When you win does someone else have to lose.

[posi]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Thats the logical concept behind crypto currency price movement and what will determine if someone actually make losses while you did a profitable trading is the trend which the poses. Besides, if we are in bullish market trend and you intend to sell your holding cause you comfortable with your profit no one will make loss which the market usually increase every seconds but if we are in bearish market trend if someone make a profitable trade then somebody somewhere will definitely make loses.

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[Malsetid]

Winning usually comes from competition. And in any competition there is a winner or  loser. Soooo probably yeah,  there's bound to soneone who will lose. No hard feelings. It's one or the other. Both competitors, in any field, do their best to claim victory and there always has to be one victor.

[Red-Apple]

i think you might be misunderstanding the metaphor. it is true that in a market during trading when you make profit someone else is losing but it is not literal.
it is mainly saying that in a market there are always some people who are losing and some who are winning. there doesn't have to be an equality between the two groups and it has nothing to do with price rise or fall either. we may have more losers during rises than we have during falls!

[shesheboy]

Winning usually comes from competition. And in any competition there is a winner or  loser. Soooo probably yeah,  there's bound to soneone who will lose. No hard feelings. It's one or the other. Both competitors, in any field, do their best to claim victory and there always has to be one victor.

In this scene that we are working  right now ( specifically cryptos )  there is no competition here . there is no need to rush because the game here is about waiting .

 the longer you wait the higher chance that you will earn more  but this also depends on the coin of your choice  .  not all coins can rise and pump in the longer run  , only top coins such as bitcoin , eth , bch and others  are the ones that have the potentiall to do this  .

@op yes its true.  When some one sells at high others hodlers loose because the value can suddenly go down but this will still recover if the hodler has a patient to wait .

[poptok1]

I would say it is perspective dependant, what view you are willing to take results with a particular outcome.
Like in this example below, Pursuer  sees two winners, someone else may see two losers because they have depraved themselves of future possible profits and lost 500,1000  bucks respectively etc. That would be my stance in a way, I do not believe in fiats any more, for me any exchange from crypto is a loosing situation. All I want is bitcoin to become a legal tender, so exchanges can go obsolete.

secondly, the market is so much more complicated than that. for example imagine price that is rising from $3000 to $4000. if I buy at $3000 and sell at $3500 to you whom will sell at $4000 we have both made profit and there is no "loser" here.

[ethereumhunter]

If you can win, other people will lose. That is what happens in trading, gambling, and other fields. But there is not just you who could win because there are more people who can win also and I think that the profit will be different too. So I think that is natural and I think you cannot always make a profit because the situations will change especially if you are making a mistake in your analysis so other people will replace your position to take the profit.

[goaldigger]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

What is the essense of winning if no one loses? Ofcourse there will always be a loser if somebody would become a winner. Its the same concept use in the market. If you get a better price for the trade, it means that someone miscalculated the event. Same with the manipulators who are the winner and the panic sellers who are always the losers.

[sopanbmp]

What's meaning of trading? we buy and we sell, there are some people really smart on analysis and some people who only use their lust. We can't blame our self for their losses of course.

[eroejoe]

Someone with that particular trade need fiat (to buy something) or stable coin (for furder speculation), and someone needs crypto at that particular price (mostly for speculation). It is good to have liquidity on both sides. If you buy high and sell low then you are in loss, if you buy low and sell high you are in profit. Nobody knows what will come with tomorrow. Sometimes you make good choice, sometimes bad choice.

[siggy_77]

In a static or contracting market, YES - for you to win, someone else has to lose.  There is only a limited amount of pie to spread around.

In an expanding market, NO.  You can both win, because ultimately there is ever more of the proverbial pie to split up.  Just because you are getting a bigger piece, that does not necessarily mean that someone else has to get a smaller piece.  He may just win less.  I guess you could call that a kind-of lose, but I don't. Note:  this does not preclude someone losing because you are winning, it just makes it not a requirement.

Ultimately, however, at some point the universe, and along with it humankind will end.  So we cannot have a forever expanding market.  It will eventually hit a long decline and return to zero.   So in the very long run, the answer is probably back to YES.  

In the end, we ALL lose

Rather depressing isn't it ?

Sigg

[YOSHIE]

In the world of trade, especially parts of cryptocurrency such as Altcoin, but the name of the trade certainly expects profits. if it can't be profitable, it means we lose, just two factors no more, to the detriment of others I don't think so, it's already a risk when we buy high-priced altcoins and sell cheap prices.

In the crypto business there are two speculations about it, (between heaven and hell), we don't realize that every risk will exist,
I think it's not us who harm others, this has also been experienced by everyone, when prices go down and rise.

[coinplus]

I think you kind of on the right track with the question but forgetting the fact that "losing" and "not winning enough" is not the same thing. Someone could buy a coin from 100 satoshi and sell at 200 satoshi, you could be the person who bought at 200 satoshi and sell at 1000 satoshi, now here the first person doubled their money but could have done x10 and you bought at his max double profit but you made x5 profits with it, here you both won, he just could have won more but that doesn't make him "lose".

Of course looking at how the mentality of "I could have made so much more" be a loser mindset and instead people should focus on how much they made instead of how much they could have made but all the same you both won profits from that trade and that is why you do not have to have a "loser". Of course there are situations where you buy at 100 and sell at 1000 and buyer at 1000 has to sell it at 200 when it falls so that one could be considered a loser.

[daarul50]

For traders or investors, they will not feel loss by buying a few coins that you think when you sell it get a profit because it could be that the coins you sell in the future the price will be higher than when you sell them to the buyer. No one is harmed in terms of trading because there will be no sale and purchase if the seller and buyer do not agree with the price offered.

[eaLiTy]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?
For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

You really cannot sum up like that every time you earn a profit someone out there is loosing, the people who are selling the coins might be selling them at a profit and then where is the loss comes from, it is a mixture of everything, no one will sell at a loss unless they are very bad at handling their finances.
Could you specify which coins you have invested and which ones are in profit so that others will have an idea.

[radjie]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

yes, that is the nature of trade that can generate profits behind people who suffer losses. for example, you buy coins at a low price from someone who sells them in panic and the coins you have can be stored in the long run, but coin stock is limited so the coins you have for a long time are more valuable in the market, so this is called trade speculation before inflation

[Lanatsa]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

This is how things do works specially into these market.Where there are only two types of traders which are winners or losses just like on typical gambling site too.

When you earn then someone losses and its just a normal thing thats why trading would really be still like a tug or war, trying our best to earn on the most effective
way to trade. Only exchangers dont have the risk of losing yet they do have commision whenever these buyers and sellers made.

[hulla]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?
For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

You really cannot sum up like that every time you earn a profit someone out there is loosing, the people who are selling the coins might be selling them at a profit and then where is the loss comes from, it is a mixture of everything, no one will sell at a loss unless they are very bad at handling their finances.
Could you specify which coins you have invested and which ones are in profit so that others will have an idea.

Partially agree and disagreed with what you said because the market currently resist down trend price this days and if the person that losses was patience to wait till the next he would have gain back his losses. What I'm trying to point out is that  it the market status that will determine what will happen.

[adaseb]

Most short term trading is zero-sum game, not accounting for commissions and other trading fees.

The only type of investments that might not be zero-sum is maybe someone holding some long term stocks like with their retirement fund. With inflation stocks generally go up and so each investor if given enough time (and assuming the stock doesn't go bankrupt) they can sell at a profit.

But with Bitcoin, especially the futures market is zero-sum. You either make money or lose money. Hence this is why its called "Trading" because you are trading positions.

[Ipwich]

Looks pretty similar to gambling, exchange site are just like sportsbook, they both get commission from people.

This could be true that one has to loss money in order for the others to make money, we are playing in the market, and we love to take that high risk activity because we always want to get the best reward possible. When crypto will succeed there could be more people who will win but if it will fall, only few will win as most of us are bullish in the market.

[omonuyak]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

That is how many of us think and I do disagree with such views.  When you makes profits from your investments no one is losing except in speculative or margin trading.  But what most of us know as trading here when you makes profits from your investments the person that buy from you only will lose if he sell below his purchasing pricing.