the same validity as the early claims in this thread that the OP plagiarised only once, and is borderline fallacy. Multiple bans have been removed, not that the number is important here. There is no quota that a certain percentage of appeals has to succeed. The appeal system is clunky but it works despite being made into a DDOS weapon by shitposters who waste staff's time with frivolous appeals. But the legitimate ones are being heard and I'm quite certain that the OP's complaint will be seen by a global mod or an admin.

[cryptofrka]

I would not agree, mainly because the highlighted statement has the same validity as the early claims in this thread that the OP plagiarised only once, and is borderline fallacy. Multiple bans have been removed, not that the number is important here. There is no quota that a certain percentage of appeals has to succeed. The appeal system is clunky but it works despite being made into a DDOS weapon by shitposters who waste staff's time with frivolous appeals. But the legitimate ones are being heard and I'm quite certain that the OP's complaint will be seen by a global mod or an admin.

OK, this is good news then. I read somewhere that it was done only once (written by a highly rated member) and took it as a fact. My apologies.
If the rules are not as strict as I initially thought and if somebody will look into this thoroughly, that's all we can ask at this moment.

[Veleor]

At will of RegulusHr, he can send a PM to administrator theymos with the link to this topic.

I think not being able to wear a signature ever again is a step too far, lifting the ban and removing him as a merit source seems like enough.

Imho OP in no position to bargain here and he must accept all restrictions.

[Bokile]

I think not being able to wear a signature ever again is a step too far, lifting the ban and removing him as a merit source seems like enough.

Imho OP in no position to bargain here and he must accept all restrictions.

I agree that he isn't in the position to bargain, but that doesn't mean that we cannot say what would be, in our opinion, the adequate punishment for his mistakes. Admins will decide, but maybe, just maybe, they would like to here our opinion. I'm one of those guys who knows what RegulusHr did for the community and why we strongly support him. We are not here to cry for our merit sources and no one (including the OP) care about that now. Some of you said something like "in the past it was like this or like that...". I believe you, but that doesn't mean that we cannot improve things and this is a perfect opportunity to think about that.

[eroejoe]

Is there anything new about this ban appeal? Is anyone even considering this topic?
I want to know decision on this subject.

[Daniel91]

OK, it seems rules regarding permaban changed recently: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113767.msg49896676#msg49896676
so I hope that admin will reconsider this permaban case.

[TryNinja]

OK, it seems rules regarding permaban changed recently: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113767.msg49896676#msg49896676
so I hope that admin will reconsider this permaban case.

Nothing changed. Keep reading the thread.

There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

[Trofo]

Nothing changed. Keep reading the thread.

There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

Regarding the part I have put in bold from Theymos post.
I sort of hoped we managed to convince the forum about RegulusHR positive influence in Croatian Local section. He would probably have better chance for lifting a ban if he was more active in English sections. This way you guys can only judge by the support he received from our section.

[Daniel91]

OK, it seems rules regarding permaban changed recently: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113767.msg49896676#msg49896676
so I hope that admin will reconsider this permaban case.

Nothing changed. Keep reading the thread.

There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

Doesn't matter.
Regulus is very well respected member of our community and we will continue to fight for him.
As you can see, this permaban happened almost 2 months ago but we still didn't forget him and continue to support him.
How many other such cases you know?
I hope that soon or later admins will reconsider their decision and answer RegulusHr.

[TryNinja]

Doesn't matter.
Regulus is very well respected member of our community and we will continue to fight for him.
As you can see, this permaban happened almost 2 months ago but we still didn't forget him and continue to support him.
How many other such cases you know?
I hope that soon or later admins will reconsider their decision and answer RegulusHr.

Then, you or anyone else should create a thread that shows how RegulusHr is - as theymos says - "good for the forum as a whole";

[eroejoe]

Then, you or anyone else should create a thread that shows how RegulusHr is - as theymos says - "good for the forum as a whole";

Thanks for advice, I hope that will help something in this case.

[Daniel91]

Doesn't matter.
Regulus is very well respected member of our community and we will continue to fight for him.
As you can see, this permaban happened almost 2 months ago but we still didn't forget him and continue to support him.
How many other such cases you know?
I hope that soon or later admins will reconsider their decision and answer RegulusHr.

Then, you or anyone else should create a thread that shows how RegulusHr is - as theymos says - "good for the forum as a whole";

OK, when I find time, I will research his posts on the forum and prepare links which can prove that his contribution here was: "good for the forum as a whole"
Just, I don't see reason to start new thread about it, I will post it here, so that admins can review his case again and decide.

[Daniel91]

Then, you or anyone else should create a thread that shows how RegulusHr is - as theymos says - "good for the forum as a whole";

OK, as suggested, but in the same thread so that other users can follow more easily, here are the posts from RegulusHr which, in my opinions, shows how good he is for the ''forum as a whole''.
I hope that admins will reconsider now their decision about permaban.

Posts from Regulushr:

Application For Merit Source
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828982.msg28997087#msg28997087

Very detailed manual on Croatian, what to do when you get the first, tokens. Required reading for each beginner in the crypto world.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3196935.msg33165145#msg33165145

Bounty Campaign Altcoin - Signature, Telegram
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2929934.0

Multisignature address and wallet explanation
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3154168.msg32608692#msg32608692

Crypto GUI Miner – review
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3052292.msg31914563#msg31914563

News about opening of the exchange office crypto/fia
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3671333.msg36747904#msg36747904

Review of the crypto/fiat exchange office
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3671333.msg46963394#msg46963394

A critical review of the Dropil project drop with reference to the good and bad sides.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4419051.msg45150312#msg45150312

Testing and Comparison of Mining Software
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2879234.msg29579473#msg29579473

Hints and help to a beginner in the crypto world.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4818132.msg43532974#msg43532974

Review of buying IT equipment in Croatia for BTC.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2518444.msg25721122#msg25721122

Explain why mining is not profitable even when heat is used to warm the room.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1671371.msg48630307#msg48630307

[cryptofrka]

In my opinion, it will be impossible to prove that a member who mostly writes in local board is "good for the forum as a whole".

We have shown strong support here already, the local community is fully behind RegulusHR and we would like to apply again to get his punishment reduced. He already accepted all the possible punishments and apologized multiple times. A temporary signature ban and removing him as a merit source really seems as a fair punishment.

Permanent bans should be reserved for scammers and serious offenders, not for people who copied somebody's post 3 years ago in an irrelevant 'good project' thread.
Well, just my 2 cents. Last try to change something that is really not fair and not deserved.

[big_daddy]

Dear Daniel91, I am busy and really have no extra time to spend on the forum searching for the good and better posts from our great Comrad RegulusHr, cause there are a lot,
but I saw the listed posts above and completely agree with you that those are posts showing how good he was for the ''forum as a whole''.

Best regards

[Daniel91]

In my opinion, it will be impossible to prove that a member who mostly writes in local board is "good for the forum as a whole".

I hope you're wrong here.
We shouldn't have 2 categories of the members here, users who can speak and write good English and others, who write mostly in local sections because of the weak English or other reasons.
All members should be respect equally here and definition "good for the forum as a whole" should apply equally to all.

[Dzeronimo]

We keep asking admins to unban RegulusHR for over 40 days. Does anyone believe we would do that for someone who don't deserve to be a part of this forum? We, who understand his posts, truly believe that he deserve another chance.

[eroejoe]

He even organized meetup for local community of Bitcoin forum with his own money.

I have to quote myself because I do not think that this fact reach to Bitcointalk community enough.
I think that meetups are great way to make community on forum stronger and better connected within each other.

[ovcijisir]

Hope something changed here on forum considering permabans for good contributing members.

Too summarize again why in my opinon RegulusHR should have permaban removed:

• helped a lot of members with his quality posts (see Daniel91 post above).
• gained 140 merit for his posts, and almost ranked up to Sr. member before ban - this speaks for his posts quality. (I guess that RegulusHR would gain much more merit if he wrote in english section, but he chose to help to grow our local forum)
• did a lot in regard to local community (being merit source - he even got promoted right before ban, organizing local meetup) - did all his duties responsibly
• overall good and friendly attitude toward people on forum

This thread is swimming in evidence why RegulusHR should have his ban removed.

Hope it is true that Theymos have loosened up the rules for permaban (for good contributing members).

In my opinion, it will be impossible to prove that a member who mostly writes in local board is "good for the forum as a whole".

I hope you're wrong here.
We shouldn't have 2 categories of the members here, users who can speak and write good English and others, who write mostly in local sections because of the weak English or other reasons.
All members should be respect equally here and definition "good for the forum as a whole" should apply equally to all.

1. It is easy to use google translate to gain rough understanding what the post is about
2. there are a lot of members of local community that confirm that posts are helpful and high quality
3. merit gained for those posts speaks how good they are

[ReguluHr-alt]

Dear community,
Once again I apologize for the mistake in some of my early posts.
I also thanks to the members of the local part of the forum who gave me support in this thread, especially Danijel91. They have written very beautiful things about me and my contribution to the forum. I hope it is enough for the formulation "good for the forum as a whole".
I would ask the administrator to reconsider my case and if is possible replace a permanent ban with a less severe punishment and give me a chance to further take part in the forum topic I find interesting and motivating.

[Daniel91]

Dear community,
Once again I apologize for the mistake in some of my early posts.
I also thanks to the members of the local part of the forum who gave me support in this thread, especially Danijel91. They have written very beautiful things about me and my contribution to the forum. I hope it is enough for the formulation "good for the forum as a whole".
I would ask the administrator to reconsider my case and if is possible replace a permanent ban with a less severe punishment and give me a chance to further take part in the forum topic I find interesting and motivating.

Thank you very much RegulusHr.
We really appreciate you and respect you in our Croatian community and didn't forget you.
As you can see, almost 2 months we fight here for you and we will continue to do so.
Why?
It's very simple, because it's the right thing to do.

[ovcijisir]

Dear community,
Once again I apologize for the mistake in some of my early posts.
I also thanks to the members of the local part of the forum who gave me support in this thread, especially Danijel91. They have written very beautiful things about me and my contribution to the forum. I hope it is enough for the formulation "good for the forum as a whole".
I would ask the administrator to reconsider my case and if is possible replace a permanent ban with a less severe punishment and give me a chance to further take part in the forum topic I find interesting and motivating.

RegulusHR I really hope that your contribution to the forum will be acknowledged, because if someone deserved it it is you.

[Daniel91]

Dear community,
Once again I apologize for the mistake in some of my early posts.
I also thanks to the members of the local part of the forum who gave me support in this thread, especially Danijel91. They have written very beautiful things about me and my contribution to the forum. I hope it is enough for the formulation "good for the forum as a whole".
I would ask the administrator to reconsider my case and if is possible replace a permanent ban with a less severe punishment and give me a chance to further take part in the forum topic I find interesting and motivating.

RegulusHR I really hope that your contribution to the forum will be acknowledged, because if someone deserved it it is you.

Even if admins will not acknowledge his contribution on this forum, his high reputation on our local section, we all did something great here.
Many Croatian and even Ex-Yu btc community members on this forum really acted as one and worked together to show their opinions about this case.
We already fighting almost 2 months for RegulusHr (and we will not give up) and it's extraordinary and very special action on this forum.
Guys, I'm really pride because of you all, thank you for your heart and effort offered.
It will be remembered.

[bernardos]

I hope that admins will find some time to take a look at this case concerning ReguluHr one more time and give him a chance to return on probation with no signature or whatever is needed.

[Daniel91]

Dear Admins

As I see here, almost 2 months since RegulusHr started this topic, and even contacted several times admins with email and pm, still there is no answer.
I understand that admins and moderators are very busy on this forum and there are many such requests daily but after so long time I think that RegulusHr, and whole Croatian community, really deserve some definitive answer about this issue.
I don't think that you will find many (if any) topics here, on Meta, where so many members sharing their very positive impressions and experiences about banned member and asking that you remove permaban, still 2 months after RegulusHr received his permaban.
How long we should continue this discussion, requesting answer from admins/mods?
3.6 months, year or two?
He helped a lot members on this forum personally, organized offline meeting for all of us, earned a lot merits by himself (for good quality posts), was community leader etc.
For more about his great contribution to this forum and why so many forum users feel that his permaban should be removed please read other posts in this topic.

[cryptofrka]

After recent events in which a respected forum member's permaban has been lifted (rightfully, in my opinion), we would like to ask again for reconsideration of permaban punishment to one of our local boards' most respected members as well.

RegulusHr deserves another chance too, please take some time to revise this case.
I feel as if enough has been said already but please feel free to ask if you need any more information regarding his contribution to our board and our local community.

[Daniel91]

I have to share that this case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114253.0 gave great hope and expatiation in the Croatian community that permaban for RegulusHr will be removed.
We feel that his case is also good candidate for something like this, based on the all arguments shared in this topic.
At least, we feel that after 3 full months RegulusHr deserve final answer from the admins.
Thank you for understanding. 

[Trofo]

I also feel that we as a community have already said everything worth saying on this topic. IMHO we have managed to show that RegulusHR is outstanding member of Croatian local section. Now we can only hope that somebody will evaluate this case and exchange permaban with a punishment more fit for an individual like RegulusHr.

[big_daddy]

Dear Admins

I'm writing to support our local forum member RegulusHr, who started this topic almost 3 months ago
He contributed to the local but also to the rest of the forum, from my point of view, the contribution was positive

As a forum member and as a local forum member I am kindly asking Admins to give the opportunity to the user RegulusHr for a second chance

Best regards

[Daniel91]

I'm really shocked that after more than 3 months of waiting, admins still didn't answer this request.
I know that RegulusHr several times sent personal messages to admins but also didn't receive any answer.
You could see from previous posts that RegulusHr is well respected member in the local community.
Also, I think that we all shared a lot very good arguments why this permaban should be removed.
We know several cases when admins removed permaban for some other members on the forum.
Because of this we all had great hope that RegulusHr will come back finally but still there is no answer.
Because of this, many members in our local community feel that Regulus didn't have honest treatment and equal chance for forgiveness like some other members on this forum.
Some members feel like ''second class'' members on this forum.
I hope that admins will do right thing here and remove this permaban after more than 3 months.
We will not give up from this case because we feel that RegulusHr also deserve second chance, even if he was active only in the local section on this forum.

[Branko]

I'm really shocked that after more than 3 months of waiting, admins still didn't answer this request.
I know that RegulusHr several times sent personal messages to admins but also didn't receive any answer.
You could see from previous posts that RegulusHr is well respected member in the local community.
Also, I think that we all shared a lot very good arguments why this permaban should be removed.
We know several cases when admins removed permaban for some other members on the forum.
Because of this we all had great hope that RegulusHr will come back finally but still there is no answer.
Because of this, many members in our local community feel that Regulus didn't have honest treatment and equal chance for forgiveness like some other members on this forum.
Some members feel like ''second class'' members on this forum.
I hope that admins will do right thing here and remove this permaban after more than 3 months.
We will not give up from this case because we feel that RegulusHr also deserve second chance, even if he was active only in the local section on this forum.

Actually, specially because of the bold part...local forum seems like 50% less active than before he was banned

[Bokile]

And after three months we are still active in this topic. I'm not sure will I do that for my brother It's simple: Give him one more chance.

[slackovic]

I must admit I didn't have time to check out this topic for a month. Now I did and I am shocked that no one of the admins answered! On the last page there are messages from no one but our local Croatian community. That's not how an appeal should work, is it? I know that there are a lot of users on this forum and it's hard to manage it, but when you see how much local community is defending one user, don't you think that it would be OK to answer them?

[cryptofrka]

Guys, please stop meriting these posts. It will once again be the same story as at the beginning. Now it will seem we are writing here because we are being 'rewarded'. They said we are writing here only because Regulus was our merit source.

I will say it again - if there are exceptions to the rules (which are mostly good due to a huge amount of spammers and double accounts), we at least deserve an answer from one of the admins. It is unfair to just pretend that this will go away. It probably will at some point but it is definitely sending the wrong message.

The punishment, although according to the forum rules, was in this specific case way too strict - simply because the rules were made for spamming/farming accounts and not users like Regulus. But we are not even requesting that rules need to be changed, we only want to know that somebody looked into this case and made their own conclusions.

It is really unfair to a member as highly rated as Regulus that nobody even looked at this case for months.

[alanst]

This thread is starting to become annoying...

The rules are simple and he broke them. You have already been told countless times that thousands of users are banned daily for the same thing he did, respectable or not, the rules are for everyone regardless of their status and initial intentions, plagiarism = permaban.

...local forum seems like 50% less active than before he was banned

Of course it is, there's no reason to post if there's no one there to merit them, right?

All I see is users which are hungry for merit whining that their merit farm source is dead due to stealing posts.

Almost four months later, still the best thing i've read in this thread...

[Branko]

Almost four months later, still the best thing i've read in this thread...

Almost four months later, you're still dumb enough to not notice we DON'T CARE
if his merit source status is removed, yet you feel urge to post here

Let me do it for you

Regarding the community support - I can understand reservations there as well. You can test it easily - revoke Regulus's ban, remove negative trust but remove him as a merit source.
We as a community will progress a bit harder but if we are honest, we will be pleased because a member we cared about is back in our community.

This would not be fair too because he was actually a great merit source and did the job thoroughly but would serve as a way to show that we support the man and not the milking cow.

[alanst]

Almost four months later, still the best thing i've read in this thread...

Almost four months later, you're still dumb enough to not notice we DON'T CARE
if his merit source status is removed, yet you feel urge to post here

Let me do it for you

Regarding the community support - I can understand reservations there as well. You can test it easily - revoke Regulus's ban, remove negative trust but remove him as a merit source.
We as a community will progress a bit harder but if we are honest, we will be pleased because a member we cared about is back in our community.

This would not be fair too because he was actually a great merit source and did the job thoroughly but would serve as a way to show that we support the man and not the milking cow.

This is one of the reasons I stated that this thread is becoming annoying. The fact that you don't care makes me dumb?  You don't care about what will happen if one user is unbanned for something that thousands of other users are banned for daily? And I'm the dumb one...

You only care about your local section, that's what bothers me and that's what each and every one of you are saying indirectly...."F the rules, he's better, forgive him", yet, at some point, he knowingly did something against the rules.

In my opinion, the power of example is the best one. With him as an example, all of you will know better next time you'll want to increase your post count by stealing someone else's work!

Also, don't you think that a mod/admin would have replied if they would have considered unbanning? Silence is also a pretty clear answer...

[cryptofrka]

First of all, let's keep it civil here.

Of course it is, there's no reason to post if there's no one there to merit them, right?

We have another merit source, it is not due to that.

You only care about your local section, that's what bothers me and that's what each and every one of you are saying indirectly...."F the rules, he's better, forgive him", yet, at some point, he knowingly did something against the rules.

In my opinion, the power of example is the best one. With him as an example, all of you will know better next time you'll want to increase your post count by stealing someone else's work!

Also, don't you think that a mod/admin would have replied if they would have considered unbanning? Silence is also a pretty clear answer...

Yes, we care only about the local section. Is there a rule against that? Why should I participate in the English one when I'm able to participate in my local one? That's specifically the point of having a local section, is it not?

The power of example is usually the good thing, yes. So, let's set an example by answering to a ban appeal. According to rules, you can appeal to a ban - that's exactly what Regulus did.
If somebody answered and told us that the case is closed, we would consider it an injustice but we would at least have an answer. This is a specific case, the copied post is from 2017 if I remember correctly, when he was still a Newbie member and probably joined to participate in an Airdrop. 70% of these threads have since been deleted, he was unlucky his was not. These threads are such garbage anyway, he didn't copy Homer's Odyssey, he copied 'good post, this project moon soon' type of retarded post years ago. Since then, he was an exemplary member of our community and the last person that needs to be banned from our board.

Oh, and yeah - silence is NOT an answer and it should never be taken as such.

[mikeywith]

This thread is starting to become annoying...

i doubt that anybody uses your keyboard neither consuming your computer resources to post here, and you are certainly not forced to visit the thread, so stop whining and ignore the topic if you have nothing important to add.


I have gone through OP's posts (used dear google translator indeed) and I can clearly see that he was a decent poster, way too far from the average Joe who would copy and paste just for merit or post count.

is un-banning him "good for the forum as a whole" ? i say indeed yes.

notice that i don't know this member, can't speak his language but I do believe in second chances.

it's true that tons of spammers are being banned everyday, and being a good poster does not give you the right to break the forum rules, but this is not a court-martial and i believe theymos is open to exceptions, given the fact that good quality members make a very small percentage here, they should get some exception when things are not related to direct harm or scam.

[ovcijisir]

I was not visiting forum for nearly one month, and still no answer from forum staff.

I'm disappointed but not suprised ...

[eroejoe]

It wouldn't be first time nor last time that someone is unbanned.

If someone copy few senteces without quotes two years ago, and now that user got a ban, that ban shouldn't be at same level for someoene who doing these things continuously and for the user which spend hours and hours of writing original posts and organised meetings for community.
This permaban is unfair, because, "you" let him to do great things for community as a whole, and after so much work for forum as a whole, "you" give him a shoe to make a example for others. Good job!
For me this is example how much this community don't care about your great doings, and you could be the next Regulus.

[dikobraz123]

 I'm new here and I don't know RegulusHr personally. Also I don't spend much time on this forum (and occasional dwelling on Croatian sub-forum is part of that time).
Browsing through RegulusHr posts I must admit that this guy made quite a few good, informative and educational posts.

 Even more - it appears that this guy organized gathering for the regional crypto-community (and paid all the expenses of that gathering).
I bet that most of you from USA, Canada or western part of EU wouldn't tackle with that, would you? And most of you are probably earning 5x more than him, though...

 Any idea; in order to thrive; need committed individuals - and RegulusHr was exactly that (from my limited experience).
Maybe he made sins in his youth, but his later deeds greatly overweight the sins of youth.

My 2 cents...

[Daniel91]

This thread is starting to become annoying...

i doubt that anybody uses your keyboard neither consuming your computer resources to post here, and you are certainly not forced to visit the thread, so stop whining and ignore the topic if you have nothing important to add.


I have gone through OP's posts (used dear google translator indeed) and I can clearly see that he was a decent poster, way too far from the average Joe who would copy and paste just for merit or post count.

is un-banning him "good for the forum as a whole" ? i say indeed yes.

notice that i don't know this member, can't speak his language but I do believe in second chances.

it's true that tons of spammers are being banned everyday, and being a good poster does not give you the right to break the forum rules, but this is not a court-martial and i believe theymos is open to exceptions, given the fact that good quality members make a very small percentage here, they should get some exception when things are not related to direct harm or scam.

Thank you very much mikeywith.
I agree with you, we don't have many good members on this forum, people who contributed a lot to the forum by helping others and writing quality posts.

So, I really think, as well as many others who have already expressed their opinion here, that we shouldn't lose RegulusHr, a respected member of the local community, forever.
He is already banned almost 4 months, already apologized a few time for his mistakes and is ready to accept any future punishment, if needed.
After your post I realized what is the main problem here.
He mostly wrote in the local section, Croatian, so other members can't understand and see his great contribution on this forum.
You made effort to translate his posts and after that realized his great contribution on his forum and shared opinion that his permaban should be removed.
Obviously, we can't expect that other members on this forum will make the same effort and translate his posts.
Because of this, we, members in the local Croatian community, decided to start translation project and to translate the best posts from RegulusHR in English, so that everybody on this forum can understand his post and see his great contribution to this forum.
Based on this, we hope that all members here will see that RegulusHr deserve exception from the permaban, according to the condition established by theymos, "good for the forum as a whole".  
I will start first with my translation of the one post from RegulusHr, and other members of the Croatian community will follow with their own translations.
Already a lot members in the Croatian community joined this project and we will try to translate as many posts as possible from RegulusHr.
With this action, we want to prove that RegulusHr really deserve exception from the permaban based on his great contribution on the forum.

We asked RegulusHr and received his approval for these translations.
In every post we will first show link from the original post in English and after that English translation.

Below is my first translation.

Original post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4818132.msg43532974#msg43532974

My translation:

As a newcomer to the forum I recommend you to first view the topic register in Croatian sub forum where there are many topics dealing with mining.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3718248.0

Since I have analyzed today the state of the mining market my shortest answer would be don’t buy a graphics card for mining because I do not see the justification of such investment at this time.

I started mining about ten months ago and I bought 5xGTX1070 because it seemed to me the best decision at that time. Otherwise I'm a fan of nvidia cards and I always choose them first if it's even justified. Today I would not recommend nvidia cards for mining, their main advantage was that they could profitably mining many different algorithms and were simple to start mining (they do not need a fleece bios). Disadvantage is that they are expensive compared to AMD's RX series.
AMD cards were also good for mining the Ethasha algorithm (ETH is the most known currency that uses this algorithm. Currently the Ethash algorithm is most resilient on rush from ACIS machines but there is a great disadvantage what's in the announcement that Ethereum, which today have highest number of miners, all types of graphics cards soon pass to POS and it will no longer be profitable to mining. So I do not see at this point the profitability of mining graphics cards.
Calculate that the price of the currency, you are mining, in the future will increase so that you will earn for me in not some option.
Than better invest now this 1000 euros in some coin and wait that price of this coin increase. The point of mining to the small should be to adjust mining and check it once a week and not that you are standing over it all the time. Options to find a coin that may explode in the future or constantly changing in, at that moment, most cost-effective coin are not profitable for one of the miners and they require a lot of time and knowledge.
If you just decided and determined you're gonna start dealing with mining then I would recommend you to buy ASIC Antminer Z9 mini.
In my account he costs around 1000€ (ASIC 850$ + power supply 100$ + 50 $ postage + 250 $ customs).
With its features 10.0 kSol / s with 266W consumption current return on investment is under 90 days.
The guarantee is 180 days

 

[cryptofrka]

Ok, let's proceed

Original post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3671333.msg46963394#msg46963394

Rough translation:

While preparing for the forum hangout, I finally visited the Bitcoin store exchange in City Centre East. I arrived by car so I parked at the garage and I saw that I parked right in front of the entrance next to which the exchange is located – as can be seen by the big billboard. There were no other customers inside the exchange so I explained to the girl working there how much approximately in BTC and ETH I'd like to sell. After she told me how much I would be getting, I rounded it down and she turned the monitor to me so I can scan the QR code (address). She read the BTC amount (8 decimals) out loud once again and after another check I completed the transaction. Both transactions were completed in less than a minute, because I paid attention that the network fee is high enough. They paid out my kuna, separately for each transaction. All went quickly and elegantly.
Between the transactions I wrote the current BTC and ETH values from CoinMarketCap so I have exact values for future analysis.
The analysis is as follows:
At the date of conversion, the HNB's exchange rate for USD was 6,393771.
1 BTC on CoinMarketCap was worth 6.574,53 USD, when we change that to Kuna we get 42.036,04 HRK.
Based on the receipt from Bitcoin Store the BTC exchange was done at a price of 38.837,58 HRK. Based on that, the difference ammounts to 8,24%.

1 ETH on CoinMarketCap was worth 209,31 USD, when we change that to Kuna we get 1.338,28 HRK.
Based on the receipt from Bitcoin Store the ETH exchange was done at a price of 1.233,51 HRK. Based on that, the difference ammounts to 8,49%.

I intentionally use the word difference instead of fee, because these percentages include all the fees (besides the network fee) and not only the Bitcoin Store fee. Basically, I was really happy with these percentages because here you can sell whenever you want to and when you search for a buyer yourself, it is hard to find one at a moment that suits you best for selling.
I recommend everybody to inform themselves about network fee prices before visiting the exchange to make sure they are choosing the fee that is high enough for instant transaction. My fees for instant transactions were 0,14 USD for BTC transaction and 0,02 USD for ETH transaction.
ETH fee: https://ethgasstation.info/
BTC fee: https://bitcoinfees.info/

At the very beginning, the girl asked me whether I want to leave my e-mail address and telephone number but she said it is not a requirement.
Another important thing to add, the limit for cash transaction without leaving personal info has been lowered from 15.000,00Kn per person to 7.500,00Kn.
I was also wondering if they control the incoming address when checking the limits but I forgot to ask. All in all, that's not that important.

Why I feel it is important:

A senior poster who many new people will trust found time to thoroughly analyze the conversion rates, left useful links for checking the fees and informed us all about the new limit for 'no-ID'transactions. All in all, a very informative post for everyone - a crypto Newbie who will now see the whole exchange process and all fees and to us a bit more experienced who got the information about lower limits - something that is really important.

[big_daddy]

Here is my translation of this original post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3196935.msg33165145#msg33165145

My translation:

Encouraged by the great interest for Airdrops and Bounty Campaigns, I have decided to write this post to briefly describe the strategy and my own experience on what to do after you get your first tokens.
I think the text is relevant for tokens up to $ 100-150. Later, I'll explain why.
As the majority of today's tokens are based on the Ethereum platform (these tokens are mostly called ERC20 Tokens) I've adapted the text to explain the trading with these tokens. In the text I will not describe how to trade with tokens on EtherDelta, cause there are a lot of tutorials on Youtube, the same thing applies for  the MetaMask, wich I strongly recommend to use.
It can be that I will turn attention on some details that was difficult to find.
After signing up for tokens to be airdropped or by doing a Bounty campaign, after a month two, your first token is deployed to your address. The first thing that you whant to know is the value of the token.
To check if the tokens has arrived on your address and what value they have I reccomand to use ethplorer.io, here you can see chronologically all the tokens you got, cause in a month or two, if you was diligent iun your work, the list can become crowded. If the tokens are officially listed elsewhere, you will immediately see their value. If the tokens are not yet officially listed their value can be checked on EtherDelta. To do this you will need a contract address, a token symbol, and a number of decimal places. All those contract details can be found on ethplorer.io.
Since EtherDelta is not quite a user friendly interface, I have just recently discovered where to enter the contract information that interests me and is not officially listed. In the upper left corner you have a drop-down list with all officially listed tokens and on the bottom you have an option where  to insert the data on your token ("Other").
There is another web site, DeltaBalances, where you could directly see the token value (this option is no longer working), this site can be used to see what tokens has been distributed to your address, and by clicking on the token itself you can see the available markets where those tokens can be traded, like EtherDelta or Fork Delta, without the need to insert manually the information under "Other" on EtherDelta.
DeltaBalances also shows some tokens that are assigned to each ETH address, but they worth nothing, so just ignore them.
Here you can see for example a comparative token list on the same ETH address on ethplorer.io and DeltaBalances, notice that only the RBL tokens are transferred to the address.
When you should sell the recived tokens?
The tokens who are connected to one successful project will have a low value after the distribution of the airdrop or/and bounty prizes to the partecipants. You have to wait a n exchange listing where the increase of the trading volume should positive affect the increas in value too. If your plan is to sell tokens immediately, do it as soon as possible than, the brst time sould be the first day after the listing, you are trying to catch here an investor who has missed the  ICO, for example. The only good thing about selling such a quick sale is that you will get some money from those tokens that will eventually collapse because, as a rule, in those first days you still don't know his destiny.
If you decide to hold, then wait until the token is listed on some exchange with a bigger trading volume. Keep yourself informed, read all the information provided by a team working on a token that you are trading with.

Why trade on EtherDelta or ForkDelta?
For those who don't  know ForkDelta is an EtherDelta clone and both sites use the same trading agreement. But there is one difference. The sale of the token that is made on EtherDel will also be seen on ForkDelti while the reverse is not valid. That's why is good to create dals on EtherDelta and watch the market situation on ForkDelta.
At the beginning I've mentioned that this text is good for tokens with a value up to $ 100. The main reason for this because of  the exchange exit fees. If you want to withdraw BTC or ETH from the exchange, you can be chargerd ~5-10$, which sometimes exceeds the token value itself. The fees you have to pay on EtherDelta are the network charge for the token transfer (between $ 0.01 and $ 0.15), exchange access fee (0.3% of the token value), and a network fee for withdrawing ETH from the exchange. As a rule, if you are willing to wait twenty minutes for the transaction to run, both transactions will be under $ 0.20. You can merge multiple tokens into one transaction and save even more on fees.
The fee on EtherDelta can be marked as only 0.3%, that is negligible at all.

To optimize the transaction speed and the price of the tx itself use Ethgasstation. After a few transactions you will already be practicing and getting the feeling of how low you can go with Gas to make it all going reasonably fast. I usually use SafeLow + 20% of Gas price, and in such cases I go to 90% SafeLow.
Edit 7.5.18. If you have put too low gas price

It's a very detailed manual on Croatian, what to do when you get the first tokens, that can help every ICO investor, bounty hunter or newbie
Sharing his own experience, RegulusHR, helped a lot of local board users

Best regards,
big_daddy

[bernardos]

Original post by RegulusHr: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3671333.msg36747904#msg36747904

English translation:

First crypto currency exchange opened in Croatia

I don’t know if you saw this announcement but it could be very interesting, especially for those who like to talk to someone and get their opinion before buying/selling crypto currencies.
Their commission fee is 5% when trading with fiat.
My question is do they ask for ID verification? Does anyone have any experience with them? I hope that someone from Split will go and try their services and write about their impressions.

http://www.poslovni.hr/tehnologija/hrvatska-dobila-svoju-prvu-fizicku-mjenjacnicu-kriptovaluta-raste-broj-zaposlenih-340656
http://bitcoin-store.hr/#/
https://crobitcoin.com/ducan-za-kriptovalute-otvoren-u-splitu/

[Trofo]

Original post by RegulusHr:
Multisignature address and wallet

My translation of linked post:

💰💰 Multisignature address and wallet 💰💰

Discussion regarding forum security has triggered my memory (read something a long time ago) and made me research into one of BTC address features which is the possibility of BTC transaction to be signed with multiple private keys.
The idea is that there are multiple private keys for one public address. The keys don't have to be on same device or even in possession of the same person and to execute the transaction you need multiple signatures. You can find more details here

There is a lot of combinations, ie. you can create 3 private keys and configure it that 2 of them are enough to execute transaction. You can have one key on computer wallet, second on mobile phone and third on USB stick (or Ledger Nano). Since you would probably use computer key most often, the second key on mobile phone is actually working like personal 2FA authentication.

It is not probable that some hacker will succeed to gain 2 of your keys at the same time because he would need get into two of your devices. If you can't access one of your devices you can still use your assets immediately (you can also make backups of all your keys).
List of wallets which can use multisignature addresses with short descriptions you can findhere.

Personally I like Electrum because it is wallet available on multiple platforms, has portable version (USB stick) and I already have it installed on my computer. There is also a tutorial on how to create Multisignature wallet with Electrum.

If some of you have experience with multisignature addresses please share it with us here.

I chose this post as my contribution because it was a trigger for me to experiment a bit with multisig wallets. I heard about them before but didn't started deep research/using them before reading Regulus post in Croatian section.

[mikeywith]

I have not been around for so long, but this got to be one of the most interesting ban appeal topics, judging by the amount of work these members are putting , they must have missed the banned user really bad, it makes me think , if i was ever banned for whatever reason, will anybody really give a fuck ? probably not.

i did comment on this case last month, i skimmed again through the banned member's posts and I still think he is worthy of an exception, I am not sure if there have been any successful ban appeals that were caused by plagiarism, but if there is , then I think this guy has a good chance.

[Pmalek]

The problem here is that many members believe that the Croatian board is standing up for Regulus because they want their merit source back or the milking cow, how it was referred to in one of the posts. In reality Regulus will never be a merit source again, it is not likely to happen and nobody in the Croatian board expects that. if he is forgiven he will also probably receive a signature ban as well and he said he is OK with that.

Many people know Regulus in real life and got to meet him when he organised a meeting for the local community a while ago. He has a lot of support but unfortunately that support comes only from the members belonging to the same sub board. 

mikeywith seems to be the only neutral member who took a look at Regulus's posts and agrees with the Croatian community. Would be good if some other neutral members could browse through his posts the way mikey did and post here what they find.

[mikeywith]

The problem here is that many members believe that the Croatian board is standing up for Regulus because they want their merit source back or the milking cow

I have not read the comments, but it's safe to assume that many members have this conspiracy theory occupying a huge part of their brains, the theory however is not completely invalid.

anyhow, it is almost certain that if this member is to be un-banned, there is probably less than 0.00001% chance for him becoming a merit source again, so if this is the only reason why his community are standing up for him( which i doubt), then i suggest one of them should apply for merit source already.

[Daniel91]

The problem here is that many members believe that the Croatian board is standing up for Regulus because they want their merit source back or the milking cow

I have not read the comments, but it's safe to assume that many members have this conspiracy theory occupying a huge part of their brains, the theory however is not completely invalid.

anyhow, it is almost certain that if this member is to be un-banned, there is probably less than 0.00001% chance for him becoming a merit source again, so if this is the only reason why his community are standing up for him( which i doubt), then i suggest one of them should apply for merit source already.

I already applied and become merit source in January (just a few days before RegulusHr received permaban), so we don't have problem with that.
In fact, I created topic in the local section where all local members can report good quality posts and if such posts pass my judgment, I give merit.
So, in our local community we have merit source and this is not issue any more.
I would like to ask something.
Does anybody think seriously that local members still supporting RegulusHR here, even 4 months after he received permaban, because they are hoping that he will again become merit source?
Seriously?
If his permaban will be removed, what will be only second or third such case in the history of this forum, he will be lucky if will be allowed to write posts here or to have signature without any restrictions.
Don't you think that there is another reason that is much more likely and logical for such great support for RegulusHr, support that is unrecorded in the history of this forum?
By reading translations of his posts, prepared by local members, and reading how much these posts meant to many young members of our community, I think that all neutral members on this forum can understand importance of RegulusHr for this forum.
Based on that, and based on the condition established by the admin for the exception from permaban, "good for the forum as a whole" we ask for removal of his permaban.

We will not give up from RegulusHR and will continue this campaign how long it takes, 2 more months, 6 months, 1 year or more, doesn't matter.
The only thing we are looking for and expecting is to have someone finally review this case and decides fairly and in accordance with all the facts.
I think that we don't ask to much here.
Don't you think so?

[ovcijisir]

The problem here is that many members believe that the Croatian board is standing up for Regulus because they want their merit source back or the milking cow

I have not read the comments, but it's safe to assume that many members have this conspiracy theory occupying a huge part of their brains, the theory however is not completely invalid.

anyhow, it is almost certain that if this member is to be un-banned, there is probably less than 0.00001% chance for him becoming a merit source again, so if this is the only reason why his community are standing up for him( which i doubt), then i suggest one of them should apply for merit source already.

Does anybody think seriously that local members still supporting RegulusHR here, even 4 months after he received permaban, because they are hoping that he will again become merit source?
Seriously?

To everyone who thinks that milking merit is the motivation behind this ban appeal I have only one thing to say - it says more about you then us.
Not everyone is motivated on greed and I would like that anyone who participates on this topic acknowledge this.

If his permaban will be removed, what will be only second or third such case in the history of this forum, he will be lucky if will be allowed to write posts here or to have signature without any restrictions.
Don't you think that there is another reason that is much more likely and logical for such great support for RegulusHr, support that is unrecorded in the history of this forum?

There is more then enough evidence to prove that RegulusHR is great asset to this community as well as human being. It is so weird that staff members stay silent for so long??

[bernardos]

Here is another post written by Regulus for the Croatian local board.
Original post in Croatian:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2518444.0


Experience with purchasing IT equipment with Bitcoins in Croatia

I decided to test and see how paying with bitcoins works in Croatia. I was mostly interested to find out how much the purchase would eventually cost when compared to paying with cash. I believe my experience will be interesting to other forum users as well.

Two shops that are selling IT equipment in Croatia accept BTC, namely UZI Shop and Futura Informatička Tehnologija. Considering that Uzi offers a two year warranty on graphic cards, I decided to make my purchase in Futura.
I decided to buy GTX1070 Inno3D GeForce GTX 1070 iChill X4.

The price when paying with cash was 3699,00 Kn. If you choose to pay with BTC the price increases to 3822.26 Kn which is a price increase of 3.3%.
After accepting the terms and conditions, the site redirects you to Bitpay where you can see how much BTC you need to pay (in my case it was 0.055687 BTC) and what is the current BTC rate. You have 15 minutes to finalize the transaction, when the transaction is executed you still need to wait for the transaction to be included in one of the next blocks and then the payment is considered to have been completed. In the window that opens, there are two possibilities to make the payment. One is via a QR Code, and in the other you can manually fill in the amount and BTC address where the bitcoins need to be sent.
The graphics card was delivered to my home address by a courier service the very next day.

This is how a successful transaction looks like:
https://imgur.com/a/Z3Hd7

When you multiply the BTC value (on Bitpays page) in Kunas with the amount of BTC you need to pay, the total cost for the graphics card is 3838.84Kn, a bit more than what is shown on Futura’s site. It is probably due to an additional fee payable to Bitpay.
At the time of the transaction, the BTC rate at https://coinmarketcap.com was $ 11,020.00
On 29.11.2017. the exchange rate of the US dollar was 6,360000 Kn according to HNB.
In addition to that, I also paid a network fee of 0.00089262 BTC or $ 9.84 or 62.58 Kn.
When multiplying all the numbers it turns out that the card cost me:
0.05657962 BTC
$ 623.51 (0.05657962 x 11020.00)
3965.52 Kn (623.51 x 6.36)

[jademaxsuy]

I just had a quick look through OP's posts and found one more example of copied text, it is short (98 characters) but definitely copied as it's taken from the same topic 5 hours later.

I am loving couple of things about your project. First of all, it looks well organized and planned. Very few coins care to work within a plan. Distribution of coin is also intelligent. All the best for your project and it's success.   

I'm loving couple of things about your project. First of all, it looks well organized and planned. When I evaluate the seriousness of a project I like to see the images of people in the team and especially the link to their Linkedin profile, it gives seriousness to the whole project.

I think it's a very good move that you conditioned participation in the airdrop with writing a constructive comment or question.

As a bonus there is a third guy with the same post which I'm now going to report:

I am loving couple of things about your project. First of all, it looks well organized and planned. Very few coins care to work within a plan. Distribution of coin is also intelligent. All the best for your project and it's success.

This is the fact that OP has been ban forever. The copied and paste post is enough already for OP to stop complaining. There are many ban users here in the forum and others had been accepted the fact already. So, I guess it will be a matter of time so that OP will going to accept the fate of his/her bitcoinalk precious account.

Theymos and moderators will not going to lift the ban OP. They are just silent because the permban was decided already.

[big_daddy]

We understand the meaning of the word permanently, but the admin itself established the exception of the permanent ban if the user or users "prove" that a permanently banned user meets the requirement for an exception

There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

This is the reason why we are translating RegulusHr's posts so all users can understand it and to prove that RegulusHr fulfills the condition for the exception of the permban

[Branko]

As a bonus there is a third guy with the same post which I'm now going to report:

I am loving couple of things about your project. First of all, it looks well organized and planned. Very few coins care to work within a plan. Distribution of coin is also intelligent. All the best for your project and it's success.

This is the fact that OP has been ban forever. The copied and paste post is enough already for OP to stop complaining. There are many ban users here in the forum and others had been accepted the fact already. So, I guess it will be a matter of time so that OP will going to accept the fate of his/her bitcoinalk precious account.

Theymos and moderators will not going to lift the ban OP. They are just silent because the permban was decided already.

Actually, simple google search:

https://www.google.hr/search?q=%22I+am+loving+couple+of+things+about+your+project.+First+of+all,+it+looks+well+organized+and+planned.%22&filter=0&biw=1920&bih=975

will tell you theres a lot of people using exactly the same sentence (and not banned for it). But checking most of them, you'll notice that its basically all they ever did

(making posts like that) unlike RegulusHR who made one time offense, and otherwise posted above average quality posts

[morvillz7z]

theres a lot of people using exactly the same sentence (and not banned for it).

Correct, a lot of people have copy pasted that same sentence, but as I see it everyone is banned. (10+accounts)

If indeed someone is left unreported, please give me a link and I will report him.

Consider this a free bump #freeRegulusHr

[jademaxsuy]

So now, theymos had made another update with ban appeals and ban methods. As to what I have read from the inputs of other users stating that there is no permban already but there are consequencies.

This is somehow a good way to prevent the going down numbers of users that are active in the forum. Imagine if there are 5K bans per day or per month then how many active users will stay? This will diminished the users ideas and inputs for the betterment of cryptocurrency in the future because we need everyone here in the forum to contribute meaningfully and help enlighten other users especially to the newbies or new comers.

I admire theymos now taking another step for the good of forum. Removing permban and replacing it to punishements for the offenses will make a user to still participate in the forum removing some of its features like wearing signature for about some time.

 I suggest to make it this way on the time frame for one that cannot wear signature.

6 months for the first offense
1 year for the second offense
1 1/2 year for the third offense
then permban for the 4th offense.

[Daniel91]

Here is original post from RegulusHR: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1671371.msg48630307#msg48630307

My translation is below:

It's true that cards convert almost all 100% of the current into the heat but it does not make sense to use it primarily for heating. This with a quartz heater of less power is subjective because the same curret directly converts to the heat and by me are totally unprofitable devices except for handy heating.
In the first and second case you turn your electricity into heat in a ratio of 1 to 1 which means for 1kWh of electricity you get 1kWh of heat energy at a temperature of 50-90 ° C..
Heat pumps are devices which best exploit electricity for heating with a factor of 2 to 3.5, which would mean that for 1 kWh of electricity you get 2 to 3.5 kWh of heat energy where the outlet temperature is about 40-50 ° C.
Therefore, heat pumps should be used for heating to electricity. The most famous heat pumps are air conditioners so if you have a new inverter air conditioner which can heat up while the outside temperature is approx. -5 ° C then there is no more cost-effective heating (only heating on wood is more cost-effective).
I deliberately wrote -5 ° C although manufacturers usually write -10 or -15°C but then air conditioner efficiency decreases significantly.
So, in order to avoid pretense, to buy rig for heating so that by the way some coin stay is crazy.

Very helpful and informative post from a very experienced member.

[cryptofrka]

I saw the new ban wave and it seems that it actually brought something good with it as well.

Global mods were given the ability to ban signatures only yesterday. Do you think we can get through all the appeals in one day? Be patient.

Some members already received their accounts back with signature ban so I will use this news to bump the case of RegulusHR once more.

We have demonstrated a strong case for reducing his punishment so please go through this thread as well. He is worthy of a ban removal in the eyes of all local board members.

[ovcijisir]

This is one more post where RegulusHR helped members of our local forum.

He made analysis of ICO for company that would make automated KYC.

Original thread can be found here.

Following is my translation of that post:

Idea behind project:
Truewho will be online identity confirmation service. Idea is to avoid doing KYC procedure on every exchange or project for which you are interested. Truewho service will guarantee with their reputation for truthfullness of data you have given to exchange / project and guarantee protection of your personal information. Idea seems very good to me, and team of Electroneum ponders to provide same or similar service, so probably there will be competition.

Token economy:
Nominal value of token is 1 WHO = $0,2
In whitepaper they didn't wrote how big is hard cap and soft cap. On their Telegram channel they answered me that soft cap is 2 million dollars, and hard cap is 60 million dollars. According to my calculation if they sell all tokens that are allocated for sale, hard cap should be 80 million dollars. In presale they give 50% bonus, while in ICO bonus is 5% and drops to zero when they sell half of the tokens.
At the moment presale is active for which they allocated 2 million dollars worth of tokens.

Presale is active from 15.09. until all the tokens are sold or 19.10.2018.
ICO starts 19.10.2018. until 21.1.2019.

Project will make income by selling user verification services to various companies. They also plan to make income from users if they want to share access to their personal information to third party, but third party is not willing to pay for it.

Bounty:
Details of bounty campaign are not yet published, but they will be soon. They start with marketing campaign starting October.
For now you can earn some tokens with registration and passing KYC on their webpage.


Team:
I found out for this project because I follow the news about Dropil project, and first five people behind Truewho are the same people like in Dropil. Dropil is good project with stabile price of the token even in bear market and I have good opinion about the team. The idea is that Dropil will be first user of Truewho services. Difference between Dropil and Truewho is that Dropil is ERC20 token and Truewho is Stellar platform token. Team promises that you wil get activated Stellar address with enough XLM to cover the expenses of large number of transactions. Truewho company is registered on Malta 04.07.2018. The reason why Malta is chosen is because of EU directive of personal data protection, and the founders are from USA.

Impression:
The core of project is user database, and initial webpage is open and the database is starting to fill. Until the start of ICO they plan to have working solution. Everything is still in early phase, they are at the beginning, and they focus on web page optimisation.
2 million soft cap is in my opinion more then enougt for project to start. For this type of project the marketing and contact with potential clients are essence. That is why there is so big difference between soft cap and hard cap. I don't see other reason why would they need 60 million dollars.

Conclusion:
Idea behind this project is good and it comes in the right time, because there is KYC flood coming. In the end fate of this project will depend on marketing, and if the project builds reputation I believe that a lot of teams will let Truewho to take care of KYC, not only in crypto world.
Negative side is extremely high hard cap.

Links:
Web page: https://truwho.com/
Telegram: https://t.me/truwho
ANN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5039376.new#new
Bounty thread: -

[slocker]

So now, theymos had made another update with ban appeals and ban methods. As to what I have read from the inputs of other users stating that there is no permban already but there are consequencies.

This is somehow a good way to prevent the going down numbers of users that are active in the forum. Imagine if there are 5K bans per day or per month then how many active users will stay? This will diminished the users ideas and inputs for the betterment of cryptocurrency in the future because we need everyone here in the forum to contribute meaningfully and help enlighten other users especially to the newbies or new comers.

I admire theymos now taking another step for the good of forum. Removing permban and replacing it to punishements for the offenses will make a user to still participate in the forum removing some of its features like wearing signature for about some time.

 I suggest to make it this way on the time frame for one that cannot wear signature.

6 months for the first offense
1 year for the second offense
1 1/2 year for the third offense
then permban for the 4th offense.

This I think could be good for forum. If this could be done with RegulusHR case. He could be here but not allowing to wear signature but think that its long period for this. It could be 3, 6 and 12 months as final then permaban with some list of tracking users on this list.

[Daniel91]

It's great to see that so many bans are removed, some even just in a few hours but here, user RegulusHR still waiting that someone answer his ban appeal almost half year!
I think that we already many times explained very well why ban for RegulusHR should be removed and it will be great that admins finally review this case.

[Daniel91]

Here is another great post from RegulusHr about mining.
Link from original post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3052292.msg31914563#msg31914563

Just wanted to write how ccminer/enemy-1.03 is much better when mining x16r algo then other options when I saw it is included in new version of cryptoguiminer. I am still testing it for now but it reports average hashrate of 46MH/s on pool page (average in 12 hours, 5xGTX1070) which is in line with declared values on https://cryptoguiminer.com, the miner itself shows hashrate of 47-52MH/s. Pool always reports little less, so I am happy with results.

When you notice that your miner has lower hashrate then declared, first check mining software. You can check what other miners use on pool pages which can help a lot.
https://cryptopool.party/site/miners

@Z.X. has made a good point that in case when you often switch the coin you are mining you end up with small amount of coins on multiple exchanges. I decided to solve this by mining coins from same exchanges instead the most feasible one at that moment.  
Exchanges have exit fees which can significantly change the total feasibility of mining. Ie. Crypto bridge has exit fee of 0.0010 BTC, which means that my machine needs whole day of work just to cover that exit fee.

[ovcijisir]

Here is another great post from RegulusHr about mining.
Link from original post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3052292.msg31914563#msg31914563

~

One more post that shows RegulusHR's dedication to our local crypto community.

I just hope that all the posts we translated to show RegulusHR's contributions to the forum will hasten the process of ban removal...

[Lucius]

I have to admit it's really weird that RegulusHr perma ban is not removed so far, especially since the members of his community have made great efforts to show that this member deserves punishment for plagiarism as everyone else. I am not sure how much posts of RegulusHr is involved with plagiarism, maybe 2 or 3, but I see members like this whose post history is full of plagiarized posts, and they get almost instant perma ban removing.

I also see that this user is get red trust from DT (Lauda) for plagiarism, is this even something that deserve negative feedback?

[Lauda]

I also see that this user is get red trust from DT (Lauda) for plagiarism, is this even something that deserve negative feedback?

I'll undo it if he's unbanned, sig. banned and removed as a merit source.

[cryptofrka]

I'll undo it if he's unbanned, sig. banned and removed as a merit source.

Whole community would support this.

[big_daddy]

Here is the original post from RegulusHR: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5029505.0

My translation is below:

Exchange voting is another way to earn some coins, it can bring a small but secure revenue, cause those coins/tokens are already issued and have some market value.

The idea is to vote for a coin or token to be listed on the exchange, and as a rule, the exchange does not charge, for the cost of listing, the winner of the voting contest.
In order to win in voting, the team leading the project encourages the community to vote for them, and offer some incentives as a reward. Those incentives are usually tokens/coins, sometimes it is a fixed amount per vote, and sometimes it can be a prize fund shared by a number of votes or voters.

The bad side of this way of making extra money is that teams sometimes have a condition to give the prize for the vote only if their coin is victorious (listed). Another bed side is that sometimes to be able to vote you must be a verified user on the exchange, which means the KYC protocol.

So far, I've been voting for projects that I've participated through an airdrop or signature campaign because I've seen a call to vote, from their team.
I earned the most with Rebelious tokens (~ $ 100 at the time of listing), but this was the golden age of crypto, December 2017. I recently earned something on the Ubex token as well, I received 1746 tokens worth about $ 20 at the current market value.
Usually, you can expect a ~10$ revenue from voting, and it's a really easy way to make some extra money.

I would like to hear your experiences and information about similar events in this topic. Share here if you find some interesting coin/token to vote for listing on some exchange, describe it in a few words and give the instruction on how to vote in order to receive the prize.

Another post where RegulusHR is explaining to our local community how to make some e extra money

[ReguluHr-alt]

I also see that this user is get red trust from DT (Lauda) for plagiarism, is this even something that deserve negative feedback?

I'll undo it if he's unbanned, sig. banned and removed as a merit source.

Signature ban is fine for me.
As I already stated, I have no problem to lose status of merit sourcer.

Can someone help to draw attention of responsible administrator on my case and this topic? It's been five months since I got a ban and I did not get any answer.

Lauda you are the most influential member of the forum who visited (wrote) on this topic, can you help?

[Daniel91]

I also see that this user is get red trust from DT (Lauda) for plagiarism, is this even something that deserve negative feedback?

I'll undo it if he's unbanned, sig. banned and removed as a merit source.

Signature ban is fine for me.
As I already stated, I have no problem to lose status of merit sourcer.

Can someone help to draw attention of responsible administrator on my case and this topic? It's been five months since I got a ban and I did not get any answer.

Lauda you are the most influential member of the forum who visited (wrote) on this topic, can you help?

It seems that admins still didn't see and review your appeal.
I'm sorry you have to wait for so long and I raise this topic for better visibility.

[ovcijisir]

I also see that this user is get red trust from DT (Lauda) for plagiarism, is this even something that deserve negative feedback?

I'll undo it if he's unbanned, sig. banned and removed as a merit source.

Signature ban is fine for me.
As I already stated, I have no problem to lose status of merit sourcer.

Can someone help to draw attention of responsible administrator on my case and this topic? It's been five months since I got a ban and I did not get any answer.

Lauda you are the most influential member of the forum who visited (wrote) on this topic, can you help?

It seems that admins still didn't see and review your appeal.
I'm sorry you have to wait for so long and I raise this topic for better visibility.

If all of those contributions discussed so far are not enough to end a ban, I wonder what contributions one person must have to have ban ended.

So far there were a few bans withdrawn, but I didn't explore why were they withdrawn. I guess for years of being contributing member of forum like RegulusHR was, or am I wrong?

[asche]

My attention was just brought to this from someone I know.

I must say, after seeing some exceptions being made for bans, the support OP got from his board is kind of overwhelming.

I fail to understand how in this particular case the permaban was not undone for time served + lenghty sig bann.

The fact he was solely active in the croatian board should not be a valid reason for this and I hope that if the case was dismissed, it was for a good reason.

I hope we will get a definitive answer one this one day.

[cryptofrka]

Well, I really have to hand it out to you, guys. You are amazing!

We are waiting for 5 months for an answer regarding permaban (please note - not ban removal per se - just an answer that somebody looked into this case and made a decision) for one of our members.

5 months. 150 days. That is the time needed to build a house. Learn a foreign language. Become an expert in Javascript. FFS, if you drove your car for 150 days, you would reach the Moon.

Meanwhile, asslickers get their permabans removed in less than a day. It is so funny to see how all of you boast with your forum reputations and consider yourselves mighty, just and important, but when you scratch the surface it becomes so clear you are nothing more than a bunch of people incapable of normally running a forum. I know you will think 'this guy is full of shit', but it is also a part of the problem you are having - your heads are so deep in your asses so you don't see clearly anymore.

So, deal with your politics, keep fighting between you like screaming children and continue measuring your d*cks, that is what is taking most of your time anyway.

I'm done with this shit - but not that anybody from you will care. You should though, because there is more people like me here than there are people like you, and when you drive all of us away with your pettiness and double standards, you will have nothing left besides 8000 spam accounts that your script will easily handle.

It tagged one of our great members 2-3 days ago as well, Branko, a 53-year-old IT guy. For copy/pasting. A year ago, for 1 post. Forgot to put quotes, bam, permaban. He will not even try to fight it, he saw that we did not get an answer here for 5 months.

Stalin looks like a nice guy compared to this shit.

Rage out, do what you will. Less and less people even care.

[marlboroza]

@cryptofrka maybe theymos knows something we don't so he doesn't want to reply because of that or maybe he is deeply sad because someone who become merit source with larger number of smerits turned out to be "c/p-person or maybe he was busy for last 5 months building house and he will maybe reply soon. I am also interested why some accounts are unbanned and regulus is not.

[suchmoon]

Rage out, do what you will. Less and less people even care.

Letting the steam out once in a while is good, it's just that you're directing it at the wrong people. Admins and mods are generally not part of any dramas here and they're the ones to make a decision in this case. And vice versa, the drama club members have fuck all to do with this. Besides neither Regulus nor Branko are innocent as you make it sound. I'd be happy to see both of them get a softer penalty on the account of their forum contributions but you're not gonna achieve that by yelling at staff as if they did something wrong.

Regulus has a decent appeal thread going on here - why don't you work on one for Branko as well.

maybe he was busy for last 5 months building house

I'd bet on him driving to the Moon.

[cryptofrka]

@cryptofrka maybe theymos knows something we don't so he doesn't want to reply because of that or maybe he is deeply sad because someone who become merit source with larger number of smerits turned out to be "c/p-person or maybe he was busy for last 5 months building house and he will maybe reply soon. I am also interested why some accounts are unbanned and regulus is not.

If Theymos is the one reading through all ban appeals and making every single decision alone, then we are more of a North Korean forum than a Soviet one. However, I doubt that is the case.
And yea, on a sidenote - you are Croatian, you read Reguls's posts and should really not be calling him a "c/p person". That 'good project, I support' airdrop post he was banned for is probably hidden somewhere in our post history as well, just waiting to be dug out by this shitty script.
Plagiarism is something else. It is a tough offense which should be dealt with harshly. Copying somebody's 4-word post is hardly plagiarism (although theoretically I can understand the connection).

Letting the steam out once in a while is good, it's just that you're directing it at the wrong people. Admins and mods are generally not part of any dramas here and they're the ones to make a decision in this case. And vice versa, the drama club members have fuck all to do with this. Besides neither Regulus nor Branko are innocent as you make it sound. I'd be happy to see both of them get a softer penalty on the account of their forum contributions but you're not gonna achieve that by yelling at staff as if they did something wrong.

But they did something wrong, did they not? They are completely ignoring the thread for 5 months. They lifted the ban from Bill Gator the same day. Probably others as well.
Neither Regulus nor Branko are 'innocent', the core point of this thread was to prove that the penalty was too harsh. Whatever advice you gave us, we followed. We are really feeling stupid already - if 20 of us is trying to make a point and we are constantly being ignored, it makes you feel like sh*t. Not even a reply? That shows a lack of manners as well.
Mods/admins should be cherrypicked and their primary interest should be making this forum as equal as possible for everybody. Their role should be one of guidance and support, not one of ignorance and double standards.

I am neither yelling nor trying to pick a fight. I am just trying to provide feedback.

Regulus has a decent appeal thread going on here - why don't you work on one for Branko as well.

I already told you he's 53. He'll be dead before the mighty mods evaluate it.

[Lauda]

@cryptofrka maybe theymos knows something we don't so he doesn't want to reply because of that or maybe he is deeply sad because someone who become merit source with larger number of smerits turned out to be "c/p-person or maybe he was busy for last 5 months building house and he will maybe reply soon. I am also interested why some accounts are unbanned and regulus is not.

If Theymos is the one reading through all ban appeals and making every single decision alone, then we are more of a North Korean forum than a Soviet one. However, I doubt that is the case.

Yet another emotional statement in the path of defending the fraud that is OP. Making Regulus anything was always a mistake. He does not need to be on the forum. If you like him, talk to him through other channels.

They lifted the ban from Bill Gator the same day. Probably others as well.

Gator is a degenerate account buyer; cases are not comparable.

[cryptofrka]

Once again, an outburst from you regarding the trivial things from my post. I will refrain from petty quarrels with you, it just ain't my cup of tea.

Bottom line - this thread is about Regulus's ban appeal. Bans were lifted (even from people you call degenerates) so we have the right to appeal and since you are not the one deciding, we will appeal until we hear from someone that is deciding.

[bill gator]

Gator is a degenerate account buyer; cases are not comparable.

</3 Am I a degenerate for a reason other than buying my account or are you being redundant?

I don't think they're trying to compare the content of the cases, rather they're making a point about the inconsistent action (or inaction) when it comes to ban appeals.

I also see that this user is get red trust from DT (Lauda) for plagiarism, is this even something that deserve negative feedback?

I'll undo it if he's unbanned, sig. banned and removed as a merit source.

I thought plagiarism was something that staff is handling. Do we really require you to be the back-up enforcer on this matter?

[Lauda]

Once again, an outburst from you regarding the trivial things from my post. I will refrain from petty quarrels with you, it just ain't my cup of tea.

Bottom line - this thread is about Regulus's ban appeal. Bans were lifted (even from people you call degenerates) so we have the right to appeal and since you are not the one deciding, we will appeal until we hear from someone that is deciding.

If all the merit that he, unjustly, distributed in order to farm accounts in your section got reverted this would be pretty quiet other than a few circle-jerking friends of his. Russian, Turkish, Croatian, all the same. Nepotism and circle-jerking. There is no reason to unban OP.

[cryptofrka]

If all the merit that he, unjustly, distributed in order to farm accounts in your section got reverted this would be pretty quiet other than a few circle-jerking friends of his. Russian, Turkish, Croatian, all the same. Nepotism and circle-jerking. There is no reason to unban OP.

And the grumpiness turns to soft racism. Nice, I wonder how much further we can go with this.

Also, I'm a farm account? My merits are undeserved?
Nope, I just can't stand bullies. Especially fake keyboard ones.

[sergey1980]

cryptofrka maybe it's time to stop this humiliation and useless dialogue. The administration does not care about local boards, no one here will not read the appeal.  If your friend was needed for the administration, he would have been unbanned long ago.

[Daniel91]

cryptofrka maybe it's time to stop this humiliation and useless dialogue. The administration does not care about local boards, no one here will not read the appeal.  If your friend was needed for the administration, he would have been unbanned long ago.

Well, themos gave a clear answer about the criterion for removing permaban:

There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

So I hope you are not right and case of RegulusHr will be reviewed by admins, in accordance with the rules they have themselves determined.
If that does not happen, then that would mean that you were right and that would be a very sad day for the forum because it would mean admins didn't comply with their own rules.

[sergey1980]

You misunderstood the rules of the forum and its policies Here, no one owes you anything and should not. I studied a few dozen cases on the forum on appeals. I saw one user with 5 cases of plagiarism being punished for 1 year of the prohibition of carrying a signature. Another user for 1 case of plagiarism gets permoban. Some users do not even know the reasons for their ban.
The forum administration is not idiots If they wanted to, they would publish the criteria for the user’s usefulness on the forum or respond to appeals in order to avoid a huge amount of spam in the meta section.
I have nothing against your waiting appeal.
Your actions are like trying to smash a concrete wall with your head.
I corresponded with many banned users. The worst punishment is not a ban account. The user is upset only in the first days, in a month, 2 or 3 months and more sadness disappears. The worst punishment is when admins do not want to communicate with you.
Accept the fact of a ban on the forum and develop further your projects elsewhere.

[Daniel91]

You misunderstood the rules of the forum and its policies Here, no one owes you anything and should not. I studied a few dozen cases on the forum on appeals. I saw one user with 5 cases of plagiarism being punished for 1 year of the prohibition of carrying a signature. Another user for 1 case of plagiarism gets permoban. Some users do not even know the reasons for their ban.
The forum administration is not idiots If they wanted to, they would publish the criteria for the user’s usefulness on the forum or respond to appeals in order to avoid a huge amount of spam in the meta section.
I have nothing against your waiting appeal.
Your actions are like trying to smash a concrete wall with your head.
I corresponded with many banned users. The worst punishment is not a ban account. The user is upset only in the first days, in a month, 2 or 3 months and more sadness disappears. The worst punishment is when admins do not want to communicate with you.
Accept the fact of a ban on the forum and develop further your projects elsewhere.

Thank you for your opinion, I appreciate it.
Just to make it clear, we are talkng about the permaban for my friend, not for me (so no reason to develop my projects elsewhere)
Also, I didn't say that forum admins are idiots or something like this
Actually, I think this is one of the best organized forums I've been to.
I appreciate their hard work here on the forum.
Also, I hope they will recognize the public interest here and review this case again.

[marlboroza]

And yea, on a sidenote - you are Croatian, you read Reguls's posts and should really not be calling him a "c/p person".

Yeah, taking things out of context, ranting around and calling admin names usually work
You should stick to "regulus was net positive in Croatian local board and was posting only there since incident with copy/pasted posts..."

maybe he was busy for last 5 months building house

I'd bet on him driving to the Moon.

...in his thermos rocket.

[asche]

Regulus has a decent appeal thread going on here - why don't you work on one for Branko as well.

Leaving the trolling apart, Branko told me he didn't expect his request would be looked into since RegulusHr's wasn't either.

I might add Branko's bann was totally overkill as well imho. His copy pasted message was from a facebook group without an easy identifiable source, and I believe he should do an win an appeal. But again that's another story.

The only important part here is, at least having an answer from staff regarding this would SHOW that the appeal was at least taken into consideration, and would not scare people like branko off from appealing.

[sergey1980]

You misunderstood the rules of the forum and its policies Here, no one owes you anything and should not. I studied a few dozen cases on the forum on appeals. I saw one user with 5 cases of plagiarism being punished for 1 year of the prohibition of carrying a signature. Another user for 1 case of plagiarism gets permoban. Some users do not even know the reasons for their ban.
The forum administration is not idiots If they wanted to, they would publish the criteria for the user’s usefulness on the forum or respond to appeals in order to avoid a huge amount of spam in the meta section.
I have nothing against your waiting appeal.
Your actions are like trying to smash a concrete wall with your head.
I corresponded with many banned users. The worst punishment is not a ban account. The user is upset only in the first days, in a month, 2 or 3 months and more sadness disappears. The worst punishment is when admins do not want to communicate with you.
Accept the fact of a ban on the forum and develop further your projects elsewhere.

Thank you for your opinion, I appreciate it.
Just to make it clear, we are talkng about the permaban for my friend, not for me (so no reason to develop my projects elsewhere)
Also, I didn't say that forum admins are idiots or something like this
Actually, I think this is one of the best organized forums I've been to.
I appreciate their hard work here on the forum.
Also, I hope they will recognize the public interest here and review this case again.

I am glad that you understood my words correctly. Naturally, I talked about your friend, although I wrote wrong.
Maybe I’ll say rudely, but when within 5 months a dismissed employee asks his manager for the restoration of his position, then in this situation either the dismissed employee is an idiot, or he considers an idiot to be his manager
It was the best forum until the administration began to dig into dirty laundry. Dear participants accuse each other of fraud and fight for the possibility of owning "red paint". Beginners are very difficult to raise the rank in the local board. Explicit fraudulent ads are not moderated or deleted. In the Russian section in the topics about trading, mining, legal support, the minimum amount of useful information. This happens in the largest local section.
With such a policy, the forum administration will lose many good local specialists, and many local sections will die or be filled with spam.
I already receive more than 90% of useful information from social networks and paid groups. It saves a lot of time.

Here is a link to the post of a respected member of the forum. Brilliant phrase.
A little later, I find out that this is alt account of the global moderator
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5152436.msg51404602#msg51404602

[ovcijisir]

Once again, an outburst from you regarding the trivial things from my post. I will refrain from petty quarrels with you, it just ain't my cup of tea.

Bottom line - this thread is about Regulus's ban appeal. Bans were lifted (even from people you call degenerates) so we have the right to appeal and since you are not the one deciding, we will appeal until we hear from someone that is deciding.

If all the merit that he, unjustly, distributed in order to farm accounts in your section got reverted this would be pretty quiet other than a few circle-jerking friends of his. Russian, Turkish, Croatian, all the same. Nepotism and circle-jerking. There is no reason to unban OP.

1. Croatian board is full of useful information, so I wouldn't call this circle-jerking.

2. There are 8 pages full of evidence why should RegulusHr be unbanned.

If your friend was needed for the administration, he would have been unbanned long ago.

I hope he will be unbanned. That would be proof that this forum didn't tunr out to be all about politics and backstabbing like it seems now.

~

~

It was the best forum until the administration began to dig into dirty laundry. Dear participants accuse each other of fraud and fight for the possibility of owning "red paint".
~

The way it started with all those rules and regulations on the end we will be lucky if we can write posts here on forum.

In the Russian section in the topics about trading, mining, legal support, the minimum amount of useful information. This happens in the largest local section.
With such a policy, the forum administration will lose many good local specialists, and many local sections will die or be filled with spam.
I already receive more than 90% of useful information from social networks and paid groups. It saves a lot of time.

I must say that this isn't the case in Croatian sub board. I get the most, if not all, important information about cryptocurrencies trough our local board. That is also one of the reasons why we want Regulus back.  On the other hand it is pretty frustrating to see that wishes of "less important boards" (boards not involved in forum politics) seem to be ignored for the most part.

[Branko]

Based on amount of work Croatian community put into this thread,
I think RegulusHR deserves comment from staff, no matter what
reply could be. Personally, I think he deserves second chance

[Daniel91]

OK so almost half year later this issue is not resolved yet.
User RegulusHr received incredible support from his local Croatian community and even many ''neutral'' forum users, Lauda offered to remove negative trust if some conditions are fulfilled, but admins and mods are silent about this issue.
'm very sad to see that some permabans are resolved in just a few days or even hours but here we don't see any progress for to long.
RegulusHr already made ban appeal and accepted any kind of punishment and his case is not worse than the others so I don't understand really why he is ignored here.
Don't you think that all users deserve the same, honest treatment on this forum?
That's a question for everyone.

[Lucius]

Don't you think that all users deserve the same, honest treatment on this forum?
That's a question for everyone.

My personal thought is that everyone should have the same treatment on this forum, it would be human and logical thing. Although the real reason for ignoring this case is for most unknown, if you read between the lines it might be concluded that RegulusHr guilt is not only plagiarism, but accusation of farming accounts and distribution merits between them. Also if admin/s and global mods have such and similar view about Croatians, it is nothing strange about how this case is put on ignore.

Put in the same basket Russian, Turkish, and Croatian does not make any sense. They are three different nations, with different languages, religions and with great cultural and historical differences.

If all the merit that he, unjustly, distributed in order to farm accounts in your section got reverted this would be pretty quiet other than a few circle-jerking friends of his. Russian, Turkish, Croatian, all the same. Nepotism and circle-jerking. There is no reason to unban OP.

[cryptofrka]

Mods are finding farm accounts daily and banning them. It has been 6 months and no farm accounts have been found on Croatian local board. Put 2 and 2 together.

The only reason this still is not resolved is that Regulus is just some guy from some irrelevant local board so nobody really cares and this accusation is more of a 'Lauda forgot to take her happy pills' one than a case that stands on firm grounds.

He was our merit source, of course he gave us merits. That is exactly the point of being a merit source.

[Trofo]

He was our merit source, of course he gave us merits. That is exactly the point of being a merit source.

I believe he was appointed as merit source specifically for Croatian local section of the forum. That was the theme of his application post and theymos recognized it as a valid one. I didn't personally check every single merit he sent but I read a bunch of posts which were merited by him and every single one of them deserved merit as reward.

I am the most merited person by Regulus and if somebody has nothing better to do I invite that person to check those posts and see if any of them were undeserved.

[Daniel91]

Don't you think that all users deserve the same, honest treatment on this forum?
That's a question for everyone.

My personal thought is that everyone should have the same treatment on this forum, it would be human and logical thing. Although the real reason for ignoring this case is for most unknown, if you read between the lines it might be concluded that RegulusHr guilt is not only plagiarism, but accusation of farming accounts and distribution merits between them. Also if admin/s and global mods have such and similar view about Croatians, it is nothing strange about how this case is put on ignore.

Put in the same basket Russian, Turkish, and Croatian does not make any sense. They are three different nations, with different languages, religions and with great cultural and historical differences.

If all the merit that he, unjustly, distributed in order to farm accounts in your section got reverted this would be pretty quiet other than a few circle-jerking friends of his. Russian, Turkish, Croatian, all the same. Nepotism and circle-jerking. There is no reason to unban OP.

You seem to have shared some very interesting thoughts here.
In your opinion, real reason for permaban in this case (RegulusHr) is because of ''farming accounts and distribution merits'' and admins didn't shared real reason for this permaban.
You also shared your opinion that admins have prejudices against Croatians and that this is another reason why this case is not resolved until now.
Do you really think that what Lauda shared here, about ''nepotism and circle- jerking'' is also the opinion of the forum leadership about Croatian members in this forum?
If you are right here than we have very serious issue now, much bigger than single permaban.
What others think?
Do you really think that Russians, Turks and Croats are main problem on this forum?
If so, I have simple solution for the forum admins, delete our local sections and problems solved.  
At this point, it will be great if forum admins finally appear here and answers these serious questions.

[Lucius]

~snip~

It's just my personal opinion which is partly based on what is Lauda post, and on everything that is written in this thread. Fact that in almost six months no admins or any mod is post in this thread speaks for itself what they think about this case, and silence sometimes speaks more than a thousand words.

I can not know what the staff of this forum think about Croatian community, but recently one member was perma-banned, and he get his account back in just few days. Since he was banned for plagiarism as well as RegulusHr, it is obvious that in the case of RegulusHr you should take into account that there is something else in addition to plagiarism. But I doubt that is anything related to "prejudices against Croatians" on this forum, there are probably other reasons, but this is something that is above our ranks and position on this forum.

[ReguluHr-alt]

~snip~

It's just my personal opinion which is partly based on what is Lauda post, and on everything that is written in this thread. Fact that in almost six months no admins or any mod is post in this thread speaks for itself what they think about this case, and silence sometimes speaks more than a thousand words.

I can not know what the staff of this forum think about Croatian community, but recently one member was perma-banned, and he get his account back in just few days. Since he was banned for plagiarism as well as RegulusHr, it is obvious that in the case of RegulusHr you should take into account that there is something else in addition to plagiarism. But I doubt that is anything related to "prejudices against Croatians" on this forum, there are probably other reasons, but this is something that is above our ranks and position on this forum.

There is a history whom and for what I gave merit. These are accusations without coverage, it is easy to accuse someone and where are the evidence?
I worked exactly for what I signed up, gave the merits for good post at the local forum.

My problem is that I have not been active outside of the local part of the forum and what I do not know anybody enough influential who can urge for me.

[ReguluHr-alt]

I added a poll with the question: After all discussions here and everything shared do you think that this permaban should be removed?

I'm interested what people thinking about topic, when I cannot get administrator's answer.

[ovcijisir]

Good idea for starting a poll. Now we can see the opinon of public on this topic.

[cryptofrka]

Bumping for visibility and hopefully more votes, although I'm positive that even 100 votes against the ban will be portrayed as us 'trying to resurrect our milking cow with our farm accounts' or whatever.

[Daniel91]

Well respected member in our local community, who have personally helped many members with his advice and received a lot support from his community, have no chance for mercy and his death sentence is firm and unchanging.
It's so sad to see that our forum loosing him and other respected members as well.
If you feel that he deserve another chance and forgiveness, please post here or vote.
Share your opinion, don't be afraid.

[dkbit98]

I see to many BANs recently.
Most of them are deserved, But this one is not the case.
UNBAN RegulusHr and atleast talk with him moderators

[big_daddy]

bumping to encourage more users to vote

tnx

[Daniel91]

Current result:
Total Voters: 23
yes 20 (87%)
no 3 (13%)

I thank everyone who voted and expressed their opinion until now.
I would also like to ask other users to vote and give their opinion about this case.

[Daniel91]

Current result:
Total Voters: 25
yes 21 (84%)
no 4 (16%)

Thank you to everyone who has already voted.
I ask others, who have not yet, to vote.

 

[Dzeronimo]

Almost 85% voters think than permaban should be removed. It would be interesting to find out why our request is ignored for moths.

[ovcijisir]

Almost 85% voters think than permaban should be removed. It would be interesting to find out why our request is ignored for moths.

Yes, it is so weird that no one from the staff said something about this ban...

With this post I am encouraging more users to vote

Please refer to this post to see why we are asking for permaban removal.

[ovcijisir]

I'm member in Croatian forum and I an say that RegulusHr is well respected member in our local forum.
He was first merit source and really helped many local members to get merit for good quality posts in croatian and to advance in the forum.
He even organize first offline meeting between members in Croatia.
We really enjoyed great time in the restaurant for the dinner and sharing and he paid for it.
He is very kind member, always ready to help and support others.
We really miss him a lot and want him back!
Since he was main merit sourcer in our part of the forum, we lost also in this way.
Yes, he made one mistake but is anybody perfect here, without any mistake?
Please mods forgive his mistake and restore his account.
In the coming posts you will see great support he have among croatian members on this forum.

Bump to allow more people to vote on this issue.

[Dzeronimo]

We don't need more votes. All we need is one admin who can unban RegulusHr
We invested a lot of time in this case and we would not do that if he didn't deserve it. 

[Daniel91]

Ok, it's time to bring this topic to the top, given that nothing has been resolved yet after more than 8 months.
It seems to me that mods and admins don't feel comfortable to discuss about this case in public, in front of everyone.
I don't know why but I, and many others, will continue to ask admins and mods to review this case.
In following post I shared my suggestion how to deal with permaban appeal cases, in more transparent way:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5178987.0
I hope admins and mods will respond eventually and review this case based on the big public interest about this case.

[ovcijisir]

Bump

[marlboroza]

@great leader and global moderators, as I am very curious person and forum is source of information, meta is discussion about forum and ban thingies are related to discussion about forum (to be more precise, about forum rules), I am really curious what is the main reason why regulus didn't get second chance?

Is it:

a) 2 c/p posts
b) more than 2 c/p posts
c) c/p posts + something else

Looking forward to Your answer!

[Pmalek]

I think it is time to finally end this saga in one way or the other. It has been going on for way too long. I don't think there is any other ban appeal thread like this one. If you are not planning to forgive his mistakes at least tell the lad that he is not coming back.

[big_daddy]

if we take a look at the ✅[BAN APPEAL] ... list ... we can see that there are only 3 users waiting longer than RegulusHr
I think that all of them deserve an answer, positive or negative

From my point of view, I still hope that RegulusHr will be marked as Unbanned asap

Best regards

[Daniel91]

It seems to me that the moderators and admins do not want to explain the reason for this permaban, after more than 8 months, and rather wait for the topic to die naturally.
I personally know that RegulusHr also did not receive any response to private messages he sent to admins what makes me sad.
In any case, I want to thank 27 users who voted in support of RegulusHr and to everyone who participated in the discussion and expressed their views on the case, positive or negative.
Too bad your opinion doesn't matter.

[marlboroza]

Looks like double standards https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5240612.0

[Lauda]

Looks like double standards https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5240612.0

Good case finding. If I remember correctly I was arguing against this here, and this user is definitely much more contributing than the one linked in the topic.

[marlboroza]

Looks like double standards https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5240612.0

Good case finding. If I remember correctly I was arguing against this here, and this user is definitely much more contributing than the one linked in the topic.

I was curious why RegulusHR was permabaned without getting second chance like many other users here, I suspected there is something larger going on but no one really told us anything. Now, we have this spam account who got second chance and I find all this very confusing.

There were 2 c/p posts found in RegulusHR's history as far as I remember, and as for hacker, there was one c/p post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5143331.msg51058321#msg51058321 (this is c/p from one of accounts I mentioned in this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213922.msg54171090#msg54171090) and, of course, there is more c/p posts in hacker's post history(archived):

This makes bitcoin a dark currency and a currency which only bad and evil minded people uses. Bitcoin is like a big opportunity for many people in the world if used in correct way. Buying drugs with bitcoin is not a good option. Some of the sites on deep web like silk road are shutdown due to this bad use of bitcoin and people should also not try to do so.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1184641.msg23532786#msg23532786
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1184641.msg23532255#msg23532255
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2316855.msg23533421#msg23533421

This makes score 2:2
edited links

[Lucius]

I was curious why RegulusHR was permabaned without getting second chance like many other users here, I suspected there is something larger going on but no one really told us anything. Now, we have this spam account who got second chance and I find all this very confusing.

I have stated my thoughts on this thread several times during the discussion, and like most of the Croatian community, it was not clear to me why some members got a second chance at much worse plagiarism cases, while others like RegulusHr did not get anything other than complete ignore. Especially considering that this member has received the biggest support from his community than any other member who has start a ban appeal.

The only thing in my opinion that is led to this development is the fact that RegulusHR is become a merit source just a day before he got ban, and admin is notice that for sure. RegulusHR should definitely be given a second chance, nothing more or less than what others have been given.

[cryptofrka]

The only thing in my opinion that is led to this development is the fact that RegulusHR is become a merit source just a day before he got ban, and admin is notice that for sure. RegulusHR should definitely be given a second chance, nothing more or less than what others have been given.

Nope, he was a merit source for a while before the ban. We just did not know about it because he did not tell anybody he was.
He admitted it when somebody asked him and that was a few days before the ban so you probably connected these 2 things.

I've said my piece about this topic so I won't be dragged back into it again. North Korea has fairer politics than Bitcointalk.

[Daniel91]

I was curious why RegulusHR was permabaned without getting second chance like many other users here, I suspected there is something larger going on but no one really told us anything. Now, we have this spam account who got second chance and I find all this very confusing.

I have stated my thoughts on this thread several times during the discussion, and like most of the Croatian community, it was not clear to me why some members got a second chance at much worse plagiarism cases, while others like RegulusHr did not get anything other than complete ignore. Especially considering that this member has received the biggest support from his community than any other member who has start a ban appeal.

The only thing in my opinion that is led to this development is the fact that RegulusHR is become a merit source just a day before he got ban, and admin is notice that for sure. RegulusHR should definitely be given a second chance, nothing more or less than what others have been given.

No, Regulus was a merit source long before that.
In fact, theymos only a day or two before permaban doubled the number of available merits for Regulus as merit source.
Perhaps this is why the permaban, which happened after the "big reward from admin", was without the possibility of forgiveness or second chance for him.
I'm just guessing because in 8 months of this discussion we've never received any response from admin but Regulus seems to have made them very angry.
It's just my opinion, of course.
If I'm wrong I'd like to ask theymos to correct me and to say openly the right reasons for refusing forgiveness.

[Pmalek]

A lot of time has passed, it would be nice if the Administration could reconsider this case one more time and give back to the Croatian community one of its all-time favorite members. Even if RegulusHr had received a 1 year signature ban, that one would have expired by now as well.

[marlboroza]

North Korea has fairer politics than Bitcointalk.

Hm....In addition to previous my post, I have found another observable instance:

Looks like double standards https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5240612.0

(edited quote):

Yes, I was involved in bumping business and I even had many other users working around me.

>>>https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5210195.msg53365479#msg53365479<<<

Was RegulusHr behind ICO bump service and/or he sockpuppeted their way into DT? Why he can't get second chance like all other ban evaders and ICO fraudulent service account?


Why is this account banned and all these accounts got second chance? Or, better, why all these accounts are not banned and regulushr is?

[dkbit98]

Good point.
I also don't think RegulusHr was trolling the forum or involved in bumping services like hacker1001101001.

We are also being ignored about moderating our section, so no surprise that Unban has double standards.

I also know one more example for  member pirate hunter with plagiarism, and multiple ban evasion:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188411

1. phabulu (BPIP)- Banned
2. galahads (BPIP)- Banned
3  jujubax  (BPIP)- Banned
4  galahad_s (BPIP)- Banned
5. pirate hunter (BPIP) ?? unbanned ??  

What about RegulusHr ??
He is not good enough?

[Lauda]

What about RegulusHr ??
He is not good enough?

You can start sending PM thanks to all the global moderators, then Cyrus and then theymos for their unbiased way of handling the forum. Disappointing.

[marlboroza]

What about RegulusHr ??
He is not good enough?

You can start sending PM thanks to all the global moderators, then Cyrus and then theymos for their unbiased way of handling the forum. Disappointing.

This is even better:







This report is in status "unhandled" for last 2 days.



Here is another one "unhandled":

So, in China, carbon dioxide emissions have dropped by as much as 100 million cubic tons in the last two weeks.
That's almost six percent of global emissions.
The rapid spread of the new coronavirus, which has killed more than 2000 in China and infected over 74,000 people.
Environmentalists warn that the reduction is only temporary.
"Once the coronavirus has subsided, we are very likely to face increased production that will seek to compensate for the losses," Li Shuo said.
Meanwhile, emissions of nitrogen dioxide, a by-product of fossil fuel combustion in vehicles and power plants, fell 36 percent in China the week after New Year's holidays. As for the rest of the world, the situation is quite similar.
In most cities, as far as Europe is concerned, people mostly stick to the rules and stay in their homes.
The cities are empty but also cleaner.
In some countries wild animals are walking the streets, and there are no people at all.
The current environmental situation is actually much better than it was, but that can all change.
Do you think will the environment become polluted or cleaner?

https://www.sciencealert.com/china-s-carbon-emissions-suddenly-dropped-recently-but-not-for-the-best-reasons

But environmentalists have warned that the reduction is temporary

Meanwhile, China's nitrogen dioxide emissions – a byproduct of fossil fuel combustion in vehicles and power plants – fell 36 percent in the week following the Lunar New Year holidays

And so on...Whole post is just like that, some parts are paraphrased while the rest is nothing but blatant plagiarism. Not only report is not handled for more than a week, shitposting account lucia2015 is allowed to continue shitposting:

I think that this situation is getting all over the world, and how I said nothing will be the same after.

yes, the government should absolutely watch their people first before themselves.

yes, i would agree because this is as possible as it can happen.

Dafack is this, whats up chat room? Makes no sense with OP.

[dkbit98]

hacker1001101001 copy/pasting magic -.- last stages of mental disorder or miracle of modern technology

[Pmalek]

Here is another one "unhandled":

Isn't Lucija the 15 year old girl that mysteriously appeared last month in the Croatian section with a few posts. That's what she/he said at least.
If what she says is true, her copy/pasted posts could be the result of her not knowing that it isn't allowed and shouldn't be done. That is still not a justification for doing it.
If I remember correctly someone from the community warned her and she started adding the source links to her posts, but continued in similar fashion.
Not sure what the motives of her/him are, but I find it weird that a "15 year old girl" spends so much time posting in threads about politics and in the Off-topic board.   

[marlboroza]

~  

Yeah, that's the one. New account who has found bitcointalk forum to talk about merits and spam copy/pasted articles about corona virus and world pollution  C/p articles and shitposting, that's it:

Thank you very much

I fully agree with you and please stay safe.

Yeah, but these things are really helpful too

Yeah, I miss walking too, the sun, air ... let's hope that it will end soon

Well, i didn't know that i hope your air will purify as soon as possible

That's right, and good luck just have motivation!!!

If you compare permabanned RegulusHR to this not-banned shitposter, it really doesn't make much sense.

[dkbit98]

Is any moderator or mister Theymos going to take second or first look on this case?
Or we are just talking to a wall here?

[examplens]

Is any moderator or mister Theymos going to take second or first look on this case?
Or we are just talking to a wall here?

Now is going to be worse. If forum moderators accept this appeal and unban RegulusHr account, then opens the possibility for new discussions with contradiction like this. it is not to be expected to happen. I can assume confusion if there was more ban appeal positive solved.
btw. is anyone in touch with Regulus, does he have the desire to come back to the forum after 15 months?

[Lauda]

Is any moderator or mister Theymos going to take second or first look on this case?
Or we are just talking to a wall here?

Now is going to be worse. If forum moderators accept this appeal and unban RegulusHr account, then opens the possibility for new discussions with contradiction like this. it is not to be expected to happen. I can assume confusion if there was more ban appeal positive solved.

What are you on about? Many people got unbanned for various reasons, including for what OP got banned.

[guigui371]

Hey Regulus,
I didnt check the full 11 pages of this thread that was started more than 12 months ago.
according to the first page you have a very good support from your community.

However, I looked at all your "posts" (you only have 6 ) and couldn't find a post explaining why you are "good for the forum".

Surely you could write a post, spend like 2h to find things you have done, post evidence,  give links, write an appology and ask for an Admin to review your case.
Having croatian friends vouching for you is one thing, but showing that you care about your account and make things right is another thing.

Have a look at this topic, and check the type of information people that got the ban lifted had to write : ✅[BAN APPEAL]UPDATE: Total table + Ban status (Need feedback from Global mods)


you have been banned for 1 year, which is more than most of the temp ban they give nowaday, surely if build your case, they might be able to look at your case one more time. But you need to show that you are worth unbanning.

Regards

[Daniel91]

Is any moderator or mister Theymos going to take second or first look on this case?
Or we are just talking to a wall here?

Now is going to be worse. If forum moderators accept this appeal and unban RegulusHr account, then opens the possibility for new discussions with contradiction like this. it is not to be expected to happen. I can assume confusion if there was more ban appeal positive solved.
btw. is anyone in touch with Regulus, does he have the desire to come back to the forum after 15 months?

I just talked with Regulus on whatsapp and can confirm that he still have desire to come back to the forum and to write posts.

[logfiles]

Now is going to be worse. If forum moderators accept this appeal and unban RegulusHr account, then opens the possibility for new discussions with contradiction like this. it is not to be expected to happen. I can assume confusion if there was more ban appeal positive solved.
btw. is anyone in touch with Regulus, does he have the desire to come back to the forum after 15 months?

It would be a much better scenario than it is right now because some members are already wondering about the criteria being used to determine someone who should remain permabanned and one who should be banned as some controversial members have already been unbanned.

We have members who made sizable contributions around here get unbanned in the past, but the situation didn't raise any dust at all so if RegulusHr got unbanned. It would be for the better 

[Lauda]

However, I looked at all your "posts" (you only have 6 ) and couldn't find a post explaining why you are "good for the forum".

This is his account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1163424. Please read the original post properly before you post to earn sig. money. 

[Lucius]

I just talked with Regulus on whatsapp and can confirm that he still have desire to come back to the forum and to write posts.

That's a good news, so I ask those who can resolve this situation to take action and treat all members as equals - give man a second chance.

Just one example of how ban appeal is resolved in less than 60 minutes after is posted :

Ban Appeal for over 5-year old account

[Lauda]

I just talked with Regulus on whatsapp and can confirm that he still have desire to come back to the forum and to write posts.

That's a good news, so I ask those who can resolve this situation to take action and treat all members as equals - give man a second chance.

Just one example of how ban appeal is resolved in less than 60 minutes after is posted :

Ban Appeal for over 5-year old account

The more is presented, the more is the staff's bias becoming obvious. 

[big_daddy]

I think that we will see RegulusHr back on forum, after a few quiet months, now I can see a light at the end of this tunnel

[Lauda]

I think that we will see RegulusHr back on forum, after a few quiet months, now I can see a light at the end of this tunnel

Correct. I have changed my mind and removed my rating when I have seen other cases that were unbanned. RegulusHr is an extraordinary member when compared to those.

[cryptofrka]

Correct. I have changed my mind and removed my rating when I have seen other cases that were unbanned. RegulusHr is an extraordinary member when compared to those.

Thank you for the first positive step towards resolving this issue. We are claiming exactly the same for a really long period.

It would really be appreciated if one of the mods would look into this situation, Regulus was finally pardoned and was given the opportunity to be a part of our Local again.

[Pmalek]

I have changed my mind and removed my rating...

And I merited you (not that you need it but anyways) because you did. Swing by our local forum when you have some time to kill, could be fun.
We were recently surprised when Lucius revealed to us that he is a Balkaneros. Nobody expected it.

Cheers! 

[guigui371]

However, I looked at all your "posts" (you only have 6 ) and couldn't find a post explaining why you are "good for the forum".

This is his account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1163424. Please read the original post properly before you post to earn sig. money.  

@lauda
I was referring to his "alt account" that only has 6 posts, none of them is a lengthy post showing that  "he is good as whole for the forum".
Even the Orignial Post isn't a great appeal as per say.
see here : all messages by ReguluHr-alt

If you re-read my message you would see that I did read the first page, (including the fact that more than one message was found, but didnt write it) I acknowledge that the Croatian community is behind him, and I do give genuine advices, provide a link to successful appeal and encourage his to fight his case by showing that he care for his account. I also didn't write that I voted "yes".  
My point was that he had to "demonstrate" that he was good as a whole for the forum.

A little bit too much work for just a sig message.  


So my advice, is to write a an appeal post using this template (ChiBitCTY vs BAN  helped by yogg) :

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

As theymos suggested, here is my case about a member of the forum who got his account permanently banned for plagiarism.
It is ChiBitCTy. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=904524)

Yes, he broke some forum rules, and has been banned for ~10 months now.
However, I believe that this user is very different from most of the profiles that are permanently banned for plagiarism.

Here is why I think that, and also why I think that having him back would be a good action for the forum, in a few point.


1) ChiBitCTy is a trusted trader

~snip~


2) ChiBitCTy is still active

~snip~

3) ChiBitCTy organized charity events

~snip~


4) ChiBitCTy helped bust scams and warn users

~snip~

5) ChiBitCTy didn't break any more forum rule

~snip~

For all the reasons above, I believe that pros outweight cons in that case, ~SNIP~

Thank you for reading that thread and for considering to lift his ban, please.

@lauda,  so is my message enough on point or is it still just a sig message ?  


Edit :
@marlboroza  whatever dude, all I am saying is that he has to show that he wants it back, not his friends. And in all of his 6 posts with the appeal account, he hasn't shown anything.

[marlboroza]

So my advice, is to write a an appeal post using this template (ChiBitCTY vs BAN  helped by yogg) :

Stop spamming this topic and read previous page.

I just talked with Regulus on whatsapp and can confirm that he still have desire to come back to the forum and to write posts.

That's a good news, so I ask those who can resolve this situation to take action and treat all members as equals - give man a second chance.

Just one example of how ban appeal is resolved in less than 60 minutes after is posted :

Ban Appeal for over 5-year old account

The more is presented, the more is the staff's bias becoming obvious.  

Did RegulusHr kill someone so he can't get second chance like some other accounts?

WTF if going on? My reports are still unhandled and one of accounts mentioned in previous post is free to spam:

~
nice!

~
 really good!

I mean, what the fuck?

[Lauda]

However, I looked at all your "posts" (you only have 6 ) and couldn't find a post explaining why you are "good for the forum".

This is his account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1163424. Please read the original post properly before you post to earn sig. money.  

@lauda
I was referring to his "alt account" that only has 6 posts, none of them is a lengthy post showing that  "he is good as whole for the forum".
Even the Orignial Post isn't a great appeal as per say.
see here : all messages by ReguluHr-alt

Who the hell cares whether the alt account is good or not? What is wrong with you? It was created only to make the appeal. You should not even look at the alts posts.

[Daniel91]

The main problem in this case is the disparity of the criteria and not whether Regulus has sufficiently justified his request for forgiveness.
Theymos explained the procedure and criteria for the removal of permaban and Regulus followed this procedure 100%.
However, for the full 15 months he received no reply which is not acceptable and also not ok from a human point of view.
On the other hand, for some members, who have made even more mistakes, permaban was very quickly removed.
Some members had their permaban resolved in a matter of hours and some members didn't even have to open a ban appeal topic here and follow the prescribed procedure to get a permaban forgiveness.
As a result, members of the Croatian community are very disappointed, not with permaban because it was fully deserved, but with the response of admins on the forum,  because they didn't fully follow the procedures and rules  which they have set themselves.
Mr. Theymos, it's not too late, even after 15 months, to correct all errors made in this case, give Regulus the same opportunity as others, follow your own rules and procedures and make a fair decision.
All members of this forum community will respect you if you do the only right thing here, finally, after 15 months consider this case  and finally answer Regulus.
This is a request from a large number of members of this forum and I hope you will accept it.

[dkbit98]

I would also like to invite other DT members to examine facts posted in this topic.
Regular members and DT members are making this forum, not just moderators and creator, with all due respect.
Voice of the members must be heard.

[Daniel91]

I would also like to invite other DT members to examine facts posted in this topic.
Regular members and DT members are making this forum, not just moderators and creator, with all due respect.
Voice of the members must be heard.

Personally, I think that already many members expressed their opinion here and shared their disagreement with the decisions of the admins and the moderators.
As you said, ''Regular members and DT members are making this forum, not just moderators and creator,'' but obviously admins and moderators don't want to listen and accept the opinions of forum members.
They don't even want to answer Regulushr's unban appeal, reconsider this case or answer many questions from members in this topic.
I assume they're waiting for this topic to die naturally, so that admins would not have to make a decision that would set a dangerous precedent for them.
I understant it but I'm very sorry that the higher interests have defeated justice here.
Justice in this case would not even be forgiveness but an admin response and a reconsideration of the case, according to the procedure and rules designated by the admins themselves for such cases.
Unfortunately, I will have to disappoint admins and moderators but this case has created a sense of great injustice throughout the Croatian community and will never be forgotten, and that means that even this topic will never be forgotten.

[Lauda]

I would also like to invite other DT members to examine facts posted in this topic.
Regular members and DT members are making this forum, not just moderators and creator, with all due respect.
Voice of the members must be heard.

Personally, I think that already many members expressed their opinion here and shared their disagreement with the decisions of the admins and the moderators.
As you said, ''Regular members and DT members are making this forum, not just moderators and creator,'' but obviously admins and moderators don't want to listen and accept the opinions of forum members.
-snip-

You can PM some select DT members and kindly ask them to evaluate this situation. I highly doubt that any of them are going to disagree with my or the views of others supporting the unbanning of OP.

[asche]

You can PM some select DT members and kindly ask them to evaluate this situation. I highly doubt that any of them are going to disagree with my or the views of others supporting the unbanning of OP.

Since I am following this topic for quite a while, I can confirm I don't understand the situation as well.

It is not a matter of liking Regulus or not, but a matter of applying the same measures to everyone. And either we are not being told everything, or there is an issue in the staff's objectivity. I don't see another option, and neither is acceptable imho in a spirit of transparency...

[marlboroza]

Another example. This is account which run spam service, what is worth to mention is (http://archive.is/fxT47):

~

BITCOINTALK

Bumping up your ANN topic on BitcoinTalk to keep it on first page 24/7.

ACTIVITY

We post comments and initiate discussion in your Telegram group and Bitcointalk topic to imitate real user activity.

~

I don't have anything to add here except that this account is not banned and he can come back and post whenever he like. It's bloody spam service! Another example is account antikvark who is evading ban btw and all he does is spreading FUD against bitcoin.

Since I am following this topic for quite a while, I can confirm I don't understand the situation as well.

I don't think anyone does.

And either we are not being told everything, or there is an issue in the staff's objectivity. I don't see another option, and neither is acceptable imho in a spirit of transparency...

Maybe he, as a merit source, sent merit to alt account or sold merit? I don't see any other logical (backing up my logic with all previous examples) explanation.

[cryptofrka]

Maybe he, as a merit source, sent merit to alt account or sold merit? I don't see any other logical (backing up my logic with previous examples) explanation.

No way of that happening, I know the wise minds of this forum will always find a way to doubt what we say and I am not even talking to them anymore, but I'm putting this for you - you know all of the merited users on this list.

We also know the guy, he did not want to take his cash reward from mladen for the best joke in one of the giveaways because he thought it was too big to take so instead took whoever wanted for drinks that he paid for with that money.
Selling merits? No way, there's more chance of admins here getting a spine than of Regulus selling merits. So no to both of these.

[Pmalek]

Maybe he, as a merit source, sent merit to alt account or sold merit?

If that was the case I think the admins would have mentioned that in this thread and there would be no valid grounds for unfair treatment. Or it would have been discovered in some other ways by members investigating that sort of thing. There is something more here that we don't know apparently.

[marlboroza]

~

Well, I am guessing here. Anyway, not a single ban here is comparable to unbanned ICO spam service, not only it is literally payed-to-spam-forum activity, it is fraudulent activity!

What Regulus did? @Lucius, why did you remove your posts? If we are talking about ban appeal and forum administration not responding, it is not beating dead horse!
For users reading OP only and/or going straight to reply button, read topic from here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5097792.msg54233287#msg54233287 and please vote here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5244043.0

[Daniel91]

I think all members who gave support to Regulus here will follow this case very closely: 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg54469714#msg54469714
expecting the same chance to be given to everyone.

[logfiles]

<...>

I failed to understand the criteria the mods use for banning and unbanning members on the day pirate hunter a ban evader, a bounty cheat and a scam promoter was miraculously unbanned without any appeal and has been scot-free ever since.

Unlike some members including Regulus who have contributed positively to the forum but have been denied a second chance, pirate hunter is a person whose net contribution to the forum is in negatives but all our appeals fell on deaf ears blind eyes

[dkbit98]

<...>

I failed to understand the criteria the mods use for banning and unbanning members on the day pirate hunter a ban evader, a bounty cheat and a scam promoter was miraculously unbanned without any appeal and has been scot-free ever since.

Unlike some members including Regulus who have contributed positively to the forum but have been denied a second chance, pirate hunter is a person whose net contribution to the forum is in negatives but all our appeals fell on deaf ears blind eyes

Pirate just moved to his new accounts.
He now works for Bcash bosses and promote Bcash in Brasil, so he can buy high ranked accounts here.
https://read.cash/@phabulu
https://read.cash/@phabulu/bch-reached-the-moon-and-above-drawing-1e01d240
http://archive.vn/wUjHf

[FatFork]

I wouldn’t be surprised if some moderators secretly take hush money for unban. Of course, this is not an accusation and I have absolutely no evidence for this. This is just my opinion and general impression. Who's to say that this is implausible judging by everything seen here?

The little man will always be neglected while the big fish always find their ways. That’s why Lauda probably won’t get banned (and I’m not saying she should be), and RegulusHr, and many others, will never get a second chance.

[Daniel91]

I wouldn’t be surprised if some moderators secretly take hush money for unban. Of course, this is not an accusation and I have absolutely no evidence for this. This is just my opinion and general impression. Who's to say that this is implausible judging by everything seen here?

The little man will always be neglected while the big fish always find their ways. That’s why Lauda probably won’t get banned (and I’m not saying she should be), and RegulusHr, and many others, will never get a second chance.

This is a serious accusation and I would not really go so far as to accuse someone without concrete arguments and evidence.
Likewise, such accusations will not help resolve this case.
What we all expect and ask for is for the admins to consider this case and make their decision.
After the great interest in this case, and all the arguments presented, and after 16 months of waiting, that is the minimum we all expect to see.

[FatFork]

This is a serious accusation and I would not really go so far as to accuse someone without concrete arguments and evidence.
Likewise, such accusations will not help resolve this case.

Like I said, I’m not accusing anyone of anything. I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised. Would you be?
What is the logical explanation that some members were given a second chance or a milder punishment (like a temporary ban or a sig. ban), while Regulus and probably many others cannot?

What we all expect and ask for is for the admins to consider this case and make their decision.
After the great interest in this case, and all the arguments presented, and after 16 months of waiting, that is the minimum we all expect to see.

Agreed and agreed.

[Daniel91]

This issue can only be resolved by forum admins, but they have chosen to remain silent and ignore this topic for almost a year and a half.
I can understand that for principle reasons, regardless of the local community's request, they don't want to forgive Regulus but I can't understand that they don't even want to give some simple answer to Regulus and to a large number of local community members, after so long time.
Given the many examples where some other members have been forgiven for major mistakes, a large number of members of our community feel that Regulus has been treated unfairly and has not been given a real chance.
This is the main reason why this topic is still active, and will be active probably for years to come, sending a certain message to forum admins but also to the entire bitcoin community here.

[ovcijisir]

I don't know why admins think they will stop us with their silence.

They took one of our members and we want to know why is he not pardoned like many people who were also banned.

[dkbit98]

I think moderators are to busy with all the spam and people posting crap so I have great solution to kill two birds with one stone.
We should have more decentralization and some voting process for unbanning people.
Adding more voting to other major decisions would also be wise.

[Daniel91]

It seems that we will soon mark another sad anniversary (2 years) of the departure of a highly respected member of our community from this forum.
Dear Regulushr, thank you for everything you have done for our local community and it will never be forgotten.
Everyone in our local community are really sad that your case has never been reconsidered and that you have not received any response from the admin.

[ovcijisir]

bump

[suchmoon]

It seems that we will soon mark another sad anniversary (2 years) of the departure of a highly respected member of our community from this forum.
Dear Regulushr, thank you for everything you have done for our local community and it will never be forgotten.
Everyone in our local community are really sad that your case has never been reconsidered and that you have not received any response from the admin.

Have you tried Bitcointalk Discord: https://discord.gg/ahgHyku

[Pmalek]

@suchmoon
The Bitcointalk Discord is another possibility, but it's not like the admins and those in charge haven't seen the ban appeal for two years. They know about it.  I don't think I have seen another ban appeal for any other member like this one. A huge amount of support has been shown for RegulusHr, mostly from the local forum, but also from neutral members.

I don't know what it is. It's not just the case with Regulus, it seems that anything we as a local suggest is met with some sort of hindrance, delay, non-responsiveness. We ask for a local mod to handle our board - nothing. The French members ask for trust to be enabled in their local marketplace - it gets enabled. marlboroza, myself, and many others ask if we can get trust in the Croatian marketplace - nothing happens, no response, no one cares.

We ask if we can get some more subsections to organize our board in a more efficient way. At least we got a response this time by Cyrus so I guess it's being considered at least. But nothing has been done on that front still.

So from a neutral viewpoint suchmoon, would you say we are being taken seriously or are we the laughing stock of the forum? Is it unreasonable wanting to make our local better organized? Are we idiots for caring and trying to make it better?    

[cryptofrka]

I will second this. Thanks for the recommendation and I'm sure somebody more highly rated will try to find somebody he knows on Discord and try to resolve this.

The thing is that we should not have to find backdoors for issues like these. The rules for ban appeals are stated, we have seen less valuable members being pardoned and this is dragging for over 2 years! already.

The system where you have to know a person to get fair treatment is a bad one and we should not be accepting it and trying to find solutions around it.

We ask if we can get some more subsections to organize our board in a more efficient way. At least we got a response this time by Cyrus so I guess it's being considered at least. But nothing has been done on that front still.

We got that today and Local is already 5x better.

[Pmalek]

We got that today and Local is already 5x better.

Ohh, that is awesome. I didn't visit the local today yet so I didn't notice the change. Thanks to admin team for doing that!
I am going to check my profile now and start moving some of my threads to the correct sub-boards .

[dkbit98]

Did anyone here see a play Waiting for Godot (En attendant Godot in original French) by Samuel Beckett?
Are we waiting for RegulusHr to come back same way as Godot?

83.7% people voted to unban RegulusHr, but even if mods unban him after two years, I am not sure if we can contact him and bring him back again.

[suchmoon]

So from a neutral viewpoint suchmoon, would you say we are being taken seriously or are we the laughing stock of the forum? Is it unreasonable wanting to make our local better organized? Are we idiots for caring and trying to make it better?    

I think it's fucked up that you're not getting a response to this appeal at all, positive or negative, but that's just how this forum operates unfortunately. Same with the other requests regarding the Croatian board, or any request in Meta really - why not just post a simple "yes" or "no" instead of having people wait for months to realize that it was probably a "no".

Having said that, if you really want to have this done you gotta play the game even if you don't like the rules. If Discord is where shit gets done that's where you should go.

[Daniel91]

So from a neutral viewpoint suchmoon, would you say we are being taken seriously or are we the laughing stock of the forum? Is it unreasonable wanting to make our local better organized? Are we idiots for caring and trying to make it better?    

I think it's fucked up that you're not getting a response to this appeal at all, positive or negative, but that's just how this forum operates unfortunately. Same with the other requests regarding the Croatian board, or any request in Meta really - why not just post a simple "yes" or "no" instead of having people wait for months to realize that it was probably a "no".

Having said that, if you really want to have this done you gotta play the game even if you don't like the rules. If Discord is where shit gets done that's where you should go.

suchmoon, thank you very much for your suggestions but I don't want to play any games here.
I asked a simple question in the right place and in the prescribed manner 2 years ago and the only thing I expect is an answer, nothing more or nothing less than that.
I'm not interested in anything other than the final resolution of this case in accordance with the rules adopted by the admins themselves.
I believe I'm not looking for anything unreasonable, impossible or unexpected 

[suchmoon]

suchmoon, thank you very much for your suggestions but I don't want to play any games here.
I asked a simple question in the right place and in the prescribed manner 2 years ago and the only thing I expect is an answer, nothing more or nothing less than that.
I'm not interested in anything other than the final resolution of this case in accordance with the rules adopted by the admins themselves.
I believe I'm not looking for anything unreasonable, impossible or unexpected 

I agree. Kind of. I'm not suggesting "anything unreasonable, impossible or unexpected", just another way of getting admin's attention - assuming all other options like e-mailing the address in the ban notice and PMing theymos - have been exhausted. Posting a thread in Meta has been comprehensively proven to be one of the least successful ways of solving problems here.

[Lucius]

83.7% people voted to unban RegulusHr, but even if mods unban him after two years, I am not sure if we can contact him and bring him back again.

It's the simplest thing anyone on this forum can do - just visit RegulusHr's profile and send him a message, and as far as I know he's online from time to time and I'm pretty sure he'd be happy to come back to the forum if he got opportunity for that.

[hilariousandco]

I unbanned it.

[dkbit98]

I unbanned it.

Wow.... we have so much love from administration this days 

Thank you, we all appreciate it very much.

[Rikafip]

I unbanned it.

Thank you for sorting this out! Everyone in our local board really appreciates this.

Wow.... we have so much love from administration this days  8

Haha true. First we got few sub boards, now RegulusHr got unbanned. What's next, maybe we get our own moderator once again?

[FatFork]

Wow, I didn't see that coming! This is the second thing we've got for the local Croatian community this week. I really feel proud to be a Croat!  

[Lucius]

I unbanned it.

I think RegulusHr just got maybe the best gift for Christmas and New Year - and as I wrote to him on PM shortly before this news was published, miracles happen especially at this time of year

[RegulusHr]

Thank you all for your support all this time.
I'll be careful not to make some stupid mistake again.
And that’s the easiest for me to achieve by not writing outside the local forum.

[Pmalek]

@RegulusHr
You are finally out of prison
Congratulations and welcome back. The Bitcointalk world must seem pretty different now after two years behind bars. You will soon get the hang of it.

@hilariousandco
Thank you for doing the right thing!

@RegulusHr
I guess you can now close this ban appeal thread, you are no longer banned.

[Daniel91]

Great news, I feel so happy today!
After almost 2 years we managed to finally see the return of a distinguished member of our local community.
All members of the Croatian community felt that RegulusHr deserve a second chance because of everything he did for the local community and we are all happy that it finally happened.
Welcome back dear RegulusHr!
We've all missed you so much.

[big_daddy]

What a nice surprise on this topic, finally 

Welcome back @RegulusHr

Thank you @hilariousandco