bestmixer or chipmixer?

[carter34]

Chipmixer only supports Bitcoin so if you're looking to mix other coins like BCH and Litecoin then bestmixer is the place to go.

Surely chipmixer seem to be in the top of the list with how long it has existed and with the reputation it has built over time with its signature campaign handled by one most reputed user of this forum, darkStar_ . But because of the focus on bitcoin particularly, other mixers like bestmixer are also having advantage for having variety of coins mixing.

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[bestmixer]

Dear Friends,

amid active discussion of ChipMixer advantages over BestMixer in this thread, we would like to express our opinion.

We analyzed the work of ChipMixer and came to the conclusion that this project is not a reliable solution for anonymizing your transactions in the bitcoin network.

Based on the open data on the method of chip generation and their exact amounts, we were able to create a website, which in real time displays the full statistics of outgoing transactions of ChipMixer.

This analytical website is available at: http://chipstatdethbuwk.onion/

We believe that after the publication of this information, you will also change your opinion about the reliability of this project as a mixer.

Best regards,
BestMixer team

[Conasse]

It's possible to de-anonymize Bestmixer's mixes by subset-sum analysis by looking in/out amounts.

bitmixer.io & coinmixer.se are offline now, however its still possible to use the bugs I describe in my thesis to reverse nearly all transactions which have ever been processed by these services.
In my thesis, I attacked coinmixer.se (at the time of writing it was the biggest centralized mixing service), however - except chipmixer.com1 - every other centralized mixing service I checked could be broken in a similar fashion.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117328.0

[LoyceV]

This analytical website is available at: http://chipstatdethbuwk.onion/

Can you post it here? I don't want to install a Tor browser.

I'm curious to see if you got a list based on output size (which is as intended!) or have you been able to link funds coming out of ChipMixer to funds going into ChipMixer?

[bestmixer]

Can you post it here? I don't want to install a Tor browser.

http://chipstatdethbuwk.tor2web.xyz/

Best regards,
BestMixer team

[LoyceV]

Obviously, it's possible to list all inputs with the same size as chips. I'm still not convinced this is a bad thing, it's designed to be like this:

But 1.024 BTC is so uncommon that everyone will know I've used this mixer!

After a while it will get more common, because you won't even need to use mixer to anonymize your coins. Just split them into tokens and they look exactly like chips.

[AlexIsNice]

Personally,i prefer bestmixer,to me atleast it seems safer,i have no problem paying the 0.5% fee (for me)to make sure my coins are properly mixed.Plus i hate how on chipmixer if you said 0.05691 you get a 0.05 chip and thats all.

Overall it is BestMixer for me 100%

[Butterscotch Cartman]

I've only used bestmixer myself but I'm sure you can't go wrong with either of them.  However chipmixer only deals with bitcoins so if you have altcoins bestmixer is for oyu.

[TheQuin]

This analytical website is available at: http://chipstatdethbuwk.onion/

Can you post it here? I don't want to install a Tor browser.

I'm curious to see if you got a list based on output size (which is as intended!) or have you been able to link funds coming out of ChipMixer to funds going into ChipMixer?

I just had a look and it doesn't appear to make any link between funds coming out of ChipMixer to funds going into ChipMixer so it seems to show that ChipMixer works.

[DarkStar_]

Personally,i prefer bestmixer,to me atleast it seems safer,i have no problem paying the 0.5% fee (for me)to make sure my coins are properly mixed.Plus i hate how on chipmixer if you said 0.05691 you get a 0.05 chip and thats all.

Overall it is BestMixer for me 100%

You should be getting a 0.032BTC chip, a 0.016BTC chip and a 0.008BTC chip. (you lose the 0.00091BTC as that can't fit in a 1 mBTC chip). 0.05BTC chips don't exist and never have.

[AlexIsNice]

So i lose close to 6-7$ Depending on the amount i mix.

With bestmixer i lose less than 4$,and i think anonimity is much better on bestmixer,plus the unique code is really good since it gets me loyalty discounts.

[Mahanton]

So i lose close to 6-7$ Depending on the amount i mix.

With bestmixer i lose less than 4$,and i think anonimity is much better on bestmixer,plus the unique code is really good since it gets me loyalty discounts.

Then stick out with it if you do much prefer on using it but i cant deny that most people here do choose up the older ones which is Chipmixer.

[TryNinja]

So i lose close to 6-7$ Depending on the amount i mix.

With bestmixer i lose less than 4$,and i think anonimity is much better on bestmixer,plus the unique code is really good since it gets me loyalty discounts.

Or you could just send 0.056BTC, get the 0.032BTC, 0.016BTC and 0.008BTC chip (as explained by DarkStar) and pay exactly 0BTC fees for that. Keep the change (the $6-7) and buy a beer with it, or use a different mixer just for that, donate to your charity, whatever...

But feel free to use the mixer you like the most. Cheers.

[AdolfinWolf]

This analytical website is available at: http://chipstatdethbuwk.onion/

Can you post it here? I don't want to install a Tor browser.

I'm curious to see if you got a list based on output size (which is as intended!) or have you been able to link funds coming out of ChipMixer to funds going into ChipMixer?

I just had a look and it doesn't appear to make any link between funds coming out of ChipMixer to funds going into ChipMixer so it seems to show that ChipMixer works.

Yep. The "chain" or link between the funds is still broken.

I fail to see how this is something that's worth to be shouting from rooftops. Especially coming from a competitor, this seems like a pathetic attempt to smear Chipmixer's name, for no good reason at all.

This analytical website is available at: http://chipstatdethbuwk.onion/

We believe that after the publication of this information, you will also change your opinion about the reliability of this project as a mixer.

If i give you my deposit adress - will you be able to determine which chips i received? Unless the answer to that is yes, (which i doubt, (and you certainly don't prove that on your .onion)), i don't understand what all this commotion is about.

[jickiticky]

been using chipmixer for a while and its the preferred method, very much thanks to premixed chips.

I can after 1 confirmation  to chipmixer already move my funds.

With bestmixer, im not sure now if this was bestmixer or another service, but i did a blockchain analysis, basically i just looked up my transactions and they went straight from A to B to C.

Where A and C was me. I dont remember the details now, but it was a VERY obvious failure in mixing as all i need to check was the transaction on any blockchain explorer to see exactly where the coins went.

Maybe someone else noted this in past and can confirm which mixer it really was?

I also think chipmixer should add some random minimum fee, i only recently noticed it was a pay what you want service lol. I think this would enhance the privacy further.

[TryNinja]

been using chipmixer for a while and its the preferred method, very much thanks to premixed chips.

I can after 1 confirmation  to chipmixer already move my funds.

With bestmixer, im not sure now if this was bestmixer or another service, but i did a blockchain analysis, basically i just looked up my transactions and they went straight from A to B to C.

Where A and C was me. I dont remember the details now, but it was a VERY obvious failure in mixing as all i need to check was the transaction on any blockchain explorer to see exactly where the coins went.

Maybe someone else noted this in past and can confirm which mixer it really was?

I also think chipmixer should add some random minimum fee, i only recently noticed it was a pay what you want service lol. I think this would enhance the privacy further.

They deal with chips with fixed amount, so that wouldn’t really work. The only way I could see that working is if they, for example, created chips of 0.0998 BTC for those who deposited 0.01, 0.0319 for 0.032 and etc, or something like this (chips lower than input to collect the difference as fees), but that’s not really their idea. A “pay-what-you-want” fee structure usually serves as a good marketing strategy.

[Maestro75]

The entire discussion in this thread will be like,

ChipMixer campaign participants : - ChipMixer
BestMixer campaign participants : - BestMixer

Their sympathisers and shillers should be excluded from the polls then if we want the truth.

[Beerwizzard]

I remember that I've participated in 2 rounds of Best Mixer review campaign here approximately  a year ago.
The service looks fine but they set 2h delay by default. That can be a problem if you need your coins fast but forgot to change the delay. Later I needed some mixing service, read about ChipMixer, did not understood how this chip thing works and came back to bestmixer with the understanding that is is not that good but it is fast and simple.

[LeGaulois]

The entire discussion in this thread will be like,

ChipMixer campaign participants : - ChipMixer
BestMixer campaign participants : - BestMixer

Their sympathisers and shillers should be excluded from the polls then if we want the truth.

You won't find a lot of campaigns where the participants really know what is the product. There are some who really use ChipMixer on a regular basis, so people talk about the experience with the product, it's something natural. You can check the ChipMixer thread there is always a participant answering questions. Not to post "great project" or any kind. And guess what, they do it with other mixers.

But since we're at it and you're interested to get the truth like you say.

People compare fees but, lol seriously? Is it that need to be compared? Are people looking to save a buck with the risk to give up their privacy?
Privacy, Hello! Isn't it what is most important? Yes right? Now I would suggest making some searches because if you think all mixers work "great" I can assure that it's not the case.

[AdolfinWolf]

People compare fees but, lol seriously? Is it that need to be compared? Are people looking to save a buck with the risk to give up their privacy?
Privacy, Hello! Isn't it what is most important? Yes right? Now I would suggest making some searches because if you think all mixers work "great" I can assure that it's not the case.

I think it's a fair thing to do when Bestmixer's fees range from 1% (but usually start at 2.5% by default) and go up to 5% for their Gamma pool, with no proof that it actually improves privacy.
Meanwhile Chipmixer offers 0% fees, and the same level of privacy for all of their clients..?

Almost forgot about their fees per adress and tx fees;

Code:

+ 0.00029430 BTC for each receiving address 
Recommended transaction fee: 0.00133347 BTC per kilobyte

Which means that if i were to mix 0.001, i'd pay a whopping 32% in fees. (v ≈≈≈0% w/ chipmixer, if i were to accelerate a low byte tx that is obviously..)