Whatsminer M20 is announced and available for pre-order

[Apprentice]

is this for real?
pic shows it is the same size format, yet pushing 72T and at 3312W.

[philipma1957]

No one knows  but if it is it will be a monster.
In theory I will get multiple  demos  do multiple videos on youtube.
I pay for the demos and have done this for the M3 and the M10.

So you have 2 options

1) wait for the demos so you have an idea what they do.    to do this you must not let FOMO rule you
2) gamble and preorder now. just say fuck it and obey FOMO

Based on the last years from 2013 to now 2019

there were a few godlike preorders:

the first avalon was a great preorder.
the first knc was a great preorder.

I think there must have been 40 bad preorders.
So many bad ones it is hard to count them all.

[offordscott]

And, of course, my previous post got deleted.

So, batch 1 for July delivery is sold out.

Now it’s batch 2, for August delivery.

It appears that if I mention the *.net website or any price, my replies get deleted by a moderator.

I won't include the pricing for the M20 series miners here, but I'll at least show you that I can offer discounts on bulk orders through the distributor that you all know I represent.

50+ units: $___ off per unit
75+ units: $___ off per unit
100+ units: $___ off per unit
500+ units: $___ off per unit
1000 units: $___ off per unit

You know where to find me. If I mention anything else, I fear this post will also get deleted.

[fccs]

Yea this preorder shit is getting ridiculous.  August?  Seriously.  At this point might as well wait to see what the s17 pro is from bitmain.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

@offordscott, of course it gets deleted/moved. Being marketing information for your business that info belongs in <drum roll please> the Marketplace...

As for the drawn-out pre-order: No way am I doing that! While I have faith that the M20 will come in on-spec or at least close to it, after Canaan's A9xx flub I'd rather wait to see what the M20 actually does.

[offordscott]

Alright. Since this thread is located in the mining speculation forum now, the rumors are that pango might be in trouble financially or legally. Sorry, I can not substantiate the claim at this time. Just hearsay at this time.

On a different note, I'm guessing someone like F2Pool bought up the July Batch 1 of the M20 series miners. It wasn't Pango and it wasn't DJ Technologies, that's for sure.

What other rumors are you guys hearing?

[HagssFIN]

Scott,
Please put some reputable source for that claim.

Because you are also a reseller,
and you are kind of a challengeable in this case,
because such rumours mean more money for you.

[philipma1957]

@offordscott, of course it gets deleted/moved. Being marketing information for your business that info belongs in <drum roll please> the Marketplace...

As for the drawn-out pre-order: No way am I doing that! While I have faith that the M20 will come in on-spec or at least close to it, after Canaan's A9xx flub I'd rather wait to see what the M20 actually does.

Yeah  waiting game is the way to go.

And, of course, my previous post got deleted.

So, batch 1 for July delivery is sold out.

Now it’s batch 2, for August delivery.

It appears that if I mention the *.net website or any price, my replies get deleted by a moderator.

I won't include the pricing for the M20 series miners here, but I'll at least show you that I can offer discounts on bulk orders through the distributor that you all know I represent.

50+ units: $___ off per unit
75+ units: $___ off per unit
100+ units: $___ off per unit
500+ units: $___ off per unit
1000 units: $___ off per unit

You know where to find me. If I mention anything else, I fear this post will also get deleted.

Alright. Since this thread is located in the mining speculation forum now, the rumors are that pango might be in trouble financially or legally. Sorry, I can not substantiate the claim at this time. Just hearsay at this time.

On a different note, I'm guessing someone like F2Pool bought up the July Batch 1 of the M20 series miners. It wasn't Pango and it wasn't DJ Technologies, that's for sure.

What other rumors are you guys hearing?

There is no question that offordscott of whatsminer is a rival to pangolinminer.

Fuzzy brings up that offord is listing his prices so it is a marketplace post which is why posts are getting deleted.
no one working for pangolinminer brings up the prices on the pangolin thread so they are staying.

If a mod can confirm this is what is happening either here or in pm's maybe we can get it sorted out.

[minefarmbuy]

I can confirm as our posts get deleted as well pending sale content.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Fuzzy brings up that offord is listing his prices so it is a marketplace post which is why posts are getting deleted.
no one working for pangolinminer brings up the prices on the pangolin thread so they are staying.

Ja. Best thing for Scott to do regarding sales is just use the sig space to provide links to his site like minefarmbuy does. As long as the post itself is on-topic and useful his post should be safe.

Something that would be interesting to find out is the exact relationships between microBT, Whatsminer, and Pangolinminer. Who actually owns the design? Who backs the production of the miners? Something miner owners who bought through Pango have to have noticed is that the sides of our miners have 2 large sticky areas where labels used to be - were those Whatsminer labels?

[OgNasty]

1)wait for the demos so you have an idea what they do.    to do this you must not let FOMO rule you
2)gamble and preorder now. just say fuck it and obey FOMO

I think the choice depends on what you're spending to purchase.  If you're spending USD, any order seems like a smart move.  If you're spending BTC, I think you'll likely be sad when you see what they're reselling for once they've been released.

[offordscott]

MicroBT, Whatsminer, and Pangolinminer.

As I've stated many times before.... MicroBT is the Manufacturer.

• Pango is a distributor of MicroBT WhatsMiner products.
• DJ Technologies is a distributor of MicroBT WhatsMiner products.
• WhatsMiner.net is an authorized agent of DJ Technologies.

Ja. Best thing for Scott to do regarding sales is just use the sig space to provide links to his site like minefarmbuy does. As long as the post itself is on-topic and useful his post should be safe.

I only have 149 posts in BTC TALK forum. I am not allowed to have a signature space yet.

[Steamtyme]

Multiposting will not help your problem. If you plan on continuing to use this forum as a platform for sales you may want to review some of the guidelines. While also informing yourself on what your rank can do and what options you have.

Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?) See signature resrtictions. You as a jr. member can have one.
You may also want to look into copper membership

I honestly have no issue with you or any other sales reps here, but complaining about moderation when you do the same thing over and over isn't going to help. Neither is trying to spread information about the competition in this way; conveniently done around pre-order time. Here are threads for Whatsminer.net and Pangolinminer.com. I would suggest any further discussion not centered around the miners themselves be moved to these service discussion threads. Feel free to let me know if I have any errors in the basic information I put there.

I think the choice depends on what you're spending to purchase.  If you're spending USD, any order seems like a smart move.  If you're spending BTC, I think you'll likely be sad when you see what they're reselling for once they've been released.

I didn't feel great depleting my reserves for hardware but I'm also an advocate for spending BTC as often as the opportunity presents itself. I'm not sold on the long preorder using BTC, but for me it will be cheaper to buy some coin and then order than it would be to use a wire transfer. As long as I continue to accumulate in between, I won't be sad in a few months if the price has risen and it seems I've over-payed for my gear.

[philipma1957]

Ja. Best thing for Scott to do regarding sales is just use the sig space to provide links to his site like minefarmbuy does. As long as the post itself is on-topic and useful his post should be safe.

Something that would be interesting to find out is the exact relationships between microBT, Whatsminer, and Pangolinminer. Who actually owns the design? Who backs the production of the miners? Something miner owners who bought through Pango have to have noticed is that the sides of our miners have 2 large sticky areas where labels used to be - were those Whatsminer labels?

some of mine have labels
some of mine have sticky sides labels removed.

If I was to preorder and I will not preorder I would want to use btc purchased with cash via my bank account.
Or use PayPal with a six month to pay option 0 interest if paid in six months.

My current setup in Clifton costs me no money for mining. Is costs me gear.
I have it filled with a mix of new and old gear.
A lot of m10's I have zero need to preorder m20's for July delivery.
I am better off using old s9's.
If I end up with a lot more  old s9's okay.
If I buy no gear for 6 months okay.

I am at
 546 th in Clifton
   41 th on west coast.
   50 th in my garage
   23 th t15 on the way

By next week the Clifton setup will have  596th maybe 620th  and maybe 8.5 gh for ltc.

½ that for the power deal

I have 310th and 4.2gh for free power.

A preorder of any  big size is dumb.
I will wait to see what pangolin tells me about the M20 demos I  hope I get them. If Offordscott is right I may not.

[Artemis3]

is this for real?
pic shows it is the same size format, yet pushing 72T and at 3312W.

This is probably the M20S which is larger, just like the M10S (55T) is: 140mm vs 120mm fans/tunnel.

Given the asics are now 12nm vs 16nm, it sounds quite logical, considering the regular unit (M20) is 48T.

Will they go 10nm and 7nm nodes down the line? I'll be expecting the M30 and M40 then!

[NotFuzzyWarm]

... Will they go 10nm and 7nm nodes down the line? I'll be expecting the M30 and M40 then!

10nm is a no go as that is just Samsung's version of TSMC's 12nm process (just as 14nm is Samsung's version of TSMC's 16nm). There would simply be no significant gain to justify the process R&D needed.

7nm? Eventually by the end of the year -- maybe.

[philipma1957]

10nm is a no go as that is just Samsung's version of TSMC's 12nm process (just as 14nm is Samsung's version of TSMC's 16nm). There would simply be no significant gain to justify the process R&D needed.

7nm? Eventually by the end of the year -- maybe.

well  a 7nm doing 100th and 3100 watts by Jan 1 2020

maybe more like preorder by that date and a working model by April 2 2020  which would be in time for the next ½ ing .

I spoke with pangolin via telegram and they will have a 72th model for me to test as an engineer model

maybe by may 15th.  I will be paying for it but get a discount maybe 5-10% off and of course may shipping.

I will post more info on this soon.

[fccs]

well  a 7nm doing 100th and 3100 watts by Jan 1 2020

maybe more like preorder by that date and a working model by April 2 2020  which would be in time for the next ½ ing .

I spoke with pangolin via telegram and they will have a 72th model for me to test as an engineer model

maybe by may 15th.  I will be paying for it but get a discount maybe 5-10% off and of course may shipping.

I will post more info on this soon.

Yea seriously, to the 100th model lol.  I can see that happening for next year.

[philipma1957]

Yea seriously, to the 100th model lol.  I can see that happening for next year

For years people have said it will be all industrial miners. Looks like it will happen with these monster 3100 watt models.

[Artemis3]

For years people have said it will be all industrial miners. Looks like it will happen with these monster 3100 watt models.

480v PSU when? Oh wait, Canaan did release a product with such PSU attached to several units didn't they?