★ Keep your role on default trust (DT) selection ★

[Battareus]

I would like to give you merit but already run out but this is probably one of the best thread I've read so far about the trust system, it's very comprehensive I will study its structure and vote right people be a DT1, people should be educated to only vote for the best person, we need this to fight scammers in Bitcointalk.

We should vote the right people for this kind of role because if we vote the wrong person then that person might abuse his/her role as one of the DT member which is not a good thing for the forum. Voting the right person to become a DT member is like doing your best for the forum.

A person you think about is not always is hidden behind the nickname, because of ability to sell accounts. I know that someone with a high trust rating is not interested in selling, but there are situations in life when you urgently need money and you have to sell everything that you can. So, you can somehow stumble upon a person whom you trusted before that's can be an another man.

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[TalkStar]

Bumping this topic for newbies. Read this thread properly to learn how you can keep your role on default trust (DT) selection.

[DdmrDdmr]

Bumping this topic for newbies. <...>

Rather than Newbies, shouldn’t the aim of the topic be for those that do not use a Custom Trust List instead (and are beyond Newbies by a mile)?

I mean Newbies (amongst others) are those that are precisely benefited by the existence of DT, which gives them a default starting point to view trust related to accounts. They probably will not have a saying in DT voting for some time, and should likely not set a Custom Trust List yet, at least until they suss out how it works, knowingly changing it once they are ready to replace the DT Trust views for that of their own Custom Trust List.

[rosezionjohn]

Rather than Newbies, shouldn’t the aim of the topic be for those that do not use a Custom Trust List instead (and are beyond Newbies by a mile)?

Users like me needs to learn how to use the DT voting system I guess. Newbies cannot use it yet but there's no harm in TalkStar's purpose in educating them about the system. At least they already have a better understanding once they are eligible to vote. 

I just created mine a few minutes ago and I was wondering what's the purpose of having the "Default Trust" in our list? Is it really necessary?

[DdmrDdmr]

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No harm obviously. The purpose of my post is to underline that, informative as it may be, the main beneficiaries of the content in the OP are not really Newbies, but rather accounts that have been around for a bit and have potential interest in the DT inners and Custom Lists.

The idea of keeping the "DefaultTrust" entry on your Custom Trust List, is that you can expand upon it, keeping DT view on scores and rating lists, but adding other profile members you trust (thus potentially varying the resulting view to some degree). I personally do not have that entry in my list, but I do have some DT members.

Take into account that as soon as you create your own Custom Trust List things change: Trust scores may vary, and the feedback will likely shift from trusted to untrusted, or vice-versa. It’s often handy to postfix the URL with ";DT" (as shown in my post above) to get a DT view, enabling you to get a reading of the DT view as opposed to your Custom Trust List view.

[Porfirii]

Bumping this topic for newbies.

I have just found this topic for the first time through this post.

So bumping here for newbies and not so newbies

[TalkStar]

Bumping this topic for newbies.

I have just found this topic for the first time through this post.

So bumping here for newbies and not so newbies

Thanks for the bump.

Newbies should know properly what can be their role on default trust (DT) selection and hopefully they will get all necessary information from here.

[nakamura12]

Thanks for the bump.

Newbies should know properly what can be their role on default trust (DT) selection and hopefully they will get all necessary information from here.

I have read somewhere where a user sent a negative feedback or trust to a user just because he/she posted in another local board. There's nothing wrong posting in another right?. In my opinion, it is okay to post in another local board even though it is not your local board just as I have noticed some reputable forum member posted in our local board. I agree that newbies and other forum members should properly who they want to assign the role of being dt member.

[Porfirii]

I have read somewhere where a user sent a negative feedback or trust to a user just because he/she posted in another local board. There's nothing wrong posting in another right?. In my opinion, it is okay to post in another local board even though it is not your local board just as I have noticed some reputable forum member posted in our local board. I agree that newbies and other forum members should properly who they want to assign the role of being dt member.

I guess that it depends on what the rules are in each local board, but especially who you meet there. In the board I know best (Spanish) it is forbidden to post in English, and the abuse of google translate isn't a good idea neither. Anyway, I think we are quite flexible there and exceptions are permitted.

But it is true that I have posted a few times in foreign local boards myself (German, Russian...) to thank them for mentioning me in some other post or to add something to a certain topic I was interested in, and a few users raised this question -should he be banned?-. I'm afraid that still many people have the black or white kind of mentality that can get you in trouble when you least expect it, either reporting you or giving you bad trust.

The abuse, of course, should be punished; for example, writing a thread and posting it in 10 boards using google translate in order to gain activity/merits or to fulfil the signature campaign quota. So, I think that the clue is the proportionality of the punishment, which seems that not everybody understand.

[DdmrDdmr]

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If the facts are that the account simply posted in a given local board, presumably without a proper command of the language, then the negative trust is unwarranted. Unless the trust feedback is commerce related in nature (and here scams have a fitting), it should not be handed out.

If the account is simply posting content that is irritating to the eye due to the language expression being poor (or something along those lines), it can be reported for something like "low value content due to it being incomprehensible", but on its own, it does not call for a negative rating, however unpleasant the reading should turn out to be.

[nakamura12]

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That's what I was thinking. If they read the post in poor grammar or of low quality then it should be reported and wait to be deleted instead of sendin a negative trust or feedback to the user like fake polish or whatever local board a forum user posted. I may not be multi lingual but I skimmed some local boards like Russia, Italian and other boards and translate it to English then that's how I found a forum user posting in Italian local board but I haven't been able to translate it but my guess is that he/she is not an Italian according to the feedback where that forum member used a translator that is not accurate. What if that forum member is a DT and the sent feedback will make his/her account - 1 trust score?. Wouldn't be that an abuse of power?.

[DdmrDdmr]

<…> What if that forum member is a DT and the sent feedback will make his/her account - 1 trust score?. Wouldn't be that an abuse of power?.

Given the context of the hypothesis at hand (that the issue is only language related), it’s a misuse if the system, as it is not commerce related. It would be so from any forum member, but as we know, DT is the view seen by over 99% of forum members, and thus DT ratings do have more impact than non-DT ratings. Since DT-ratings do have that bit of additional significance to them, they kind of call for a more pondered feedback rating. This is kind of a conceptual reference: theymos could you sticky your intent on the reputation board.

[TalkStar]

Bumping this topic for newbies.

[Falconer]

Bumping this topic for newbies.

I'm sure the point of this thread won't just be telling newbies why they should get involved in voting for DT member elections. I'm pretty sure there are thousands of forum members who don't care about this system because they are not used to working with the system introduced in the forum. I can probably say that over 70% of bounty participants don't really care about this system and they probably don't have a single name they trust. Well, it doesn't really matter but actually this system also has something useful to have in this forum.

Even though I don't have anyone on my trust list right now, that doesn't mean I don't trust anyone here. I just cared less about this system before (same as thousands of people I mentioned) but now I have a few names that deserve to be on my special trust list, this will help because I think I also have the right to use my voice.