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A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. I'm curious to see what people think about this. That was the final sentence at the end of a post. I'll repeat the post here, I have it saved because I thought and wrote about it over a period of days. Where should we focus for 2019? No matter how you look at it, 2018 was a horrible year for the entire cryptocurrency scene. Bitcoin was at the forefront of all of this. Frankly, it doesn't matter what top 100 market cap coin you're invested in. The price movements between the coins correlate massively. You can see this by observing the entire market cap. There is no such thing as pure diversification in cryptocurrency.
The events of 2018 have destroyed the trust of many. There is apparent manipulation. There is a lack of spending within the cryptocurrency economy. There is a lack of production within the cryptocurrency economy. The price movements have been entirely driven up due to manipulation from a select few. This speculation is foolish and it has done no good for the cryptocurrency community.
In what ways are we actually better off from the substantial rise in price? We've seen companies refuse cryptocurrency as a payment option. People have stupidly bought into the hype. There has been losses attributed to cryptocurrency. The news coverage has never been more bleak.
It's easy to blame external forces. Blame the government. Blame the federal reserve. Blame what you want. It does nothing to solve the fundamental problems that cryptocurrency has. I believe the problem isn't with the government. The issue has everything to do with ourselves and cryptocurrency itself.
In its current form, to call cryptocurrency a 'currency' is a stretch. There was a $600 billion speculation on the entirety of cryptocurrency. The actual exchange of goods and services using cryptocurrency wouldn't even be 10% of that. Who is actually using cryptocurrency as a 'currency'? Let's be honest, nobody but a dedicated few. Most people are in cryptocurrency to make a short-term profit. So much for Bitcoin taking over the world. The people who use cryptocurrency want to sell out for USD, the allegedly doomed currency.
The increase in market cap was entirely down to speculation. We're supposed to be against stupid bubbles. Bitcoin was itself a response to the 2008 Financial Crisis caused by the pumping of the real estate bubble. The boom and bust cycle does nothing for real growth. Indexed, we're only marginally better off than we were in 2008. In regards to the cryptocurrency economy, the same applies.
The responsible way to develop the cryptocurrency economy is to look at the fundamentals. People are too focused on unrealistic and frivolous projects to grow the cryptocurrency economy. I embrace the knowledge economy wholeheartedly, but not at the expense of the production, resource or service economy. These basics have been overlooked by the cryptocurrency sphere. Why do we need 50 coins (forks) which do the same thing? There are plenty of coins pegged to a USD in the CoinMarketCap 100. There are plenty of coins which do the same task as Bitcoin. In what way do these so-called projects increase the practical reach of cryptocurrency into the lives of people?
We have to be realistic and practical about the issues cryptocurrency faces. The ideology of sitting on your thumbs, doing nothing, has failed us. Passiveness is a failure. By no means am I advocating for central-planning or economically authoritarian measures. I'm advocating for fundamental capitalist principles. Supply and demand. The needs of consumers. The development of an economy. The richest economies on earth are capitalist, yet they have rules. By no means are these countries a failure.
If we want a reasonable increase in market cap, cryptocurrency needs to accommodate for goods and services. It needs to function like an economy. Fortunately we have solutions that already address the issue of goods. A good example being OpenBazaar. The issue of services is more mucky. I believe we need to prioritise services over goods. Most goods sold aren't done on a business-to-consumer basis. It's largely business-to-business. Where cryptocurrency can gain its own value is by service creation.
Service creation is a no-brainer for cryptocurrency. We can improve the value of cryptocurrency by simply expending time and energy to create utility. People will request services, they will be rendered, this will increase the value. As the quality and category of work improves, the value will too. As jobs will require more knowledge and effort, we will see this reflected in the overall price and size of the cryptocurrency economy. This doesn't require the flooding of dollars to pump up the market. It requires ingenuity and the hard-work of others. The resource that the cryptocurrency will be fundamentally based on is people. This will make it independent and stronger than currencies like USD which is heavily dependent on debt than resources or manufacturing.
Not only does rendering services create value, it will inspire people to better themselves to create quality products. They will utilise skills the have and offer them. If you can do the job, you're part of the solution.
The type of work needs to be based in the real world. The digital gig economy is severely limited in categories and scope. Where can you find a person to walk your dog? Where can you find someone to mow your lawns? Where can you find a mechanic? It's most certainly not on a website like Fiverr or Freelancer. It's not even an option online, aside from some classified boards.
When applied on a global scale, services and cryptocurrency has the fundamental power to change the economy of the world. People will have a chance to offer what they're good at, at competitive prices, to a wide range of customers. Not only will workers earn, they will also be consumers for other products. As spending increases, and more services are rendered, the overall economy will increase and this will be reflected in the market cap. Again, you don't need to speculate to grow. This is fundamental basic economics.
I'm curious to see what people think about this.
This is censorship. If that last sentence was irrelevant, why not just edit it out? Deleting the entire post and the other paragraphs does nothing to improve discussion or spread ideas in the marketplace of ideas. Ridiculous performance from the mods here if you ask me.
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Firstly posts get deleted most time when they're off topic, so I ask you, which board was this posted in?. Secondly post get deleted when they're low quality, it doesn't matter how long it's. Here is a brief explanation of what can be considered a low quality post. Repeating topic already discussion or started by other users. After reading through your topic [took me something though] I wasn't impressed because it's not a new topic That's a topic already been discussed and more are been created on bitcoin discussion board daily.
Ps: Stop creating long topic like this it gets other users discourage from reading them. Topic is just a spam magnet so it's low quality
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Did you include the advertising part you did on Medium?
On a semi-related note, please read the forum rules. You are bumping your ANN thread more than the allowed 1 bump every 24 hours.
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where exactly did you post it? In economics. Firstly posts get deleted most time when they're off topic, so I ask you, which board was this posted in?. Secondly post get deleted when they're low quality, it doesn't matter how long it's. Here is a brief explanation of what can be considered a low quality post. Repeating topic already discussion or started by other users. After reading through your topic [took me something though] I wasn't impressed because it's not a new topic That's a topic already been discussed and more are been created on bitcoin discussion board daily.
Ps: Stop creating long topic like this it gets other users discourage from reading them. Topic is just a spam magnet so it's low quality
Economics. Where has the question been addressed in this manner before? Any previous threads you can show me where the answer is identical? Did you include the advertising part you did on Medium? That wasn't the part quoted as the deleted reason.
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Mods move quickly and are unlikely to provide an exact reason as the expectation is that you understand the rules prior to posting. It seems like there would have been multiple reasons for a moderator to have deleted this post, so I'm unsure what questions remain. The part of your post that is quoted is not meant to explicitly signify the problem; more likely it is just to let you know which post is was for your own reference. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0Take some time, read through the rules and continue using the forum after you understand them more fully.
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Rules:1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]
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3. No trolling.
Forum and Mod, because posts are often deleted by factors, judging that there are some members in the Bitcointalk discussion forum. do topic posts which are considered topics and ordinary criticism. But the forum judged to be out of the rules and ethics of the existing discussion forum. Example:It's easy to blame external forces. Blame the government. Blame the federal reserve. Blame what you want. It does nothing to solve the fundamental problems that cryptocurrency has. I believe the problem isn't with the government. The issue has everything to do with ourselves and cryptocurrency itself.
There is no such thing as pure diversification in cryptocurrency.
The type of work needs to be based in the real world. The digital gig economy is severely limited in categories and scope. Where can you find a person to walk your dog? Where can you find someone to mow your lawns? Where can you find a mechanic? It's most certainly not on a website like Fiverr or Freelancer. It's not even an option online, aside from some classified boards.
You can just make a topic or criticism. (Originally not SARA). But it should not be continuously that seems 'at length, a little but meaningful posting'. Topics and criticism also have limits. as long as the forum value is not feasible, the forum has the right to delete any posts. Please criticize or discuss the topic in the forum, which the forum needs to know is not allergic to criticism and topics. Moreover, by giving certain 'designations' or 'calls' to other members, the forum judges that it is very inappropriate. ethical norms can be different, but forums also have ethical norms that should be safeguarded especially Meta, bitcoin, economic, local discussions etc. Maybe that was one of the post factors removed. Hopefully this can be a lesson for everyone to keep including me.
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Did you include the advertising part you did on Medium? That wasn't the part quoted as the deleted reason. The mod could have misquoted. Did you or did you not include the advertisement part in your post?
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This was your raw unedited post (exluding quotes): taskly 2529129 49371087 <a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php#3">Economy</a> / <a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=7.0">Economics</a> / <b><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100909.msg49371087#msg49371087">Cryptocurrency Needs a New Direction</a></b>
An interesting thread I've seen is the following: <a class="ul" href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5040262.0">https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5040262.0</a><br /><br />Where should we focus for 2019? No matter how you look at it, 2018 was a horrible year for the entire cryptocurrency scene. Bitcoin was at the forefront of all of this. Frankly, it doesn't matter what top 100 market cap coin you're invested in. The price movements between the coins correlate massively. You can see this by observing the entire market cap. There is no such thing as pure diversification in cryptocurrency. <br /><br />The events of 2018 have destroyed the trust of many. There is apparent manipulation. There is a lack of spending within the cryptocurrency economy. There is a lack of production within the cryptocurrency economy. The price movements have been entirely driven up due to manipulation from a select few. This speculation is foolish and it has done no good for the cryptocurrency community.<br /><br />In what ways are we actually better off from the substantial rise in price? We've seen companies refuse cryptocurrency as a payment option. People have stupidly bought into the hype. There has been losses attributed to cryptocurrency. The news coverage has never been more bleak. <br /><br />It's easy to blame external forces. Blame the government. Blame the federal reserve. Blame what you want. It does nothing to solve the fundamental problems that cryptocurrency has. I believe the problem isn't with the government. The issue has everything to do with ourselves and cryptocurrency itself.<br /><br />In its current form, to call cryptocurrency a 'currency' is a stretch. There was a $600 billion speculation on the entirety of cryptocurrency. The actual exchange of goods and services using cryptocurrency wouldn't even be 10% of that. Who is actually using cryptocurrency as a 'currency'? Let's be honest, nobody but a dedicated few. Most people are in cryptocurrency to make a short-term profit. So much for Bitcoin taking over the world. The people who use cryptocurrency want to sell out for USD, the allegedly doomed currency.<br /><br />The increase in market cap was entirely down to speculation. We're supposed to be against stupid bubbles. Bitcoin was itself a response to the 2008 Financial Crisis caused by the pumping of the real estate bubble. The boom and bust cycle does nothing for real growth. Indexed, we're only marginally better off than we were in 2008. In regards to the cryptocurrency economy, the same applies.<br /><br />The responsible way to develop the cryptocurrency economy is to look at the fundamentals. People are too focused on unrealistic and frivolous projects to grow the cryptocurrency economy. I embrace the knowledge economy wholeheartedly, but not at the expense of the production, resource or service economy. These basics have been overlooked by the cryptocurrency sphere. Why do we need 50 coins (forks) which do the same thing? There are plenty of coins pegged to a USD in the CoinMarketCap 100. There are plenty of coins which do the same task as Bitcoin. In what way do these so-called projects increase the practical reach of cryptocurrency into the lives of people?<br /><br />We have to be realistic and practical about the issues cryptocurrency faces. The ideology of sitting on your thumbs, doing nothing, has failed us. Passiveness is a failure. By no means am I advocating for central-planning or economically authoritarian measures. I'm advocating for fundamental capitalist principles. Supply and demand. The needs of consumers. The development of an economy. The richest economies on earth are capitalist, yet they have rules. By no means are these countries a failure.<br /><br />If we want a reasonable increase in market cap, cryptocurrency needs to accommodate for goods and services. It needs to function like an economy. Fortunately we have solutions that already address the issue of goods. A good example being OpenBazaar. The issue of services is more mucky. I believe we need to prioritise services over goods. Most goods sold aren't done on a business-to-consumer basis. It's largely business-to-business. Where cryptocurrency can gain its own value is by service creation. <br /><br />Service creation is a no-brainer for cryptocurrency. We can improve the value of cryptocurrency by simply expending time and energy to create utility. People will request services, they will be rendered, this will increase the value. As the quality and category of work improves, the value will too. As jobs will require more knowledge and effort, we will see this reflected in the overall price and size of the cryptocurrency economy. This doesn't require the flooding of dollars to pump up the market. It requires ingenuity and the hard-work of others. The resource that the cryptocurrency will be fundamentally based on is people. This will make it independent and stronger than currencies like USD which is heavily dependent on debt than resources or manufacturing. <br /><br />Not only does rendering services create value, it will inspire people to better themselves to create quality products. They will utilise skills the have and offer them. If you can do the job, you're part of the solution.<br /><br />The type of work needs to be based in the real world. The digital gig economy is severely limited in categories and scope. Where can you find a person to walk your dog? Where can you find someone to mow your lawns? Where can you find a mechanic? It's most certainly not on a website like Fiverr or Freelancer. It's not even an option online, aside from some classified boards. <br /><br />When applied on a global scale, services and cryptocurrency has the fundamental power to change the economy of the world. People will have a chance to offer what they're good at, at competitive prices, to a wide range of customers. Not only will workers earn, they will also be consumers for other products. As spending increases, and more services are rendered, the overall economy will increase and this will be reflected in the market cap. Again, you don't need to speculate to grow. This is fundamental basic economics.<br /><br />I have created a solution to capitalise on this. I call it Taskly. It is a services platform with a variety of features included to help both consumers and workers. Anyone will be able to offer and find services they need. This will change the world. <br /><br />Read the thread here: <a class="ul" href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100034.msg49337995#msg49337995">https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100034.msg49337995#msg49337995</a><br /> <br />Visit our website: <a class="ul" href="http://www.taskly.net">www.taskly.net</a><br /><br />What do you guys think? It was posted just over 10 hours ago in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100909.msg49371087#msg49371087 and it looks like the whole topic "Cryptocurrency Needs a New Direction" in "Economics" has been deleted. Reading through it quickly, it looks like a generic low-quality post meant to spam your website. How convinient to leave out that part when you complain about a deleted post!
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This was your raw unedited post (exluding quotes): It was posted just over 10 hours ago in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100909.msg49371087#msg49371087 and it looks like the whole topic "Cryptocurrency Needs a New Direction" in "Economics" has been deleted. Reading through it quickly, it looks like a generic low-quality post meant to spam your website. How convinient to leave out that part when you complain about a deleted post! With respect, I disagree with what you're saying and your characterisation of the matter. The definition of 'low quality' is "of poor or inferior quality." How is a 10+ paragraph post 'low quality'? The grammar and spelling is proper English (UK). It follows the correct structure of an essay. It's relevant to economics and the entirety of cryptocurrency. You're entitled to have your opinion, but it is wrong at all levels. Mods move quickly and are unlikely to provide an exact reason as the expectation is that you understand the rules prior to posting. It seems like there would have been multiple reasons for a moderator to have deleted this post, so I'm unsure what questions remain. The part of your post that is quoted is not meant to explicitly signify the problem; more likely it is just to let you know which post is was for your own reference. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0Take some time, read through the rules and continue using the forum after you understand them more fully. I am well-versed in the rules. I fail to see how my post broke any rules. I appreciate you linking the rules though. Did you include the advertising part you did on Medium? That wasn't the part quoted as the deleted reason. The mod could have misquoted. Did you or did you not include the advertisement part in your post? Advertisements are allowed. Let me refer you to rule 24: "24. Advertisements (including signatures within the post area) in posts aren't allowed unless the post is in a thread you started and is really substantial and useful." My post fits the definition of having substance. It identifies a problem, explains it, provides a solution. As I said above, all in proper English (UK), correct spelling, grammar and convention.
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I read your original thread and appreciate that you have put thought into your project and wish you well. It's not completely clear to me whether your long post was in an existing thread titled ""Cryptocurrency Needs a New Direction" which has been nuked, or was that thread started by you with that post? Whichever, it's clear that mods are generally deleting threads which have the potential to become spam magnets on generic psuedosubjects and I guess they thought that qualified as such. On reading your main thread over the last few days I did notice that you were breaking the no bump rule by regularly adding small posts within the time limits allowed. So, I'd suggest that your multiple deletions have two reasons; the majority of them for bumping and the long post for being in a generic thread, as is indicated by the times of deletion. I can understand that you are upset, but don't get paranoid. The old guard are censoring our posts. They don't want to see cryptocurrency succeed. They don't see the utility of adoption and cryptocurrency economic development.
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January 23, 2019, 12:23:20 PM Last edit: January 23, 2019, 12:34:29 PM by r1s2g3 |
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This was your raw unedited post (exluding quotes): It was posted just over 10 hours ago in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100909.msg49371087#msg49371087 and it looks like the whole topic "Cryptocurrency Needs a New Direction" in "Economics" has been deleted. Reading through it quickly, it looks like a generic low-quality post meant to spam your website. How convinient to leave out that part when you complain about a deleted post! With respect, I disagree with what you're saying and your characterisation of the matter. The definition of 'low quality' is "of poor or inferior quality." How is a 10+ paragraph post 'low quality'? The grammar and spelling is proper English (UK). It follows the correct structure of an essay. It's relevant to economics and the entirety of cryptocurrency. Your post is low quality according to below consensus of community. It has nothing to do with post length and grammar. Low Quality involves copying the article and providing the source while HQ involve comprehending the article and initiating the discussion on Pros and cons.
If you are the original writer in that outside website than you are not allowed to promote your website in this way, it is considered as spam. Edit: That wasn't the part quoted as the deleted reason.
Any sensible user in this forum do not quote the full post. So mod might just take a small part of your big post , just to inform you which spam post they deleted.
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January 23, 2019, 12:49:17 PM |
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With respect, I disagree with what you're saying and your characterisation of the matter.
The definition of 'low quality' is "of poor or inferior quality."
How is a 10+ paragraph post 'low quality'? The grammar and spelling is proper English (UK). It follows the correct structure of an essay. It's relevant to economics and the entirety of cryptocurrency.
Quantity does not necessarily mean quality. I'm on mobile so hard to check, but is that a copy of the medium article that was posted above. If so i personally would have reported the thread as a copy of a medium article to spam a company advertisement. If you want to avoid this in the future, i suggest not trying to reuse the same article, rewrite it so it is unique. A quality post doesn't need to follow essay format.
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January 23, 2019, 12:58:41 PM |
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A spammer wouldn't engage with the community. I read rule 22. "22. Advertising (this includes mining pools, gambling services, exchanges, shops, etc.) in others threads' is no longer allowed, including, but not limited to, in altcoin announcement threads. " I've never posted my links on anyone else's threads. I started original discussions. Can you show the community and I where I posted on anyone else's threads? Your post is low quality according to below consensus of community. It has nothing to do with post length and grammar.
That's a subjective interpretation. Not based on anything hard-pressed. I would prefer the rules be enforced on an objective and factual basis. The subjective interpretation isn't what cryptocurrency is about. It's about the facts and figures. What you're suggesting isn't in the spirit of cryptocurrency. Low Quality involves copying the article and providing the source while HQ involve comprehending the article and initiating the discussion on Pros and cons.
That isn't what it means, but you're entitled to your subjective interpretations of the rules. If you are the original writer in that outside website than you are not allowed to promote your website in this way, it is considered as spam.
Can you show me the rule? Quantity does not necessarily mean quality.
I'm on mobile so hard to check, but is that a copy of the medium article that was posted above. If so i personally would have reported the thread as a copy of a medium article to spam a company advertisement.
If you want to avoid this in the future, i suggest not trying to reuse the same article, rewrite it so it is unique. A quality post doesn't need to follow essay format.
The BitcoinTalk post was first. The Medium article came after. A quality post does need to follow an essay format. I've never seen something of quality that doesn't follow any basic conventions. Just because there's a little thing at the bottom, doesn't render the entire topic null and void. That's called a straw-man fallacy.
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January 23, 2019, 01:26:29 PM |
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Can you show me the rule?
Look like , you are still not understood the rules correctly. There is very large disclaimer before stating the rules. NOTE: This is meant to serve as a reference/educational/informational thread, NOT a rock solid list of rules.
It simply means, if your post look low-quality/spam they are free to delete it, they do not have mention each and every case explicitly in rules section.
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January 23, 2019, 01:46:02 PM |
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A quality post does need to follow an essay format. I've never seen something of quality that doesn't follow any basic conventions.
Bullshit. I've seen memes of higher quality than your contrived "essay". Moderators have a wide discretion on how to interpret the rules and your post certainly wasn't anything special worth fighting for. You can try re-posting it if you're so convinced you're right. You don't need to open a thread about every deleted post. In conclusion, Reddit will be happy to have you. Good luck.
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January 23, 2019, 01:49:26 PM |
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Can you show me the rule?
Look like , you are still not understood the rules correctly. There is very large disclaimer before stating the rules. NOTE: This is meant to serve as a reference/educational/informational thread, NOT a rock solid list of rules.
It simply means, if your post look low-quality/spam they are free to delete it, they do not have mention each and every case explicitly in rules section. So the application of rules is subjective. This is the very thing cryptocurrency is against. We are advocating for a technology based on objectivity, yet the principles of the larger community don't reflect this. This mere suggestion is an insult to the concept of blockchain itself. It is not what we ought to stand for. If you don't stand for objectivity, than what does blockchain have to offer that the traditional banking sector doesn't? A quality post does need to follow an essay format. I've never seen something of quality that doesn't follow any basic conventions.
Bullshit. I've seen memes of higher quality than your contrived "essay". Moderators have a wide discretion on how to interpret the rules and your post certainly wasn't anything special worth fighting for. You can try re-posting it if you're so convinced you're right. You don't need to open a thread about every deleted post. In conclusion, Reddit will be happy to have you. Good luck. Calm down. If it's incorrect and all around a terrible post, why hasn't anyone refuted it? It's so wrong that nobody has rebuked it. You said you didn't even read it. Maybe you should before commenting.
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January 23, 2019, 02:23:40 PM |
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So the application of rules is subjective. ... If you don't stand for objectivity, ...
The enforcement of the rules has some degree of interpretation and is influenced by the limited amount of resources available to do so. Of course we believe in objectivity, but we haven't exactly developed an automated moderator that is sufficient. Most of the "rules" are just guidelines anyways, but they're something we as a community enforce and the moderators are no different. You're making way too big of a deal about a deleted post and acting as though it was a personal slight. Side-Note: Walls of text don't mean the post is good, there is art in brevity and sometimes people don't care to read your ramblings; I'd know.
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January 23, 2019, 02:28:07 PM |
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Calm down.
If it's incorrect and all around a terrible post, why hasn't anyone refuted it? It's so wrong that nobody has rebuked it.
You said you didn't even read it. Maybe you should before commenting.
Where did I say that? Maybe you should stop making shit up. Lock the thread. Post your essay again without the ad. Don't go full cryptohunter for one deleted post.
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