Science and Religion?

[DigitalCyberius]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6omFJhKr6o

A comedy sketch, really? Wow. Didn't watch all of it, but I got the gist, going to make fun of things he doesn't understand, and hasn't looked into very deeply. As stated, Noah's Ark has been found (and it's massive by the way - see Ken Ham's The Ark Encounter for a good representation of the size). Here's a non-comedic presentation on the flood - which is just the tip of the iceberg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0imsTv5Ez4

There are living trees that are older than 4000 years. LOL.

Next time you see doves think about the two doves on Noah's ark.  

You people who believe in this fairy tale are comedians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_BzWUuZN5w

I'm not here to get in a heated debate. But:

A. Tree ring dating is not an exact science, you can get multiple rings (at least 2) in a year. It all depends on the conditions, which I'm sure have varied significantly over the last few thousand years.
B. Some trees can be uprooted and replanted, this could have happened during the flood.
C. Sometimes they'll extend tree ring dates by combining similar looking rings in different trees, which is dubious to say the least.
D. Regardless of the supposed age (and the facts above) why are all of the oldest trees between 4,000 - 6,000 years, or around that? Why not 20,000... 100,000... a million? It's not an exact science, and with room for non-accounted errors, oldest trees fit well within the Biblical timeframe, not the evolutionary one.
E. All the evidence points to a massive global flood.

And let me just ask you: what would you expect to see if there was a global flood? Billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the Earth, perhaps? Signs of rapid & catastrophic burial? Fossils themselves (do we see fossils forming today under normal conditions? No.)? Fish fossils on the tops of mountains (which by the way, there was much geological activity during the flood, with land sinking and rising)? Polystrate fossils going through multiple layers of rock and coal? Folded mountains and folded & buckled sediment layers (rocks don't bend or fold unless they're soft)? Completely smooth seams of strata? Places where "older strata" is on top of "younger strata" or where the native material for an entire mountain is across the sea on a different continent? Global flood legends, bearing much resemblance to the Biblical account? A genetic population bottleneck? A planet whose surface is mostly water, with plenty more underneath (PS, why is it that they can say Mars must have had a global flood, which currently has no water, and Earth, which is covered with water, can't have had one)? Just what would you expect to find?

Thank you

[DigitalCyberius]

You seem to be very confused about what an answer is.
An easy example you might understand: (probably not)

I ask, why do things fall down? An answer could be: they fall down because the earth is flat and accelerating upwards, is that a true answer though? No, just like the answers in the bible, its a statement with no evidence.

Science answers with gravity which can be measured and tested and you yourself admit its real, you admit science works better than religion.

Religion takes an overview of life.

Science focuses on little pieces of stuff, and often comes up with stupidity regarding that stuff.

If we had only science, we would stumble and die for lack of a big enough understanding of how to live.

If we had only religion, we would simply go on with life as we have for thousands of years.

You seem very confused about what the topic is.

Did religion help edison, einstein, newton and every other genius/creator/inventor ?? Did it at all??? Did they need to know about god to invent or discover things? Of course not. We are here because of them, you can type stupid shit because of them not religion, religion didnt invent computers or the internet.

Lol, actually modern science was headed by many men of faith, including some of the ones you mentioned, and it was important to them how they viewed the world and did their work. Many inventions have come about by people of faith, and even some from Divine revelation. But I ask you: did evolution create computers or the internet? No. The only way the questioner's question makes sense is with the assumption that "science" proves evolution, and disproves the Bible, which it does not. In fact, science keeps proving many of the things the Bible says (in addition to archeological evidence that it is true, along with other signs such as precisely fulfilled prophecy, etc).

[DigitalCyberius]

^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.

What does that have to do with bill gates inveting an operating system? Or einstein? Again, even the religious inventors and geniuses didnt need the bible to do what they did. Does the bible teach the scientific method? Does it teach a better method? Does it teach anything related to engineering, physics, math?

Cause and effect in everything!

This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.

Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?

The Bible is nothing more than a brainwashing fairy tale that had more power in earlier times when life was much more simple and mysteries remained.

If it in inspires and guides you through life, more power to you.

What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.

[Astargath]

^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.

What does that have to do with bill gates inveting an operating system? Or einstein? Again, even the religious inventors and geniuses didnt need the bible to do what they did. Does the bible teach the scientific method? Does it teach a better method? Does it teach anything related to engineering, physics, math?

Cause and effect in everything!

This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.

Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?

Cause and effect in everything doesn't prove god even if you could prove that everything has a cause which you can't.

How many galaxies,stars are out there? Planets? Trillions and trillions of planets with quadrillions of different things and you claim to know that all of them were caused by something else??? How do you know? Have you been there every time something was created?

[Astargath]

You seem to be very confused about what an answer is.
An easy example you might understand: (probably not)

I ask, why do things fall down? An answer could be: they fall down because the earth is flat and accelerating upwards, is that a true answer though? No, just like the answers in the bible, its a statement with no evidence.

Science answers with gravity which can be measured and tested and you yourself admit its real, you admit science works better than religion.

Religion takes an overview of life.

Science focuses on little pieces of stuff, and often comes up with stupidity regarding that stuff.

If we had only science, we would stumble and die for lack of a big enough understanding of how to live.

If we had only religion, we would simply go on with life as we have for thousands of years.

You seem very confused about what the topic is.

Did religion help edison, einstein, newton and every other genius/creator/inventor ?? Did it at all??? Did they need to know about god to invent or discover things? Of course not. We are here because of them, you can type stupid shit because of them not religion, religion didnt invent computers or the internet.

Lol, actually modern science was headed by many men of faith, including some of the ones you mentioned, and it was important to them how they viewed the world and did their work. Many inventions have come about by people of faith, and even some from Divine revelation. But I ask you: did evolution create computers or the internet? No. The only way the questioner's question makes sense is with the assumption that "science" proves evolution, and disproves the Bible, which it does not. In fact, science keeps proving many of the things the Bible says (in addition to archeological evidence that it is true, along with other signs such as precisely fulfilled prophecy, etc).

Age of the earth, age of the universe proves the bible to be a hoax. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors
There are a ton of scientific mistakes in the bible, again proving the bible to be science fiction.

If another religion has more fulfilled prophecies would you change your religion to that one?

[Mastrhiggins]

^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.

What does that have to do with bill gates inveting an operating system? Or einstein? Again, even the religious inventors and geniuses didnt need the bible to do what they did. Does the bible teach the scientific method? Does it teach a better method? Does it teach anything related to engineering, physics, math?

Cause and effect in everything!

This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.

Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?

The Bible is nothing more than a brainwashing fairy tale that had more power in earlier times when life was much more simple and mysteries remained.

If it in inspires and guides you through life, more power to you.

What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.

It is my opinion.   Did humans write it?  Sure.  Is everything in it true?  No.

[af_newbie]

^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.

What does that have to do with bill gates inveting an operating system? Or einstein? Again, even the religious inventors and geniuses didnt need the bible to do what they did. Does the bible teach the scientific method? Does it teach a better method? Does it teach anything related to engineering, physics, math?

Cause and effect in everything!

This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.

Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?

The Bible is nothing more than a brainwashing fairy tale that had more power in earlier times when life was much more simple and mysteries remained.

If it in inspires and guides you through life, more power to you.

What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.

How about the Bible verses that talk about unicorns, witches, wizards, and magic?

[Astargath]

^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.

What does that have to do with bill gates inveting an operating system? Or einstein? Again, even the religious inventors and geniuses didnt need the bible to do what they did. Does the bible teach the scientific method? Does it teach a better method? Does it teach anything related to engineering, physics, math?

Cause and effect in everything!

This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.

Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?

The Bible is nothing more than a brainwashing fairy tale that had more power in earlier times when life was much more simple and mysteries remained.

If it in inspires and guides you through life, more power to you.

What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.

Plenty, from the incoherent stories to the many scientific errors in it. Or simple logic, is god all powerful and knows everything? Then why would he need 7 days to create anything? Why would he need to rest? Why are we here if he already knows who will go to heaven? How will heaven prevent humans from doing bad things? Etc. You only need an IQ above 50 to understand the flawed logic.

[BADecker]

^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.

This is the main problem with leap of faith.   You can basically explain anything away as God's plan.   Sorry not buying it.

This being a religion AND science thread, let me say that our modern science is way behind religion. One simple example of this is Chinese traditional medicine, which is connected to their religion, and is way ahead of any medicine the scientific West has.

Of course you have stats and facts behind this correct?

Chinese medicine is connected to nutrition. Common sense says that if you don't eat, nothing will help you. After a month or two you will die of starvation. Nutrition being part of Chinese medicine, has the correct start for health through medicine. And it's all part of their religion, basically.

You can take all the non-edible medication you want, and it might keep you alive for longer than if you simply stopped the nutrition - if you inject nutrition - but your state of life won't be all that good, and you will still be getting nutrition. In addition, the Western medical is finally acknowledging the importance of nutrition, a thing that Chinese medicine has been doing for thousands of years.

I don't keep stats and facts like this in my records. Search for it on the Net.

[BADecker]

^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.

What does that have to do with bill gates inveting an operating system? Or einstein? Again, even the religious inventors and geniuses didnt need the bible to do what they did. Does the bible teach the scientific method? Does it teach a better method? Does it teach anything related to engineering, physics, math?

Cause and effect in everything!

This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.

Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?

The Bible is nothing more than a brainwashing fairy tale that had more power in earlier times when life was much more simple and mysteries remained.

If it in inspires and guides you through life, more power to you.

Except that the records of how it was written, the major thread of the Bible being the Messiah, the kind of people who wrote it, the fact that science that is against the Bible is gradually being proven wrong, the sense of the Bible and God in peoples' lives, and loads of other things... all prove that the Bible is way more accurate than science for everything except things that the Bible doesn't express at all.

[BADecker]

Cause and effect in everything!

This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.

Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?

Cause and effect in everything doesn't prove god even if you could prove that everything has a cause which you can't.

How many galaxies,stars are out there? Planets? Trillions and trillions of planets with quadrillions of different things and you claim to know that all of them were caused by something else??? How do you know? Have you been there every time something was created?

Cause and effect in everything proves God. Are you ready to show us something that exists though spontaneity rather than C&E?

You are starting to buck science. Science is built on C&E. The greater the scientist, the more he is into C&E. Even if he is looking for spontaneity, he is using C&E to find it. Do you really think that science knows about any star without using C&E to some extent to find or watch it?

Your personal science is becoming a religions cult for you that's even worse than the FE cult.

[BADecker]

Lol, actually modern science was headed by many men of faith, including some of the ones you mentioned, and it was important to them how they viewed the world and did their work. Many inventions have come about by people of faith, and even some from Divine revelation. But I ask you: did evolution create computers or the internet? No. The only way the questioner's question makes sense is with the assumption that "science" proves evolution, and disproves the Bible, which it does not. In fact, science keeps proving many of the things the Bible says (in addition to archeological evidence that it is true, along with other signs such as precisely fulfilled prophecy, etc).

Age of the earth, age of the universe proves the bible to be a hoax. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors
There are a ton of scientific mistakes in the bible, again proving the bible to be science fiction.

If another religion has more fulfilled prophecies would you change your religion to that one?

Since the Bible is the only accurate way for determining the approximate age of the earth, the Bible is proving science wrong. There are tons of mistakes in science.

Anybody could write a book with prophesies in it. All one would need to do is predict that the earth will last for one more minute. Doing this every minute would outnumber Bible prophesies in short order. So, let's look at the whole thing, not just prophesies.

[BADecker]

What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.

It is my opinion.   Did humans write it?  Sure.  Is everything in it true?  No.

Everything in the Bible is true, even when it talks about the lies of people and demons.

God Told the Bible writers what to write. He told them in their spirits, and they wrote it.

[BADecker]

What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.

How about the Bible verses that talk about unicorns, witches, wizards, and magic?

Science is digging out things that have been unknown. Average people don't know these things. So, science is essentially discovering magical things.

God knew all about those things long ago. Some of them He had written down in the Bible.

The true magic lies in the miracles God does that don't follow the laws of nature.

[af_newbie]

What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.

How about the Bible verses that talk about unicorns, witches, wizards, and magic?

Science is digging out things that have been unknown. Average people don't know these things. So, science is essentially discovering magical things.

God knew all about those things long ago. Some of them He had written down in the Bible.

The true magic lies in the miracles God does that don't follow the laws of nature.

You love to be ignorant. Is that your goal?  Is that why you belong to your Bronze Age club?

[BADecker]

What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.

Plenty, from the incoherent stories to the many scientific errors in it. Or simple logic, is god all powerful and knows everything? Then why would he need 7 days to create anything? Why would he need to rest? Why are we here if he already knows who will go to heaven? How will heaven prevent humans from doing bad things? Etc. You only need an IQ above 50 to understand the flawed logic.

There aen't any incoherent stories in the Bible.

Simple logic is found all over the Bible, right along with the complex logic expressed by God.

Why do you think God needed 7 days to create anything?

Why do you think God needed to rest?

We are here to prove to those who go to Hell, that God is justified in His sending them to Hell. And actually, When He proves it to them on the Judgment Day, the proof will be so overwhelming that the lost people will even wheep in pity and love for God.

No bad in Heaven. Only levels of good.

Why in the world ask such stupid questions? Why place yourself into such a silly style of thinking? Most of the stuff you ask, you only ask to test other people. God will probably set all the answers within you at the Day of Judgment, before you get a chance to ask them, and before you are cast into the Lake of Fire.

[BADecker]

Science is digging out things that have been unknown. Average people don't know these things. So, science is essentially discovering magical things.

God knew all about those things long ago. Some of them He had written down in the Bible.

The true magic lies in the miracles God does that don't follow the laws of nature.

You love to be ignorant. Is that your goal?  Is that why you belong to your Bronze Age club?

Bronze Age academicians would have run rings around your type of thinking.

[Astargath]

Lol, actually modern science was headed by many men of faith, including some of the ones you mentioned, and it was important to them how they viewed the world and did their work. Many inventions have come about by people of faith, and even some from Divine revelation. But I ask you: did evolution create computers or the internet? No. The only way the questioner's question makes sense is with the assumption that "science" proves evolution, and disproves the Bible, which it does not. In fact, science keeps proving many of the things the Bible says (in addition to archeological evidence that it is true, along with other signs such as precisely fulfilled prophecy, etc).

Age of the earth, age of the universe proves the bible to be a hoax. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors
There are a ton of scientific mistakes in the bible, again proving the bible to be science fiction.

If another religion has more fulfilled prophecies would you change your religion to that one?

Since the Bible is the only accurate way for determining the approximate age of the earth, the Bible is proving science wrong. There are tons of mistakes in science.

Anybody could write a book with prophesies in it. All one would need to do is predict that the earth will last for one more minute. Doing this every minute would outnumber Bible prophesies in short order. So, let's look at the whole thing, not just prophesies.

Since the Bible is the only accurate way for determining the approximate age of the earth (Baseless claim with no evidence presented)


the Bible is proving science wrong. There are tons of mistakes in science. (Claim without any kind of evidence or example presented, where is the bible proving science wrong?)


Anybody could write a book with prophesies in it. All one would need to do is predict that the earth will last for one more minute. Doing this every minute would outnumber Bible prophesies in short order. So, let's look at the whole thing, not just prophesies. (Sounds good, the whole thing is trash as already explained before, https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors too many mistakes)

[Astargath]

What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.

Plenty, from the incoherent stories to the many scientific errors in it. Or simple logic, is god all powerful and knows everything? Then why would he need 7 days to create anything? Why would he need to rest? Why are we here if he already knows who will go to heaven? How will heaven prevent humans from doing bad things? Etc. You only need an IQ above 50 to understand the flawed logic.

There aen't any incoherent stories in the Bible.

Simple logic is found all over the Bible, right along with the complex logic expressed by God.

Why do you think God needed 7 days to create anything?

Why do you think God needed to rest?

We are here to prove to those who go to Hell, that God is justified in His sending them to Hell. And actually, When He proves it to them on the Judgment Day, the proof will be so overwhelming that the lost people will even wheep in pity and love for God.

No bad in Heaven. Only levels of good.

Why in the world ask such stupid questions? Why place yourself into such a silly style of thinking? Most of the stuff you ask, you only ask to test other people. God will probably set all the answers within you at the Day of Judgment, before you get a chance to ask them, and before you are cast into the Lake of Fire.

There aen't any incoherent stories in the Bible.  (https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/the_incompleteness_and_incoherence_of_the_bible and https://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined/2018/10/top-20-most-damning-bible-contradictions/ )

Simple logic is found all over the Bible, right along with the complex logic expressed by God. (As well as tons of contradictions and stupid laws, see: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_actions_prohibited_by_the_Bible)

Why do you think God needed 7 days to create anything? (“Then God said, ‘Let there be light’; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day” (Genesis 1:3-5).

“Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made” (Genesis 2:1-3).


Why do you think God needed to rest? (and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made” (Genesis 2:1-3). )

We are here to prove to those who go to Hell, that God is justified in His sending them to Hell. And actually, When He proves it to them on the Judgment Day, the proof will be so overwhelming that the lost people will even wheep in pity and love for God.

No bad in Heaven. Only levels of good. (How can god prevent evil in heaven?)



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[Astargath]

What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.

How about the Bible verses that talk about unicorns, witches, wizards, and magic?

Science is digging out things that have been unknown. Average people don't know these things. So, science is essentially discovering magical things.

God knew all about those things long ago. Some of them He had written down in the Bible.

The true magic lies in the miracles God does that don't follow the laws of nature.

Science is digging out things that have been unknown. Average people don't know these things. So, science is essentially discovering magical things. (Incoherent logical assertion, science discovering things that people don't know doesn't make them magical)

God knew all about those things long ago. Some of them He had written down in the Bible. (Like for example?)

The true magic lies in the miracles God does that don't follow the laws of nature. (Baseless claim with no evidence)