bestmixer or chipmixer?

[deerlion]

What mixer do you recommend I use, bestmixer or chipmixer?

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[buwaytress]

Can't speak properly about BestMixer as have never tried it, but I do see from their FAQ that it has at least improved a little over the traditional model of mixing that the majority of active mixers are using... there's more randomness probability (choice of pools, up to 10 receiving addresses) but these options are still to me inferior to ChipMixer.

For example:
- max 10 receiving addresses. With ChipMixer, you can break your balance up in many more chip denominations.
- Preset of transfer delay. This still means you get coins newer than what you send. With ChipMixer, you get preloaded chips, so you're actually getting OLDER coins (older utxos) than what you sent, and you can sweep the chips any time you want. This is a big breaking factor in chain analysis.
- lowest service fee of all. ChipMixer is pay what you want... you can even pay 0.

I'm interested the 100% blockchain analysis proof claims. Haven't looked into it but it does seem unlikely, especially when their methods don't seem to be that much different from the old mixers. Improved, but not different.

[AdolfinWolf]

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This.
Obviously i'm going to be biased, but this mixer seems to be using the traditional mixing model, which, in a recent paper that was posted in Technical discussion (Can't find it anymore, if anyone has a link to it, i'd be delighted!), was shown to be really insecure in protecting your actual privacy.

As far as i can see, Bestmixer is simply building on that old outdated model, and i don't really see any significant improvements as to why this should give more privacy?

- lowest service fee of all. ChipMixer is pay what you want... you can even pay 0.

This. When using the 'recommended' fees on Bestmixer.io, you pay anywhere between 2-4%. If you're running any sort of business where you're working with margins, i don't see why you would ever use bestmixer over Chipmixer.


Another thing that makes me really, really itchy about Bestmixer is the fact that they have these different pools, "Gamma" pool when you pay 4% fees, without any proof to their users that these are radically different from the "pleb pool". There's a lot of trust and confidence involved here for results that will (or rather should) never be visible. Hmmpfh.





But in the end, i don't know... You should probably do your own research and use whichever one you like/are personally comfortable with.

[tomahawk9]

Obviously i'm going to be biased, but this mixer seems to be using the traditional mixing model, which, in a recent paper that was posted in Technical discussion (Can't find it anymore, if anyone has a link to it, i'd be delighted!), was shown to be really insecure in protecting your actual privacy.

I think you're referring to this thread: Breaking Mixing Services

[socks435]

I think you're referring to this thread: Breaking Mixing Services

OP should check this post above you will get which one is the best mixer here on the forum.

Chipmixer has unique style of mixing and according to the thread from "Breaking Mixing services" Only chipmixer services is couldn't be broken.

So OP can decide which one is the best.

[Patatas]

The entire discussion in this thread will be like,

ChipMixer campaign participants : - ChipMixer
BestMixer campaign participants : - BestMixer
People who don't ever mix coins : - ChipMixer [I agree with them because ChipMixer has been around for a good time and they are already more than famous on bitcointalk as compared to bestmixer]

[magneto]

The entire discussion in this thread will be like,

ChipMixer campaign participants : - ChipMixer
BestMixer campaign participants : - BestMixer

I agree. Obviously people who are affiliated with/have used a service personally are more likely to advocate for it.

I personally think that it's not necessarily that there is a clear cut answer, but rather what features you want to use. And research on that front needs to be carried out by the individual who is using the mixing service, e.g. whether you'd like to have private keys (chips), or simply have funds sent to an address.

At the end of the day though, I think that all else being equal, and you're looking at the two options, the objective thing to say is that Chipmixer has a much longer history and track record of being responsive and reputable, compared to other mixers that have just popped up. They may still be legit, but there is a higher risk.

[BitHodler]

The entire discussion in this thread will be like,

ChipMixer campaign participants : - ChipMixer
BestMixer campaign participants : - BestMixer
People who don't ever mix coins : - ChipMixer [I agree with them because ChipMixer has been around for a good time and they are already more than famous on bitcointalk as compared to bestmixer]

My thought exactly.

The only thing I can say is that as long as the mixer is a legitimate player within the crypto space, give them a try with small amounts first and see which one offers you the best possible service.

The good thing about more competition is that mixers have started to innovate by adding new features that make each individual mixer stand out from the rest and appeal to a certain group of users.

[DarkStar_]

I'm obviously going to recommend ChipMixer, but here's a list of alternatives that you can consider: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.0
The mixing space is much more than just ChipMixer and BestMixer.

[shield132]

The entire discussion in this thread will be like,

ChipMixer campaign participants : - ChipMixer
BestMixer campaign participants : - BestMixer
People who don't ever mix coins : - ChipMixer [I agree with them because ChipMixer has been around for a good time and they are already more than famous on bitcointalk as compared to bestmixer]

You are right and that's very logical. I think it will be nice to see opinions from others who aren't participated in their sig.
OP personally I can highly recommend this two: Bitblender and chipmixer, they are both amazing, bitblender is on game for years, the most older one I can remember is cryptomixer and they really have up to 2500 bitcoins as they clain because it was really verified but because of this verification, don't think they are very safe for your privacy, otherwise they are trustworthy.

[pinoycash]

Chipmixer for being online for the longest time and already build up a good reputation in the cryptocurrency market.

While bestmixer is a new service that still needs to prove its worth and gain a good reputation.

Chipmixer only supports Bitcoin so if you're looking to mix other coins like BCH and Litecoin then bestmixer is the place to go.

[sheenshane]

Upon searching who is the best mixer, the bestmixer or chipmixer.

So, at my research, you can conclude which better among them.

 Mixer:                                 Promoter/Manager:        Trust Rating:                               
BestMixer                             bestmixer                   -2: -1 / +0
ChipMixer                             ChipMixer                 20: -0 / +2       

Now, you can decide which is better among them all.

But here is mine if you are going to ask me.

BitBlender                              blender       2: -0 / +1

[Findingnemo]

Upon searching who is the best mixer, the bestmixer or chipmixer.

So, at my research, you can conclude which better among them.

 Mixer:                                 Promoter/Manager:        Trust Rating:                                
BestMixer                             bestmixer                   -2: -1 / +0
ChipMixer                             ChipMixer                 20: -0 / +2      

Now, you can decide which is better among them all.

But here is mine if you are going to ask me.

BitBlender                              blender       2: -0 / +1

Trust level doesn't decide which one is best and moreover bestmixer got negative reputation for spreading fake information about a wallet so it has nothing to do with their service on the mixing.

Bitblender is only working on TOR so I don't think it is reliable for everyone to use.

[pixie85]

Upon searching who is the best mixer, the bestmixer or chipmixer.

So, at my research, you can conclude which better among them.

 Mixer:                                 Promoter/Manager:        Trust Rating:                               
BestMixer                             bestmixer                   -2: -1 / +0
ChipMixer                             ChipMixer                 20: -0 / +2       

Now, you can decide which is better among them all.

But here is mine if you are going to ask me.

BitBlender                              blender       2: -0 / +1

While I might consider that negative on bestmixer's account I won't because the person that gave it is in the chipmixer's campaign.

When somebody who is being paid to promote a competitor gives negative feedback to you that feedback becomes irrelevant. At least it's how I see it.

[TryNinja]

While I might consider that negative on bestmixer's account I won't because the person that gave it is in the chipmixer's campaign.

When somebody who is being paid to promote a competitor gives negative feedback to you that feedback becomes irrelevant. At least it's how I see it.

Why don’t we all check the reason of the negative trust instead of the user who gave it?

Let’s not “ad hominem” the feedback system.

If the feedback is accurate, it doesn’t matter if it was satoshi or Bitconnect’s CEO who gave it.

[1miau]

I don't know where you got the trust ratings but adding ;dt to the link shows the following results:

ChipMixer   94: -0 / +11    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1003345;dt
Bestmixer  -4: -2 / +0    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1721098;dt
BitBlender  2: -0 / +1    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=229601;dt

Ok, 3 ratings out of ChipMixer's rating are for running the ChipMixer signature campaign but after all it is still in favor of ChipMixer (+8 vs. -2 vs +1)

After all it's up to you which one you feel more comfortable to use.

[Lanatsa]

Chipmixer all the way!

I do always go to the things which have been here for long rather than entrusting a new service.Im not saying they arent capable and trust-able but
i do much prefer on where do community usually uses.

Basing on trust issues between mixers forum account.You can already see the obvious answer related to this question.

[buwaytress]

Let not the many ChipMixer campaign participants like myself sway the opinion, as pointed out above, it's not just 2 mixers, and it's really down to the user's objective to choose what's right. Privacy is the prize at stake, and you can't afford to overlook your options if you're serious about it.

Don't forget, basic behaviours also help increase the levels of privacy. It doesn't matter if you mix and tumble and in the end identify your coins by reusing addresses or even staking identities to addresses (I do this myself for practical economic reasons but I wouldn't do those things to txs and coins I'd like to keep private).

Also, there are more wallet options like Wasabi Wallet, Samourai, etc. that give you more privacy control as you transact.

[darklus123]

Choose what's best for your needs. As far as I know chipmixer only offers bitcoin mixing on the other hand bestmixer offers more coins to be mixed.

Now when we do talk about fees BestMixer offers

Bitcoin   1%   0.00037968 BTC
Litecoin   3%   0.00109357 LTC
Bitcoin Cash   3%   0.00075936 BCH


and has the following discounts


0.1 – 1   10%   0.9% / 2.7% / 2.7%
1 – 10   20%   0.8% / 2.4% / 2.4%
10 – 50   30%   0.7% / 2.1% / 2.1%
50 – 100   40%   0.6% / 1.8% / 1.8%
100+   50%   0.5% / 1.5% / 1.5%

https://bestmixer.io/en/fees


While chipmixer offers " Pay what you want"  "It mean you set how much value our service is to you."


In short both systems are good when it comes to privacy of your coins. The only thing that differs right now that I know is that bestmixer offers more services while chipmixer offers freedom when it comes to fees.

[1Referee]

Also, there are more wallet options like Wasabi Wallet, Samourai, etc. that give you more privacy control as you transact.

Coin shuffling has been gaining some momentum lately, which is a good thing, but at the same time, contributes to network cluttering the more popular these privacy enhancing wallets become.

I like the fact that through ChipMixer I can redeem loaded private keys of different amounts that have been created like a day or so before. This makes it more difficult to link it to me than a regular mixing job would, where you either withdraw your coins right after the first confirmation, or wait a couple of hours. In both cases your 'clean' coins move after your initial mixing job.