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March 15, 2019, 01:44:29 PM
Last edit: March 15, 2019, 11:44:50 PM by frodocooper
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I was checking out Pangolin to see when more M10's would be available and to my surprise they had the M20 listed. This miner is only listed on Pangolinminer.com, nothing on the manufacturer website either. Most notably these miners are using 12nm chip size and are available for pre-order Shipping before May 20,2019.

The specs has 2 models:

48TH/S (+-5%) @ 2300W (+-10%)   for $1450 USD             Or                     58TH/S (+-5%)   @ 3300W (+- 10%)   for 1500 USD

I must say the numbers look great especially the 48TH model. I am kind of surprised they aren't mentioned on any other sites.

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March 15, 2019, 01:54:26 PM
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Pretty sure it is real and they are taking preorders.

I may be getting both models to do YouTube videos.

I have been taking with them about it.

It is 12nm not 7nm which means they may  have 1 more upgrade in say six-seven months.

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March 15, 2019, 03:10:59 PM
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This is cool news.

As I mentioned in the M10 thread,
I might be able to get a demo and write a review for the M20.

I will keep you guys posted!

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March 15, 2019, 03:15:36 PM
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I am a bit surprised at how much of an incremental upgrade this is.

M10S = 55TH  @ 3400w
M20   = 58TH  @ 3300w

Considering its a new chip the upgrade seems rather marginal
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March 15, 2019, 03:25:06 PM
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I am a bit surprised at how much of an incremental upgrade this is.

M10S = 55TH  @ 3400w
M20   = 58TH  @ 3300w

Considering its a new chip the upgrade seems rather marginal

the m10 to m20 is huge

m10  31th  2300watts
m20  48th  2300watts

but the

m10s  55th 3400watts
m20?  58th 3300watts

is not much

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March 15, 2019, 03:25:55 PM
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To me @ the 58THs mark it rather depends on how many chips are used in it vs the M10S.
Compared to the M10-31 or 33 the M20-48 is a substantial improvement in speed/power.

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March 15, 2019, 03:31:42 PM
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That's why I mentioned the S model, which doesnt have a low power mode to compare.

Personally I think they shouldnt even sell the higher speed version with the last 10TH costing 1000w.
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March 15, 2019, 03:32:39 PM
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I asked for both models to compare.

I think we will be going with 10-30 m20 48th short term

and maybe 50-100 m20's long term.

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March 15, 2019, 04:46:49 PM
Last edit: March 16, 2019, 03:28:16 PM by Steamtyme
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Nice well I look forward to seeing reviews and videos of the gear. I only mentioned that it was only on the Pangolin site, so people knew where to look, I'll have to link it later not sure why I didn't. I definitely believe in the gear and will probably break my rule of ordering first batch gear.

The other bonus that I forgot to mention is there PSU is still rated up to 264 V.  I probably would have been crushed if they had gone to 240 V max.

It's funny that comment about a jump to 7nm has me wondering what they can do next considering how they're killing it with these older chips. I wonder if they skip 10 and go right to 7nm.

Personally I think they shouldnt even sell the higher speed version with the last 10TH costing 1000w.

I agree I kept thinking I was reading it wrong or that maybe it was a typo in the fresh numbers they posted.

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March 15, 2019, 05:04:05 PM
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It's funny that comment about a jump to 7nm has me wondering what they can do next considering how they're killing it with these older chips. I wonder if they skip 10 and go right to 7nm.

I would not call them 'older chips', it is just that the 16/14nm node process is fully mature and well characterized which means fully developed design rules leading to more predictable specs and much better & repeatable yields. The 12/10nm node has been in use long enough with enough chip production under its belt to be called a nearly-mature process. On top of that, the work being done on the 7nm node also pays huge dividends to advance the higher node production methods.

The 7nm node is still very much a work-in-progress for all Foundries. Even Intel has (again) pushed back on marketing the 7nm node.

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March 15, 2019, 05:19:51 PM
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yeah  they are rocking the 12nm at 48th and 2300 watts  which will be full speed

if they can do efficiency setting on the m20 like the m10

21th 1265 watts
31th 2300 watts

21/31 =  .677  x 48th = 32.5th

32.5th at 1265 watts = 39 watts a th on efficient speed
48th   at 2300 watts =  48 watts a th

on the 12nm

what this means is very good for the 48th model

who know what the 58th model will do on lower setting

and still the 7nm in 6-8 months

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March 15, 2019, 05:30:21 PM
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Exciting but interesting. I think I'm in fanactic's camp with the model numbering and spec seems like a m10s. Odd to have a 10th difference for 50USD. Maybe they don't want to pay my consulting fee for marketing, then they can get here free along with some import/export advice. Then I still hope the 48th unit has a efficiency mode nice though to have some product coming and put pressure on for competition. I'll probably always favor the bold.

Edit: looking at pricing it'll still be far under Innosilicon T3 with duties/tariffs.

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March 15, 2019, 05:38:54 PM
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on paper the m20 at 48th looks very good for those with higher power cost.

the m20 58th is a question mark?  as to whom it fits.

I guess the bull miner.  If it costs 50 usd more and coins go up in price  it is a lot of hash for 50 usd.

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March 15, 2019, 05:53:30 PM
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Yea, then hoping for efficiency modes then the 58T is probably the stronger buy, though both look good.

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March 15, 2019, 07:30:04 PM
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Note these will be subject to the trump tax if USA based.

The tax is based on the import date, not the purchase date.  So perhaps this could be a gamble that the trade issues will be resolved by then.  Wink

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I'll have more details posted online soon.
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March 15, 2019, 09:18:51 PM
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The tax is based on the import date, not the purchase date.  So perhaps this could be a gamble that the trade issues will be resolved by then.  Wink

I have heard some rumors it may end  April 1 who knows.

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March 15, 2019, 10:49:06 PM
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The expiry for current talks with China will end this month I believe. So it will either have resolution, current 10% tariff rates don't increase to 25%, or 25% added tariff on all Chinese imports.

Regardless this batch is priced well. The only issue buyers might face would be MicroBT wanting pull move like they did with the D1 late last year. I wouldn't gamble on COGs and prep for the worst. We're hoping for a good bulk pricing then if tariffs drop that only enhances our buyers positions and savings. Still the skeptic in me doesn't think much will come out of current political powers.

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March 16, 2019, 01:44:56 AM
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So, the M20 miner that is listed on the pango website is a pre-order, but the MicroBT factory has not even set a price yet, nor have they officially announced the product. I highly doubt the miner will be available for mass production until end of May or beginning of June. People will receive "demo" or "review" miners, sure, but any company right now pre-selling the M20 is doing so outside of MicroBT's knowledge or approval.

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March 16, 2019, 05:31:59 AM
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Well if that's the case than pangolin is sacrificing their reputation. It's where we source, no matter who we email or wechat with on mircobt's end. So far.

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