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Trading is money circulation, so if you are selling someone else are buying. If you are buying someone else are selling. So money is circulating around us. and obviously you are getting profit means some will loss. For example you bought a coin for $1 and you sold $1.5, so $0.5 came from where? That means someone bought this and he might sell $2, and it will be continues and eventually someone will on loss if drop price. But it doesn't mean a single peoples loss whatever your profit. Because someone selling 1% loss or something else. So money is circulating and dividing as well.
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You know in my experience I lose many times in trading and it is okay for me because it not always lost. There will be a time that we can still win and make a profit. Lossing is normal especially when you are a beginner.
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April 17, 2019, 06:28:28 PM |
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Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?
For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.
My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.
Not necessarily. Theoretically when you trade and you sell for example, someone else buys your coins in the price that you trade and you consider that this price is a high one (because you are selling). But actually you don't know which is the price that the other trader has sold/bought so maybe a trade may be a win-win.
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April 17, 2019, 09:12:24 PM |
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My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking?
when you (seller) make profit, the other guy (buyer) doesn't always at loss but this condition is only true if the fresh buyer puts fresh money adding up to capitalization however that buyer will incur loss if he later sells at a lower price in an uptrend price (bullish market) there will be more winners, higher cap ~ money inflow but in a downtrend price (bearish market) there will be much more losers, lower cap ~ money outflow
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April 18, 2019, 03:14:54 AM |
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You know in my experience I lose many times in trading and it is okay for me because it not always lost. There will be a time that we can still win and make a profit. Lossing is normal especially when you are a beginner.
Don't lose hope even if you been losing many times, situations always change depending on your outlook. Have more positive virtues in life and make those failures in life as your strength despite of all worst experiences. If you're going to survive on that, that's for sure the future will bring more luck on you depending on your hard work
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April 18, 2019, 03:34:54 AM |
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You know in my experience I lose many times in trading and it is okay for me because it not always lost. There will be a time that we can still win and make a profit. Lossing is normal especially when you are a beginner.
Its normal for a beginner to experience loosing but others that are not a beginner anymore do still experience to loose because its really hard to do trades or investing on the crypto market due to the fact that cryptos are too unstable and verry unpredictable . if you buy and you loose , dont worry mate because someone else is earning and benefiting from your loss . this was the good side of crypto because you arent working here for your self . we are not selfish here in crypto . not unlike to other business that the owner is the only one that are earning a profit .
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April 18, 2019, 04:22:08 PM |
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If you are shorting the market, then you are definitely gaining profits from a failing market. You are definitely gaining from somebody's losses.
If you are only making market or limit trades, you cannot tell. Maybe they are selling at that spot because they are already in profit or buying to make more.
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April 18, 2019, 07:00:50 PM |
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Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?
For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.
My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.
Not necessarily that someone must loose because you made profit from your trading. They will only lose if and only if they sell their holding below the market value they bought the coins in question.
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So much pussy footing in here. Yes, your wins are at someone else's expense. Easiest case, if you buy the lowest point of a bear market, someone sold those coins to you and is missing out on the profits from the subsequent rise (Losing). That means, whether they were in profit or not when they sold, they still missed out on further wins. Now, if you sell the absolute top before the bear comes back, obviously he who bought your coins loses. All this talk about "if you wait long enough..." No! Not how this works at all. I don't care who you sold to, even at the top, even if they wait for profit on the next rise, PLENTY have lost to pay for your win. Trading is zero sum, period. Just the way it is. It do dat.
Lets do a little thought experiment.
Player A, player B and player C all buy in at $1 with $100 of capital. Price rises to $10 where player A sells to new player D for $1000. Price keeps rising to $15. Now the score is A=$1000, B=$1500, C=$1500 and D=$1500. Player A's missed profits of $500 went to player D and player D's initial investment of $1000 is where the profits for B and C come from. $1500 in profit total since $10 price. Should player A buy back in at $15, he now has 50% less coins and 33% less value had he not sold early. So lets say players B and C each sold 30 and 20 coins respectively to player A and then the price tanks to $7.50. The new score is Player A=$375 or 50 coins, B=$525 or 70 coins (AND $450 cash), C=$600 or 80 coins (AND $300 cash) and D=$750 or 100 coins. losses for this round are A=-$625, B=-$525, C=-$600, D=-$750, and new total valuation is A=$375, B=$975, C=$900, D=$750.
Now think of the situation where Bitcoin is found to have a fatal flaw. The first few people get out with something, the rest are left holding a bag of useless 1's and 0's as the fiat evaporates from the market. <-This is also why "Market cap" is the absolute worst thing to derive the value of Bitcoin. There is no way everyone would ever get out for anything above $1.00. All the bid depths combined would only allow one or two large holders to exit fully.
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April 18, 2019, 08:51:39 PM |
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Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?
For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.
My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.
Not necessarily that someone must loose because you made profit from your trading. They will only lose if and only if they sell their holding below the market value they bought the coins in question. But knowing those stuffs behind wont really be possible for those people who have sell their holding either they do already profit out or just simply panic selling but well this cycle is just a normal or casual stuff with trading market.If you do gain then someone's gonna loss maybe not on the same person but as a general.
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April 18, 2019, 10:19:48 PM |
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Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?
For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.
My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.
Everyone will have a different opportunity. there will be those who win and some will lose. things like this are things that must be accepted by every trader. when they make a successful decision it will make a profit and when a trader makes a wrong decision then it will make a loss of assets he has.
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April 19, 2019, 12:22:17 AM |
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..yeah of course..that's how it really works..for every gain you make..there is always someone who loses from your win..there comes a successful traders who wins and gain profit in every good decision it makes..but there is also a trader who losses much in a wrong decision he make,,much worst scenario is that he sells all his assets in order to gain and recover from his lost not knowing that he would end up to nothing..how sad is the life of a trader : ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif)
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April 19, 2019, 07:07:45 AM |
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in the world of trading, it depends on someone. when they seek profits from a price, they may get a loss. but, when he uses it for his sake. it all depends on one's purpose. it can be an advantage, and loss depends on the purpose of the user.
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April 21, 2019, 11:13:23 AM |
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Everyone will have a different opportunity. there will be those who win and some will lose. things like this are things that must be accepted by every trader. when they make a successful decision it will make a profit and when a trader makes a wrong decision then it will make a loss of assets he has.
It's pretty normal because it's a game of prediction, and you cannot make good prediction all the time. You make bad prediction you loss but you strive to make it right the next time, it's about improving your strategy until you make a good one that gives profit. Every trader has different effort put in their work, some just smart enough, so we will never have the same results.
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April 21, 2019, 12:12:14 PM |
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in the world of trading, it depends on someone. when they seek profits from a price, they may get a loss. but, when he uses it for his sake. it all depends on one's purpose. it can be an advantage, and loss depends on the purpose of the user.
Yes, in any trading business there is not always you will be in winning /head side where you will earn profit always there were times will come you have to bear the loss in trading, similarly in crypto market crisis will come and you will be in loss but don't give up wait for your turn and focus more towards buy/sell best practices in the crypto market.
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April 21, 2019, 12:31:10 PM |
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Everyone will have a different opportunity. there will be those who win and some will lose. things like this are things that must be accepted by every trader. when they make a successful decision it will make a profit and when a trader makes a wrong decision then it will make a loss of assets he has.
It's pretty normal because it's a game of prediction, and you cannot make good prediction all the time. You make bad prediction you loss but you strive to make it right the next time, it's about improving your strategy until you make a good one that gives profit. Every trader has different effort put in their work, some just smart enough, so we will never have the same results. Results would really be never the same anytime and this market is like a battlefield of traders where they do need to make profits on selling or buying their coins. If someone gains then someone do losses and this is how the market works.It would continue as long there are sellers and buyers.The thing here is that you do know how to survive into this market,if not then you'll end up on the floor.
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April 21, 2019, 05:56:27 PM |
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Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?
As far as I know that is how trading works, that's why people need to be very careful on a trade that they're going to make because any amount that they'll buy will be a profit for someone else. For example, certain coin gains over 30% to its price and some people gets FOMO and bought at higher price that could be a profit for those who placed a sell order at that price and those who got FOMO loss because the price didn't go higher anymore. It's just like, in order for you to gain profit there should be someone else to lose.
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April 22, 2019, 03:15:59 AM |
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Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?
As far as I know that is how trading works, that's why people need to be very careful on a trade that they're going to make because any amount that they'll buy will be a profit for someone else. For example, certain coin gains over 30% to its price and some people gets FOMO and bought at higher price that could be a profit for those who placed a sell order at that price and those who got FOMO loss because the price didn't go higher anymore. It's just like, in order for you to gain profit there should be someone else to lose. The FOMO will completely give opportunity for smart traders to make money. Some would certainly loss as the price will be overvalued and the moment it will correct, panic selling will happen. The pump and dump game is fun if you like fast profit, it's high risk but it could give better reward if you are in the right side.
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April 22, 2019, 06:13:19 AM |
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Actually I have asked this same thing but in another users thread.
It depends. If you are buying or selling at his order then that means he may have already made a profit out of it. Or he could be expecting more that is why he is buying at a recent price.
Same thing about regretting when you sell early then the price goes up. The buyer now is the winner whom could sell at a larger price and it goes on.
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April 22, 2019, 07:14:11 AM |
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Actually I have asked this same thing but in another users thread.
It depends. If you are buying or selling at his order then that means he may have already made a profit out of it. Or he could be expecting more that is why he is buying at a recent price.
Same thing about regretting when you sell early then the price goes up. The buyer now is the winner whom could sell at a larger price and it goes on.
I think it is about on how we acknowledge the current situation based on the strategy we created by our own deliberation. If we invest more coins while the market is on bear trend, then we can say that thrive is on our way, just keep optimism for a great bull will occur by the near future. And those who are not invested, then it is their big loses.
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