yla1974 bun.

[leshak]

In this case, the forum acts as a fraud, as well as the previous owner of the account. If trade in accounts is allowed, then there must be order. Rules create for their execution, for all right? As I understand it.
If you buy a car from a stranger, and you are shot for it on the street, taking for the previous owner. It is right?

No, that analogy is not right. A better analogy is if the previous owner threw sand in the crankcase causing the engine to blow up some time later after you bought it, then blaming the car's manufacturer for allowing used car sales. The moral of the story is, when buying a used car from a stranger, check the oil first, if only to make sure it is in fact oil and not sand.

It is convenient to interpret the rules to those who write them, but the fact remains. Failure to regulate trade accounts, and there is aiding fraud. It’s not for me to judge you, time will judge. I would reconsider the question of trading accounts. People do not like when they are deceived, and it does not honor our forum.

You are asking for help that would work almost like a state justice. The fact that it is not totally forbidden does not mean that the buying and selling of accounts are encouraged. Regulating this trade would bring responsibilities that the forum does not want to have.

Whoever buys an account knows the risks it runs. Do not try to hold the forum responsible for your risky, and stupid, decisions.

"Arise, you have nothing to lose but your barbed wire fences!"

If the forum does not prohibit sale accounts, then it is profitable for them. So fraudsters thrive. Fact is a fact.
I'm not looking for justice, she's not here. I want to reach the moderators. Stop contributing to scammers! If you do not do this, will call the entire forum scamners.
Stop sales account!

[TryNinja]

If the forum does not prohibit sale accounts, then it is profitable for them. So fraudsters thrive. Fact is a fact.
I'm not looking for justice, she's not here. I want to reach the moderators. Stop contributing to scammers! If you do not do this, will call the entire forum scamners.
Stop sales account!

Fact? How exactly does the forum profit from account sales?

[leshak]

If the forum does not prohibit sale accounts, then it is profitable for them. So fraudsters thrive. Fact is a fact.
I'm not looking for justice, she's not here. I want to reach the moderators. Stop contributing to scammers! If you do not do this, will call the entire forum scamners.
Stop sales account!

Fact? How exactly does the forum profit from account sales?

Are you sure you are able to answer for everyone on the forum? Forum users are robbed, indicating the rules, which states that the purchase of an account is not prohibited. And in fact, not guilty is punished. The user was left without money, and received a ban, for the actions of the fraudster seller. And you say that the forum has nothing to do with it? The forum allows this to occur, and thus contributes to fraud. You worship the forum rules, but you yourself do not follow them. You can not always ban a person who is not guilty, and did not violate the rules of the forum. Permanent ban, this is for the individual, but not for the account, as it is written in the rules! So where is the logic in the punishment of a non-wine and deceived person?

[TryNinja]

Are you sure you are able to answer for everyone on the forum? Forum users are robbed, indicating the rules, which states that the purchase of an account is not prohibited. And in fact, not guilty is punished. The user was left without money, and received a ban, for the actions of the fraudster seller. And you say that the forum has nothing to do with it? The forum allows this to occur, and thus contributes to fraud. You worship the forum rules, but you yourself do not follow them. You can not always ban a person who is not guilty, and did not violate the rules of the forum. Permanent ban, this is for the individual, but not for the account, as it is written in the rules! So where is the logic in the punishment of a non-wine and deceived person?

Still waiting for you to answer on how the forum profits from account sales.

Do they take a small part of the scammer’s profit?
Do they even recommend people to buy accounts?

No? Then, they don’t profit shit from people like “your friend”; If you haven’t noticed yet, the ban will stay regardless of what you say. That - unlike what you said - is indeed a fact.

[YOSHIE]

He bought an account on the forum in the month of July 2018. There is evidence. Looks like the previous owner acted like a crook. Used plagiarism. Due to the fact that it is not the account that is being punished but a person, is there any sense in punishing with permabun new owner, for what he did not do.?
Thanks.

Your friend has done this,
So it's only natural to get a ban.
Is this enough to prove your friend is guilty...?

account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=909172[yla1974]

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2021015.msg23574141#msg23574141
ETH wallet:0x23B13556f69987b689C1E2f883E9B3d8d615A5a3

Bitcointalk username:yla1974   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=909172;

calculations:

Signature Campaign:8231.707317

Partial payment: 1182.6544  

Remaining Tokens Amount: 7049.052917

Accounts Connected:

fantom1962 , yla1974 , alex bond , ligator19840208 , pit19521506 , miramax-10 , viktoriya1945  

Proof:
AFTER hours of investigation I've linked only 4/7 accounts ...

Which four?

Code:

[color=red]0x23B13556f69987b689C1E2f883E9B3d8d615A5a3[/color]
0x5cc9565f9fd0af0e2f2721af9d6dad6bd1821686
0x546ab5233a660b6ea6752064851bbc9ce5fc68d0
0x58e4248ac427c4c88fbacfdfec6611b430fe9388

yla1974 ligator19840208 miramax-10 viktoriya1945  

Code:

http://archive.is/z6PIJ#selection-9021.11-9021.54

WOW THE SPREADSHEET IT'S GONE! maybe he has powerful friends.

@fantom1962. is now banned for plagiarism: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5042560.msg46441905#msg46441905

also adding this



Done with  DdmrDdmr tool

+ Adding 3 alts

Accounts Connected:

fantom1962 , yla1974 , alex bond , ligator19840208 , pit19521506 , miramax-10 , viktoriya1945  

-snip-

+ 3 accounts: vavan1974muz, aligator2017, Webcelerator.

Humaniq token transactions to the same wallet: https://etherscan.io/address/0x6190dc10745828d54a486ec58d0e9b4871aae2ae#tokentxns
Data can be found on Humaniq Signature Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GUa7COUdyhZffiiEALO9x_GiYahGr5ZSj5q0UJ0sB3U/edit#gid=0
#093 0x5Cc9565F9Fd0af0E2F2721aF9D6dad6bD1821686 pit19521506
#116 0x58E4248Ac427C4C88FBAcfDFEC6611B430fe9388 Webcelerator.
#117 0x546Ab5233A660b6Ea6752064851BBC9ce5fc68d0 vavan1974muz

Suretly tokens transactions to the same wallet: https://etherscan.io/token/0xe120c1ecbfdfea7f0a8f0ee30063491e8c26fedf?a=0x58e4248ac427c4c88fbacfdfec6611b430fe9388
Data can be found on Suretly Signature Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Neq7KivGjqkNPfZCrkWpOEsYXBZKBUHsfM83-u5S6rU/edit#gid=1750124709
#046 0x5Cc9565F9Fd0af0E2F2721aF9D6dad6bD1821686 ligator19840208
#064 0x58E4248Ac427C4C88FBAcfDFEC6611B430fe9388 viktoriya1945
#076 0x546Ab5233A660b6Ea6752064851BBC9ce5fc68d0 aligator2017
#115 0x23B13556f69987b689C1E2f883E9B3d8d615A5a3 fantom1962.

So there's no need to ask more about your friends, everything has been proven.

[Coyster]

If the forum does not prohibit sale accounts, then it is profitable them

The forum doesn't have any profits from the sale of accounts as it has no connection with members who decide to trade their accounts.
The forum encourages us not to sell accounts but doesn't state it's against the rules,but definitely if one is caught in the act,its a straight red tag.
I think the rules on account sales should be changed and it should be made known that it's against the rules and should not be done

[leshak]

Are you sure you are able to answer for everyone on the forum? Forum users are robbed, indicating the rules, which states that the purchase of an account is not prohibited. And in fact, not guilty is punished. The user was left without money, and received a ban, for the actions of the fraudster seller. And you say that the forum has nothing to do with it? The forum allows this to occur, and thus contributes to fraud. You worship the forum rules, but you yourself do not follow them. You can not always ban a person who is not guilty, and did not violate the rules of the forum. Permanent ban, this is for the individual, but not for the account, as it is written in the rules! So where is the logic in the punishment of a non-wine and deceived person?

Still waiting for you to answer on how the forum profits from account sales.

Do they take a small part of the scammer’s profit?
Do they even recommend people to buy accounts?

No? Then, they don’t profit shit from people like “your friend”; If you haven’t noticed yet, the ban will stay regardless of what you say. That - unlike what you said - is indeed a fact.

It is not possible to control who makes a profit in a place with fraudsters. Easier to prohibit trade accounts.
I do not ask anyone to cancel the ban, it is meaningless. Where there is no responsible, there is no order.
The only thing I would like to convey is the benefit for all. Ban account trading if you are unable to regulate it!

[leshak]

He bought an account on the forum in the month of July 2018. There is evidence. Looks like the previous owner acted like a crook. Used plagiarism. Due to the fact that it is not the account that is being punished but a person, is there any sense in punishing with permabun new owner, for what he did not do.?
Thanks.

Your friend has done this,
So it's only natural to get a ban.
Is this enough to prove your friend is guilty...?

account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=909172[yla1974]

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2021015.msg23574141#msg23574141
ETH wallet:0x23B13556f69987b689C1E2f883E9B3d8d615A5a3

Bitcointalk username:yla1974   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=909172;

calculations:

Signature Campaign:8231.707317

Partial payment: 1182.6544  

Remaining Tokens Amount: 7049.052917

Accounts Connected:

fantom1962 , yla1974 , alex bond , ligator19840208 , pit19521506 , miramax-10 , viktoriya1945  

Proof:
AFTER hours of investigation I've linked only 4/7 accounts ...

Which four?

Code:

[color=red]0x23B13556f69987b689C1E2f883E9B3d8d615A5a3[/color]
0x5cc9565f9fd0af0e2f2721af9d6dad6bd1821686
0x546ab5233a660b6ea6752064851bbc9ce5fc68d0
0x58e4248ac427c4c88fbacfdfec6611b430fe9388

yla1974 ligator19840208 miramax-10 viktoriya1945  

Code:

http://archive.is/z6PIJ#selection-9021.11-9021.54

WOW THE SPREADSHEET IT'S GONE! maybe he has powerful friends.

@fantom1962. is now banned for plagiarism: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5042560.msg46441905#msg46441905

also adding this



Done with  DdmrDdmr tool

+ Adding 3 alts

Accounts Connected:

fantom1962 , yla1974 , alex bond , ligator19840208 , pit19521506 , miramax-10 , viktoriya1945  

-snip-

+ 3 accounts: vavan1974muz, aligator2017, Webcelerator.

Humaniq token transactions to the same wallet: https://etherscan.io/address/0x6190dc10745828d54a486ec58d0e9b4871aae2ae#tokentxns
Data can be found on Humaniq Signature Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GUa7COUdyhZffiiEALO9x_GiYahGr5ZSj5q0UJ0sB3U/edit#gid=0
#093 0x5Cc9565F9Fd0af0E2F2721aF9D6dad6bD1821686 pit19521506
#116 0x58E4248Ac427C4C88FBAcfDFEC6611B430fe9388 Webcelerator.
#117 0x546Ab5233A660b6Ea6752064851BBC9ce5fc68d0 vavan1974muz

Suretly tokens transactions to the same wallet: https://etherscan.io/token/0xe120c1ecbfdfea7f0a8f0ee30063491e8c26fedf?a=0x58e4248ac427c4c88fbacfdfec6611b430fe9388
Data can be found on Suretly Signature Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Neq7KivGjqkNPfZCrkWpOEsYXBZKBUHsfM83-u5S6rU/edit#gid=1750124709
#046 0x5Cc9565F9Fd0af0E2F2721aF9D6dad6bD1821686 ligator19840208
#064 0x58E4248Ac427C4C88FBAcfDFEC6611B430fe9388 viktoriya1945
#076 0x546Ab5233A660b6Ea6752064851BBC9ce5fc68d0 aligator2017
#115 0x23B13556f69987b689C1E2f883E9B3d8d615A5a3 fantom1962.

So there's no need to ask more about your friends, everything has been proven.

My friend bought an account in July. But this is not interesting to anyone. It is much easier to throw mud at a person who was already robbed by a fraudster.
Please, bun it all connected.

[leshak]

If the forum does not prohibit sale accounts, then it is profitable them

The forum doesn't have any profits from the sale of accounts as it has no connection with members who decide to trade their accounts.
The forum encourages us not to sell accounts but doesn't state it's against the rules,but definitely if one is caught in the act,its a straight red tag.
I think the rules on account sales should be changed and it should be made known that it's against the rules and should not be done

Thanks for your support. You are absolutely right. The scams should stop.