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March 07, 2019, 09:23:53 PM
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Hélo everyone!
New to bitcoin gambling and seeking a website that doesn't make me wait for my money.
Can someone suggest a good site for me?
I also look for many ATP and WTA betting choices.
Je vous remercie!
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March 07, 2019, 10:57:02 PM
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Hélo everyone!
New to bitcoin gambling and seeking a website that doesn't make me wait for my money.
Can someone suggest a good site for me?
I also look for many ATP and WTA betting choices.
Je vous remercie!

As I know, sportsbet.io offers instant deposit as well as instant withdrawal. Surely, withdrawal can be made once your deposit has at least 3 confirmations IIRC. Sportsbet also provides many ATP and WTP betting choices, so you may check the site first to look whether the site suits your needs or not.

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March 08, 2019, 10:01:36 AM
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It depends what you mean with instant deposits and withdrawals! If you expect the bitcoins to be deposited to your betting account after a few seconds, that is not going to happen. You need to take into account that the transaction has to be included in a block and mined, which will depend on the fee that you use for that particular transaction. Same thing for withdrawals. 

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March 08, 2019, 10:06:43 AM
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Hélo everyone!
New to bitcoin gambling and seeking a website that doesn't make me wait for my money.
Can someone suggest a good site for me?
I also look for many ATP and WTA betting choices.
Je vous remercie!

A long term option may be tronbet.io
It is a new gambling website that you can place bets directly from your wallet (using a google chrome extension) and if you win, your balance is credited instantly. It is powered by a smart contract thus you will not be able to lose any money.
The project is now and I think they haven't still integrating sports betting but I think it may happen in the future.
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March 08, 2019, 10:16:35 AM
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Based on my research:

- Sportsbet
- Cloudbet
- Onehash

I recommend these websites for tennis betting. There is no such thing as instant deposits and withdrawals yet in the cryptocurrency gambling world as the posters above mentioned.

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March 08, 2019, 11:11:00 AM
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I guess every reputable gambling websites have an instant deposit and withdrawal. But for withdrawal, it will depend on the network itself because if the network were busy, the confirming of the transaction would take too long and no matter you want to see instant withdrawals, you need to wait until it gets confirmed.

Besides that, you still need to wait for a while, and you cannot expect the money will be arriving in your account in one second because you are not only one who make the transaction. People out there who make transaction will need to wait too like you, but once the transaction gets 1 confirming, you will see it will be credited to your balance.
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March 08, 2019, 12:01:30 PM
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I think almost every site has an instant deposit as you transfer your coin, it gets delivered after confirmation but for withdrawal, I think the site will take a little time to check on your withdrawal request and processing.
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March 08, 2019, 04:57:41 PM
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Based on my research:

- Sportsbet
Same as here, I've found that SportsBet.io was the #1 Bitcoin sportsbook but I checked the review lately. Most of them gave 5 stars for its instant deposits and withdrawals. Without any confirmations, you can actually withdraw and deposit from the said platform.

60 seconds was the approximate time for the person to receive his withdrawal directly to the wallet.

I'll be sharing you the link of the reviews.
http://bittrust.org/sportsbetio

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March 08, 2019, 05:07:46 PM
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It is very possible for instant deposit and withdraw in sportsbooks and that is after transactions confirmations.  If you said instant in cryptocurrencies you have to know that there is a process and until that process is complete the transaction is not complete.
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March 08, 2019, 05:34:28 PM
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Sportsbooks are rarely ever instant, you do not really get the official results as quickly as you might think, even on non-crypto places it takes a while before you are credited with your money. Hence, if you really want to find a place that is instant on results and withdrawals and such than you need to find a place that all of sports bettors are looking for not just you.

Moreover, if it is only withdrawals you are looking for nitrogen is the quickest I can remember, they give out in less than an hour which is best you can find in crypto sportsbooks, I know that is not instant but that is as quick as it gets around here. There are places with hours and hours of late withdrawals so having your money in less than an hour seems like a good deal compared to those.

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March 08, 2019, 06:16:50 PM
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Even if you take some specific "very low" delayed transaction's instant deposit and withdrawal site you won't get your cryptos till the network provides such transactions.

Sure some specific sites can just send them immediatly after your request but it will always depend on the network.

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March 08, 2019, 08:10:45 PM
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Based on my research:

- Sportsbet
Same as here, I've found that SportsBet.io was the #1 Bitcoin sportsbook but I checked the review lately. Most of them gave 5 stars for its instant deposits and withdrawals. Without any confirmations, you can actually withdraw and deposit from the said platform.

60 seconds was the approximate time for the person to receive his withdrawal directly to the wallet.

I'll be sharing you the link of the reviews.


Goodluck!

http://bittrust.org/sportsbetio

I clicked your link and it seems Sportsbet is the way to go if speed and wagering options sf a top priority.
Might try the in-game betting option, too.
Je vous remercie for all the suggestions but I think Sportsbet is where I'll be playing my tennis bets.
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March 08, 2019, 08:41:22 PM
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I think almost every site has an instant deposit as you transfer your coin, it gets delivered after confirmation but for withdrawal, I think the site will take a little time to check on your withdrawal request and processing.

Deposit credited to our account after confirmation is not something called by instant deposit. As per my understanding, instant deposit is where you do not need to wait for confirmation of our deposit. Not many sites offers this feature, although there were many sites had this feature but they decided to use normal deposit (wait for confirmation) because there were many double spend cases which made them lost some money.

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March 08, 2019, 09:05:26 PM
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I think almost every site has an instant deposit as you transfer your coin, it gets delivered after confirmation but for withdrawal, I think the site will take a little time to check on your withdrawal request and processing.

Deposit credited to our account after confirmation is not something called by instant deposit. As per my understanding, instant deposit is where you do not need to wait for confirmation of our deposit. Not many sites offers this feature, although there were many sites had this feature but they decided to use normal deposit (wait for confirmation) because there were many double spend cases which made them lost some money.


Many thank you for the explanation.  My deposit of 200 mbtc was ready to bet about 10 seconds after i sent it from my Blockchain wallet.
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March 08, 2019, 09:32:25 PM
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I personally use Sportsbet and had not issues with instant deposit and withdrawals. As soon as the bitcoin leaves my wallet it appears in Sportsbet account, same thing with withdraw. Their betting offer includes ATP and WTA tournaments, and you will find the basic bets that you can find on every other sportsbook.
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March 08, 2019, 10:09:33 PM
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I have been using sportsbet as my goto website to bet on sports but want to see if there are any others which have the speed and efficiency of their deposits but more importantly the no hassle of doing a withdrawal once you request one. Meaning not having them ask for kyc aml verification if your winnings become over a certain amount like 2 btc. As if I will ever get close to this amount with my micro bets. Embarrassed
But if I ever do get to this point dont want it to be a pain in the butt to try withdraw winnings.
Have looked at two other books in the last little while so wanted to get some kind of feedback for experience with these other sites.
Anybody use bitcoinrush and have this sort of thing happen to them with them asking for any verification at a certain point with them?

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March 09, 2019, 07:47:58 AM
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Well every gamer wants instant withdraw and also instant deposit but not all sportsbook can offer that features
Probably you can try out the one on my signature
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March 10, 2019, 04:20:47 AM
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My advice for you as a new bitcoin gambler is to first of all look for a trustworthy and site that have good reputation before been concerned about the one that will give you quick withdrawal, I am very sure if you were in search for reputable sites, you would have realized that what makes most of them stand out is the ability to give instant withdrawal.

Well, I would recommend onehash, cloudbet and sportbet. You can do more research of on these sites and make your best choice. Wish you good luck!
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March 10, 2019, 04:26:31 AM
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Nitrogensports, sportsbet and cloudbet have ATP and WTA betting choices but most of them need to wait until 1 confirmation on bitcoin deposit. It's not too long imo, maybe like 5-30 minutes to get 1 confirmation.

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March 10, 2019, 04:33:33 AM
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I would recommend sportsbet, they have the feature you are looking.
Withdrawal and deposits are both instant, at my range maybe but I don't know if big amounts like BTC1 or over.


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March 10, 2019, 04:56:44 AM
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I would recommend sportsbet, they have the feature you are looking.
Withdrawal and deposits are both instant, at my range maybe but I don't know if big amounts like BTC1 or over.

Sportsbet will be a good choice to start as that site is one of the websites that have a good reputation. But for deposit and withdraw, he still needs to wait for a while, but I guess that it will not takes too long. I think he should remember that the transaction cannot get an instant confirming because it depends on how big the traffic in the network.
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March 10, 2019, 06:18:23 AM
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There are so many gambling and sport betting website that allow for instant deposits and also instant withdrawal most of the new betting site have that features, but you should also know that each transactions on the blockchain have to go through at list 3 confirmations before your transactions will be push through.
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March 11, 2019, 01:13:42 PM
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Based on my research:

- Sportsbet
- Cloudbet
- Onehash

I recommend these websites for tennis betting. There is no such thing as instant deposits and withdrawals yet in the cryptocurrency gambling world as the posters above mentioned.

I do not really recommend two of it, sportbet and cloudbet sure have this promotions and events going on and I can say it is really droolling but overall they always have some issues on their site so I would not really recommend to play there. I would suggest to play on nitrogensport which is really standard with the current situation right now, others of this, I do not recommend it at all
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March 11, 2019, 01:24:09 PM
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Based on my research:

- Sportsbet
- Cloudbet
- Onehash

I recommend these websites for tennis betting. There is no such thing as instant deposits and withdrawals yet in the cryptocurrency gambling world as the posters above mentioned.

I do not really recommend two of it, sportbet and cloudbet sure have this promotions and events going on and I can say it is really droolling but overall they always have some issues on their site so I would not really recommend to play there. I would suggest to play on nitrogensport which is really standard with the current situation right now, others of this, I do not recommend it at all

Agreed, nitrogensports is the recommended one imo, and i rarely heard a scam case from nitrogensports users. Onehash is the worst one, they offer ridiculous low odds compared with other books, this is my opinion.

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March 11, 2019, 03:00:56 PM
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..a simple advice for you as a newbie,,before getting involve on many gambling site and deposit a huge amount of money,you'll need to research more which site do you think is the best place to gamble..it is good that you seek advice to the people on this forum and the veterance in gambling which will actually give you the best gambling site they prefer..I am not a good gambler,but i will recommend to you sportsbet..but it is up to you which gambling site is the best that satisfies what you need..

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March 11, 2019, 07:07:21 PM
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There are so many gambling and sport betting website that allow for instant deposits and also instant withdrawal most of the new betting site have that features, but you should also know that each transactions on the blockchain have to go through at list 3 confirmations before your transactions will be push through.

Sportsbet is the only site I have found with 0 confirmations deposits and instant withdrawals.
The 0 confirmations on deposits is perfect so I can place last minute punts.
Instant withdrawals are perfect since I dont like waiting for my money.
Am I missing any other one?

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March 12, 2019, 02:14:11 PM
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Well every gamer wants instant withdraw and also instant deposit but not all sportsbook can offer that features
Probably you can try out the one on my signature
Yeah that’s true but to the best of my knowledge most of the sport book sites allows instant deposit as soon as coin is transferred but the challenge is usually with withdrawal as not all allows instant withdrawal. I think it will be more preferable for you to give a breakdown of what features yours have to give and be convincing enough to make me or any interested member try it out rather than the idea of trying out.
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March 12, 2019, 02:31:05 PM
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FYI, Sportsbet is also giving a 6 mBTC (0.006 Btc) free bet if you can place a bet of BTC0.002

https://sportsbet.io/promotions/welcome-offer-mb-30

^ Link to that offer and it is only applicable over first bet.
I have shared this because Sportsbet is the answer to your question as it allows instant withdrawals (max 30 minutes for me) so if you have not registered yet, this free bet can actually help you play with 3x your deposit. Don't lose this and take full advantage of this information which none gave you here. Wink
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April 18, 2019, 07:07:17 AM
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There are so many sites which are allow instant deposits and instant withdrawals exist in crypto sportsbooks. Stake.com also gives instant deposits and withdrawals, I think almost every sites gives instant deposits and withdrawals. Now It's available all most every sites where users are gets instant deposits and withdrawals.
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April 18, 2019, 07:12:06 AM
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I would recommend sportsbet, they have the feature you are looking.
Withdrawal and deposits are both instant, at my range maybe but I don't know if big amounts like BTC1 or over.

Sportsbet will be a good choice to start as that site is one of the websites that have a good reputation. But for deposit and withdraw, he still needs to wait for a while, but I guess that it will not takes too long. I think he should remember that the transaction cannot get an instant confirming because it depends on how big the traffic in the network.
When we say of instant, you don't have to wait for anything, it's very fast as it's process by the system automatically.
Although this does not affect our winning rate in gambling, but this is a good feature that would definitely attract gamblers, and they might stay.

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These 3 books come close to meeting your requirements.

Nitrogen    A+ : deposits 1 confirmation, withdrawals 15 minutes.
Betcoin     A   : deposits 1 confirmation, withdrawals 15 minutes.
Sportsbet  D- : deposits 0 confirmations, withdrawals instant. In some cases after KYC information is submitted and reviewed.

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April 18, 2019, 08:48:47 AM
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Most of the gambling site's have instant deposits and withdrawal as they have an upgraded machine that process they transactions and sportbet.io is one of them which I have tried out personally. Just take your Time to try as many as you can they all have similar process of deposits and withdrawal.
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April 18, 2019, 09:05:55 AM
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I would like to say that the suggestion from user Haunebu is actually half correct. He said onehash, but he said that it is not instant, but this is not true for withdrawal. Deposits are available after 1 confirmation,,, but withdrawal is processed immediately to the address you choose, but ONLY after the bet is settled,,, so it is not like you have to withdraw, winnings are automatically sent but only after settlement.

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April 18, 2019, 09:06:49 AM
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Hélo everyone!
New to bitcoin gambling and seeking a website that doesn't make me wait for my money.
Can someone suggest a good site for me?
I also look for many ATP and WTA betting choices.
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Why don't you want to wait for a while? No such service can send and receive instantly even in our real life without any of waiting time. We need to wait for a while, and maybe it's less than 5 minutes while you can do another thing to wait for the balance. I think in all website, there is a waiting time to see the transaction getting confirmed from the network so whether you like or not, you still need to be patient to wait.
It doesn't matter if you are waiting for less than 5 minutes because you could still play after your deposit arrives in your account.
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April 18, 2019, 12:49:07 PM
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There are so many sites which are allow instant deposits and instant withdrawals exist in crypto sportsbooks. Stake.com also gives instant deposits and withdrawals, I think almost every sites gives instant deposits and withdrawals. Now It's available all most every sites where users are gets instant deposits and withdrawals.

Op is looking for a sportsbook site and not a typical casino site. Stake is not a sportsbook site. Although they do have instant deposit and withdrawal.



I would like to say that the suggestion from user Haunebu is actually half correct. He said onehash, but he said that it is not instant, but this is not true for withdrawal. Deposits are available after 1 confirmation,,, but withdrawal is processed immediately to the address you choose, but ONLY after the bet is settled,,, so it is not like you have to withdraw, winnings are automatically sent but only after settlement.

In a sportsbook site, the bet has to be settled first before it can be sent to the user who won. There is some aspect that is needed to be cleared in a game before the whole match can be called.
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April 18, 2019, 01:21:49 PM
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I don't want to suggest any sportsbook that you can place bets. I will only give you an advice that before you use any of the sportsbook suggested by posters in here is to investigate or compare each sportsbook to match what you are looking for. Since you are looking for an instant withdrawal and deposit so choose the fastest deposit/withdrawal of your money in any of the sportsbooks suggested in here like sportsbet, cloudbet and more. Good luck finding op.

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April 18, 2019, 02:20:14 PM
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I would recommend sportsbet, they have the feature you are looking.
Withdrawal and deposits are both instant, at my range maybe but I don't know if big amounts like BTC1 or over.

Sportsbet will be a good choice to start as that site is one of the websites that have a good reputation. But for deposit and withdraw, he still needs to wait for a while, but I guess that it will not takes too long. I think he should remember that the transaction cannot get an instant confirming because it depends on how big the traffic in the network.
When we say of instant, you don't have to wait for anything, it's very fast as it's process by the system automatically.
Although this does not affect our winning rate in gambling, but this is a good feature that would definitely attract gamblers, and they might stay.
No matter the site says of instant, we still need to wait at least one minutes or so especially if we want to deposit bitcoin. You already know that when we send bitcoin to the other wallet, we should wait for a while, right? Unless he uses high fee for making the transaction. So there is no instant for me because I don't think that when I click send, it will directly appear on the destination wallet address.
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April 18, 2019, 02:37:07 PM
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Earlier directbet support instant deposit and the payment automatically gets credited to the wallet where we wish to receive our winning funds. Even with that there is need for confirmation of the transaction which assure the instant fund into and out of the wallet. These days with the inbuilt wallet on gambling websites the transactions were done instantly but the same takes time on getting reflected on the wallet.

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April 18, 2019, 02:40:36 PM
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I would recommend sportsbet, they have the feature you are looking.
Withdrawal and deposits are both instant, at my range maybe but I don't know if big amounts like BTC1 or over.

Sportsbet will be a good choice to start as that site is one of the websites that have a good reputation. But for deposit and withdraw, he still needs to wait for a while, but I guess that it will not takes too long. I think he should remember that the transaction cannot get an instant confirming because it depends on how big the traffic in the network.
When we say of instant, you don't have to wait for anything, it's very fast as it's process by the system automatically.
Although this does not affect our winning rate in gambling, but this is a good feature that would definitely attract gamblers, and they might stay.
No matter the site says of instant, we still need to wait at least one minutes or so especially if we want to deposit bitcoin. You already know that when we send bitcoin to the other wallet, we should wait for a while, right? Unless he uses high fee for making the transaction. So there is no instant for me because I don't think that when I click send, it will directly appear on the destination wallet address.
Well, you should consider the time frame of waiting when we say instant that's just mean that it won't take an hour for you to wait. It doesn't mean you have to accurately get it on time when you have done clicking the button to withdraw or deposit for instance. Using high fees also will take more than a minute depending on how big was the crypto being sent.

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April 18, 2019, 04:25:56 PM
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I would recommend sportsbet, they have the feature you are looking.
Withdrawal and deposits are both instant, at my range maybe but I don't know if big amounts like BTC1 or over.

Sportsbet will be a good choice to start as that site is one of the websites that have a good reputation. But for deposit and withdraw, he still needs to wait for a while, but I guess that it will not takes too long. I think he should remember that the transaction cannot get an instant confirming because it depends on how big the traffic in the network.
When we say of instant, you don't have to wait for anything, it's very fast as it's process by the system automatically.
Although this does not affect our winning rate in gambling, but this is a good feature that would definitely attract gamblers, and they might stay.
No matter the site says of instant, we still need to wait at least one minutes or so especially if we want to deposit bitcoin. You already know that when we send bitcoin to the other wallet, we should wait for a while, right? Unless he uses high fee for making the transaction. So there is no instant for me because I don't think that when I click send, it will directly appear on the destination wallet address.
Well, you should consider the time frame of waiting when we say instant that's just mean that it won't take an hour for you to wait. It doesn't mean you have to accurately get it on time when you have done clicking the button to withdraw or deposit for instance. Using high fees also will take more than a minute depending on how big was the crypto being sent.
Exactly, that is what I mention before. So we still need to wait for a minute, right? The time for the confirming of the transaction will take longer if the network is busy with a huge number of transaction and we still need to wait for a long even if we use a high fee. So no matter it is, as long as we could be patient for a while to see the balance will arrive in our account.
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April 18, 2019, 04:48:02 PM
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All depends on your instant. If you think instant is a deposit and a quick withdrawal then you can't use bitcoin to gamble because a bitcoin transaction requires a confirmation that later it will be given a transaction seal in a block, I can't explain further maybe you can read how blockchain technology work. Although many bitcoin gambling sites offer deposit and transaction setup which is, in fact, different if you want to do sports gambling then I can recommend the sportsbet.io site.
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April 18, 2019, 05:16:59 PM
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I honestly believed for a long time that the double spending thing was done with and bitcoin managed to stop it with some improvements.

However looking at casinos and sportsbooks and the amount of instant betting that is requested and many people complaining their instant deposit wins are not being processed I can see that its not yet fixed for everything. Obviously you may not do double spending in many places related to bitcoin because most of them wait for the confirmation now but sportsbooks and casinos are still vulnerable.

I am sorry but if you can't wait until your deposit is confirmed until you can withdraw your money than more often than not you are looking to scam the casinos and that is not something acceptable, all you have to do is waiting for confirmation and if you do not wait for it than you are not going to get it simple as that.

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April 18, 2019, 07:17:15 PM
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Most crypto casino and sportsbook I know does not have instant deposits and instant withdrawals. But I know bitsler has only 1 confirmation in deposits. And most casinos and sportsbook are withdrawn manually by the team that runs the casino/sportsbook.

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April 19, 2019, 07:50:37 AM
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Yes in this time every top rated sites are gives the opportunity to instant deposits and withdrawals. This now all most common thing that well reputed sites are allow instant deposit and withdrawals. I can suggest you some well reputed sites which are gives instant deposit and withdrawals these are
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April 19, 2019, 08:20:35 PM
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Yes in this time every top rated sites are gives the opportunity to instant deposits and withdrawals. This now all most common thing that well reputed sites are allow instant deposit and withdrawals. I can suggest you some well reputed sites which are gives instant deposit and withdrawals these are
Stake.com
Cloudbet
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First of all you shouldn't suggest Stake in this case as Stake is not sportsbook, you may suggest it once they add it (as I heard they plan to add sportsbook). Secondly, only Sportsbet has instant deposit while the other you mentioned requires 1 confirmation for the deposit to be credited on the account.

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August 07, 2019, 04:58:00 AM
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Sportsbet is still the only site I have found with 0 confirmations deposits and instant withdraws.
After I send my BTC, I am betting in a matter of seconds.
Withdraws take under 5 minutes every time and often less then that.
I think this is the closest thing to "instant" in all of bitcoin gambling,
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August 07, 2019, 03:23:27 PM
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Is there really a site that wouldn't make a customer to wait especially in withdrawals. I think is really more noticed in withdrawal because people are impatient to see their gains or profit while the site is either trying to ensure they don't make a mistake or they are expecting someone to change their mind and bet with the money....  Roll Eyes
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August 07, 2019, 10:43:41 PM
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Is there really a site that wouldn't make a customer to wait especially in withdrawals. I think is really more noticed in withdrawal because people are impatient to see their gains or profit while the site is either trying to ensure they don't make a mistake or they are expecting someone to change their mind and bet with the money....  Roll Eyes
There is, like what I've mentioned above, sportsbet offers that instant withdrawals as long as your deposits are already confirmed, and they don't charge your any everytime you withdraw.

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August 08, 2019, 02:02:02 AM
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Most crypto casino and sportsbook I know does not have instant deposits and instant withdrawals. But I know bitsler has only 1 confirmation in deposits. And most casinos and sportsbook are withdrawn manually by the team that runs the casino/sportsbook.
I don't think 1 confirmation deposit can be said to be instant. As far as I know that instant deposit if we send BTC to the casino site it will directly be credited without waiting for confirmation. Also Bitsler is not a sportsbook, for sportsbook who accept instant deposit you can try Sportsbet.

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August 08, 2019, 03:21:44 AM
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I don't think 1 confirmation deposit can be said to be instant. As far as I know that instant deposit if we send BTC to the casino site it will directly be credited without waiting for confirmation. Also Bitsler is not a sportsbook, for sportsbook who accept instant deposit you can try Sportsbet.

yes , the name says it  . 1 confirmation means you will still need to wait for a 1 confirmation before the coins can be fully transaferred but instant means it doesnt have any waiting .  there are sites that promise instant deposits but what if you are using a cheap/slow wallet and you are using a small fee ? i think it will still take alot of time in order for the amount to be credited  but in the case of instant withdrawals  ,i think thats true because the casino might use a higher fees .
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I would recommend sportsbet, they have the feature you are looking.
Withdrawal and deposits are both instant, at my range maybe but I don't know if big amounts like BTC1 or over.
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