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March 12, 2014, 03:10:25 PM
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http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26538378

"New York regulator plans 'regulated' Bitcoin exchanges"

New York's financial regulator has called on firms to submit proposals to set up "regulated" exchanges for digital currencies like Bitcoin.

The state's Department of Financial Services (NYDFS) said it wanted to better protect consumers, and prevent money-laundering.

It comes as a top Bitcoin exchange, Mt Gox, filed for bankruptcy last month.

Bitcoins have been gaining in popularity recently, but they are not governed by any financial regulator.

"The fact is that virtual currencies are unlikely to disappear entirely," said Benjamin Lawsky, New York's superintendent of financial services.

    The recent problems at Mt Gox and other firms further demonstrate the urgent need for stronger oversight of virtual currency exchanges”

"As such, turning a blind eye and failing to put in place guardrails for virtual currency firms while consumers use that product is simply not a tenable strategy for regulators."
'Stronger oversight'

The lack of any regulatory control or oversight of Bitcoins has triggered concerns on various fronts.

It is difficult to trace transactions carried out using Bitcoins - one of the factors behind their popularity - and the currency has been linked to illegal activity online.

Bitcoins are also seen by some as a route for tax evasion and money laundering.

Russia has declared transactions using the digital currency illegal, China has banned its banks from handling Bitcoin trades, and there have been calls for the US to do the same.

Singapore has imposed a tax on Bitcoin trading and using it to pay for services, after classifying it as goods, rather than a currency.

 Mt Gox customers have protested against the exchange, claiming the firm is a fraud

Earlier this month, the Japanese government also said Bitcoin is not a currency and that some transactions using the virtual unit should be taxed.

The collapse of Mt Gox has only added to the concerns.

The firm filed for bankruptcy in Japan in February after losing about $473m (£284m) worth of customers' bitcoins to what it says was a hacking attack.

"The recent problems at Mt Gox and other firms further demonstrate the urgent need for stronger oversight of virtual currency exchanges," said Mr Lawsky.

"Consumers should understand and receive appropriate disclosures about the potential risks associated with using virtual currencies or any other financial product."

Well, many of you wanted "mainstream acceptance" of crypto and now you're getting it..........................right up the Strada Chocolata!

Thanks a lot!

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March 12, 2014, 03:17:47 PM
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It sounds more like they are "controlling" centralized fiat exchanges instead of Bitcoin, but don't let that stop a sensationalist title.

Sorry, Charlie, we accept only the finest tuna and your post is not it!

New York regulations would cover all exchanges, no matter where they are located because if the exchanges wanted to do any business at all in New York, including sending or receiveing fiat or crypto, the exchanges would have to conform to New York law.

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March 12, 2014, 03:31:03 PM
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It sounds more like they are "controlling" centralized fiat exchanges instead of Bitcoin, but don't let that stop a sensationalist title.

Sorry, Charlie, we accept only the finest tuna and your post is not it!

New York regulations would cover all exchanges, no matter where they are located because if the exchanges wanted to do any business at all in New York, including sending or receiveing fiat or crypto, the exchanges would have to conform to New York law.

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Again, you are still talking about centralized fiat exchanges, not Bitcoin.

"The lack of any regulatory control or oversight of Bitcoins has triggered concerns on various fronts."

I may be misunderstanding that sentence from the article, so perhaps you could better explain to me just what it means.

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March 12, 2014, 03:34:14 PM
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People can always trade person to person, localbitcoins, etc. so they can regulate exchanges all they want. They regulate it too much and people will start trading person to person.

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March 12, 2014, 03:35:18 PM
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I view it as a good thing for bitcoin, as it will help with adopting bitcoin.

There is a majority of people that are not of an anarcho-libertarian viewpoint, and would feel more comfortable trading bitcoin in a regulated environment.

All a government can really control is the point at which fiat currency is traded for bitcoin in significant quantities in its jurisdiction.

If an extreme libertarian wanted to avoid the regulated exchanges, then I'm sure that unregulated exchangers would provide the service at a premium.
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March 12, 2014, 03:37:33 PM
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Great title:
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March 12, 2014, 03:43:07 PM
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Great title:
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The nine most terrifying words in the English language are:

I'm From The Government And I'm Here To Help



Holy Self Awareness Batman!

Someone finally gets it!

Kudos to you!

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March 12, 2014, 03:45:23 PM
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Great title:
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The nine most terrifying words in the English language are:

I'm From The Government And I'm Here To Help

A quote from a President that oversaw a record increase to the US deficit during his time in office.  Just saying...
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March 12, 2014, 03:51:02 PM
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I don't find it hard to find traditional financial services, wall street firms and banks involved in massive consumer fraud and all kinds of illegal actions.


Bitcoin do not need regulation.

And it's not about protecting consumers and preventing money laundering, it's about taxes.

If you wanted to avoid money laundering, you would actually do something with the big banks that do facilitate this, but this never happens...
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March 12, 2014, 05:29:25 PM
Last edit: March 12, 2014, 05:40:03 PM by BittBurger
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Holliday -

Please remember you're dealing with folks who just blindly hate anything related to government.
Its not about rational thought or actually reading whats written.

You are correct.
They are regulating the centralized exchanges.  Not Bitcoin.
Because Bitcoin is unaffected.  And this is only temporary.

There are *decentralized* exchange services currently in the works.
I am hoping everyone in the BTC community is waiting, salivating, for the decentralized exchange services on the way.

In the end, both parties can be happy.  No government, and no Goxxing.
In the meantime, it will help Bitcoins reputation, for people to have peace of mind about an exchange. 
And it will shut up quite a few idiot journalists and naysayers.

But behind the scenes, the truly decentralized exchanges are being completed. 
When they come forward, it won't matter if NY regulates centralized ones.

Because as Holliday stated:   
New York is not controlling bitcoin.
New York is controlling fat, latte-carrying idiots who write bad code.

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March 12, 2014, 06:26:39 PM
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New York is controlling fat, latte-carrying idiots who write bad code.

New York, isn't it the same folks that made AirBnB illegal?

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March 13, 2014, 12:27:29 AM
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I'm From The Government And I'm Here To Help You Go Bankrupt Or To Prison!

Saying that you don't trust someone because of their behavior is completely valid.
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March 13, 2014, 02:17:21 AM
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Lets be clear. Nobody is regulating bitcoin...the protocol.   They are only regulating the links between fiat and btc.  Would you do business with an unregulated bank? Regulation of exchanges are invenitable.  Its better for the community to embrace and have a say on how its regulated the resist and leave it to government officials who may not understand what they are doing. We need to engage governments so our voice is heard.
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March 13, 2014, 02:18:43 AM
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I'm From The Government And I'm Here To Help You Go Bankrupt Or To Prison!

Thank you for your insightful and accurate post.

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March 13, 2014, 02:47:43 AM
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Lets be clear. Nobody is regulating bitcoin...the protocol.   They are only regulating the links between fiat and btc.  Would you do business with an unregulated bank? Regulation of exchanges are invenitable.  Its better for the community to embrace and have a say on how its regulated the resist and leave it to government officials who may not understand what they are doing. We need to engage governments so our voice is heard.

The problem is , the gov never ever has the best intrests down the road. What happens is, just a little bit... then over time it gets layer upon layer of regs and before you know it, its bogged down with regulation and taxes. That is how the government works. Not to help me, you , or your friend... they are only concerned of protecting their own, which is big business and banks.

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March 13, 2014, 07:23:55 AM
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Well, here comes the government from Brooklyn, We are now safe! Regulate them, MT GOX just got them screwed they are now vulnerable populations.
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March 13, 2014, 07:49:15 AM
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I changed the subject to something with a little more shock value and click appeal.  Roll Eyes Probably more likely too. Why don't you post all these news threads in the Press sub forum.

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March 13, 2014, 08:33:59 AM
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It sounds more like they are "controlling" centralized fiat exchanges instead of Bitcoin, but don't let that stop a sensationalist title.

Sorry, Charlie, we accept only the finest tuna and your post is not it!

New York regulations would cover all exchanges, no matter where they are located because if the exchanges wanted to do any business at all in New York, including sending or receiveing fiat or crypto, the exchanges would have to conform to New York law.

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To be fair- the United States does not dictate what other countries will do with regulation (although it may influence it in some cases). I'm betting most people here aren't American or US based- so when you say 'all exchanges' that comes across as fairly sensationalist to someone living elsewhere. The thing that I love about Bitcoin is that although the US will influence adoption, it does not necessarily need the US to drive adoption to succeed- and that's the beauty of a decentralised currency- you can regulate locally, but it is impossible to regulate the whole, internationally.

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March 13, 2014, 03:39:18 PM
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It sounds more like they are "controlling" centralized fiat exchanges instead of Bitcoin, but don't let that stop a sensationalist title.

Sorry, Charlie, we accept only the finest tuna and your post is not it!

New York regulations would cover all exchanges, no matter where they are located because if the exchanges wanted to do any business at all in New York, including sending or receiveing fiat or crypto, the exchanges would have to conform to New York law.

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To be fair- the United States does not dictate what other countries will do with regulation (although it may influence it in some cases). I'm betting most people here aren't American or US based- so when you say 'all exchanges' that comes across as fairly sensationalist to someone living elsewhere. The thing that I love about Bitcoin is that although the US will influence adoption, it does not necessarily need the US to drive adoption to succeed- and that's the beauty of a decentralised currency- you can regulate locally, but it is impossible to regulate the whole, internationally.

The USA can and does enforce its home laws overseas under what are termed the "long arm" statutes.

Example, the operators of several online casinos were arrested, charged and convicted of violation of US law even though the online casions were located in Europe.

If he US requires that ofshore exchanges conform to Fin-CEN and anti-money laundering states and those exchanges fail to comply, they most assuredly can be blocked from doing business in the USA.

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March 13, 2014, 04:11:52 PM
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People can always trade person to person, localbitcoins, etc. so they can regulate exchanges all they want. They regulate it too much and people will start trading person to person.



this^

Anyone who wants to be a "regulated" exchange for bitcoin will be operating at a disadvantage to all the other exchanges that operate outside of regulations. Normally this is curtailed by the state using guns to shut down "unregulated" businesses, but that can't work in bitcoin-land.

I have to say I really enjoy watching these guys like Chuck Schumer, Manchin, Lawsky, and more all trying to do the impossible.

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New York is controlling fat, latte-carrying idiots who write bad code.

Hey, don't smear lattes with Mark Karpeles. The pure deliciousness of coffee, cream, and sugar blended together in an energy-producing beverage should in no way be associated with fraud.

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