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April 08, 2019, 02:27:35 PM
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The IRS has increasingly sophisticated tools to track cryptocurrency transactions, so it's best to just pay what you owe. Besides, if you are a long-term holder and make a profit, the tax rate is pretty reasonable. There is no point in risking jail time and fines just to save a small sliver of your gains.
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April 09, 2019, 03:02:43 AM
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Even you dont want to pay tax and so many reason in your mind to tell to police. they can know that your lying because on the last part you cryptocurrency will go to bank and can detect where your money comes from and this will give you a lot to explain and in the last part you will be caught for not paying taxes much better to pay it because in the end you will suffer on the consequences.

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April 09, 2019, 03:23:46 AM
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Why not pay any taxes? This is necessary in a growing country and I think I’d better to pay the taxes than to be punished later on. So i think you have to follow the law and make a good contribution to your government, its good to be good sometimes.


Agree with you, but this depends on one government to another. There are a lot of governments in this world who steal our taxes for their personal needs!
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April 09, 2019, 03:27:56 AM
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This is highly misleading as tax evasion is a serious crime that could lead to being sentenced in jail for years including a fine. Whatever the stipulation of the rules or laws in your country regarding cryptocurrency, you must faithfully adapt and embrace its texts and follow it religiously. Regardless of what the nature of bitcoin may be, it is not an excuse for someone to disobey the law.

I better pay taxes. I don't want cryptocurrencies to always have a bad image by not paying taxes. isn't tax avoidance a criminal act. avoiding and not reporting taxes can face a prison as punishment. you should be careful in dealing with tax law. at least it can still help state costs in continuing to support development by paying taxes.

The stigma about cryptocurrencies started when people utilized it for that illegal means, which also includes tax evasion. People have been spreading fake news which contributes to its reputation being a scam to the public. Unfortunately, these spreading of news affects the price in general in attracting investors.

 
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April 09, 2019, 03:33:26 AM
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Even you dont want to pay tax and so many reason in your mind to tell to police. they can know that your lying because on the last part you cryptocurrency will go to bank and can detect where your money comes from and this will give you a lot to explain and in the last part you will be caught for not paying taxes much better to pay it because in the end you will suffer on the consequences.
well, maybe this will apply when the government has given regulations regarding this matter. however, as long as there are no rules regarding taxes to be paid from bitcoin, or altcoin users, I think it's natural that we don't pay them. moreover we do not know what the tax is for.

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April 09, 2019, 03:44:30 AM
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Base on what you are saying, you are evading paying taxes and you might get to jail because of tax evasion. Is jail is just a room for you? Pay your taxes. Follow the rules, it's just a simple tax.
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April 09, 2019, 04:20:25 AM
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I am not against the idea of tax but I don't know how the governments will track every crypto user and all the transactions in order to tax them. But for indirect tax, every crypto user cannot escape it because the centralized exchange sites are taxed and these taxes are indirectly paid by traders through the trading charges on the exchange.

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April 09, 2019, 04:54:59 AM
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I think that most of countries don't request paying taxes on Bitcoin itself, only on transactions. But even if the law is different I don't think that you can decide whether to pay taxes or not, it's then the legal obligation and for avoiding it you might get punished.
But because of the lack of regulation about cryptocurrencies in many countries this area still isn't designed properly and Bitcoin users don't have much obligations to the authorities.

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April 09, 2019, 06:05:17 AM
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You've right but today I can't imagine any different solution. The world of cryptocurrencies is not independent and does not work in isolation from the real world. The only tax that can be applied is the income tax. And a relatively stable reference point is necessary to determine the income. Today, cryptocurrencies are subject to high fluctuations and their use as a reference is debatable. After that, we have thousands of them so what solution to take - choose one of them, for example bitcoin and refer to it profit or loss. And if we gain 50% in bitcoin and at the same time bitcoin will fall by 90% (that is, we will actually lose 85% in dollars), we should still pay tax on our loss - then we would lost everything we put in crypto and should add some more extra funds to pay tax.

Then if I will be directly using bitcoin or any crypto funds to by goods that I can consider as my assets, I can now simply evade paying my tax. That is the main reason why I have told you that the laws with regards to cypto taxation is not yet established.

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You probably read an article about a student who invested $ 5,000 in ethereum and in November his cryptocurrencies were worth $ 125,000 but he had to pay as much as $ 400,000 tax - it's insane.

https://www.ccn.com/tax-nightmare-student-invested-5k-in-ethereum-now-owes-400k-in-taxes

So in fact today's cryptocurrency taxes connect to the Fiat system, but any other solution is unacceptable. Maybe in the future, when the cryptocurrency world will develop very much and it will start to function independently - in a complete separation from fiat, other solutions will be possible ... but not today ...



That only solidify my statement that even if we are using the current FIAT system this are still not being properly enforced or performed. The person who actually computed the tax that was given by that student is purely proves their ignorance with this technology.


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Tax rate which too high can become a nightmare, but honestly I think pay tax of our bitcoin is still okey because government use the fund to build infrastructures for us. Low rate tax for bitcoin is okey but if it's too high then this can make cryptocurrency holder think twice to declare about amount of cryptocurrency they have.

Everybody is speaking about taxes, but still, I have not met any person who pays this money. I will be not surprised if most people will try to avoid these payments and succeed in it.
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April 09, 2019, 07:06:45 AM
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Even you dont want to pay tax and so many reason in your mind to tell to police. they can know that your lying because on the last part you cryptocurrency will go to bank and can detect where your money comes from and this will give you a lot to explain and in the last part you will be caught for not paying taxes much better to pay it because in the end you will suffer on the consequences.
well, maybe this will apply when the government has given regulations regarding this matter. however, as long as there are no rules regarding taxes to be paid from bitcoin, or altcoin users, I think it's natural that we don't pay them. moreover we do not know what the tax is for.

I think there are many countries doesn't make regulations for their people who are involved in crypto to pay tax. But people only pay tax when they got an income in their bank account and the tax that people needs to pay in every month. So far, I only pay my monthly taxes because I got an income. But soon, if there are regulations is apply, we need to pay the tax because we don't want to get any illegal things that can cause us to get a problem.



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April 09, 2019, 07:11:58 AM
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I was thinking about the same thing but unfortunately you are not more powerful than governments in order to fight with them. Crypto taxes are just like normal taxes and this means you will get fines for not paying them or even face prison in some countries and I don't think you want to risk that.

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April 09, 2019, 07:12:47 AM
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Tax rate which too high can become a nightmare, but honestly I think pay tax of our bitcoin is still okey because government use the fund to build infrastructures for us. Low rate tax for bitcoin is okey but if it's too high then this can make cryptocurrency holder think twice to declare about amount of cryptocurrency they have.

Everybody is speaking about taxes, but still, I have not met any person who pays this money. I will be not surprised if most people will try to avoid these payments and succeed in it.
If you are living in a country where tax regulation is not so strict, then you can avoid it.
There are a lot of ways to avoid, some are legal and some are illegal, but you should be careful if you do it illegally as the consequence is hard when you are violate the law of the government, that's jail time or you have to pay a big penalty for not abiding the law.

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April 10, 2019, 11:02:44 AM
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Tax rate which too high can become a nightmare, but honestly I think pay tax of our bitcoin is still okey because government use the fund to build infrastructures for us. Low rate tax for bitcoin is okey but if it's too high then this can make cryptocurrency holder think twice to declare about amount of cryptocurrency they have.

Everybody is speaking about taxes, but still, I have not met any person who pays this money. I will be not surprised if most people will try to avoid these payments and succeed in it.



@sakokinak, most of them can't stop preaching about tax on this forum. ok,while trading with an anonymous currency which will be almost difficult for govt. to track while you can trade and do biz with fiat in order to remain transparent? ooh, i don't like womeeeen, i only love enjoy watching them from behind when necessary to avoid payment of tax!!

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April 10, 2019, 11:40:03 AM
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I've done a bit of research on crypto taxes and in most countries the 'taxable event' occurs at the point where crypto is converted to fiat (and probably also recorded when converted from fiat to crypto).

So unless you never plan to convert your crypto to fiat than you'll probably be made to pay taxes.

The good news is that with all these new dapps coming out, and 'defi' such as makerdao you won't actually need to convert to fiat in the future to use the value of your cryptocurrency for banking, and can therefore avoid taxable events.
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April 10, 2019, 11:43:22 AM
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I've done a bit of research on crypto taxes and in most countries the 'taxable event' occurs at the point where crypto is converted to fiat (and probably also recorded when converted from fiat to crypto).

That's correct. I think every local exchange has to send a copy of their transactions history to the government so that they could check if everyone has paid their taxes and fine those that didn't. I didn't expected governments to take action against crypto this early but seems they don't want to waste any single penny they could get from people.

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I was thinking about the same thing but unfortunately you are not more powerful than governments in order to fight with them. Crypto taxes are just like normal taxes and this means you will get fines for not paying them or even face prison in some countries and I don't think you want to risk that.
well, maybe you're right that the tax for crypto is the same as the tax that is usually done. however, each country has its own regulations regarding this, moreover crypto is always changing. Well, for now, I think tax is not really needed for the crypto world, but when the rules are in place, of course we are obliged to follow that.

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April 10, 2019, 04:30:17 PM
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Okay so basically it's okay for you to go to jail without thinking twice that jail time is hard time? Is jail is just a room to you? Dude, think twice, ignorance of the law excuses no one. You should be aware of every law in your country particularly. Jail isn't just a room. It's hard time.

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Okay so basically it's okay for you to go to jail without thinking twice that jail time is hard time? Is jail is just a room to you? Dude, think twice, ignorance of the law excuses no one. You should be aware of every law in your country particularly. Jail isn't just a room. It's hard time.

It's all talk and no action. No one want to go to jail. I don't think any of us commenting here has experienced prison life. But from what I heard, it destroys you completely. You will never be the same person again. So please don't count me in when someone says that he'll prefer going to jail rather than paying taxes on crypto profits.

 
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