Theymos OUT OF CONTROL !!!

[stingers]

Shit

@theymos, please note, an example of merits awarded on political basis

Hope you react to this as you said.

[Thule]

You really think this is the best way to get your point across?

Show me a better way against the abuse i received.
Complaining is easy but show me an effectiv better way how i can defend myself against such abuse?


Stingers pointed to another abuse or do you consider your post worth merits ?
Cause it seems merits are nearly only on Meta provided and to your post because it was against me and cryptohunter.

[cryptohunter]

I'm not keeping up with the cryptohunter drama, nor have i read the thread, but i just felt to point this out;

It's really sad to see that all of these threads/posts complaining about the state of the forum basically boil down to typing down as much as you can.

@Thule @Cryptohunter, do you seriously think ANYONE is still keeping up with the walls of garbage you're writing down?

Half of the forum is illiterate/can't speak basic english. You really think this is the best way to get your point across?


At this point: No one cares. The world nor the forum revolves around you.

You see this post gets 10 political merits from a proven trust abuser and it is actually net negative.

You need to read a post if you want to comment on it.

This is bigger than me or thule it has far reaching implications for the entire forum and the free speech afforded to everyone here.

Sorry that you are not interested in that but at least you got some "merits" for posting net negative nonsense from a proven trust abuser and someone who is implicated in extortion schemes amongst other dirty shit.

If you can't be bothered to read the post then don't comment on it  just click ignore.

Let me challenge you though to locate and present the INCORRECT information presented in my post. Then I will present the CORRECT and IMPORTANT information contained.

[Foxpup]

You see this post gets 10 political merits from a proven trust abuser and it is actually net negative.

Don't worry, I sprinkled some apolitical merit on it to balance things out.

[Harlot]

Your post would really be helpful if you provide links on what you are talking about. Because members like me cannot grasp on what you are accusing to theymos. I haven't seen any known members lately being destroyed because of the rules being sent out by theymos. I don't even see how he is protecting someone by the way he acts in the forum right now, I only see that when he applies changes everyone in the forum is affected not only one.

[TECSHARE]

You see this post gets 10 political merits from a proven trust abuser and it is actually net negative.

Don't worry, I sprinkled some apolitical merit on it to balance things out.

How many months did it take for abuse of the merit system to become a joke? That has to be record time for a new feature. This is yet another example of Theymos wanting to have his cake and eat it too. You want to remove merits you think are invalid, but then you don't want to apply that rule universally, only for the people who are "more equal than others". I see him moving in the right direction, but I think he still doesn't quite get the dynamic at play here.

[cryptohunter]

You see this post gets 10 political merits from a proven trust abuser and it is actually net negative.

Don't worry, I sprinkled some apolitical merit on it to balance things out.

This demonstrates a willful desire to apply merit to posts that are stacked full of misleading junk and just generally net negative. Just so long as they support his political views.

The post that they rushed to plaster with MERITS

1. admits he has not even read through the thread? but still wants to voice apparently an on topic and relevant rebuttal
2. Makes many false claims.
3. I challenge them to bring forth from my post the incorrect parts which obviously constitute "walls of garbage"  where is he??

I mean he has not read them, makes false claims and does not respond at all to my challenge.

LOL then a turd like tman gives it 10 merits? don't tell me that piece of mindless garbage is a merit source, how could that fool tell a valuable post from non valuable even if he was not a crook??

Then after foxpup reads my post and quotes part of it he then still decides to merit it. Haha

Fox pup - he is one of those Theymos can thank the most for making the merit system a complete and utter joke. This fool loves taking piss about his merit abuse.  Go view his fans and recipients he pumps 100's of merits to the "gang" to the point it looks so obvious and scammy that  - the pharmacist started saying (when I pointed out how he was just plastering his post in merits with  a few seconds between each splat of merit) I don't know why he keeps meriting me so much. I mean he surely recognised it looked insane.

I mean pull up the posts he merits. They are predominantly shitposts.  He is at the top of the back stabbers thread for just splashing out merit to other "gang" members by the TON.

Take stingers merit source away... I would start looking at the real culprits here for politically motivated merits, at least stingers merited some very good posts that deserved merit.

[Foxpup]

Then after foxpup reads my post and quotes part of it he then still decides to merit it. Haha

It was actually 13 minutes and 55 seconds before your post. (It was meant to be 15 minutes, but I was having trouble with these cheap Taiwanese flux capacitors.)

Also - "he"? Does that mean I'm not a vixen any more? And I was beginning to enjoy it, too.

[stompix]

Your post would really be helpful if you provide links on what you are talking about. Because members like me cannot grasp on what you are accusing to theymos.

Exactly, he is talking about a member, some members, some report, a member, thousands of members but not one single example or at least a link to a topic where this "crime" has been committed.

You are punishing now high ranked members for plagiarism back from 2014.

Who are those members?

Suchmoon clearly searched hard to find anything to attack that member who has over 10k posts and the only thing she could find were posts back from 2014 with some lines of plagiarism

Again, tell people who and what and when and how.
Seriously, I have no f word idea what happened.

But to sum it up, at this point with all those accuses against theymos (with proofs as you claim) and you still haven't left negative feedback? Do it!!!!!!  

[xolxol]

Ofcourse theymos will allow these abusers to ramp here,he doesnt care about how most of the forum feels about these abusive people.Dont waste your time,i already given up this fight the admin itself cannot control these hierarchy,not him nor satoshi can handle this situation.

RIP BITCOINTALK.

Whose alt are you?

Hey douchebag,what is your fucking problem with me? who's alts? are you going to tag my account if i have alt? your a piece of shit whom doesnt deserve your DT position.
How the fuck my account do something about the OP's topic? do not derail this topic moron.

Who's alt are you? because im going to tag it with multiple accounts.. LOL  

[LFC_Bitcoin]

....snip....at least stingers merited some very good posts that deserved merit.

Oh come on. That’s just a step too far, stingers was one of the worst Merit abusers here. Look at hos Merit sent history ober the last 120 days. Loads of it is to shit posters in that ‘let’s exclude Lauda thread’. He was actively trying to get all of those sock puppet accounts to 10 Merit received so they could get a vote on DT.

He’s also sent you 29 Merit in the last 120 days. Maybe that’s the real reason you’re a little annoyed he’s not a Merit source any more?

Hey douchebag,what is your fucking problem with me? who's alts? are you going to tag my account if i have alt? your a piece of shit whom doesnt deserve your DT position.
How the fuck my account do something about the OP's topic? do not derail this topic moron.

Who's alt are you? because im going to tag it with multiple accounts.. LOL  

Brush up on your English before you start trying to get heavily involved in Meta. You’ve also just implicated yourself for having multiple alts.

[cryptohunter]

Your post would really be helpful if you provide links on what you are talking about. Because members like me cannot grasp on what you are accusing to theymos.

Exactly, he is talking about a member, some members, some report, a member, thousands of members but not one single example or at least a link to a topic where this "crime" has been committed.

You are punishing now high ranked members for plagiarism back from 2014.

Who are those members?

Suchmoon clearly searched hard to find anything to attack that member who has over 10k posts and the only thing she could find were posts back from 2014 with some lines of plagiarism

Again, tell people who and what and when and how.
Seriously, I have no f word idea what happened.

But to sum it up, at this point with all those accuses against theymos (with proofs as you claim) and you still haven't left negative feedback? Do it!!!!!!  

Redsnow I believe, although I though he was granted a reprieve with just a sig ban? so not too bad. A real enthusiast will not care about not having a sig. I think Theymos tries not to let the scum bags here get their way fully on ALL things.

I don't think anyone here is suggesting Theymos has done anything to do with a scam or is he done anything that could even require a trust related feedback. So not sure why you would say that?

Thule and others including myself are perhaps just hoping Theymos can start to see how it appears from our POV that are collateral damage to the long game that he is perhaps counting on and perhaps giving it a bit of a better start to speed things up a bit. It can certainly look like this system is starting off in a very one sided way but the worst part is the observable double standards of those that are DT members (not theymos and a few others). It is quite sickening to watch them lecture others on lying and financially motivated posting. I mean thats without them red trusting persons telling the truth about their wrong doing.

@LFC bitcoin - your post is again observably double standards. You are missing the point.

If others can merit on a political basis then that should go for anyone. NOT that my posts come under that essentially anyway I say they are merit deserving regardless.

Also bring me my posts that have had merit applied then we can compare these to your posts or others that get politically motivated merits for posting misleading net negative junk. If you are sure that they should not have been given merit by Stingers. We can compare.

If stingers can be removed then get foxpoop, suchmoron and most of the other merit merry go round banned too.

More like if we look at your own merit fans and recipients and the gangs we will see a lot of them all riddled over your top fans and recipients that is why you are protecting them.

The thing you are missing is they have histories riddled with proven scammy pasts full of lies and double standards and signs of greed and sneakyness. I'm sorry but when this all gets ironed out it will show for  historical you were on the wrong side of this.  You may not be the worst, but supporting observable scum and untrustworthy manipulators and schemers is nothing to be proud of.

[tranthidung]

RIP BITCOINTALK.

Once upon a time, gold firstly used as mean of asset storage.
Once upon a time, bitcoin created by Satoshi Nakamoto.
Once upon a time, bitcointalk forum created.

Gold has still been here, and will be here for ages.
Bitcoin has still been here, and will be here for ages.
Bitcointalk forum has still been here, and will be here for ages.

[TECSHARE]

RIP BITCOINTALK.

Once upon a time, gold firstly used as mean of asset storage.
Once upon a time, bitcoin created by Satoshi Nakamoto.
Once upon a time, bitcointalk forum created.

Gold has still been here, and will be here for ages.
Bitcoin has still been here, and will be here for ages.
Bitcointalk forum has still been here, and will be here for ages.

Some times gold has a titanium core
Some times Bitcoin is Bitcoin Cash
Bitcointalk is not what it used to be either

It might still exist but it will continue to degrade from a historical institution to 4Chan with an extensive research library.

[SaltySpitoon]

It was allowed by the forum rules.I even asked via PM a mod for permission to buy an account for a friend and got a positiv reply.
There were no info on the forum rules that account buys are discouraged at that time.
If you are on a forum and if you don't know if something is allowed where do you check if you can proceed or not ?Forum rules ?

Scamming people is allowed by forum rules as well. I think it was pretty well established that account selling was untrustworthy by 2014ish? if I had to take a random guess. Pretty sure it was listed in the original post of the unofficial forum rules thread. Its not something that was agreed upon recently. Forum rules aren't decided by community morals, but if it makes you feel any better, your negative trust doesn't mean too much to me as I don't find account selling that untrustworthy. You don't seem to have much business history anyway though, I'd value that over your other ratings if you had any.

No comment on the merit stuff, I don't care about any of it in the slightest, so my opinion holds no weight on that.

[TECSHARE]

It was allowed by the forum rules.I even asked via PM a mod for permission to buy an account for a friend and got a positiv reply.
There were no info on the forum rules that account buys are discouraged at that time.
If you are on a forum and if you don't know if something is allowed where do you check if you can proceed or not ?Forum rules ?

Scamming people is allowed by forum rules as well. I think it was pretty well established that account selling was untrustworthy by 2014ish? if I had to take a random guess. Pretty sure it was listed in the original post of the unofficial forum rules thread. Its not something that was agreed upon recently. Forum rules aren't decided by community morals, but if it makes you feel any better, your negative trust doesn't mean too much to me as I don't find account selling that untrustworthy. You don't seem to have much business history anyway though, I'd value that over your other ratings if you had any.

No comment on the merit stuff, I don't care about any of it in the slightest, so my opinion holds no weight on that.

Amazing how this pattern keeps revealing itself isn't it? Theymos doesn't want to implement hard rules. The rules remain unwritten. The forum creates its own arbitrarily and selectively enforced patchwork of rules also unwritten, a user comes along and would otherwise be "law abiding" if these were published rules, they get their reputation destroyed never ever being aware these rules exist. These rules may be obvious to people like you who frequent the forum more, but they are not immediately obvious by any means.

In fact the importance of promulgating laws is considered so important in most legal systems, that if a defendant can prove sufficient notice of the existence of a law was not given, they are not responsible for the legal violation. This also demonstrates itself in the legal precedent of ex post facto law. If I commit an act that is legal today, and a law is passed against that act tomorrow, I can not be held responsible for violation of the law because I had no possible way of knowing it was to become a crime. How do you expect a party to agree to a contract that is unwritten and ever changing?

These precedents exist because they prevent abusive or destructive uses of the legal system. The idea that people here have to perpetually follow a arbitrary and selectively enforced unwritten patchwork of rules is asinine.

[xolxol]

Brush up on your English before you start trying to get heavily involved in Meta. You’ve also just implicated yourself for having multiple alts.

what's wrong with my english? do i have some grammatical error? can you just answer the question? why are you asking who's alt you are talking to? do you need to tag me as well? DT position doesnt mean you cant be untouchable here,the only difference between us,is you have your DT medal so dont think you are above us.I am one of the pioneer here,is that enough?or do i need to tell you that i am here long before you?

[manfredmann]

Oh no! I read the replies and the conflict is really hard to resolve and it gets worst.

OP, has some point also but I guess it would be better also to let all this things passed, forget and forgive. No one will going to win in this kind of issue.

[actmyname]

Local Rules : Only serious replies with value are allowed to post here

Global rules, you mean.

Zero-substance posts are not allowed in any part of the forum.

You are punishing now high ranked members for plagiarism back from 2014.At that time noone cared about plagiarism.

No one cared about plagiarism. Hm...

[SaltySpitoon]

Amazing how this pattern keeps revealing itself isn't it? Theymos doesn't want to implement hard rules. The rules remain unwritten. The forum creates its own arbitrarily and selectively enforced patchwork of rules also unwritten, a user comes along and would otherwise be "law abiding" if these were published rules, they get their reputation destroyed never ever being aware these rules exist. These rules may be obvious to people like you who frequent the forum more, but they are not immediately obvious by any means.

In fact the importance of promulgating laws is considered so important in most legal systems, that if a defendant can prove sufficient notice of the existence of a law was not given, they are not responsible for the legal violation. This also demonstrates itself in the legal precedent of ex post facto law. If I commit an act that is legal today, and a law is passed against that act tomorrow, I can not be held responsible for violation of the law because I had no possible way of knowing it was to become a crime. How do you expect a party to agree to a contract that is unwritten and ever changing?

These precedents exist because they prevent abusive or destructive uses of the legal system. The idea that people here have to perpetually follow a arbitrary and selectively enforced unwritten patchwork of rules is asinine.

Yeah but uhh... this is a forum. You don't need a court of impartial lawmakers to be sure that people's rights aren't being infringed. Pretty much all that should be guaranteed is that conversation should be allowed to happen, but thats up to Theymos as well. Your reputation can be ruined by any anonymous jerkoff who wants to call you a bad name if you don't have anything to stand on, thats how internet forums work. People in general are smart enough to be able to figure out for themselves whether a claim against you is valid or not. Anything anyone thinks they are entitled to is just precedent set by the good faith thats been done up until now. I'm not saying people don't have the right to complain when something is unfair, but there are a lot of people that need to take a step back and chill.

Trust, merit, etc are all constructs for use by the userbase, again steadfast rules limit the usefulness of tools given to us. By allowing the rules to evolve to suit users needs, the people implementing the systems don't need to be in touch with what it'll be used for. They just develop tools and let the users figure out how they want to use them. I think its safer to say that we all deserve to expect an unfair shake and be pleasantly surprised when things work out, thats kind of the way of limited moderated internet interactions. Someone claims you did something to a goat, you accuse their mother of being that goat, etc.

A lot of these issues would be solved if everyone just played nice with others, but that isn't the case.

*edit* Side note, a lot of the unofficial rules here are created by the Moderators without Theymos' say. At any point Theymos could decide, hey I don't like that, so thats not a rule anymore. Hence why a lot of them are unofficial.

My original point was that thule potentially may have got a raw deal, but at the same time plenty of people see red feedback for account trading and don't care. It didn't ruin their ability to conduct trade here or anything, it ruined their ability to conduct trade with people who think they are untrustworthy for buying an account.