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February 09, 2019, 10:06:57 AM
Last edit: February 23, 2019, 11:02:51 AM by Trofo
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My idea is to try out a few different strategies to see how well they work out. Please note that this will be high risk strategies, I am actually expecting poor results from this experiment so if somebody decides to follow, do it only for minimum stakes (beer money). I am a firm believer in theory that only way to be in the green with gambling is to treat it as investment. Meaning you have to have a bank and never bet more than 2% of that bank. My ideal bank would be around 2 BTC. Since I don't have that kind of money lying around available for gambling I will use payment from signature campaign every week to try out some high risk strategies and hopefully some of them will result with big winnings  Grin

Every week will be new betting system and new bank of 0.006 BTC. I usually have best results in Champions League and Master 1000 ATP tennis so I am expecting better results when games from that competitions are available.



Week 1 ---- Starting bank: 0.006 BTC ---- Ending bank: = 0.00

This week I will try following system. I will play every ticket with 50% of the bank and all odds will be between 2 and 3.


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Week 2 ---- Starting bank: 0.006 BTC ---- Ending bank: = 0.00

This week I will play only single games with odds of at least 1.5. I will start with wagering 50% of the bank on every tip. If it goes well I will probably start putting 33% or 25%.

This week ended badly after few days of mixed results. You can find all the info in the post trought this topic. I tried editing this post while on mobile and made real mess of the table. Don't feel like trying to recreate it since the week ended with 0 bank anyway.




Week 3 ---- Starting bank: 0.006 BTC ---- Ending bank: ?

This week I will try betting without restrictions. Based entirely on feeling. If I like one game it will be single. If I like more games, maybe I will play accumulator with 4 games. We'll see. I will probably bet whole bank on day one and if successful half of bank on later days.


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February 09, 2019, 11:03:01 AM
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Following this thread , let's see how this goes .

I bet on tennis matches too , not necessarily ATP 1000 but all tournaments . Will suggest you some matches if they are worth betting , anyway good luck with your betting.



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February 09, 2019, 11:15:48 AM
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Following this thread , let's see how this goes .

I bet on tennis matches too , not necessarily ATP 1000 but all tournaments . Will suggest you some matches if they are worth betting , anyway good luck with your betting.

I am also betting on all tennis matches from respectable tournaments, ATP 250+. I just said that I have best win ratio for ATP 1000 tournaments. I think it is because it is big stage and there is less corruption/fixed matches. Grand Slams are trowing my handicaps because they are best of 5 sets and players aren't so concentrated throughout whole match. They decide sometimes to let one set go and that is ruining my bets.


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February 09, 2019, 12:07:16 PM
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Good luck Trofo
I’m following this thread hoping that yor bank will grow and grow  Wink

If you don't believe it or don't get it, I don't have the time to try to convince you, sorry.
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February 09, 2019, 12:31:18 PM
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Let's see how would this go, It's been a while since I saw some kind of this thread It's fun to follow this kind of thread and see what happens. If things go well I may follow you on your track lol, anyways Good luck!  Wink

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February 09, 2019, 01:34:55 PM
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Yes I'll be following this thread to see how you go - best of luck!

IMO this is a good starting attitude
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I am a firm believer in theory that only way to be in the green with gambling is to treat it as investment
you are using your head and not planning on getting too emotional.

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Every week will be new betting system.
This is different,
if for example you are successful with a betting system it would be
normal to continue, like the saying "Dont fix what isnt broken"

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Man Utd is playing really well after change of coach and Fulham is rather prone to conceding cheap goals
I dont follow soccer, I find it unbelievably frustrating bordering on
boring [sorry] but I agree with your analysis, Solskjaer has had a
fantastic start at the helm, He was a solid player in his day for Utd!

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February 09, 2019, 01:52:22 PM
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Every week will be new betting system.
This is different,
if for example you are successful with a betting system it would be
normal to continue, like the saying "Dont fix what isnt broken"

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in OP. I will be trying out few different high risk systems which I am 100% sure would not be profitable in the long run. I just hope to make them work on a weakly basis with small investment and potential high gains. As I said I believe in the long run you can only be profitable by betting small amount of a big bank.

This is more like test for me and to get in the mood for serious (high stakes) betting later on when Tennis season is in full swing and I have about 1 BTC for bank. I should be able to invest that much of my own money in about 2 months but would prefer if I manage to get at least part of it by multiplying signature campaign money.

I often do test like that in excel table. That is how I know my strongest tips come from CL and ATP 1000 tennis. On them I have about 70% correct pics while on Soccer generally I have about 45% which is barley profitable. I decided to do it in this way this time to get input from other users. I would welcome ideas for betting strategy but let's keep it high risk/high gain in this first phase.

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February 09, 2019, 02:22:13 PM
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This week I will try following system. I will play every ticket with 50% of the bank and all odds will be between 2 and 3.

My opinion is that such strategy will not work, and you know two reasons which lie behind it. First is too small bank, and second is playing 50% of bank on ticket which means that you have only two chances under the assumption that you lose both times. But if you only want to try few different strategies and have fun along the way, why not try Wink

As I said I believe in the long run you can only be profitable by betting small amount of a big bank.

This is something which I can confirm from personal experience, bigger bank+less events on ticket (max 3) and max 10% of bank on each ticket. Such an approach requires great self-control, with extensive analysis of all games. Also playing both to score, team score, team score in first half or something similar is reducing the risk, chance is 50/50 for win/lost.

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February 09, 2019, 05:02:50 PM
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I did bookmarked this big_daddy’s thread when he did strategic run from couple of weeks ago

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103165.msg49655630#new

And now having yours is another interesting occasion to watch,have been looking for this kind of thread for my own knowledge as i am planing to do same experience like this

Good Luck mate.

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February 09, 2019, 06:10:10 PM
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I also wish good luck to you and i hope you in fact manage to win something.

Are you going to do it only trying to predict results? No spin wheels or poker?
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February 09, 2019, 06:18:00 PM
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I just play on very small odds ,2-3 pairs per day and I love my strategy it work really often and I will use it always I am finnaly happy with my bet strategy Wink
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February 09, 2019, 06:46:34 PM
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This is interesting. I remember Joca starting something similar and it was exciting. You do need to mention how much bankroll you're starting with and what's your end goal is. Watching this thread regardless.
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February 09, 2019, 07:43:31 PM
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Maybe I wasn't clear enough in OP. I will be trying out few different high risk systems which I am 100% sure would not be profitable in the long run. I just hope to make them work on a weakly basis with small investment and potential high gains. As I said I believe in the long run you can only be profitable by betting small amount of a big bank.
That sounds reasonable. Spending 20 dollars weekly is perhaps not a significant amount of money for the sake of the experiment. It's good that you don't hope to find a perfect strategy for long-term profits. And short-term you can indeed win by chance. At the same time, though, since we are talking about sports betting, not some dice or roulette, isn't it actually possible to become a professional and win most of the time? I thought sports bets were skill-based, because your knowledge of the game and its players seems to be useful to bring you closer to winning.

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February 09, 2019, 07:47:37 PM
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For those that has been following this thread please can you explain how far op has gone.  Was his betting plan successful?  I believe that some strategies work especially forex and cryptocurrencies betting as this is purely market analysis.
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February 09, 2019, 09:50:40 PM
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Week 1 ---- Starting bank: 0.006 BTC ---- Current bank

This week I will try following system. I will play every ticket with 50% of the bank and all odds will be between 2 and 3.

Ticket 1 - Odds: 2.5375
Man UTD to win @1,75
Dortmung-Hoffenheim - Both to score @1.45

So far so good. Both tips passed very easy today. It was a bet of 0.003 BTC (50% of the bank). After first day winnings the bank is now on 0.0106125 BTC. I will update the OP later today as well. I will also probably delete this first day bets from the OP after the week ends. I should have posted in the separate posts.



At the same time, though, since we are talking about sports betting, not some dice or roulette, isn't it actually possible to become a professional and win most of the time? I thought sports bets were skill-based, because your knowledge of the game and its players seems to be useful to bring you closer to winning.

Sport bets are skill based but there is many factors you still don't have influence over. Let's just talk about football (soccer), how many times have you watched a game where favorite played much better and missed a lot of chances and then opposition scores a fluke and takes all the points? There is no way to take that sort of thing into analyses. The other thing is odds. The game is rigged in a way to make you take wrong bets. Only thing we can do is bet smartly and try to take some money back from them. That requires huge self control and cool head.


You do need to mention how much bankroll you're starting with and what's your end goal is. Watching this thread regardless.
Bankroll is clearly mentioned, 0.006 BTC on weekly basis. Maybe I change that if I get exceptionally good run. My end goal is test some strategies while not loosing much money and have some fun. As I said this kind of betting is not professional and I don't believe in it for a long run. In fact I am fully expecting to lose money but gain some more insight in my own abilities as tipster and hopefully add another layer of self control. I consider both of those as essential when i start playing for higher stakes (bank of at least 1 BTC and hopefully 2). There has been few years since i gambled with that much of money and I wanted another reality check before committing to it.

In the past I always managed to end years with modest profit but I had to stop when our country added 10% taxes on all winnings (on top of 5% they take out from every stake). That ate up all the profits. It is impossible to bet with large amounts if somebody is taking 15% from you. Now I have another chance with BTC betting sites.


My opinion is that such strategy will not work, and you know two reasons which lie behind it. First is too small bank, and second is playing 50% of bank on ticket which means that you have only two chances under the assumption that you lose both times.
Actually you can look at it in different way. if you are betting 50% of the bank and adjusting bank after every day (which i plan on doing) you can never run out of the money. If you are constantly loosing you just have smaller and smaller stakes. But if that happens I will stop it and bet whole bank when amount gets too small.

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February 09, 2019, 09:56:52 PM
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Dont you think that gambling with all your Signature Campaign money is too much? It kind of sound like addiction to me lol.
In my opinion, it would've been better to concentrate on one game to increase you chances of winning and also help in your betting experience.
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February 10, 2019, 10:14:16 AM
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Day 2 - Week 1 bets

For today I decided to play following:

Sampdoria to win @ 1.5
FC Thun - Y.B.Bern both to score & over 2.5
Total odds: 2.626 | Stake 0.0056125 (little over 50% but wanted to eliminate extra decimals)

Sampdoria should have easy day at the office today against Frosinone. I am expecting this to pass with handicap and Quadriella (or how it is spelled) to score at least one goal.

Both Thun and Y.B.Bern like to play offensive football and I am expecting very high scoring game here. Maybe something like Dortmund yesterday.

I also wanted to include Milan to win in today's ticket. This game has same odds like Sampdoria one and I was deciding a long time which one to take. Hopefully made a good choice. In the end I picked Sampdoria because it is played earlier and closer to the time of my other pick. I like to group the games in this way when possible.


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February 10, 2019, 11:04:56 AM
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Dont you think that gambling with all your Signature Campaign money is too much? It kind of sound like addiction to me lol.
In my opinion, it would've been better to concentrate on one game to increase you chances of winning and also help in your betting experience.
Its none of our business if he would use up his signature campaign earnings since its his money after all.  Smiley

Day 2 - Week 1 bets
Sampdoria to win @ 1.5
FC Thun - Y.B.Bern both to score & over 2.5
 
Nice analysis! I might follow or tailed these bets if this one bet succeeds.

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@ big_daddy
Sorry man I blatantly stole table from first post in your thread. Had very little time and I liked the way it looked. Hope you don't mind  Grin If you do mind let me know and I will remove it and make something myself.

You stole nothing  Smiley
I'm happy that you liked the design

If you don't believe it or don't get it, I don't have the time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Week 1 - Day 3

I don't like the offer today but since this is mostly for testing purposes I will play the ticket anyway. I couldn't find any game I feel really good today so decided to play a bit higher odds with a little smaller stake. I choose them to keep the spirit of self imposed rules as much as possible.

Wawrinka - Paire over 23,5 @ 1.85
Both players don't have a constant (prone to mental breakdowns) and I see this as a match in 3 sets. Their h2h has a lot of matches in 3 sets and hopefully we will see another one today.

Wolves to win @ 1,90
Wolves are performing great this season and Newcastle is quite poor when traveling. Should be a win for home side

Total Stake: 0.002 | Total Odds: 3.515  

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