A Hope for the Progress of this Forum

[Monix Cahyono]

Sorry beforehand, not intending to be smart or patronizing, I just want to try to get out the ideas that have been in my mind all this time.
I am actually a new user in this forum, but I see this forum is very big and very influential for cryptocurrencies users. Therefore, I hope this forum can always be a link between actors in this world.
then I just want to ask a question that I think is very loose, so once again apologize if something is wrong with me.

Look, I really hope that Bitcointalk will be present in the form of a mobile application, not just a web, so it looks much better and interesting. Website applications are certainly the most affordable choice for your business compared to the development of mobile applications. What is needed is the initial cost of redesigning your website to be friendly to cellphones / smartphones, occasional maintenance costs, and future upgrades.

If feasibility in search engines is important from your strategy to develop a business and can be accessed from all devices, responsive websites are very important in increasing attractiveness. Mobile applications are in a closed environment and cannot be indexed by search engines.

A mobile application itself is designed for a unique experience which must be installed on your mobile device. Users must visit the Apple App Store, Play Store, or Blackberry App World to search for and download applications for certain operating systems. However, do not think design is responsive as an easy solution and solution for all problems.

Even though a responsive website optimizes your experience, it doesn't combine all smartphone features like the camera or GPS that the application can do. The mobile application will give users unique functions and speeds that cannot be done with responsive websites. In terms of technical, cost and time there are several things: Applications can provide a faster response.

there are many fraud cases that I really hope in the future also to implement a verification system like KYC. besides that I also really hope that this forum can improve its security from a multi account side. multi account is very detrimental. it might be possible to detect IP, MAC ADDRESS, or anything else that only makes one person only have one account.

according to my opinion, apologize if there are false words. I hope this forum will always be more prosperous.

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Even though a responsive website optimizes your experience, it doesn't combine all smartphone features like the camera or GPS that the application can do. The mobile application will give users unique functions and speeds that cannot be done with responsive websites. In terms of technical, cost and time there are several things: Applications can provide a faster response.

While I can't deny that properly developed fully native mobile apps are faster than responsive websites, you'd have to make that app blazingly fast to start up on my older smartphone otherwise I'll stick to the website. Not sure how it is with newer devices, but switching apps on mine is a much more lengthy (thus less responsive and much more irritating) experience than just switching browser tabs.

there are many fraud cases that I really hope in the future also to implement a verification system like KYC. besides that I also really hope that this forum can improve its security from a multi account side. multi account is very detrimental. it might be possible to detect IP, MAC ADDRESS, or anything else that only makes one person only have one account.

The ability to create multiple accounts is forum policy. As for KYC, I'll quote the big man himself, head admin theymos:

I'll get right on that, just as soon as hell freezes over.

As for your concerns about having a responsive website in general, check out the "New forum software" board. To quote the description, it's about the "new forum software under development". One of the features outlined in the requirements document (see the board's only stickied thread) is user themes, meaning anyone can create their own mobile-friendly theme. IIRC the basic theme the software's beta / demo (which is currently unavailable) used was responsive.

[Monix Cahyono]

indeed, to create a very good application requires a short time, it can't be instant. need several stages. and maybe that can be thought for the future. apologize if I am presumptuous and wrong to say this. Thank you for your advice.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Screw KYC.  This is a forum, not a money-changing website.  There's no need for it and it would be more than a little ironic if a forum dedicated to a semi-anonymous currency required members to disclose their identities--plus I don't trust anyone on the web with personal info.  Bitcointalk has been hacked more times than Lizzie Borden's folks, and who knows who would end up with my dox when (not if) it happens again.

As to the mobile site suggestion: you're spot-on, it would be awesome to have an option for phone users.  It's been discussed many times before.  You might want to do some reading before all the suggesting.

[Monix Cahyono]

Screw KYC.  This is a forum, not a money-changing website.  There's no need for it and it would be more than a little ironic if a forum dedicated to a semi-anonymous currency required members to disclose their identities--plus I don't trust anyone on the web with personal info.  Bitcointalk has been hacked more times than Lizzie Borden's folks, and who knows who would end up with my dox when (not if) it happens again.

right, if there is an application of the KYC system it might make this forum no longer anonymous. then is there your opinion to reduce the misuse of the account? Sorry, maybe you can give directions.

As to the mobile site suggestion: you're spot-on, it would be awesome to have an option for phone users.  It's been discussed many times before.  You might want to do some reading before all the suggesting.

related to the mobile site, I will try to read and understand some of the previous posts that are here. thanks.

[r1s2g3]

Screw KYC.  

I agree. If you ask me KYC today then I like to see the KYC of the satoshi first.

Why should KYC should not be implemented?
All bitcoin transactions are in public domain and open to all. Do you have any idea how much attack it can bring to this (legal or hacking attempts) to this forum just to get the KYC docs of leading escrows or wealthy wallets.

[logfiles]

multi account is very detrimental. it might be possible to detect IP, MAC ADDRESS, or anything else that only makes one person only have one account.

This will certainly not work. If very centralized social media communities like Facebook and twitter still allow people to create multiple accounts from the same IP and devices (so long as they don't abuse it through use of bots) then why would Bitcointalk take away that freedom?

To me it's normal, someone can have 2 or maybe 4 accounts for different purposes so long as they have no evil intentions and that's a normal number. Enforcing such a strict rule of one person per account would make other people start looking for other alternatives.

Maybe what would be done is to completely ban account sales which is one of the major cause of many problems here including account farming, spamming, hacking, scamming etc.

[wilburwilbur]

Screw KYC.  

I agree. If you ask me KYC today then I like to see the KYC of the satoshi first.

Why should KYC should not be implemented?
All bitcoin transactions are in public domain and open to all. Do you have any idea how much attack it can bring to this (legal or hacking attempts) to this forum just to get the KYC docs of leading escrows or wealthy wallets.

Lol KYC is disclosed to forum staffs or admins only
But then you are right. I strongly agree that KYC should not be implemented here in forum. The forum requires minimum information that is well and good.

[logfiles]

Lol KYC is disclosed to forum staffs or admins only

He was obviously trying to say that Hackers or persons under the arm of law would do anything they can to get their hands on the KYC documents that you think are " disclosed to forum staffs or admins only "
It would bring a lot of unwanted attention to the forum's database.

Imagine say your KYC documents which have your address get leaked and it turns out you are linked to a certain wallet address with say 10,000 BTC. How would you feel?

Prevention is better than cure

[OgNasty]

Lol KYC is disclosed to forum staffs or admins only

Ya, since the last staff member to get their hands on someone’s passport was so responsible with the information... 

[tbct_mt2]

Bitcointalk forum is not a place of money-making, so there is no need to have KYC for any reason.
Bitcointalkers should focus on bitcoin talk, talking about bitcoin, and sometimes distraction a little bit to altcoins talk.

[greeklogos]

I prefer web version of the forum and cannot imagine how it would look like as application for the phone. But the fact that all big and popular projects have their app version moves me to an idea that such form of the forum will find its lovers and will be in demand.

[mdayonliner]

I agree. If you ask me KYC today then I like to see the KYC of the satoshi first.

I would like to see theymos's first LOL

We have talked about KYC several times. KYC does not go with the concept of Bitcoin besides like The Pharmacist and other said, this is a forum not an investment bank LOL

Lol KYC is disclosed to forum staffs or admins only

Why would I trust staffs?

[TheUltraElite]

Lol KYC is disclosed to forum staffs or admins only

They are not.

But then you are right. I strongly agree that KYC should not be implemented here in forum. The forum requires minimum information that is well and good.

This is a cryptocurrency forum. By all means according to governments the majority of cryptocurrency users are offshoring money, laundering it and using it for illegal purposes. Again if theymos receives a subpoena from the governments to hand over the IP and information of a certain user suspected to be under legal problem - they have to follow that.

Not having a KYC system is rather good for this forum to remain open to new members. Those people who dont like it are free to leave the forum as and when they wish.

[Monix Cahyono]

All bitcoin transactions are in public domain and open to all. Do you have any idea how much attack it can bring to this (legal or hacking attempts) to this forum just to get the KYC docs of leading escrows or wealthy wallets.
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He was obviously trying to say that Hackers or persons under the arm of law would do anything they can to get their hands on the KYC documents that you think are " disclosed to forum staffs or admins only "
It would bring a lot of unwanted attention to the forum's database.
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when KYC is considered too risky, it's okay to do it. hopefully later there will be the best solution.

Maybe what would be done is to completely ban account sales which is one of the major cause of many problems here including account farming, spamming, hacking, scamming etc.

related to scammer, farming account, fraud and hacking. well this is, the fact is that there are still many farm accounts, it may be legitimate if they use it for themselves. but when he farmed the account then sold it, it was very sad and very bad. let's look at some local threads, there are lots of buying and selling accounts for this forum.
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and still much again, that's must be minimized immediately.

then to overcome the presence of spammers, we take the example of Twitter. recently a lot of accounts were banned because they were considered spammers. based on what I heard, what might cause blocking of accounts other than the report is that posts that are done without pauses are used to advertise fraudulent business. some even say they only use the #ICO hashtag in some of their posts so that their account is blocked.

then what about our beloved forum. indeed there is already a report baseball to report posts that are not appropriate. there are also some members who care and make a special thread to report this. Like this : LoyceV is very good and help to kill bad account.
But I think it is still lacking to eradicate those who are fraudulent and unworthy.

What if a rule is made with a maximum of 5 times a day? this is to reduce the presence of spammers. this is only my opinion, please correct it if it's wrong.

[Cashi]

What if a rule is made with a maximum of 5 times a day? this is to reduce the presence of spammers. this is only my opinion, please correct it if it's wrong.

5 posts per day?
The problem will be that they are going to create more accounts and spam their 5 posts, a limit of posts per day won't help to reduce spam. And everyone else will also have this limit, if you want to respond, but you've already made 5 posts you can't respond. 

It's an achivement that the spam is limited mostly to the Altcoin section in bounty and announcement threads. There will always be spam and fraud by bumping.