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[dragonmike]

@fanatic26_ and @lunobird

You are both right and you are both wrong.
As I wrote above, core-bound algos scale very well across the nvidia range when it comes to hash/watt and hash/dollar. The differences are minimal.

Now if you throw EThash, CN or algos that are badly optimised into the mix of course your results will vary. These cards aren't using the same memory across the range.

You need to compare apples to apples. And then you'll basically pick your weapon of choice according to your strategy and budget.

So according to my findings, no, 1600 series Nvidia GPUs are not significantly better than everything else.

[fanatic26_]

So according to my findings, no, 1600 series Nvidia GPUs are not significantly better than everything else.

And that is not a claim I ever made. I was pointing out that lunos advice and outlook on things was very one sided to his situation and when you take into account the price of the cards the 1660Ti is a much better choice as a way to get into mining without breaking the bank. I was referring to the price/performance ratio and the payback times involved. No matter what algo you pick, the payback on the 2080 makes it a horrible choice for mining and I stand by that statement.

[lunobird]

So according to my findings, no, 1600 series Nvidia GPUs are not significantly better than everything else.

And that is not a claim I ever made. I was pointing out that lunos advice and outlook on things was very one sided to his situation and when you take into account the price of the cards the 1660Ti is a much better choice as a way to get into mining without breaking the bank. I was referring to the price/performance ratio and the payback times involved. No matter what algo you pick, the payback on the 2080 makes it a horrible choice for mining and I stand by that statement.

Not true at all  according to whattomine .  If your mining at 10 cent watt rate as an average home miner mining ethereum at 30 hashrate at 70 watts and if you use the 2080 rtx to mine zcoin at 3.6 hash rate at 150w.  The 2080 rtx actually has a faster pay off period. About 1376 days to payback 1660 ti for $289 for the evga gaming edtion or 1344 payback for the top of the line $780 dollar for evga xc gaming edition.  Even faster payoff if you choose the cheaper 2080 rtx gigabytes at $730 (1258 days)

So now you gota ask yourself.  What has better resale value, what's more future proof,   Would you rather be stuck with some 1660 ti or stuck with a 2080 rtx.   I think the answer is quite clear that the 2080 rtx is the most superior cost effect mining card to date.

If i bought a 1660 ti I would have major buyers remorse I could have bought a better card like a 2080 rtx and have faster ROI

[Marvell2]

So according to my findings, no, 1600 series Nvidia GPUs are not significantly better than everything else.

And that is not a claim I ever made. I was pointing out that lunos advice and outlook on things was very one sided to his situation and when you take into account the price of the cards the 1660Ti is a much better choice as a way to get into mining without breaking the bank. I was referring to the price/performance ratio and the payback times involved. No matter what algo you pick, the payback on the 2080 makes it a horrible choice for mining and I stand by that statement.

Not true at all  according to whattomine .  If your mining at 10 cent watt rate as an average home miner mining ethereum at 30 hashrate at 70 watts and if you use the 2080 rtx to mine zcoin at 3.6 hash rate at 150w.  The 2080 rtx actually has a faster pay off period. About 1376 days to payback 1660 ti for $289 for the evga gaming edtion or 1344 payback for the top of the line $780 dollar for evga xc gaming edition.  Even faster payoff if you choose the cheaper 2080 rtx gigabytes at $730 (1258 days)

So now you gota ask yourself.  What has better resale value, what's more future proof,   Would you rather be stuck with some 1660 ti or stuck with a 2080 rtx.   I think the answer is quite clear that the 2080 rtx is the most superior cost effect mining card to date.

If i bought a 1660 ti I would have major buyers remorse I could have bought a better card like a 2080 rtx and have faster ROI

2080 does seem like the sweet spot , 2070 seems not bad either for $489

To me the 2070 is the Best Buy , it has the power of a 1080ti , etc cores and $300 newly less than a 2080 rtx

[badbart]

So according to my findings, no, 1600 series Nvidia GPUs are not significantly better than everything else.

And that is not a claim I ever made. I was pointing out that lunos advice and outlook on things was very one sided to his situation and when you take into account the price of the cards the 1660Ti is a much better choice as a way to get into mining without breaking the bank. I was referring to the price/performance ratio and the payback times involved. No matter what algo you pick, the payback on the 2080 makes it a horrible choice for mining and I stand by that statement.

Not true at all  according to whattomine .  If your mining at 10 cent watt rate as an average home miner mining ethereum at 30 hashrate at 70 watts and if you use the 2080 rtx to mine zcoin at 3.6 hash rate at 150w.  The 2080 rtx actually has a faster pay off period. About 1376 days to payback 1660 ti for $289 for the evga gaming edtion or 1344 payback for the top of the line $780 dollar for evga xc gaming edition.  Even faster payoff if you choose the cheaper 2080 rtx gigabytes at $730 (1258 days)

So now you gota ask yourself.  What has better resale value, what's more future proof,   Would you rather be stuck with some 1660 ti or stuck with a 2080 rtx.   I think the answer is quite clear that the 2080 rtx is the most superior cost effect mining card to date.

If i bought a 1660 ti I would have major buyers remorse I could have bought a better card like a 2080 rtx and have faster ROI

2080 does seem like the sweet spot , 2070 seems not bad either for $489

To me the 2070 is the Best Buy , it has the power of a 1080ti , etc cores and $300 newly less than a 2080 rtx

1300 day payback period is a joke, your card will be worth $200 and obsolete for mining.  This would make your card the same age as a 980 ti, selling for $180 on ebay.  So your 1,300 day return is $180.  Unless their is a rally, which is more then likely to happen.

[lunobird]

1300 day payback period is a joke, your card will be worth $200 and obsolete for mining.  This would make your card the same age as a 980 ti, selling for $180 on ebay.  So your 1,300 day return is $180.  Unless their is a rally, which is more then likely to happen.

I agree 1300 day payback period is a joke and that's if your lucky enough to have a 10 cent watt rate for residential, 100 percent uptime and I didn't even include the power it takes to run the cpu, motherboard, system and cooling. So the real pay back period is probably much longer than 5 years.  But I guess that's what mining is at its current phase.   Its over saturated with plenty of dumb miner money and It's a race to the bottom.  

It's so easy to mine and everyone knows how to do it and people would pay to do it for entertainment.  If you want to be successful do something that  nobody else knows how to do or wants to do.  I would not rely on gpu mining to replace my day job (sorry Vosk you got roasted buddy, good thing you get some income from youtube)

I accepted these fact and only mine as a hobby now. Quite an expensive one

[dragonmike]

1300 day payback period is a joke, your card will be worth $200 and obsolete for mining.  This would make your card the same age as a 980 ti, selling for $180 on ebay.  So your 1,300 day return is $180.  Unless their is a rally, which is more then likely to happen.

I agree 1300 day payback period is a joke and that's if your lucky enough to have a 10 cent watt rate for residential, 100 percent uptime and I didn't even include the power it takes to run the cpu, motherboard, system and cooling. So the real pay back period is probably much longer than 5 years.  But I guess that's what mining is at its current phase.   Its over saturated with plenty of dumb miner money and It's a race to the bottom. 

It's so easy to mine and everyone knows how to do it and people would pay to do it for entertainment.  If you want to be successful do something that  nobody else knows how to do or wants to do.  I would not rely on gpu mining to replace my day job (sorry Vosk you got roasted buddy, good thing you get some income from youtube)

I accepted these fact and only mine as a hobby now. Quite an expensive one

That is pretty true actually.
But then again, you can also have a general positive view on the market and buy gear now because you can. Better than buying RX570's for $600 in spring 2018...

The only real valid question remains however whether you should buy gear or coins at this stage if you're expecting markets to rise.

[VoskCoin]

Maths are hard for some people i guess

1660Ti = $299 MSRP

RTX 2080 = $799 MSRP


If you can find the 2080 on a 1 off low price, you will be able to do the same thing for the 1660 once its a month or two old. You are cherry picking your data to prove your point even though you are standing on very shaky ground. You even had to single out one particular algo and a random useless shitcoin to prove your point.

Lets look at something more popular...say ETH hash rates.

1660Ti = 29.5MH @ 90w (Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/comments/avyaq1/gtx_1660_ti_mining_performance/ )
2080   = 42.3MH @ 168w (Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/comments/9ixng5/rtx_2080_mining_hashrateperformance/ )

So on the most popular algo you can get a pair of 1660s doing 59mh @ 180w or a single 2080 doing 42.3mh @ 168w....

PHi2

1660Ti = 9.2mh @ 90w
2080   =  9.97mh @ 168w

The 1660 dominates here....

x16r

1660TI = 17.8mh @ 90w
2080    = 30mh @ 168w

Close enough to be nearly identical....


See when you cherry pick results its easy to make claims that your way is the best. The unfortunate side effect is someone might listen to your bs and make a poor decision after reading this because they dont know how to do proper research on their own.

fpgas just took over phi2 btw

[huntingthesnark]

 I think two steps ahead and focus on whats going to get me the maximum amount of money in a few years of mining and not selling a single coin till we hit next parabolic bull cycle.  I always pick out my gpu's based on a  rig setup that will allow me to mine the most popular new coins like grin and beam early before asics hit them and I pick hardware that has most efficiency for the long game so i don't get gpu liquidated.

Man you sound so delusional its hilarious

Same here good stuff but is eth going to swithc to PROGPOW?  What kind of performance will a 470 have in progpow?  Rx 400 and 500 eries are cheap right now if they preform well on prog they are a steal. 

Yeah. Did you see those sapphire 570 4gb on amazon for £100 - new? That's bonkers cheap. If I could still run them profitably I would have bought a few rigs...

[sikke1]

1300 day payback period is a joke, your card will be worth $200 and obsolete for mining.  This would make your card the same age as a 980 ti, selling for $180 on ebay.  So your 1,300 day return is $180.  Unless their is a rally, which is more then likely to happen.

I agree 1300 day payback period is a joke and that's if your lucky enough to have a 10 cent watt rate for residential, 100 percent uptime and I didn't even include the power it takes to run the cpu, motherboard, system and cooling. So the real pay back period is probably much longer than 5 years.  But I guess that's what mining is at its current phase.   Its over saturated with plenty of dumb miner money and It's a race to the bottom.  

It's so easy to mine and everyone knows how to do it and people would pay to do it for entertainment.  If you want to be successful do something that  nobody else knows how to do or wants to do.  I would not rely on gpu mining to replace my day job (sorry Vosk you got roasted buddy, good thing you get some income from youtube)

I accepted these fact and only mine as a hobby now. Quite an expensive one

You are so true. It's absolutely not worth it to build rigs and spend cash to new PSU/MOBO/RAM RTX card but if you can source these parts used from quitting miners (Vosk) who spent excess amounts of buying mint new gear while crypto hit the fan, you might get something out of it. We have found used 1,2kw PSU for free and AsRock 13GPU mining MOBO (20$) for practically free. Stick it with 4GB RAM and 40$ Celeron and USB drive for linux mining OS you will have decent 13GPU mining rig perfect for 24/7 mining. I have found miners dumping P106-100 6GB cards for as low as 50$ because they cannot be used for gaming. You can wire off 13card P106-100 mining rig which is effective GTX 1060 rig with powerlimit 80W per card it will be roughly 1kw.... we have done tens of them so it works. It mines perfectly over the costs example RVN. Total cost of our 13card 1kw rigs is somewhat 1000$

At this market it's 0 point to invest sticker price stuff.
But in the end those who pay sticker price always lose.

[tbearhere]

1600 series Nvidia GPUs are significantly better than everything else for mining. 

The 1660ti almost matches a 1070's performance with only 75 watts. 

Currently, most mining clients don’t support the 1660 or 1660ti.

Linux drivers currently only have limited support for the 1660 and 1660ti.

The 1670 or 1670ti will be the next GPU that will be optimal to buy for mining. They will likely have a 150-160 watt TDP, with an optimal mining powerlimit around 90-95 watts.

plan accordingly

Yes exactly. I have one 1660ti and its power draw is very low. Nice card... but devs and good drivers need to optimize it.     

[VoskCoin]

I recently got a 1660 in addition to a 1660ti.  Depending on what you mine the 1660 is the better choice $/hash.

Even when only paying $700, 2080s can't approach the $/hash of 3x 1660s.

If you can find $50 P106-100s, then that is the best $/hash; however the lowest I have seen these listed is $100.  Which is still very good $/hash.

The best RVN rig right now $/hash using new GPUs is a 1660 rig.

I am very confident that 1660s will retain their value very well, and will likely be able to be resold for more than their purchase price with the next bull market.  If resold in a bear market they will lose the least value.  Mainstream GPUs are always the easiest to resell for near their purchase price.

While I expect a 1670 or 1670ti to be better for mining, they will not be better for resale.

Mainstream gamers tend to want single fan GPUs, vs dual fan. 

Of the single fan variants of the 1660, I think the EVGA 1660 XC Black is the best choice.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PGLLWRY sold out on amazon

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487437 still in stock at newegg

1660ti single fan variants are also a good choice, but will likely be slightly harder to resell and have slightly worse $/hash.

I also like the EVGA 1660ti XC Black best out of the single fan 1660ti variants.

what numbers did you get in your testing and how many 1660s have you lumped into one rig?

[Metroid]

1660ti does 507 H/s with XMR and 30+ MH/s using 60-70 watts for Ethash. 

Even if it does that, a rx 570 can be bought for $100 and the 1660ti is around $350. What the hell.

[Metroid]

1660ti does 507 H/s with XMR and 30+ MH/s using 60-70 watts for Ethash.  

Even if it does that, a rx 570 can be bought for $100 and the 1660ti is around $350. What the hell.

The 1660 is $220.

The 1660ti is $279.  

Avoid bullshit variants or paying for markup.

A 2060 is $350.

A P106-100 is around $100 if you are looking for cheap used GPUs.

There isn't a point in mining ETH right now, better off mining another coin and exchanging it into ETH if you want to accumulate it.  

If you really only want to mine XMR; sure get an AMD GPU.

You talk as if there is a choice for amd miners. Every website says eth still the most profitable popular coin using amd gpus. Now if you say nvidia users then I agree with you and already posted many times if mining with a nvidia gpu then there is no point even thinking about eth but the funny thing is you posted the 1660ti hashrate for xmr and eth as it made any sense using it to mine them.

And by the way saying "1600 series Nvidia GPUs are significantly better than everything else. )" is also a misleading title, amd polaris still the best price performance and if you meant that is better in the sense of being better than everything else then where does the 2080ti stay? So one or the other way you are deluding yourself or the people or both with that statement.

[Metroid]

Show me the numbers for how AMD polaris has the best price performance.

https://whattomine.com/coins/151-eth-ethash?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=30&p=130&fee=2&cost=0.1&hcost=100&commit=Calculate

[VoskCoin]

Show me the numbers for how AMD polaris has the best price performance.

https://whattomine.com/coins/151-eth-ethash?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=30&p=130&fee=2&cost=0.1&hcost=100&commit=Calculate

Using your numbers with whattomine I get the following:

1x rx580 8gb daily return mining Ethash @ 130 watts:
$0.46 revenue
$0.14 profit

1x 1660 or 1660ti or 1070 or P106-100 daily return mining RVN @ 106 watts:
$0.64 revenue
$0.38 profit

Used P106-100 are the same price as used Rx580 8gb; its a no brainer: over 2x profit and way more mineable algos.

New rx580 8gb are $180 lowest I can find.  The second you buy this, its resale value is $100.

New 1660s are $220 and its resale value is $200 at worst; its a no brainer.

That's the big issue (bolded), rx cards are so flooded on the second hand market, I could hardly even sell a like new rx470, they're not even worth $100 these days lol -- and this point is profits aside

[joseph32]

But buying 2nd hand cards is high risk and pure gamble. You can get broken parts, or simply nothing. And this will drop your profits massively.

[Metroid]

If somebody can't find a new rx 570 for $100 then is their fault, it was sold in retail stores for a long time at that price.

[WickedPigeon]

Made a couple of adjustments:
Those 1660TI are looking really, really good...



And while some get better results at lower PL ratings, over a longer average, with my rigs, I find these numbers close to my averages - on the GPUs I have, 1070, 1070TI and 1660TI.

And yes, tuning your rigs can gain you 5-10% improvement on ROI. Also, I strongly recommend looking at your Electric bill. I live in Chicago and changed from Com Ed's "fixed rate" to "daily live pricing" and over the past year have saved about 16% - literately thousands of dollars.

[Metroid]

If somebody can't find a new rx 570 for $100 then is their fault, it was sold in retail stores for a long time at that price.

Show me one link with an rx570 8gb or rx580 8gb for anywhere near $100 new.

As per my post, " it was sold in retail stores for a long time at that price.".

https://wccftech.com/score-a-sapphire-radeon-rx-570-4gb-right-now-for-only-99/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdUAecssqAg
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/a7i5so/is_this_worth_it_sub_100usd_brand_new_rx_470_4gb/