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March 30, 2019, 03:53:42 AM
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Yea at $1500 the m10 was a fricken better buy for half that LOL.  The hell are they thinking??
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March 30, 2019, 03:41:24 PM
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Yea at $1500 the m10 was a fricken better buy for half that LOL.  The hell are they thinking??

Canaan should revise their price structure to remain competitive, they have been pricier even back with 7xx models. One would think skipping controllers on each unit would net them some price advantage but no. Its nice to have costumer satisfaction and quality parts, but the market inevitable goes towards the lowest price per hash.

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March 30, 2019, 04:09:19 PM
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Not yet, at least. But sarcheer's M10's PSU did try to put on an early Fourth of July fireworks display.

I find these PSUs' general lack of safety certifications disturbing.

Legit point.

I actually could come up with another.  Both the S17 pro and the M20 v1  should pull 3000-3400 watts

most of my 30/24 amp pdus  are fused at 15 amps a plug  which is 3600  borderline number for a piece of gear pulling 3400 watts.



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I Got a hold of steve of canaan.  I will be getting one of these.

No info other then soon. Grin

But steve is pretty much as good as gold.  I will post back when he fills me in.

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April 01, 2019, 01:02:39 PM
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Faboo! It will be very interesting to see how the A10's do as I'd love to pick up a couple to replace the 2 remaining power-hungry 921's I still have running.

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April 01, 2019, 04:36:49 PM
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I just don't see many of these selling when efficiency is pretty much the same as S15 and the S15 is obsolete in a week, assuming Bitmain's release date is not just a pre-sale. If Bitmain ends up being a pre-sale, then they may have a small chance as an alternative to S15, however the pricing needs to be more inline with Bitmain. I just sold my 921's. I don't even want to talk about ROI on 821/841. These units were worthless in less than a year unless you have free power and 921 was really not much more efficient than two 8 series with efficiency firmware.
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April 01, 2019, 04:51:02 PM
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I just don't see many of these selling when efficiency is pretty much the same as S15 and the S15 is obsolete in a week, assuming Bitmain's release date is not just a pre-sale. If Bitmain ends up being a pre-sale, then they may have a small chance as an alternative to S15, however the pricing needs to be more inline with Bitmain. I just sold my 921's. I don't even want to talk about ROI on 821/841. These units were worthless in less than a year unless you have free power and 921 was really not much more efficient than two 8 series with efficiency firmware.

   The new gear only has value to those with cheap power running s9s.

 They are stated to do 56 watts a th and 50 watts minimum.
So lets say they down clock to 26th at 50 watts  that is better then the s15
and if you need to wait till july to get an s17 these are a decent replacement for s9's.

I have 20 s9's  on cheap power I plan to replace them with something better.

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April 01, 2019, 05:09:58 PM
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Well it will be 60 unit MOQ to import, still waiting on pricing.

I'm thinking 900-1k/unit pricing so about 1.3k to import per unit to the US. So $1500 from a reseller in the US isn't absurd at all. Not ideal considering new gear on the horizon coming but no the worst either.

Pending Canaan's ideal margin I would personally like to see somewhere around 700/unit as even with MOQ tariffs would price this out about $1k referencing our pricing matrix.

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April 01, 2019, 05:41:05 PM
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Well it will be 60 unit MOQ to import, still waiting on pricing.

I'm thinking 900-1k/unit pricing so about 1.3k to import per unit to the US. So $1500 from a reseller in the US isn't absurd at all. Not ideal considering new gear on the horizon coming but no the worst either.

Pending Canaan's ideal margin I would personally like to see somewhere around 700/unit as even with MOQ tariffs would price this out about $1k referencing our pricing matrix.

   Those prices are simply too high.  They won't sell  in the USA at 1500.

 I did see blokforge mention 1550 but as TBD

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April 01, 2019, 05:44:14 PM
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So lets say they down clock to 26th at 50 watts  that is better then the s15

Will be interesting to see if you can get those numbers downclocking. I ran my S15 in low power mode for a few days when I first got it in December and it was around 18TH/s @ 50W/TH. Even if you can get those numbers with A10, efficiency is pretty much the same as S15 and Bitmain already beat them to market 4 months ago. It's good if you have older gear and can't get an S15 or S17, but looks like it may already be old gear by the time you can get one. I'm considering selling my S15 before the prices of those plummet.  They need to price it better than S15 for it to be worth it.
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April 01, 2019, 05:55:35 PM
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When I check the Blokforge link, it shows 1199$ USD.

They do still state pricing and shipping is TBA. I'm  not sure if that's because the site picks up that I'm in Canada, as I know it displays to cover tarrifs or lack thereof depending.

They may have a price point in mind but I think to move these quickly they will need to come in low. There are just to many unknowns for them with the Bitmain, and MicroBT releases that are coming.

I am interested to see if this goes the route of say a 1021 then a 1041 following a few months later.

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April 01, 2019, 06:13:41 PM
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well  that changed from 1550 TBD 2 days ago.  or maybe  my 1550 is still up let me check

usa price is 1550

too bad  freaking trump is killing sales in the USA.


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April 01, 2019, 07:11:12 PM
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When I check the Blokforge link, it shows 1199$ USD.

They do still state pricing and shipping is TBA. I'm  not sure if that's because the site picks up that I'm in Canada, as I know it displays to cover tarrifs or lack thereof depending.

They may have a price point in mind but I think to move these quickly they will need to come in low. There are just to many unknowns for them with the Bitmain, and MicroBT releases that are coming.

I am interested to see if this goes the route of say a 1021 then a 1041 following a few months later.

I got screwed over pretty badly by the last order of 741's getting canceled by Canaan and then having my order changed to an 821. I agreed to that change, thinking I was getting the best of the next generation of miners, only to have the 841 come over very shortly thereafter at a much, much better price. I'll never do a preorder in general or buy the *21/first set of a new gen from Canaan again.

I did the above ordering through minerwarez (glad to see them have virtually nothing for sale after the treatment from them) and was promised by them we would be receiving a "special gift" as a thank you for putting up with the delays and getting screwed by the immediately dropped price for those who did not preorder. Never received anything and my inquiries were ignored. To be clear, I blame the distributor for this entirely.

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April 01, 2019, 08:24:14 PM
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I'll never do a preorder in general or buy the *21/first set of a new gen from Canaan again.

Same. I paid almost $3k for an 821 pre-order. Blokforge at least gave out some coupons when the 841 came out cheaper. I had all first batches of 8 series and none of them were even close to ROI and that's before even subtracting electric costs. Only benefit was a tax deduction.
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April 01, 2019, 08:29:37 PM
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There was a 3-4 week space in time that the A841 was a decent price.  Maybe Feb or march of 2018

Then bitmain just dropped prices on the s9 and s9i and s9j selling unit after unit of gear.

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April 01, 2019, 08:55:20 PM
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Those 821's are good write-off's at least for me tax-wise this year.  Other than that, yep no more pre-orders for me.
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April 02, 2019, 04:14:22 AM
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Well Lily and I are back in charge of setting Specs and  firmware requirements!

Trying to get super finegrain control of the power comsumption of machines so that freq can be set and reset on the fly.
In testing on the 841/851   should  migrate  easily.  

On the  10 series there will be TWO  options:

1.  Option with "intgrated" PSU.  basically this means a PSu with I2C control. There will be no PMU. Upside, miner controls
     the PSU and  you dont have to worry about your PSU burning up the PMU ( if the PSU supplies too low of a voltage for ex)
2.  Option for  regular PSU.  The hash rate will take a little hit.

Also the AUC is  gone.  Machines  daisy chain via  internet connection.   more details follow

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Just open sourced  the 851

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April 02, 2019, 09:55:19 AM
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Hi Steve, long time no see Smiley
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April 02, 2019, 01:35:25 PM
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I wake up to see btc at 4750 usd and Steve of Canaan with new gear.

Good news indeed.

No auc also good news. So Ethernet to Ethernet to rasp pi?

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April 02, 2019, 02:09:04 PM
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~snip~

I've missed this direct from the team type of information. Looking forward to seeing the new design in action.

Did Canaan move away from the Rasp Pi for a controller? I don't recall where but there was someone here talking about a different controller model. Not sure if it was just a regional thing or not. Two different options regarding the PSU's is great, I had resigned myself to having to get models with a built in. Say you buy option 1 and the PSU dies, is it easily converted to accept a regular PSU moving forward? Or would someone need to order a replacement from Canaan?

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April 03, 2019, 01:51:20 PM
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Very cool indeed to see Steve posting here again. Smiley

The AvalonMiner 10 product page is now available.

Link: https://canaan.io/product/avalonminer-10/

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