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February 19, 2019, 05:14:20 PM
Last edit: April 25, 2019, 05:00:33 PM by DdmrDdmr
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Edit: Updated data as of 19/04/2019.

I've update the OP, keeping a log of the changes:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190425164354/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5111933.0


I thought it would be interesting to share some information related to how sMerit is distributed in the Beginners & Help board. It’s something I’ve done for other boards, and most of my findings I’ve either posted them on Meta or on my local board. Since Beginners & Help is a cornerstone in building this community, it seems fit to contextualize a relevant feature such as sMerit to this board.


The above shows the number of sMerits distributed here per month (months are expressed in my locale, but is should be pretty easy to understand regardless).
January 2019 was almost an all time high for sMerit distribution on this board, with 848 awarded sMerits. April’s data is partial, with a reading of 673 sMerits up to last 19/04/2019, so it looks pretty good so far, and will likely surpass March 2019 (822 sMerits). The surge is likely related to Merit Source quota reallocation that took place at the beginning of January 2019, and a couple of heavyweight Merit Sources being rather active here now.

Merits have never been easier to earn on the Beginners & Help board, with nearly double amount of what was awarded during most months in 2018, and the fact that there are many less people active on the forum in general.


Delimiting data now to just 2019, the image above shows us that 71,20% of sMerit awarding in the Beginners & Help board is done in transactions of 1 sMerit, and an additional 14,13% in transactions involving 2 sMerits.
In addition, 60% of the posts that do get merited are so by a single awarding transaction (1 person). An additional 18,38% of merited posts in the Beginners & Help are merited by 2 transactions (normally 2 people), and 8,11% of merited posts are merited by 3 transactions (normally 3 people).


The above image, also delimited to 2019, shows a few interesting facts:

-   Meriter User Ranking show which forum members have awarded most sMerits on this board lately.
-   Merited User Ranking show which forum members have received most sMerits on this board recently (note that quite a few of the names correspond to mid to high level ranks which participate actively on the board).
-   Top Merited Thread Ranking shows the threads that have received most sMerit (aggregate of sMerit on all component posts). It shows the number of sMerits received by the posts in the thread (Merit column), the number of distinct people that have sent sMerit to that thread (nFromUsers column) and the number of distinct people that have received sMerit in the thread (nToUsers column).

All in all, the above should be helpful in understanding a bit more how the Merit System applies on the Beginners & Help board.

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February 19, 2019, 07:07:00 PM
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Nice analysis ddmr.
Beginners and help board is one of my favorites.

It's a board where even not bitcoin directly related topics are welcome, and everyone is free to post or ask different kinds of informations.

Certainly a place where new users can learn.

Merits have never been easier to earn on the Beginners & Help board, with nearly double amount of what was awarded during most months in 2018, and the fact that there are many less people active on the forum in general.

I really noticed this too. We have less topics  and more circulating merits.

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February 19, 2019, 09:48:49 PM
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As usual: great analysis.

I agree with bitmover, I like the Beginners and Help board very much, too. Over the last few months the quality increased a lot and that's a good thing for everyone who's searching for answers to his questions or to discover more interesting information about crypto.
Some Newbies may just come here and ask a single question in Beginners and Help but when they see there is some more interesting information around and other users willing to help them and share knowledge, the Newbies will possibly not ask only one question, they will stay here and visit the forum more frequently. Maybe they'll become a valuable Member of Bitcointalk.

And I'm sure it's also helping Bitcoin itself to have an open community to welcome Newbies. They will start researching more things and understand the advantages to have a strong Bitcoin and recommend BTC to other people. Something like that we can boost the number of people owning it what makes Bitcoin more decentralized.

Finally, the overall impression and reputation of Bitcointalk in the crypto space can be improved. If Bitcointalk has besides its historical posts of the early days a source of knowledge (especially for Newbies) it will be a place visited quite frequently.

And rewarding Merit for quality posts in Beginners and Help is always something beneficial to ensure a constant (or increasing) incoming of quality content here.

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February 19, 2019, 11:37:59 PM
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If I understood clearing from the meriter and merited ranking statistics it means I have received 51merit lately from board and sent 34 smerits right? If that's correct that means I'm even doing much better then I taught in times of sending smerits.

I enjoy posting and reading topics on this board that's why it's one of my most active boards. I feel the users mostly using this board are those in seek of knowledge or helping others out. The board is so innocent and haven't yet been corrupt.

Thanks DdmrDdmr for such a great analysis at least we're doing a great job on the board, hope it remains like this for a very long time.

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February 20, 2019, 01:38:46 AM
Last edit: February 20, 2019, 04:56:10 AM by cabalism13
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The sleeping pussy(cat) is now awake, this will give LoyceV some chills Tongue after leaving you behind for a quite while it nice to see you again here, and also Loyce is (I think) waiting for you to be active again Smiley

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February 20, 2019, 09:39:10 AM
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@bitmover, @1miau:
Yes, I think this is rather a fundamental board to help the forum grow, at least in terms of people who really want to get involved in crypto and not just bounties. People posting on this board are often treaded in a gentler manner than on other boards, which should be a treat.

@CryptopreneurBrainboss: Your interpretation is correct. You can see your personal stats with a broader view on the Merit Dashboard. Simply go to the first tab (Personal Summary), replace 'Theymos' for 'CryptopreneurBrainboss', press enter, and your good to go (impressive January stats you’ve got there by the way).

@Cabalism13: Can’t really be on a perpetual race, which is pretty pointless above the 1K in my case, and time consuming (which I now lack more than before)…

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February 20, 2019, 10:04:17 AM
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As Jet Cash, I do try to help posters on the beginners board, as I agree that it is an important place for new members to learn about Bitcoin, and to slide into the Bitcoin Talk community. It does look as if I'm not contributing enough through posting. Entering into discussions with new members is possibly even more important that the awarding of merits in my opinion. I'm a bit ambivalent about all the stats related to board activity, but this one does seem to be useful in encouraging members to support newer members.

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February 20, 2019, 10:56:56 AM
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New members should be encouraged to stay more often in the beginners and help board as it will help them grow their knowledge of the forum,about bitcoin and alts etc,almost every discussion is allowed in here,even introductory messages.
I also appreciate senior members,most especially jetcash and ddmr ddmr who frequent this board and are always trying in one way or the other to encourage and help newbies either through posts, replies and merits.
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April 25, 2019, 05:04:13 PM
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I’ve updated the OP to reflect the most recent data, after letting a couple of months go by. The Beginners and Help board is still looking healthier in terms of sMerit than during 2018, and the visits to this board from heavyweight Merit Sources is one of the key factors in this improvement of the B&H stats.

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Thanks for the update and great analysis as usual, hope this isn't too much to ask but can you update a ratio between merited topic and replies. Just want to get an ideal of how many merits have been awarded to topics and replies. I appreciate the fact more merit sources are visiting the board off recent but I think they're concentrating too much on topics resulting to member creating similar topic already been discussed just to attract the merit. e.g "just on safe guiding your email" , a little surf through the pages on the board and you will find multiple thread saying or almost saying the say thing. Maybe if the meriters give more attentions to reply it won't create desperation as we're experiencing and will increase more quality discussion not just topics.

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April 25, 2019, 07:37:22 PM
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One big request I have for the OP is pls can you lecture me in how you do all this great analysis
I have really been a big admire of the distribution summary including those posted on meta and it has really simplified the very complicated smerit distributions

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April 25, 2019, 11:21:34 PM
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This guy here is statitically inclined I do not know where did he get this knowledge from but I bet the expertise he/she shared is related to the job he has now. If he/she is being employed for possibly he/she could be an employer too.

I admire the efforts on presenting data and analyzing facts regarding with merits. However, I am.not fan now on reading merits analysis. I have been already admitted to myself that earning merits is difficult to.achieve especially if you have no friends here and you are not being friendly. LOL!




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April 26, 2019, 08:14:33 AM
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Thanks for the update and great analysis as usual, hope this isn't too much to ask but can you update a ratio between merited topic and replies. Just want to get an ideal of how many merits have been awarded to topics and replies.
I took a look at this nearly a year ago in one of the toughest analysis I’ve done here (basically due to not mastering the scrapper). Data is therefore old and may very well have varied. In Forum Merited Messages- Does size count?, section 4 states that 15% of OPs back then were merited (therefore 85% of merited posts were answers). Of course that is an overall view, and we do have massive threads like WO that get many merits on answers.

A general idea (not exact) of the current ratio can be retrieved by comparing merited posts that start with “re:” (answers) versus those that don’t (OPs). Deleted posts are excluded from this classification for obvious reasons.  Although I do have some issues on the scraper with post titles, the numbers bake-up to these roughly:
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Type      nTxs      nPosts    nMerits   %TXs      % Merits
OP        36261     17484     69414     21,18%    20,01%
Answer    134976    28509     277398    78,82%    79,99%
Total     171237    45993     346812    100,00%   100,00%
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Type      nTxs      nPosts    nMerits   %TXs      % Merits
OP        2131      1010      3477      43,44%    40,95%
Answer    2775      808       5014      56,56%    59,05%
Total     4906      1818      8491      100,00%   100,00%
The above gives us a general idea of what you were asking about.


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I appreciate the fact more merit sources are visiting the board off recent but I think they're concentrating too much on topics resulting to member creating similar topic already been discussed just to attract the merit. e.g "just on safe guiding your email" , a little surf through the pages on the board and you will find multiple thread saying or almost saying the say thing. Maybe if the meriters give more attentions to reply it won't create desperation as we're experiencing and will increase more quality discussion not just topics.
Yes, there are repetitive topics that strangely enough appear before the previous iteration has died down. Replies too are often rather repetitive, not just the topic itself. I try to look at all the thread, but I may not read all the replies if the thread is updated frequently (no time).

One big request I have for the OP is pls can you lecture me in how you do all this great analysis <…>
That really has to do with one’s background. The basic capabilities I would say that are implied are:
-   Having an analytical and detailed oriented mind.
-   Being decent at managing databases and exploring the data.
-   Massaging data into meaningful information and insights.
-   The statistical part is perhaps the least of all, since what I use is rather basic.
-   Dedicate time.

<…> I have been already admitted to myself that earning merits is difficult to.achieve especially if you have no friends here and you are not being friendly. LOL!
There’s a recent thread that may help here. It goes on about besties on the forum …. Who's your forum bestie? Make a guess and I'll prove you wrong. Probably.

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April 26, 2019, 10:02:54 AM
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A general idea (not exact) of the current ratio can be retrieved by comparing merited posts that start with “re:” (answers) versus those that don’t (OPs).

Thanks for this, so basically we can conclude more merits are allocated to replies than post on the board. But merely reading through replies I don't notice that huge number of merit or might be because those allocated to OP can be easily sighted. I taught the difference will be very huge but to my surprise, replies are dominating OPs. I believe this statistics is from the very start of the merit system. Do you think the result of recent statistics will be any different like stats of 2019.

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A general idea (not exact) of the current ratio can be retrieved by comparing merited posts that start with “re:” (answers) versus those that don’t (OPs).

Just a quick note - as you can see, I sometimes use the subject to refer to the post, and not to the complete thread. I believe that this may help with topic searches through the search engines.

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April 26, 2019, 10:23:56 AM
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<…> I believe this statistics is from the very start of the merit system. Do you think the result of recent statistics will be any different like stats of 2019.
Here they are, limited to 2019 (up until 19/04/2019):

Overall:
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Type      nTxs      nPosts    nMerits   %TXs      % Merits
OP        13545     5224      24739     33,64%    33,33%
Answer    26717     5479      49480     66,36%    66,67%
Total     40262     10703     74219     100,00%   100,00%
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Type      nTxs      nPosts    nMerits   %TXs      % Merits
OP        784       286       1382      45,98%    46,01%
Answer    921       238       1622      54,02%    53,99%
Total     1705      524       3004      100,00%   100,00%

There is a shift towards meriting OPs vs answers, which could mean that OP's are getting more elaborate overtime or Meriters finding it easier to Merit OPs than go through entire threads (or both/none of these hypothesis).

Merited OPs do stand-out more than the merited answers in general, so they do stick more to the eye. In addition, OPs hold the first post in the threads, and it’s one "against many" other posts on the thread. By that measure, the OP seems to win handsomely.


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Yes, such cases will quantify wrongly with my quick procedure to perform the comparison above. The ideal way would be to download the merited post position within the thread, and use this as a group separator. Since I’m not downloading it (did in the past, but had some issues), the above is a rough approximation, but not 100% accurate.

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