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February 24, 2019, 10:46:28 AM
Last edit: February 24, 2019, 11:32:55 AM by redsn0w_meta
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Hey guys, I've been banned but I thinks it's an error.

https://i.imgur.com/BRtGW1S.png

It says "plagiarism" but the posts that have been deleted are posts of 3 years ago (IIRC).



https://i.imgur.com/BqFiMlJ.png
The deleted posts.



Can you unban me? Cyrus ~Theymos, thanks.





PS: This account has been only created to ask about the ban (I will not post outside this thread)
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February 24, 2019, 10:54:44 AM
Last edit: February 24, 2019, 11:27:52 AM by bL4nkcode
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So what's your account's username?

Plus deleted posts are not direct reason of copy pasting there must be posts detected by mods. And admins will not unban you either.

Okay, so there are numbers of days for particular punishments. And I see no label banned in bpip for this account.



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February 24, 2019, 10:58:38 AM
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So what's your account's username?

Plus deleted posts are not direct reason of copy pasting. And admins will not unban you either.

 Roll Eyes are you serious? All the info are in the first post. You didn't even read it, you only posted to increase your post count because you've a signature-ad.

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February 24, 2019, 11:05:22 AM
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redsn0w It is your account am I right?
can you tell me why you created a new account? I think also this account is banned coming soon because of your multiple accounts and banned evasion.  
NB:  You break another rules by creating a new account so sad man.
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February 24, 2019, 11:10:50 AM
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redsn0w It is your account am I right?
can you tell me why you created a new account? I think also this account is banned coming soon because of your multiple accounts and banned evasion.  
NB:  You break new rules by creating a new account so sad man.

What are you talking about LOL
He created this account to deal with his real account ban.

Anyway, I think this must be an error. An account with 10471 posts certainly holds huge value for the forum. The original account also earned few merits as well.

Mods, admin should have a look into this issue.

By the way redsn0w, you may try here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5089777.0

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February 24, 2019, 11:32:44 AM
Last edit: February 24, 2019, 11:51:30 AM by LoyceV
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And I see no label banned in bpip for this account.
BPIP gets it's data from modlog, which doesn't show temporary bans.

Quoting for images:



Anyway, I think this must be an error. An account with 10471 posts certainly holds huge value for the forum.
It looks like it, because the ban is only temporary. If plagiarism is the reason, this is better than a permanent ban. I would however like to see a link to confirm plagiarism.

The deleted post is quoted here:
Possible reason for sell off is people anticipate NXT prise to rise soon, as the 1.2.xx branch is just around the corner, so they sell to get more NXTs.

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February 24, 2019, 11:41:33 AM
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It looks like it, because it the ban is only temporary.
Trying to understand that you wrote however I guess I did. This brings another question for me.

How many message (PM) considered to be ban worthy? Is there a limit or how do the mod decide it?

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February 24, 2019, 11:46:39 AM
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The fact that you got sig banned as well probably means that it was theymos who issued the ban. You could try PMing him I guess - not much the rest of us can do here. As for the plagiarised post, it seems to have already been deleted (either by redsn0w as he claims or by theymos).


And I see no label banned in bpip for this account.
BPIP gets it's data from modlog, which doesn't show temporary bans.
Since BPIP scrapes the modlog, it doesn't show custom bans (which includes both temporary bans as well as permabans with a custom reason) in general.


How many message (PM) considered to be ban worthy? Is there a limit or how do the mod decide it?
What sort of messages? Unsolicited spam PMs? If so, one might be enough to get you banned. Don't exactly see how this relates to the topic at hand.


EDIT: Here's the (now deleted) plagiarism:

Possible reason for sell off is people anticipate NXT prise to rise soon, as the 1.2.xx branch is just around the corner, so they sell to get more NXTs.

Possible reason for sell off is people anticipate NXT prise to rise soon, as the 1.2.xx branch is just around the corner, so they sell to get more NXTs.

Last one quoted in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg8276768#msg8276768

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February 24, 2019, 11:54:04 AM
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redsn0w It is your account am I right?
can you tell me why you created a new account? I think also this account is banned coming soon because of your multiple accounts and banned evasion.  
NB:  You break new rules by creating a new account so sad man.

What are you talking about LOL
He created this account to deal with his real account ban.

Anyway, I think this must be an error. An account with 10471 posts certainly holds huge value for the forum. The original account also earned few merits as well.

Mods, admin should have a look into this issue.

By the way redsn0w, you may try here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5089777.0
I'm not talking about LOL.

because see this post, If I'm not mistaken.

Thanks a lot man. All signature has been created by me. My previous full member account has been banned  Cry
Oh dear, ban evasion.  As a full member you should be knowing the forum rules. Why did they ban your first account?

So why the action was taken here



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103561.msg49478572#msg49478572
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February 24, 2019, 12:02:26 PM
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What sort of messages? Unsolicited spam PMs? If so, one might be enough to get you banned. Don't exactly see how this relates to the topic at hand.

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You are banned from posting or sending personal messages
So I thought there are some limits of sending message.

No question about Unsolicited spam PMs by the way.


Retina, you really need to read and understand the forum rules.

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]

25. If you get banned (temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.

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What sort of messages? Unsolicited spam PMs? If so, one might be enough to get you banned. Don't exactly see how this relates to the topic at hand.

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You are banned from posting or sending personal messages
So I thought there are some limits of sending message.

No question about Unsolicited spam PMs by the way.


Retina, you really need to read and understand the forum rules.

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]

25. If you get banned (temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.
Thanks for about it. I did not know it Now I know it,  I was wrong to understand here Thank you for understanding it.
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February 24, 2019, 01:33:24 PM
Last edit: February 24, 2019, 01:58:35 PM by shasan
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BPIP gets it's data from modlog, which doesn't show temporary bans.
I think bpip shoes nuked ban and autoban. It cant show any other ban, correct me if I am wrong in this point.
Edit:
Usually, ban occur for a full profile from posting and sending a message. But you have been banned for 2 years on the signature? What you have worn on your signature. I think you have been banned for your worn signature where you wrote something which broke the rule of signature space.

An account with 10471 posts certainly holds huge value for the forum.
I can't agree with you. Most of the posts are one sentence. S/he became legendary only as he was an old member. I do not think s/he has contributed anything according to his/her rank.
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February 24, 2019, 02:36:29 PM
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He was banned by theymos for plagiarism. Someone asked about this specific case (temp ban with 2 years signature ban) and theymos replied to it:

Everything is case-by-case.

IIRC, theymos/a mod already stated that plagiarism is plagiarism and it doesn't matter how much posts/reputation someone has. Also, he didn't get a permaban like most users, so that's something.

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Last edit: February 24, 2019, 04:13:47 PM by suchmoon
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IIRC, theymos/a mod already stated that plagiarism is plagiarism and it doesn't matter how much posts/reputation someone has. Also, he didn't get a permaban like most users, so that's something.

This also (kind of) answers another question:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113076.msg49868535#msg49868535

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Does this mean that users with plagiarism before 21/11/2016 should not get banned?

It looks like plagiarism before 2016 - when it showed up in the list of rules - is still considered unacceptable, although the ban is softer in this case.

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Yes,look like Theymos is considered alternative punishment to the permanent ban for the plagiarism. Does this mean all the  old banned users can appeal again? Will Theymos again going to see their case as per case by case basis?

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Yes,look like Theymos is considered alternative punishment to the permanent ban for the plagiarism. Does this mean all the  old banned users can appeal again? Will Theymos again going to see their case as per case by case basis?
IMO, that's very unlikely.

a) It would be a lot of work to analyze each case again and issue a new customized ban;
b) I assume he will only issue temp bans for very specific cases (very old plagiarized posts, HQ posters, reputable users, etc...)

Edit:
There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

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So why the action was taken here
Because note the bold point from below quote,

Thanks a lot man. All signature has been created by me. My previous full member account has been banned  Cry
You are not allow to post outside meta if your original account has been banned. You can create new account only for appeal ban. If someone try to make post outside of meta then it will consider ban evasion. I think you misunderstood the rules.  

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Wow, you should consider yourself lucky. Most people get permanently banned for plagiarism. Although it was from 4.5 years ago 

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I think ban came for the signature issue.where its notified strongly that you will not be able to signature for next 2 years. There might be a reason for your past signature. But honestly action for plagiarism is quite soften here.   

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