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February 23, 2019, 05:47:42 PM
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It is very possible for an institution to hold a large amount of hold. because bitcoin is currently experiencing a deep decline I think many people take the opportunity to buy bitcoin
fo investment institution like JP Morgan and othere finance firm , i am sure most of them holding bitcoin now in their portofolio.this is best chance for them to earn money if they able to spread positive news in market now.
It is not just about Bitcoin ,Banks and big institution hold good amount of fund in stocks or crypto with them.they are big players in trading world,rest become profit generation tool.they dump and pump asset depend on their need.back in 2013 many institution were opposing crypto and calling it as Ponzi scheme but in back they were investing in it.
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February 23, 2019, 07:06:34 PM
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I think many people have already held bitcoin especially now the decline of bitcoin itself is also quite large so it's likely that many people have already held bitcoin to be able to get profits later
Millions of people are holding and they are going to hold for long time until price will go above their expectation, the same way there is high possibility that institutions must be holding bitcoin and they must be holding to see price rise higher, so it is hard to neglect that remarkable number of institutes are holding massive number of bitcoin.
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February 23, 2019, 07:29:45 PM
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have you ever asked if some companies are seriously investing in Cryptos and still not talking about it?

The thing with investors is you'd only know they invested in something after they've already made an exit or it can no longer be hidden. Which I think is one more reason to not take their word on what the hottest investment is.

I wouldn't be surprised if some in the banking sector already have a stash of bitcoins. At at least 10 years old bitcoin still haven't shown any sign of disappearing and that might raise confidence that it is an investment option to diversify into.
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February 23, 2019, 08:51:13 PM
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have you ever asked if some companies are seriously investing in Cryptos and still not talking about it?

The thing with investors is you'd only know they invested in something after they've already made an exit or it can no longer be hidden. Which I think is one more reason to not take their word on what the hottest investment is.

I wouldn't be surprised if some in the banking sector already have a stash of bitcoins. At at least 10 years old bitcoin still haven't shown any sign of disappearing and that might raise confidence that it is an investment option to diversify into

That's actually a very wise thought which definitely deserves a merit (or two)

Though I don't think there are a lot of public investments going into crypto right now (as that requires disclosure of such information) but we can be damn sure that at least some of the big guns of the financial world have already invested in Bitcoin privately. Personally, I don't expect die-hards like Warren Buffett to get interested in cryptocurrencies any time soon (if ever), but other folks less stubborn and more open-minded may have already gotten their feet wet at Bitcoin investments. Obviously, they are not going to tell the world about it

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February 23, 2019, 11:54:06 PM
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There's no doubt that there are bigtime holders of bitcoin. For sure some of them are huge companies, rich politicians and some of them might be rich people around the world. They might have bought their bitcoin since the time of bitcoin starting to grow. And moat likely their are holding their bitcoin as gold reserved. It's hard to prove that they're holders because of the anonymity of bitcoin.



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February 24, 2019, 01:31:02 AM
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It is very possible for an institution to hold a large amount of hold. because bitcoin is currently experiencing a deep decline I think many people take the opportunity to buy bitcoin

This is a possibility but we can't prove this is happening.

There are a lot of institutions in this world and we don't know what kind of institution they have. It might be an institution built out of religion, out of their culture, their beliefs or anything like that but there can also be a possibility that there is an institution that is built based on the cryptocurrencies that we don't know and they are holding or trying to manipulate the price on the greater or bad of the market. We can't remove that idea that these institutions are planning a bad thing for our investments right?
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February 24, 2019, 05:27:29 AM
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I think that is a big possibility and if some institutions or companies secretly hodl some significant amount of bitcoin then I will call it "undeclared reserve" and they are likely reserving it for their future use. When bitcoin adoption go on full speed, bitcoin can also be use by some institutions or governments as a temporary reserve to beef up their funds for the future.
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February 24, 2019, 05:54:52 AM
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There's no doubt that there are bigtime holders of bitcoin. For sure some of them are huge companies, rich politicians and some of them might be rich people around the world. They might have bought their bitcoin since the time of bitcoin starting to grow. And moat likely their are holding their bitcoin as gold reserved. It's hard to prove that they're holders because of the anonymity of bitcoin.
Agreed, more and more high profile firms as well as personalities have large HODL of bitcoin. People are much aware about the financial institutions trying to get the people's money through one way or another. This means one with large fiat funds hold large funds in bitcoin to profit on growth as well to manipulate the market.

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February 24, 2019, 06:06:25 AM
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There's no doubt that there are bigtime holders of bitcoin. For sure some of them are huge companies, rich politicians and some of them might be rich people around the world.

If they are already rich and wealthy why would they waste their time waiting for a high volatile/unstable asset ?  Arent they contented on what they already have in their banks ?   But when it comes to institutions ,  not all institutions are bigtime  . for example public institutions mainly compose of poor individuals  . some of them are possibly investing in bitcoin and on other altcoins because they want their monies to grow  while working for a stable salary .
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February 24, 2019, 07:57:37 AM
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There is no doubt that some big and important institutions are holding Bitcoins and I'm sure there are also some prominent banks among them. They wouldn't like to admit that in public because that might be against their official policy or not according to their reputation but they are doing that. Thry havd alao seen their opportunity to make money with Bitcoin and to deal with cryptocurrencies, they just can't admit that in public.

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February 24, 2019, 09:41:33 AM
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There's no doubt that there are bigtime holders of bitcoin. For sure some of them are huge companies, rich politicians and some of them might be rich people around the world.

If they are already rich and wealthy why would they waste their time waiting for a high volatile/unstable asset ?  Arent they contented on what they already have in their banks ?   But when it comes to institutions ,  not all institutions are bigtime  . for example public institutions mainly compose of poor individuals  . some of them are possibly investing in bitcoin and on other altcoins because they want their monies to grow  while working for a stable salary

Maybe, because they just happen to like crypto?

I mean they may like the technology itself and everything related. For example, many rich people continue working even if they no longer have to work at all. Indeed, it is not like being an employee or anything related to hired labor but crypto has even less to do with that than what we typically understand by work

It is not uncommon to hear thoughts like earning plenty of dough and then retiring early. But money is not about early retirement (though you can certainly choose that option once you are rich enough). Money is about being free to do what you like to do. In most cases that actually means doing something



And sometimes even more than you would typically do for a pay

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February 24, 2019, 12:31:55 PM
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Maybe . because there is no prohibition on who wants to hold cryptocurrency, it is very likely that there are also many companies in terms of investment because the value of the cryptocurrency market is currently also very large
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February 24, 2019, 01:49:31 PM
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It can be possible, since bitcoin is decentralized and users are anonymous we cannot tell whether a big corporation or companies are holding cryptocurrency. Some companies wanted to incorporate cryptocurrency in their business, however, it is a complicated step for companies to do so.
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February 24, 2019, 02:52:31 PM
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Bitcoin supply has increased slightly,what do you think now?It's bad or good.I think it's a good sign,in fact Bitcoin price has risen again and can be associated with $15,000.So you can now invest or hold in the right direction.maybe this is the reason for will make a good profitable. 
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February 24, 2019, 03:21:42 PM
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Personally, I don't expect die-hards like Warren Buffett to get interested in cryptocurrencies any time soon (if ever)

Assuming he genuinely mean what he say in interviews, Buffet's "Bitcoin is an asset that produces nothing" is probably how most of the older generation of investors see cryptocurrencies.  They'll obviously be more conservative with investments - Buffet regretted not investing in Amazon for example.

Though he's not entirely wrong that the value of bitcoins do somehow depend on how much others are willing to pay for it, I guess what he's missing is that it's intended to be more than a "stock".
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February 24, 2019, 05:57:47 PM
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Personally, I don't expect die-hards like Warren Buffett to get interested in cryptocurrencies any time soon (if ever)

Assuming he genuinely mean what he say in interviews, Buffet's "Bitcoin is an asset that produces nothing" is probably how most of the older generation of investors see cryptocurrencies.  They'll obviously be more conservative with investments - Buffet regretted not investing in Amazon for example

Buffett invests mostly in real sector

Financial instruments where Bitcoin truly belongs to are of no interest to him unlike, for example, George Soros (who is a dyed in the wool speculator). And in this manner, he is technically right about Bitcoin producing nothing. He means that Bitcoin doesn't produce goods which can be consumed and that point can hardly be challenged

On the other hand, Bitcoin is a payment system (at least it is designed to be one) and as such it can be considered a service helping people move money to and fro. And in this sense, its value is as real as anything else out there (provided people actually use it, of course)

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February 24, 2019, 10:47:24 PM
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Due to bitcoin decentralized nature many cooperation and organizations are now optioning for bitcoin and other cryptocurrency because it give the total freedom in doing transaction and on a fast and secured network, compared to what we use to have where there is high level of third party involvement.
everything may happen with excessive desire and profit can be a bad initial intention by harming one of the parties
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February 24, 2019, 11:24:49 PM
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Definitely.

Remember those days when Jamie Dimon keeps on FUDDING the community about bitcoin? where he has been? he's quietly accumulating and later it was reported that his company bought a lot of bitcoin.

It's no longer a secret.

If you happen to know Glenn Beck and Teeka Tiwari's video on youtube, you see them explained it well.
Yeah this was really what had happened when crypto become popular. Famous celebrities, politicians, private and public institutions are studying crypto though not all of them get in but most of them saw some potential  in the cryptocurrency industry most especially Bitcoin. Not only famous entities but also high profile criminals, terrorists and other lawless elements get involve into hoarding Bitcoins because they knew how safe it is to hide in secrecy from government authorities.



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February 24, 2019, 11:36:11 PM
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This maybe right because some of the owner of an institution does have multiple investment which means they could have invested on bitcoin. As we all.know that many are aiming to earn money in easy and seeing how.bitcoin market price.move in the last year let other people decide to invest in bitcoin. However, they were stuck now because of the current market trend which crypro currency is down.
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March 01, 2019, 01:17:59 PM
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everything may happen with excessive desire and profit can be a bad initial intention by harming one of the parties
I think you are referring to market manipulation. Well its known to everyone that the reason crypto market is something that traders generally stay away from the reason is that it is too volatile and that whales always dominate the market. Still there are people who are accredited investors and are not doing buys everyday like people normally think. There are buyers who buy only at a dip and then wait. People think its a bullrun but it is actually a bull trap. Another party who was bagholding is going to sell at this point.

These are all part and parcel of market and trading in a highly speculative unregulated asset. Nothing new.

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