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February 07, 2019, 03:19:05 PM
Last edit: February 07, 2019, 03:30:19 PM by yurez83
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Good day. I'm created this topic because are no other ways to communicate with moderators.
 I will try to explain briefly and clearly about my issue and excuse me please for my bad English, it's not my first language.

 1. I'm respecting rules of the forum and if somewhere several times I crossed the boundaries of communication - I do not justify myself. Nevertheless, I'm never used the author photos of other users or their texts for posting on the forum and trolling. Articles and external sources of information I'm always had with links.

2. I don't allow to use my copyright photos on the forum by several users (I will designate them all), distortion of these photos and trolling.

 I got long discussion in a topic where a certain group of users blamed the Minexcoin project. I did'n took the unproven insults and accusations against me before the coin, until user with nickname
thunderjet published my personal data and most importantly my author photos. And more, other users used my photos in a perverted form, with trolling and even with a sexual harassment (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49589205#msg49589205).
The last straw was the publication of insults and trolling with the illegal usage of my photos in other topics that were not even in the "scam" section.
 I wrote reports to the moderator about these unchallenged events, but after 2 days there was no reaction.

  Based on this, I ask you to immediately remove my copyright photos which was distributed by users without my knowledge, without using direct links to the source and illegal editing them, which falls under forum rule 33 (plagiarism).
 And also I'm asking forum moderators to take measures to prevent further usage of  my copyright photos by other users. I am not a moderator to assess the degree of their guilt and punishment in the form of a ban or something else.

  In case of refusal to delete a photo, I will be forced to defend my rights through the courts. I did not want to bring this incident to these measures, but if it is necessary, I will sue the forum as a source of distribution of my author photos.

And because It's hard to identify users which posted my photos, I will call to the court owners of this forum in case of ignoring of my civil rights.


thunderjet:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49587838#msg49587838
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49587904#msg49587904
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49587968#msg49587968
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49588022#msg49588022
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49588103#msg49588103
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49588443#msg49588443

JollyGood:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49587922#msg49587922
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49587963#msg49587963
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49587996#msg49587996
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49588191#msg49588191
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49588280#msg49588280
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49589020#msg49589020
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49589582#msg49589582
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49589616#msg49589616
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49617352#msg49617352
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4841968.msg49615655#msg49615655

BitPotus:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49588622#msg49588622
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49589205#msg49589205
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49595167#msg49595167
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49604514#msg49604514
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49624288#msg49624288

DeadBirdzz:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49589903#msg49589903

Hunterwolfie:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49620420#msg49620420





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February 07, 2019, 03:29:09 PM
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wow shit..
Is it finger of ur foot?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.340




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February 07, 2019, 03:38:03 PM
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Although I am strongly against plagiarism happening here in the forum the screenshots of where the alleged "plagiarism" have taken in place really has no bearing under the fair use policy of our copyright laws. Below is just a given example of the mere definition of what fair use means on using copyrighted work such as images, videos, music, and of course written work is covered by the fair use policy.

fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.

From what I am seeing with the screenshots you have posted they are just merely commenting on you being busted in your scam, so really there is no plagiarism happening when they used your photos as they have used it to identify the scammer's identity. So what it seems to me is you are just here asking for the mods to cover your tracks and hide your identity again in the forum.

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February 07, 2019, 03:40:23 PM
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Although I am strongly against plagiarism happening here in the forum the screenshots of where the alleged "plagiarism" have taken in place really has no bearing under the fair use policy of our copyright laws. Below is just a given example of the mere definition of what fair use means on using copyrighted work such as images, videos, music, and of course written work is covered by the fair use policy.

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fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.

From what I am seeing with the screenshots you have posted they are just merely commenting on you being busted in your scam. So what it seems to me is you are just here asking for the mods to cover your tracks and hide your identity again in the forum.

Plagiarism is the use of my photos without my knowledge and the main thing is editing  them as my own, applying inscriptions.

wow shit..
Is it finger of ur foot?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.340


Yes it is a finger. Did you like it? It's not mine finger. ))

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~snip~

Plagiarism is the use of my photos without my knowledge and the main thing is editing  them as my own, applying inscriptions.
Dude I just explained in my first post why there is no plagiarism going on with your claim. Let me explain it more clearly if a criminal is identified by authorities and they found some of his pictures in his social media account, do you think that they will need the consent of the criminal first before they take your picture and produce copies of it? Of course not the criminal is a wanted fugitive and they don't need to ask anymore permission to use his pictures to be shown to everyone.

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February 07, 2019, 04:36:43 PM
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Plagiarism is the use of my photos without my knowledge and the main thing is editing  them as my own, applying inscriptions.
Wrong.

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Definition of plagiarize: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plagiarizing

Your copyrighted work can be used without your permission if it classified as fair use.

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What Is Fair Use?
In its most general sense, a fair use is any copying of copyrighted material done for a limited and “transformative” purpose, such as to comment upon, criticize, or parody a copyrighted work. Such uses can be done without permission from the copyright owner. In other words, fair use is a defense against a claim of copyright infringement. If your use qualifies as a fair use, then it would not be considered an infringement.
Source: https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/

Your problem isn't about copyright, but about privacy and doxing.

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February 07, 2019, 04:52:56 PM
Last edit: February 07, 2019, 05:18:13 PM by yurez83
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Plagiarism is the use of my photos without my knowledge and the main thing is editing  them as my own, applying inscriptions.
Wrong.

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Definition of plagiarize: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plagiarizing

Your copyrighted work can be used without your permission if it classified as fair use.

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What Is Fair Use?
In its most general sense, a fair use is any copying of copyrighted material done for a limited and “transformative” purpose, such as to comment upon, criticize, or parody a copyrighted work. Such uses can be done without permission from the copyright owner. In other words, fair use is a defense against a claim of copyright infringement. If your use qualifies as a fair use, then it would not be considered an infringement.
Source: https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/

Your problem isn't about copyright, but about privacy and doxing.

That is, in your opinion, the use of my author's photo for the purpose of causing moral damage and trolling is a "Fair Use"?

Secondly - the use of my author's photo does not imply any manipulations, editing and changes, which automatically becomes plagiarism. I did not give the right to dispose of them as my own, not property.

Thirdly, I have the right to demand the removal of my intangible property only because it is unique and is not already present on any resource. No reference to the source of information.


~snip~

Plagiarism is the use of my photos without my knowledge and the main thing is editing  them as my own, applying inscriptions.
Dude I just explained in my first post why there is no plagiarism going on with your claim. Let me explain it more clearly if a criminal is identified by authorities and they found some of his pictures in his social media account, do you think that they will need the consent of the criminal first before they take your picture and produce copies of it? Of course not the criminal is a wanted fugitive and they don't need to ask anymore permission to use his pictures to be shown to everyone.

Now let me explain to you.
1. These users who insult and accuse me of being illegal are just people like me.
2. If you or they have facts of my fraud, then you can publish them.
3. If there are no facts, this is called slander and is prosecuted.
4. Only the police can use my copyrighted things with the permission of the court.

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February 07, 2019, 05:16:27 PM
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That is, in your opinion, the use of my author's photo for the purpose of causing moral damage and trolling is a "Fair Use"?
Depends, example:


Stop it, just click "Report to moderator" and type your reason as doxing or privacy violation. Let mods decide.
But if you scam people, your odds are small. AFAIK

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February 07, 2019, 05:26:47 PM
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That is, in your opinion, the use of my author's photo for the purpose of causing moral damage and trolling is a "Fair Use"?
Depends, example:


Stop it, just click "Report to moderator" and type your reason as doxing or privacy violation. Let mods decide.
But if you scam people, your odds are small. AFAIK

I'm not guilty of anything. I am not part of the team of the coin, which is accused of something (in my opinion is not legal). I did not take money from anyone ... etc.

If you think that I am guilty of only being a coin investor or holder and at the same time resisting (to fraudsters, in my opinion) who purposefully want to destroy the project with any false accusations, then I am very sorry.
 If these users believe that some kind of fraud is present - they have the right to go to court with facts or to the appropriate authorities. But they have no right to slander.

Therefore, no one exposed me. And no one has the right to impose moral damage on me verbal and over my copyright property.

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February 07, 2019, 05:30:23 PM
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Your problem isn't about copyright, but about privacy and doxing.

Agreed. Isn’t that a bannable offense as well? Seems like mods are asleep at the wheel when it comes to users posting alleged images of other users in an attempt to dox.

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What you need is "Right to be Forgotten" to make sure your images/information is removed from this forum. I doubt plagiarism as reason gonna change moderator mind.

The real problems are such right only recognized on EU and few others country & this forum don't bother with it (GDPR, AEPD, etc.)

P.S. i don't know OP history at all

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Referring to an excerpt from the rules of the forum.

My personal data and personal photos are published in the forbidden section. Who can say that this is not a violation?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4841968.msg49615655#msg49615655




p/s  Some messages were deleted in the section with its own moderation, so I can not provide more facts.



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 - That's not plagiarism.
 - If there is dox outside of the investigations section, report it with that as the reason.
 - If someone is threatening violence against you, report it with that as the reason.
 - If you have a copyright claim, you have to PM/email me a valid DCMA takedown notice with all required elements, including your address, a declaration under penalty of perjury, etc. Note that I will forward your notice to the affected users.
 - The forum is not under EU jurisdiction.

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Any scam accusation that links the scam's shills to the scam team via photos is considered a dox?
What about all of the fake team photos constantly busted as lies proven by links to the actual photos with real names? Are all of those bannable doxes also?

He says here it is not even his name..

Be careful !! Fraudsters extortionists are engaged in trolling, making an attack on projects.
These are, presumably, the same scammers (Temhuk,Yurez83,Jedgar, etc.). Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
If the same events happen to you, let me know.


https://medium.com/@minecoinorg/minexcoin-resolutely-reacted-to-the-raging-crime-in-the-network-reward-20-btc-4a23e1ae2f34
For idiots trolls explain:

1. I created a channel under a false name today, especially for you fools.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

2. The card is not fictional, but real. The following batches are expected with a branded design.




Nope,the name is true. Wink  and the card with Minexpay logo is fictional !!!

Yurez83 busted himself  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



Of course, the idiot is all a real name, but not mine. And the name of the account on the forum present, from the Internet ...  





He posted under his real name himself and is now trying to get users banned for busting his scam.


Accidentally,rushing to post newest Minex fake news , Yurez 83 revealed his true identity in the video he posted :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qyhAzxwbI8&feature=youtu.be


His real name is: redacted


redact image





So in his haste to scam people with his referral link, he doxxed himself?

Oh my fucking god.

Yurez 83 is not the sharpest tool in the box is he?

He obviously took down the video once he realized he fucked up.

Oh man, this is hilarious.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss




If this thread contains a dox should it not just be moved to the investigations board?
Is every post that mentions the name Leroy Fodor or Paul Vernon/Bao Luo a dox too?

I would really hate to see anything bad happen to thunderjet over this.. He is a very trustworthy, helpful, and positive user in my opinion. He is the one to first identify the Cryptsy stolen coins wallets before we even knew they were stolen and iirc may have been the one to bring some of the blockchain information to freeze coins that vern was trying to dump on exchanges saving a lot of coin that eventually ended up in the receivership to compensate the scam victims..
A true legend.
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February 07, 2019, 08:31:24 PM
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illegal [...] defend my rights through the courts [...] I will sue the forum
Minex shill talks about illegal things and want to sue someone. Maybe court will be interested to hear how minex shill tried to lure people into this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.0

If this thread contains a dox should it not just be moved to the investigations board?
I believe this is best explanation https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4875873.msg43910598#msg43910598

Sometimes forum members unintentionally break forum rules. I don't think they should be banned for doing good to community, especially not when some scam shill shared his personal information on forum.

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Last edit: February 07, 2019, 11:07:03 PM by xtraelv
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Technically photos are not in breach of copyright on bitcointalk. The images are hosted on an external server not in control of this website. If there is a breach of copyright it is with the image host and the person who posted it. Bitcointalk only links to the image. In most jurisdictions linking to an image does not result in breach of copyright.


He is actually right, it doesn't matter if it's hosted on an external site or not, if you are the owner of the forum you can be sued for copyright infringement if someone posts a copyrighted picture. Of course it matters a lot where the server is located.

Not if the link is to an origional post. It is like posting a URL.

The presence of the image is only virtual.  The image file is not on the bitcointalk server - only a link to the image.

Removal of the image from the linked site will result in the url displaying

Such site can also block external access to the image.


In the country where I live it is not considered infringement. It is also not disallowed by the bitcointalk rules.

...and that is not even getting into the "fair use" argument or the fact that most, if not all of the images that were linked to are in public domain with no distinguishable ownership.

A lot of the memes are generated on meme makers using royalty free stock photos.

Crazy countries can make crazy laws. But since I don't live in them or plan to visit they have no jurisdiction over me.  If those countries attempt to enforce those crazy laws outside of their own country it may well be breaching the constitutional laws of the country that I live in.

In the majority of civilized countries - linking and framing is not considered copyright infringement.

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In large part, linking and framing are not held to be copyright infringement under US and German copyright law, even though the underlying Web pages are protected under copyright law. Because the copyright-protected content is stored on a server other than that of the linking or framing person (it is stored on the plaintiff's server), there is typically no infringing "copy" made by the defendant linking or framing person (as may be essential), on which to base liability. Some European countries take a more protective view, however, and hold unauthorized framing and so-called deep linking unlawful.

The European Court of Justice's binding ruling in 2014 was that embedding a work could not be a violation of copyright:

The embedding in a website of a protected work which is publicly accessible on another website by means of a link using the framing technology … does not by itself constitute communication to the public within the meaning of [the EU Copyright directive] to the extent that the relevant work is neither communicated to a new public nor by using a specific technical means different from that used for the original communication
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_hyperlinking_and_framing

As long as Bitcointalk follows the DCMA guidelines they have nothing to worry about.

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February 08, 2019, 05:47:17 AM
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Any scam accusation that links the scam's shills to the scam team via photos is considered a dox?
What about all of the fake team photos constantly busted as lies proven by links to the actual photos with real names? Are all of those bannable doxes also?

He says here it is not even his name..


illegal [...] defend my rights through the courts [...] I will sue the forum
Minex shill talks about illegal things and want to sue someone. Maybe court will be interested to hear how minex shill tried to lure people into this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.0

If this thread contains a dox should it not just be moved to the investigations board?
I believe this is best explanation https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4875873.msg43910598#msg43910598

Sometimes forum members unintentionally break forum rules. I don't think they should be banned for doing good to community, especially not when some scam shill shared his personal information on forum.


What kind of illegal things?

1. The investigation has the right to conduct only the police, and not some kind of user.
2. Only the court has the right to establish the legality or lawlessness of some facts.
3. The fact that the user once did a favor and then slandered other people 100 times is useful?
4. The user has the right to only assume, suspect, have an opinion or an inclination (like - do not like the project).

 How to deal with the fact that the user group in collusion begins a trolling attack on the project (user) with a distortion of truth in order to harm the reputation of the project (user)?
 Are you sure of their intentions?


Technically photos are not in breach of copyright on bitcointalk. The images are hosted on an external server not in control of this website. If there is a breach of copyright it is with the image host and the person who posted it. Bitcointalk only links to the image. In most jurisdictions linking to an image does not result in breach of copyright.


He is actually right, it doesn't matter if it's hosted on an external site or not, if you are the owner of the forum you can be sued for copyright infringement if someone posts a copyrighted picture. Of course it matters a lot where the server is located.

Not if the link is to an origional post. It is like posting a URL.

The presence of the image is only virtual.  The image file is not on the bitcointalk server - only a link to the image.

Removal of the image from the linked site will result in the url displaying

Such site can also block external access to the image.


In the country where I live it is not considered infringement. It is also not disallowed by the bitcointalk rules.

...and that is not even getting into the "fair use" argument or the fact that most, if not all of the images that were linked to are in public domain with no distinguishable ownership.

A lot of the memes are generated on meme makers using royalty free stock photos.

Crazy countries can make crazy laws. But since I don't live in them or plan to visit they have no jurisdiction over me.  If those countries attempt to enforce those crazy laws outside of their own country it may well be breaching the constitutional laws of the country that I live in.

In the majority of civilized countries - linking and framing is not considered copyright infringement.

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In large part, linking and framing are not held to be copyright infringement under US and German copyright law, even though the underlying Web pages are protected under copyright law. Because the copyright-protected content is stored on a server other than that of the linking or framing person (it is stored on the plaintiff's server), there is typically no infringing "copy" made by the defendant linking or framing person (as may be essential), on which to base liability. Some European countries take a more protective view, however, and hold unauthorized framing and so-called deep linking unlawful.

The European Court of Justice's binding ruling in 2014 was that embedding a work could not be a violation of copyright:

The embedding in a website of a protected work which is publicly accessible on another website by means of a link using the framing technology … does not by itself constitute communication to the public within the meaning of [the EU Copyright directive] to the extent that the relevant work is neither communicated to a new public nor by using a specific technical means different from that used for the original communication
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_hyperlinking_and_framing

As long as Bitcointalk follows the DCMA guidelines they have nothing to worry about.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088832.msg48927165#msg48927165


Thank you for information. I know what you're talking about, but there are several points:
- Links must go to the source of information, where the author's information was posted.
- It is not allowed to distort, edit the integrity of information, without the consent of the author, especially with the aim of humiliating, causing moral damage, etc.

 This is similar to how I will take someone's author's song, vozmu change words, where I will insult the author of the song and will spread on the Internet - by making a link to it on some of the servers on the Internet.

 Therefore, users who distribute my photos without my knowledge have such status as thieves. They stole it and now use it in their messages, edit it, etc.

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February 08, 2019, 07:24:20 AM
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- That's not plagiarism.
 - If there is dox outside of the investigations section, report it with that as the reason.
 - If someone is threatening violence against you, report it with that as the reason.
 - If you have a copyright claim, you have to PM/email me a valid DCMA takedown notice with all required elements, including your address, a declaration under penalty of perjury, etc. Note that I will forward your notice to the affected users.
 - The forum is not under EU jurisdiction.

Thanks for the answer. I understood your position and forum.
I need to talk to a lawyer to label my own.

As a regular user of the forum, I will allow you to give you advice. Define on the forum the exact rules regarding the dissemination of false information and charges. And also indicate that no investigations are legally binding, as they are not conducted by authorized services, but in turn, these “false accusations” can be prosecuted. So that users who spread lies were warned about liability. The same applies to the use of personal information and copyright materials.

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February 08, 2019, 08:01:18 AM
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Therefore, users who distribute my photos without my knowledge have such status as thieves. They stole it and now use it in their messages, edit it, etc.

Funny reply, so what about those using trump's image without his knowledge all over the internet?. If you want people to stop using your photos on the internet without your permission then you need to stop posting them on the web and better still avoid using the web. Like previous users have said, i don't see any of the claims above as plagiarism, when you commit plagiarism you steal people's work and claim it as yours and fair use of your picture isn't plagiarism period.

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What kind of illegal things?
Who mentioned illegal usage of photos, you or me?
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The last straw was the publication of insults and trolling with the illegal usage of my photos in other topics that were not even in the "scam" section.

2. Only the court has the right to establish the legality or lawlessness of some facts.
Is this court of law? Or discussion forum?

3. The fact that the user once did a favor and then slandered other people 100 times is useful?
Isn't the fact that user posted facts?

4. The user has the right to only assume, suspect, have an opinion or an inclination (like - do not like the project).
Can we say that user, based on facts presented in thread, have right to assume and suspect that minex is scam and discuss about it?

And also indicate that no investigations are legally binding, as they are not conducted by authorized services, but in turn, these “false accusations” can be prosecuted.
Ever heard of news reporters?

1. I created a channel under a false name today, especially for you fools.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Now you are complaining that someone is using your picture and personal information.

As you said this isn't your name, and now you are pretending to be a guy which you claim you are not, luring people to register under your referral link for your own financial gains, isn't that called identity theft?

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Identity theft is the deliberate use of someone else's identity, usually as a method to gain a financial advantage or obtain credit and other benefits in the other person's name, and perhaps to the other person's disadvantage or loss. The person whose identity has been assumed may suffer adverse consequences, especially if they are held responsible for the perpetrator's actions. Identity theft occurs when someone uses another's personally identifying information, like their name, identifying number, or credit card number, without their permission, to commit fraud or other crimes.
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In case identity is really yours (which you claim it isn't), there are also other laws for this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg49587152#msg49587152 so make sure to read all laws regarding your...referral link.

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