Whatsminer M20 is announced and available for pre-order

[HagssFIN]

@Artemis3
OT, but if you mean the Moose,
It has a 3-phase electrical power input, yes,
but it is furtherbdivided to single phase circuits (one line, one neutral, one ground).

It has regular Sorcerer PSUs installed as far as I know?

[minefarmbuy]

I just can't wait till more people run their own servers at home. More than a year off for that though.

Though my hobby mine is only 48th, one newer model will replace all those. One model potentially could double that next year. A 72th unit at the price Pango had is a steal.

[offordscott]

Thanks. I've added more details to the WhatsMiner-specific service discussion thread.

Here are threads for Whatsminer.net and Pangolinminer.com.

I would suggest any further discussion not centered around the miners themselves be moved to these service discussion threads.

[sarcheer]

Scott just provided an estimated shipping date of end of August for batch 2:

Batch 2 for end of August delivery, bulk pricing for the M20 series miners is as follows:

Model	TH/s	Power	W/TH	USD Price	Cost Per TH
M20v1	48TH/s	2200W	46W/TH	$1,390	~$28.95/TH
M20v2	58TH/s	3364W	58W/TH	$1,485	~$25.60/TH
M20S	72TH/s	3312W	46W/TH	$2,160	~$30.00/TH

[rifleman74]

August? Kiss that one goodbye.

[HagssFIN]

Good news.
First look at the M20S 68 Th/s model is now available,
as a video was posted recently by Pangolinminer.

68 Th/s and a 3300 W power consumption.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5131412.0

Hi Everyone,

First M20S demo unit have been launched yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jk0Xhyb4Fs

Specification are below:

Hashrate :68TH/s ~ 74TH/s (still tuning,final version will be at least 68TH/S)
Power Consumption : 3300W~3500W

Chips : TSMC 12nm FINFET

Weight Around 12.7KG

Lead time of first batch will be 2019/8/5 ~ 2019/8/25


Preorder will be available today with below link:

https://pangolinminer.com/product/whatsminer-m20-series/


For the client who order 72TH/s version,

We will compensate you the USD or BTC for the difference of hashrate,

Or it can be turned into more miners.

Compensate will be made after final version of the M20s is released. (During 2019/5/10~5/20).

[offordscott]

Prototypes of the new generation of WhatsMiner mining machines.

These specs will be further refined and improved in the coming weeks.

Video of M20S: https://t.me/WhatsMiner/815

M20S: 68.4T @ 48.45W/T

Video of M21: https://t.me/WhatsMiner/813

M21: 30.5T @ 58.75W/T

[philipma1957]

I will need to look at videos

[Steamtyme]

Just replying to you offordscott.

This will be deleted too as it's off - topic.

Pretty sure if you just add to your last post - which was quoted in the deleted post a link to the other site or even that small extra bit of info about 80% down 20% before shipping.

The problem is it looks spammy when you are  cross posting between the 2 threads with just quoting from one to the other.

It's also because you are a sales rep, so it is a bit different than the average user posting links.


I watched the videos and couldn't get a good idea of the noise level. Has anyone seen tested db readings?

I know it will be loud just wanting to get an idea based on what i've dealt with previously.

[minefarmbuy]

Probably in 70+ db range I imagine. Going to be loud for us home miners.

[fccs]

Back for sale on pango I see.  The 72th version.  Too bad it isn't till essentially end of Aug to receive.  Price is comparable to bitmain s17pro so I'm not sure how I feel about that.

S17 Pro - Max 62th $2300 essentially, ships.. very soon

vs

M20S - Max 72th (Assuming) $2300, ships.. in a rather long time away.

[minefarmbuy]

We'll we don't know when the next of s17's will ship but I hope not a wait till august. So you'd have to buy form a reseller probably for more than $2.3k.

m20s though might be worth the wait for some.

[philipma1957]

Back for sale on pango I see.  The 72th version.  Too bad it isn't till essentially end of Aug to receive.  Price is comparable to bitmain s17pro so I'm not sure how I feel about that.

S17 Pro - Max 62th $2300 essentially, ships.. very soon

vs

M20S - Max 72th (Assuming) $2300, ships.. in a rather long time away.

Not soon not for sale any more.

But  I do agree that waiting til August for an m20 is not easy to do.

I have a 45 day rule on a preorder.

My demo  was paid for on march 31  and due may 20  which break the 45 day rule.

They may send it by May 10 which would be a 41-43 day wait.  Still a long wait.

I missed on the s17  which  costs more then you wrote.  It was  2300 + 150 = 2450  while the m20 is   2190 after coupon

So 2450  or 2190     April 25 or August 10   The s17  looks okay if it sells again.

BTW  all this gear sucks  for roi in USA

s17  2450 +  500 = 2950
m20  2190 + 500  = 2690  maybe tax is less in august maybe not

s17  62th  and 2750 watts = 2950     5 s9's  used = 1000 save 1950 USD

set 4 to 13.5 and 1 to 9.5 th = about 63th and 6000 watts

so you save 3050 watts an hour = 2196 kwatts a month at 5 cent power = 109.80 usd a month  takes 17.75 months  to get back the price in power savings

m20 68th and 3300 watts   vs 5 s9s  at full power  say 5 x 13.5 = 68th at 6500 watts that is 3200 watts saved = 3.2 x 720 = 2304 kwatts a month

that is 115.20 a month in savings  and 6th more in hash

you spend 1690    so at 5 cents 14.67 months

So doing the math  the m20 is actually  oct 2020  breakeven against the s9's
the s17  assuming  april delivery  is actually  sept 2020 breakeven  against the s9's

the front loading  of the 62th  say april 20 to aug 20 is tough for the m20 to overcome.

but that is not on batch 3  since there is not batch 3.

[fccs]

Yea true, both are tough calls right now.  I personally would prefer a m20s due to being a fan of whatsminer lately.  I am not willing to preorder a miner 4 months away though either.  So I got a few s17 pros solely based off the fact of upgrading my current gear.  This months in advance preorder stuff for miners needs to stop.  Getting pretty ridiculous I feel like lately.  Inno is doing it, obelisk, whatsminer, that new strongu miner is also, like common now.. lol

[philipma1957]

Yea true, both are tough calls right now.  I personally would prefer a m20s due to being a fan of whatsminer lately.  I am not willing to preorder a miner 4 months away though either.  So I got a few s17 pros solely based off the fact of upgrading my current gear.  This months in advance preorder stuff for miners needs to stop.  Getting pretty ridiculous I feel like lately.  Inno is doing it, obelisk, whatsminer, that new strongu miner is also, like common now.. lol

I still have a lot of older gear.  It makes money still my power deal is split the coins.

so 30 s9s = 15 s9's for free

my m10's are the workhorse gear.

[Steamtyme]

Probably in 70+ db range I imagine. Going to be loud for us home miners.

Yeah I figured something along those lines. Guess I'll have to wait and see myself here in May. I might have to build out something at my garage exhaust to deflect the sound a little to avoid unwanted attention; that or LPM if available.

I'm curious to see what shows up closer to 68TH or 72TH, and the power draw. I'm not at all disappointing about the shifting numbers as it seems like they are working to the end to get a solid product out. I just wish that we could hammer down some models by having them listed on the distributor sights permanently to keep track of them. (M20v1, M20v2, M20S, M21) Even if they aren't available ATM, or are sold out.

[Artemis3]

From what i have seen the M20S at 70th (3360W) is the reasonable thing to expect, assuming 48w/t. The M21 didn't look good, looks more like the M10 to me, not sure what its purpose is at 60w/t maybe its just an M10+.

[philipma1957]

The 21 and the 20 add up to 1800+3300 = 5100 watts. That is a safe load for a 30 amp 240 volt circuit.

Since I have 2+3+18= 23x 30amp circuits pre wired it could come in handy.

Also at 850 USD IT could be lowered under the trump tax 799 is the number needed.

So I may blend the m20s and m21s.

[minefarmbuy]

Yea, it's close to de minimis. I had about 5.2k on one 30a line no issues till LPM's started showing up.

[philipma1957]

Yea, it's close to de minimis. I had about 5.2k on one 30a line no issues till LPM's started showing up.

the lessor model  may be a very good home miner.

I was talking with pangolin and they will have a special low power model.  all info to come out in may around the 18th.

I can only offer a tease it will do under 800 watts and under 42 watts a th on low power

all told 4 models  the one above is tied as the most efficient one on low  all 4 models will be under 42 watts a th on low

they vary efficiency on high setting

they all vary hash

highest hash one is 68-70th  which  we know as the m20  I have that coming out to me around may 10-20

we had heard about the m21s  which is  coming out

and there will be 2 others.

I like that each and every one on low is under 42 watts a th