When you win does someone else have to lose.

[jackg]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

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[YuginKadoya]

A loss is part of the human experience, We can not say that if you win in trading there would surely be someone that is gonna loss but I really think that this is not of your fault or just a coincidental thing, I think that in trading in will include all of your research and waiting that you will surely win in it, but if this is about gambling then I think that if there are people that are winning then there are people that are also winning the edge will surely random pick it and it will all base on luck,

[therhslv]

Ofcourse , thats how it works . Lets say you Long Bitcoin with 100k USD and bitcoin doubles . Where do you think you will get that other part of 100k USD ? The ones that shorted bitcoin and lost because of the BTC value went up double . Exchange just keeps like 1% of the sum .

[Adriano2010]

Maybe yes, or maybe no, if you sell your LTC let say for 0.02 btc and you buy it before for 0.01 btc, you have a profit or 0.01 btc and who buy your LTC pay 0.02 BTC and who buy it wait and sell after LTC grow to 0.025 BTC he make a profit of 0.005 BTC and no one lose on this case.

[livingfree]

but I really think that this is not of your fault or just a coincidental thing

It is part of trading, it's not our problem if others are losing in trading that's the nature of it. We are aware that some are panic selling and cutting losses so it's really a very normal thing when someone is trading not just for crypto's but also in stock markets.

We feel sorry for those who trade at a very wrong timing but that's how life goes. Did the first traders did even thought about this before? I don't think so.

[exstasie]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking?

Short answer: on average, in long term ranging markets (which is probably most markets), yes. Winners are taking their profits from losers.

Long answer: it depends. Take Bitcoin or the S&P 500 for example. These markets since their launch have always trended upwards. That means on average, every buyer is able to sell higher. But it all boils down each trader's cost basis and when he actually decides to sell. Even if you sell the top and someone else buys the top, he may be able to sell higher if he holds long enough.

[gentlemand]

I don't care who's on the other end of a trade. If it's going to mean there's no insulin for Junior then they shouldn't be there.

For all I know the alt I buy for $10 from someone might have been mined by them for 1c in electricity years back. If I sell it for $50 a few weeks later then the buyer may be able to sell it for $100 the next day or $1000 in a year or two.

It's an endless game of musical chairs and everyone's risk is their own problem.

[n0ne]

This is how the trade keeps on moving. If everyone wins, then this isn't trading. Only through this process exchanges can profit apart from the trading fee. When a trade is marked successful one gets the asset for a specific value and another person sells the same for specific price. Here I don't mention it a win or loss, because both have different perspective on profiting through the same asset.

[Theb]

Just my opinion and way of thinking the answer is it depends and you really have no way of telling it. Remember that the sellers are the one putting up the asking price and they dictate what price they will sell their cryptocurrencies for, if they are selling below the price they have bought it then they'll definitely lose money but if they are selling above the price they have bought it then he didn't lose at all. The same thing can be said when you are on the selling side, you cannot really tell what happens next after the buyer have matched your offer. Even if you see it fall right after you sell you can really never know if the ones who bought your crypto have cut their losses, have somehow profited, or even have hodled it to sell in the future when prices are higher.

The thing is you don't need to think what has happened to the one who have matched your offer with as they are the ones who will dictate if they will win or lose in the market, this isn't really a someone wins while the other one loses scenario.

[olumyd]

The thing with trading cryptocurrency or digital assets trading and maybe every other type of trade is trading like a cycle and circle. You think someone's losing, he waits a little while and profits too... And if the next person is as smart as the system they'll keep it going, however, if someone gets greedy or cocky then they hit a rock.

So the real answer is obvious someone becomes a loser at some point.

[BitHodler]

People who invested for the long run have always had an opportunity to sell higher, but it all comes down to patience. In most cases people here are very short term minded, so they tend to lose more than they make profit.

I have been accumulating coins between the $6000-$7000 mark, which technically means that those who I bought the coins from did a better job than me due to my paper losses, but I don't sell anything so I don't lose.

If you also add that I accumulated coins well under the $4000 mark, my average buying price came down significantly, which means that I don't need $6000 levels to break even on paper. Again, patience is everything.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

There are always winners & losers in life jackg, man. You have to grow a thick skin & not give a shit.
Try & make sure that you’re always coming out as the winner & that relates to everything else not just crypto.

Tip - HODL your bitcoin’s for another 2-3 years & you’ll be a very wealthy man. Only losers are selling in bulk now.

[Bitmagister]

Although the logical answer seems to be yes, that someone loses so that you win, this is very relative if we only refer to the cryptocurrencies themselves, without taking into account their value in fiat, because what is really done in an exchange is the exchange of something that you have with someone who wants to possess what you offer. If you offer a bitcoin and you agree that someone exchange it for 10 ethers, everyone got what they wanted through a conscious and voluntary exchange. If at the time of exchange that cryptos for cash there is a noticeable difference, that is independent of the action itself of the exchange made.

[TalkStar]

Trading method has build up with this strategy and we can't do anything with that mate. its a system where one make smart profits and another person lose from his side. Buyer and sellers are the most important factor of trading. The thing which makes the difference is the knowledge of trading. As much as you have experience about crypto trading as much as possibilities you got to win.

Every buyer and seller apply their own tricks to be successful on their trade. I think its not a matter of winning or losing. Its a matter of applying great strategies where winners always get his reward for his best strategy.

[Oceat]

Of course, someone should have to win and someone should have to lose but don't just think it badly since both of you are in that field since trading is just like gambling. Both of you accepts the risk of winning and losing it's the nature of a cycle, so in order to get what you want you must have to give it first.

[mrdeposit]

If the price does not always increase, the loser is absolute. Maybe the trader who sold you got it from lower price, but its equivalent was in the past. That is the rule of trade and there is no escape from it.

[mikeywith]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

yes, if not then where does the money (profit) come from? someone has to pay for it.

it might not be a direct form of losing money,it could be a profit left on the table which the other person/s left for you. it's a bit hard to break down but just remember that every cent of profit you make is someone else's loss.

[Ararbermas]

For me no because it's part of the game which you will win only if you have certain coin to trade and you will experience lose as well unless if you trade on uncertain coin.  It's not a battle actually and its not about how lucky you are which is its all about how you play and your strategy to handle the situation.

[Pursuer]

first of all "win or lose" is not a one time, one order thing. it is a long term thing that is the aggregate of all the actions you have ever taken or in the market all the orders you have executed. so you may lose money in one trade but make a lot in the other or vice versa. for example that is how a lot of newbies lost a lot of money (upto 90% of their investment) during past 2 years just because they thought they were "winning" because of a couple of shots in the dark that gave them profit during 2017.

secondly, the market is so much more complicated than that. for example imagine price that is rising from $3000 to $4000. if I buy at $3000 and sell at $3500 to you whom will sell at $4000 we have both made profit and there is no "loser" here.

[freedomgo]

Someone would lose if the market is not good.
The pump and dump is a classic example where a trader might loss his money, those who are smart can do it with timing but those
who got hype only might end up a bag holder. That's my example and I have experience of this in the early stage.

[posi]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Thats the logical concept behind crypto currency price movement and what will determine if someone actually make losses while you did a profitable trading is the trend which the poses. Besides, if we are in bullish market trend and you intend to sell your holding cause you comfortable with your profit no one will make loss which the market usually increase every seconds but if we are in bearish market trend if someone make a profitable trade then somebody somewhere will definitely make loses.

[Malsetid]

Winning usually comes from competition. And in any competition there is a winner or  loser. Soooo probably yeah,  there's bound to soneone who will lose. No hard feelings. It's one or the other. Both competitors, in any field, do their best to claim victory and there always has to be one victor.

[Red-Apple]

i think you might be misunderstanding the metaphor. it is true that in a market during trading when you make profit someone else is losing but it is not literal.
it is mainly saying that in a market there are always some people who are losing and some who are winning. there doesn't have to be an equality between the two groups and it has nothing to do with price rise or fall either. we may have more losers during rises than we have during falls!

[shesheboy]

Winning usually comes from competition. And in any competition there is a winner or  loser. Soooo probably yeah,  there's bound to soneone who will lose. No hard feelings. It's one or the other. Both competitors, in any field, do their best to claim victory and there always has to be one victor.

In this scene that we are working  right now ( specifically cryptos )  there is no competition here . there is no need to rush because the game here is about waiting .

 the longer you wait the higher chance that you will earn more  but this also depends on the coin of your choice  .  not all coins can rise and pump in the longer run  , only top coins such as bitcoin , eth , bch and others  are the ones that have the potentiall to do this  .

@op yes its true.  When some one sells at high others hodlers loose because the value can suddenly go down but this will still recover if the hodler has a patient to wait .

[poptok1]

I would say it is perspective dependant, what view you are willing to take results with a particular outcome.
Like in this example below, Pursuer  sees two winners, someone else may see two losers because they have depraved themselves of future possible profits and lost 500,1000  bucks respectively etc. That would be my stance in a way, I do not believe in fiats any more, for me any exchange from crypto is a loosing situation. All I want is bitcoin to become a legal tender, so exchanges can go obsolete.

secondly, the market is so much more complicated than that. for example imagine price that is rising from $3000 to $4000. if I buy at $3000 and sell at $3500 to you whom will sell at $4000 we have both made profit and there is no "loser" here.

[ethereumhunter]

If you can win, other people will lose. That is what happens in trading, gambling, and other fields. But there is not just you who could win because there are more people who can win also and I think that the profit will be different too. So I think that is natural and I think you cannot always make a profit because the situations will change especially if you are making a mistake in your analysis so other people will replace your position to take the profit.

[goaldigger]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

What is the essense of winning if no one loses? Ofcourse there will always be a loser if somebody would become a winner. Its the same concept use in the market. If you get a better price for the trade, it means that someone miscalculated the event. Same with the manipulators who are the winner and the panic sellers who are always the losers.

[sopanbmp]

What's meaning of trading? we buy and we sell, there are some people really smart on analysis and some people who only use their lust. We can't blame our self for their losses of course.

[eroejoe]

Someone with that particular trade need fiat (to buy something) or stable coin (for furder speculation), and someone needs crypto at that particular price (mostly for speculation). It is good to have liquidity on both sides. If you buy high and sell low then you are in loss, if you buy low and sell high you are in profit. Nobody knows what will come with tomorrow. Sometimes you make good choice, sometimes bad choice.

[siggy_77]

In a static or contracting market, YES - for you to win, someone else has to lose.  There is only a limited amount of pie to spread around.

In an expanding market, NO.  You can both win, because ultimately there is ever more of the proverbial pie to split up.  Just because you are getting a bigger piece, that does not necessarily mean that someone else has to get a smaller piece.  He may just win less.  I guess you could call that a kind-of lose, but I don't. Note:  this does not preclude someone losing because you are winning, it just makes it not a requirement.

Ultimately, however, at some point the universe, and along with it humankind will end.  So we cannot have a forever expanding market.  It will eventually hit a long decline and return to zero.   So in the very long run, the answer is probably back to YES.  

In the end, we ALL lose

Rather depressing isn't it ?

Sigg

[YOSHIE]

In the world of trade, especially parts of cryptocurrency such as Altcoin, but the name of the trade certainly expects profits. if it can't be profitable, it means we lose, just two factors no more, to the detriment of others I don't think so, it's already a risk when we buy high-priced altcoins and sell cheap prices.

In the crypto business there are two speculations about it, (between heaven and hell), we don't realize that every risk will exist,
I think it's not us who harm others, this has also been experienced by everyone, when prices go down and rise.

[coinplus]

I think you kind of on the right track with the question but forgetting the fact that "losing" and "not winning enough" is not the same thing. Someone could buy a coin from 100 satoshi and sell at 200 satoshi, you could be the person who bought at 200 satoshi and sell at 1000 satoshi, now here the first person doubled their money but could have done x10 and you bought at his max double profit but you made x5 profits with it, here you both won, he just could have won more but that doesn't make him "lose".

Of course looking at how the mentality of "I could have made so much more" be a loser mindset and instead people should focus on how much they made instead of how much they could have made but all the same you both won profits from that trade and that is why you do not have to have a "loser". Of course there are situations where you buy at 100 and sell at 1000 and buyer at 1000 has to sell it at 200 when it falls so that one could be considered a loser.

[daarul50]

For traders or investors, they will not feel loss by buying a few coins that you think when you sell it get a profit because it could be that the coins you sell in the future the price will be higher than when you sell them to the buyer. No one is harmed in terms of trading because there will be no sale and purchase if the seller and buyer do not agree with the price offered.

[eaLiTy]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?
For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

You really cannot sum up like that every time you earn a profit someone out there is loosing, the people who are selling the coins might be selling them at a profit and then where is the loss comes from, it is a mixture of everything, no one will sell at a loss unless they are very bad at handling their finances.
Could you specify which coins you have invested and which ones are in profit so that others will have an idea.

[radjie]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

yes, that is the nature of trade that can generate profits behind people who suffer losses. for example, you buy coins at a low price from someone who sells them in panic and the coins you have can be stored in the long run, but coin stock is limited so the coins you have for a long time are more valuable in the market, so this is called trade speculation before inflation

[Lanatsa]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

This is how things do works specially into these market.Where there are only two types of traders which are winners or losses just like on typical gambling site too.

When you earn then someone losses and its just a normal thing thats why trading would really be still like a tug or war, trying our best to earn on the most effective
way to trade. Only exchangers dont have the risk of losing yet they do have commision whenever these buyers and sellers made.

[hulla]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?
For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

You really cannot sum up like that every time you earn a profit someone out there is loosing, the people who are selling the coins might be selling them at a profit and then where is the loss comes from, it is a mixture of everything, no one will sell at a loss unless they are very bad at handling their finances.
Could you specify which coins you have invested and which ones are in profit so that others will have an idea.

Partially agree and disagreed with what you said because the market currently resist down trend price this days and if the person that losses was patience to wait till the next he would have gain back his losses. What I'm trying to point out is that  it the market status that will determine what will happen.

[adaseb]

Most short term trading is zero-sum game, not accounting for commissions and other trading fees.

The only type of investments that might not be zero-sum is maybe someone holding some long term stocks like with their retirement fund. With inflation stocks generally go up and so each investor if given enough time (and assuming the stock doesn't go bankrupt) they can sell at a profit.

But with Bitcoin, especially the futures market is zero-sum. You either make money or lose money. Hence this is why its called "Trading" because you are trading positions.

[Ipwich]

Looks pretty similar to gambling, exchange site are just like sportsbook, they both get commission from people.

This could be true that one has to loss money in order for the others to make money, we are playing in the market, and we love to take that high risk activity because we always want to get the best reward possible. When crypto will succeed there could be more people who will win but if it will fall, only few will win as most of us are bullish in the market.

[omonuyak]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

That is how many of us think and I do disagree with such views.  When you makes profits from your investments no one is losing except in speculative or margin trading.  But what most of us know as trading here when you makes profits from your investments the person that buy from you only will lose if he sell below his purchasing pricing.

[2chase]

The market is much more complex than we can imagine. But the fact remains that when someone earns it, someone else undoubtedly loses money. It cannot be otherwise. This is very simple math. So it has always been and will be so on. No one has yet invented a system in which everyone was making money, and no one would lose anything.

[jhonjhon]

The market is much more complex than we can imagine. But the fact remains that when someone earns it, someone else undoubtedly loses money. It cannot be otherwise. This is very simple math. So it has always been and will be so on. No one has yet invented a system in which everyone was making money, and no one would lose anything.

Its a balance, it also apply to our real life, it sometime we are happy and  sometime we feel mad.
We feel great that we are winning today but we don't know that someone out there feel so sad cause they loss something. In this matter, we should think ourself that we shouldn't feel confident for everything we have now to stay for us forever cause there is a time that it will be running out from our hands.

[Hamphser]

The market is much more complex than we can imagine. But the fact remains that when someone earns it, someone else undoubtedly loses money. It cannot be otherwise. This is very simple math. So it has always been and will be so on. No one has yet invented a system in which everyone was making money, and no one would lose anything.

And thats the reality.If we earn then someone losses thats why we are here on this market competing against other traders for the sake of profits.There would always be a loser and winners side and its part of the reality that should really be accepted because if you do think up on how these things works then it will just give out headache and  stress.No need no bother yourself about those someone who lose money because they wont mind you if you lose too.

[Polar91]

That's how the market works. There are no markets that always benefiting everyone wherein no one makes loss. We shouldn't be bother about that since those who are unfortunate for that period could be able to sooner or later. Those who make losses can use their mistakes as a lesson; however some just give up since they aren't capable to put money at stake in order to earn and learn.

[Lpim01]

That's how the market works. There are no markets that always benefiting everyone wherein no one makes loss. We shouldn't be bother about that since those who are unfortunate for that period could be able to sooner or later. Those who make losses can use their mistakes as a lesson; however some just give up since they aren't capable to put money at stake in order to earn and learn.

Not all of us where crypto is place to be, if we never have that huge understanding, easily get bored and of being impatient individual will surely leave crypto. This is a place where we learn to accept losses and to be patient, but the good thing in crypto is that, it teaches us on how to decide and to be strong when a certain thing happen just like of market crisis.

[magneto]

The counter party that you are trading with doesn't necessarily have to lose.

For example, someone could trade you BTC at $4k and make a profit because he bought at a lower level, while you may be able to ride the next bull market and turn your BTC for a profit by selling at the peak.

Also, given that adoption continues to increase and if the utility of bitcoin increases, it's not necessary that bitcoin is a zero sum game.

In a purely speculative market though, which does not grow or shrink in adoption and utility, then it would be a zero sum game, i.e. your profits are someone else's losses. Examples of this would be trading games offered by exchanges that have a fixed amount of liquidity, but that is never the case irl.

[Sanitough]

Someone has to, otherwise trading would give free money to traders.
There are different type of traders in the market, there are traders who are good because they can predict the price well and they
make money on that, while there are traders who are not good and they are not profitable.

So, if we compare the two, one is making money, while the other one is not.

[adaseb]

The counter party that you are trading with doesn't necessarily have to lose.

For example, someone could trade you BTC at $4k and make a profit because he bought at a lower level, while you may be able to ride the next bull market and turn your BTC for a profit by selling at the peak.

Also, given that adoption continues to increase and if the utility of bitcoin increases, it's not necessary that bitcoin is a zero sum game.

In a purely speculative market though, which does not grow or shrink in adoption and utility, then it would be a zero sum game, i.e. your profits are someone else's losses. Examples of this would be trading games offered by exchanges that have a fixed amount of liquidity, but that is never the case irl.

Basically its what I mentioned a few days ago with the people selling and buying stocks on their retirement accounts. With inflation stocks in general always go up, especially in a yearly or decade type of scale. So each investor can come out ahead and everybody can make money.

However you need to realise that eventually "someone" will buy the top and be the loser in that trade. So either someone invests their retirement funds in a company that goes bankrupt or someone that bought BTC at $20K from someone who bought from someone at $1K who originally just mined the coins on his laptop.

Eventually all type of trading is zero sum one way or another.

[2chase]

Financial markets are very complicated, and examples such as the one given by the author are not always appropriate for understanding them. It does not always happen that someone loses money by sight while you earn it. If the trend of the market is bullish, then everyone earns, only some earn more slowly and others earn faster.

[samcrypto]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

If we make profit someone are suffering not because you do trade but because of their own fault. We all want to make money and we will do our best to outsmart other traders, and its you job to do so. Don't feel guilty about this one, traders must focus on his personal goal and target EMOTION should not be the hindrance for you not to do better. If we win, then we are better than any trader. Newbies are the one who losses money.

[shannelcoin]

Of course yes if we win someone will lose its affiliates and never be change. And it's alright to lose because there's so many chance to win it doesn't mean you lose that is the end, sometimes losing make you more strong so next time you can make a chance to win just need some strategy.

[Yamifoud]

Of course yes if we win someone will lose its affiliates and never be change. And it's alright to lose because there's so many chance to win it doesn't mean you lose that is the end, sometimes losing make you more strong so next time you can make a chance to win just need some strategy.

Not at all mate, losing and winning will happen always. It doesn't mean that we lose today and we think that we will win by tomorrow.
I do believe that when someone win and someone will lose also, it just like of having a positive and negative effect of a certain thing. We never argue this since we  are not having controlled with and we should accept of what it happens.

[1Referee]

If we make profit someone are suffering not because you do trade but because of their own fault.  

It's not their fault as long as they aren't selling their coins. People need to differentiate actual losses from paper losses. If you bought earlier this year, you are up right now, regardless if someone cashed out profits, and as long as the price keeps going up, that's the case.

2017's bull run made almost everyone win, regardless of people flat out gambling or investing based on fundamentals. That's the power of a bull run, and these mass profits attract even more capital because people love to buy something that has gone up a lot already.

Bitcoin is up ~35% this year, which is quite a solid achievement considering that we're technically still in a bear market. If you lost money with Bitcoin this year, then you have to look in the mirror and rethink why you are here in the first place.

[redsun114]

Yes of course, that is how life has always been, money don't gall from the sky you know, someone have to lose it for another person to gain it and there are different ways of losing it, one of the ways is payment for value, when you pay someone physical cash to carry out a job for you, you lose the money to that person.

Another way is through gambling or trading, in this life one person have to lose for another to gain, it is the way the world system have been programmed and can't be changed.

[maxreish]

You were right all along. TRADERS are either tend to lose or win. And you aren't overthinking. Hence, whenever we trade their are some circumstances that you won and take some profits before you are more knowledgeable and made some technical analysis while the other traders who lose were had also a reason why they lose. That is a real reason why.

[BlackPanda]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

This is a simple question. When you win there must be a failure. If you get a profit then there are also other people who suffer losses. Everything can happen, not always someone will gain profit and not always that someone will achieve a loss. All depends on yourself, when we have the ability, we have a much better chance to achieve more positive results than someone who does not have the ability. Everything will be different and the one who will determine is yourself.

[Gaff]

Yes of course, that is how life has always been, money don't gall from the sky you know, someone have to lose it for another person to gain it and there are different ways of losing it, one of the ways is payment for value, when you pay someone physical cash to carry out a job for you, you lose the money to that person.

Another way is through gambling or trading, in this life one person have to lose for another to gain, it is the way the world system have been programmed and can't be changed.

If we want to gain something profitable then selling an asset could be a good preference. That time when you win on your good trades, it's also an opportunity for other traders to hold that coins they've bought from us. Nothing to lose at all even though price dumped when panic selling happened. There's another probability that those coins will be tripled of its current price when another bull run strikes.

[1BTC EQUALS 1CAR]

Yes, there is. It could be a whale or a huge investors or just an average guy who bought or sell on the wrong asset. Investments from us or other people is what makes the trading alive. We cannot pull anything huge enough if it's only us in the market so it has to have many members locally or globaly.

[siggy_77]

It all depends on your definition of 'lose" ...

If I bought BTC @ $1,000, and sold it to you at $5,000  and then you go on to hold and sell later at $10,000 ... Did I win or lose?

If you consider that I made a profit of $4,000 .. then I won big time...

If you consider that I could have made a $9k profit instead of just $4k, then I lost....

along those lines.. if you sell for $10k, and then the buyer later sells for $20k ... did you win? or did you lose ?

[Cacingkemi]

The reality is that but it depends on your opponents or "other traders" whether he will grow BTC or ALT in other industries for example gambling or investing towards another ALT, simple reason if there is a profit there must be someone who loses.

[The Cryptovator]

Trading is money circulation, so if you are selling someone else are buying. If you are buying someone else are selling. So money is circulating around us. and obviously you are getting profit means some will loss. For example you bought a coin for $1 and you sold $1.5, so $0.5 came from where? That means someone bought this and he might sell $2, and it will be continues and eventually someone will on loss if drop price. But it doesn't mean a single peoples loss whatever your profit. Because someone selling 1% loss or something else. So money is circulating and dividing as well. 

[Alpinat]

You know in my experience I lose many times in trading and it is okay for me because it not always lost. There will be a time that we can still win and make a profit. Lossing is normal especially when you are a beginner.

[Naida_BR]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Not necessarily.
Theoretically when you trade and you sell for example, someone else buys your coins in the price that you trade and you consider that this price is a high one (because you are selling).
But actually you don't know which is the price that the other trader has sold/bought so maybe a trade may be a win-win.

[Thirdspace]

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking?

when you (seller) make profit, the other guy (buyer) doesn't always at loss
but this condition is only true if the fresh buyer puts fresh money adding up to capitalization
however that buyer will incur loss if he later sells at a lower price

in an uptrend price (bullish market) there will be more winners, higher cap ~ money inflow
but in a downtrend price (bearish market) there will be much more losers, lower cap ~ money outflow

[MiF]

You know in my experience I lose many times in trading and it is okay for me because it not always lost. There will be a time that we can still win and make a profit. Lossing is normal especially when you are a beginner.

Don't lose hope even if you been losing many times, situations always change depending on your outlook. Have more positive virtues in life and make those failures in life as your strength despite of all worst experiences.
If you're going to survive on that, that's for sure the future will bring more luck on you depending on your hard work

[shoreno]

You know in my experience I lose many times in trading and it is okay for me because it not always lost. There will be a time that we can still win and make a profit. Lossing is normal especially when you are a beginner.

Its normal for a beginner to experience loosing but others that are not a beginner anymore do still experience to loose because its really hard to do trades or investing on the crypto market due to the fact that cryptos are too unstable and verry unpredictable  .

 if you buy and you loose , dont worry mate because someone else is earning and benefiting from your loss  .  this was the good side of crypto because you arent working here for your self . we are not selfish here in crypto . not unlike to other business that the owner is the only one that are earning a profit  .

[jakelyson]

If you are shorting the market, then you are definitely gaining profits from a failing market. You are definitely gaining from somebody's losses.

If you are only making market or limit trades, you cannot tell. Maybe they are selling at that spot because they are already in profit or buying to make more.

[Bagaji]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Not necessarily that someone must loose because you made profit from your trading. They will only lose if and only if they sell their holding below the market value they bought the coins in question.

[RyNinDaCleM]

So much pussy footing in here.
Yes, your wins are at someone else's expense. Easiest case, if you buy the lowest point of a bear market, someone sold those coins to you and is missing out on the profits from the subsequent rise (Losing). That means, whether they were in profit or not when they sold, they still missed out on further wins. Now, if you sell the absolute top before the bear comes back, obviously he who bought your coins loses.
All this talk about "if you wait long enough..." No! Not how this works at all. I don't care who you sold to, even at the top, even if they wait for profit on the next rise, PLENTY have lost to pay for your win. Trading is zero sum, period. Just the way it is. It do dat.

Lets do a little thought experiment.

Player A, player B and player C all buy in at $1 with $100 of capital. Price rises to $10 where player A sells to new player D for $1000. Price keeps rising to $15. Now the score is A=$1000, B=$1500, C=$1500 and D=$1500. Player A's missed profits of $500 went to player D and player D's initial investment of $1000 is where the profits for B and C come from. $1500 in profit total since $10 price.
Should player A buy back in at $15, he now has 50% less coins and 33% less value had he not sold early. So lets say players B and C each sold 30 and 20 coins respectively to player A and then the price tanks to $7.50. The new score is Player A=$375 or 50 coins, B=$525 or 70 coins (AND $450 cash), C=$600 or 80 coins (AND $300 cash) and D=$750 or 100 coins. losses for this round are A=-$625, B=-$525, C=-$600, D=-$750, and new total valuation is A=$375, B=$975, C=$900, D=$750.

Now think of the situation where Bitcoin is found to have a fatal flaw. The first few people get out with something, the rest are left holding a bag of useless 1's and 0's as the fiat evaporates from the market. <-This is also why "Market cap" is the absolute worst thing to derive the value of Bitcoin. There is no way everyone would ever get out for anything above $1.00. All the bid depths combined would only allow one or two large holders to exit fully.

[Hamphser]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Not necessarily that someone must loose because you made profit from your trading. They will only lose if and only if they sell their holding below the market value they bought the coins in question.

But knowing those stuffs behind wont really be possible for those people who have sell their holding either they do already profit out or just simply panic selling
but well this cycle is just a normal or casual stuff with trading market.If you do gain then someone's gonna loss maybe not on the same person but as a general.

[iqlimasyadiqa]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Everyone will have a different opportunity. there will be those who win and some will lose. things like this are things that must be accepted by every trader. when they make a successful decision it will make a profit and when a trader makes a wrong decision then it will make a loss of assets he has.

[Carrelmae10]

..yeah of course..that's how it really works..for every gain you make..there is always someone who loses from your win..there comes a successful traders who wins and gain profit in every good decision it makes..but there is also a trader who losses much in a wrong decision he make,,much worst scenario is that he sells all his assets in order to gain and recover from his lost not knowing that he would end up to nothing..how sad is the life of a trader :

[anggi]

in the world of trading, it depends on someone. when they seek profits from a price, they may get a loss. but, when he uses it for his sake. it all depends on one's purpose. it can be an advantage, and loss depends on the purpose of the user.

[freedomgo]

Everyone will have a different opportunity. there will be those who win and some will lose. things like this are things that must be accepted by every trader. when they make a successful decision it will make a profit and when a trader makes a wrong decision then it will make a loss of assets he has.

It's pretty normal because it's a game of prediction, and you cannot make good prediction all the time.
You make bad prediction you loss but you strive to make it right the next time, it's about improving your strategy until you make a good one that gives profit. Every trader has different effort put in their work, some just smart enough, so we will never have the same results.

[kentrolla]

in the world of trading, it depends on someone. when they seek profits from a price, they may get a loss. but, when he uses it for his sake. it all depends on one's purpose. it can be an advantage, and loss depends on the purpose of the user.

Yes, in any trading business there is not always you will be in winning /head side where you will earn profit always there were times will come you have to bear the loss in trading, similarly in crypto market crisis will come and you will be in loss but don't give up wait for your turn and focus more towards buy/sell best practices in the crypto market.

[Quidat]

Everyone will have a different opportunity. there will be those who win and some will lose. things like this are things that must be accepted by every trader. when they make a successful decision it will make a profit and when a trader makes a wrong decision then it will make a loss of assets he has.

It's pretty normal because it's a game of prediction, and you cannot make good prediction all the time.
You make bad prediction you loss but you strive to make it right the next time, it's about improving your strategy until you make a good one that gives profit. Every trader has different effort put in their work, some just smart enough, so we will never have the same results.

Results would really be never the same anytime and this market is like a battlefield of traders where they do need to make profits on selling or buying their coins.
If someone gains then someone do losses and this is how the market works.It would continue as long there are sellers and buyers.The thing here is that you do know
how to survive into this market,if not then you'll end up on the floor.

[carlisle1]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

As far as I know that is how trading works, that's why people need to be very careful on a trade that they're going to make because any amount that they'll buy will be a profit for someone else. For example, certain coin gains over 30% to its price and some people gets FOMO and bought at higher price that could be a profit for those who placed a sell order at that price and those who got FOMO loss because the price didn't go higher anymore. It's just like, in order for you to gain profit there should be someone else to lose.

[Ipwich]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

As far as I know that is how trading works, that's why people need to be very careful on a trade that they're going to make because any amount that they'll buy will be a profit for someone else. For example, certain coin gains over 30% to its price and some people gets FOMO and bought at higher price that could be a profit for those who placed a sell order at that price and those who got FOMO loss because the price didn't go higher anymore. It's just like, in order for you to gain profit there should be someone else to lose.

The FOMO will completely give opportunity for smart traders to make money.
Some would certainly loss as the price will be overvalued and the moment it will correct, panic selling will happen.
The pump and dump game is fun if you like fast profit, it's high risk but it could give better reward if you are in the right side.

[Dart18]

Actually I have asked this same thing but in another users thread.

It depends.
If you are buying or selling at his order then that means he may have already made a profit out of it.
Or he could be expecting more that is why he is buying at a recent price.

Same thing about regretting when you sell early then the price goes up. The buyer now is the winner whom could sell at a larger price and it goes on.

[Cherylstar86]

Actually I have asked this same thing but in another users thread.

It depends.
If you are buying or selling at his order then that means he may have already made a profit out of it.
Or he could be expecting more that is why he is buying at a recent price.

Same thing about regretting when you sell early then the price goes up. The buyer now is the winner whom could sell at a larger price and it goes on.

  I think it is about on how we acknowledge the current situation based on the strategy we created by our own deliberation. If we invest more coins while the market is on bear trend, then we can say that thrive is on  our way, just keep optimism for a great bull will occur by the near future. And those who are not invested, then it is their big loses.

[Insanity]

losing and winning is always a part of trading we just be more practical on how our money/funds and limiting our stake lose. Always set a limit and be more practical.

[acharias]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

That's how trading works. Anyone who is willing to invest money should be well aware of the risks that come with it.

[Reid]

I dont think so.
They were all orders so someone really want to sell or buy at that price they input.
If it is at risk then it wont matter as long as they know what they are doing.

Now, some of your orders can end up the same thing as them. It could be regret at the end if the price suddenly pumps or it could be a loss for buying at a higher price then it suddenly dumps.

[alisafidel58]

Of course, there will be losers and gainers. Whenever you win some somebody has to lose some too. When a coin price that is sold at a lower price then suddenly in just an hour the coin gain momentum and gains a large price that's a loss for the seller.

[Wind_FURY]

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking?

when you (seller) make profit, the other guy (buyer) doesn't always at loss
but this condition is only true if the fresh buyer puts fresh money adding up to capitalization
however that buyer will incur loss if he later sells at a lower price

in an uptrend price (bullish market) there will be more winners, higher cap ~ money inflow
but in a downtrend price (bearish market) there will be much more losers, lower cap ~ money outflow

But when you the hodler, HODL, and encourage everyone to also HODL, everyone wins.



I know someone would ask, "then who loses, there's always a loser". My answer, "the Nocoiners".

[serjent05]

I know someone would ask, "then who loses, there's always a loser". My answer, "the Nocoiners".

This indirectly states that those who sells are the loser  .


I think it is on the point of view of  a person, in trading both person can win, for example I am selling Bitcoin higher than the market value, and this person wanted to buy Bitcoin so Badly but he cannot buy in an exchange.  In this case, I win when I sold my BTC to that guy since I got profit, and the guy win since he is able to buy Bitcoin that he had wanted for so long.

But in an actual trading market, those who did not do their assignment often become the loser and taken advantage but those who dedicate their resources in researching and updating themselves (the winner).

[Wexlike]

Of course, there will be losers and gainers. Whenever you win some somebody has to lose some too. When a coin price that is sold at a lower price then suddenly in just an hour the coin gain momentum and gains a large price that's a loss for the seller.

I am in the same boat. As others, I am impressed by the fact that once again the reversal appears to have been stopped almost immediately.

On the other hand, the price has clearly failed to make higher highs, and major alts including LTC continue their correction. Is Bitcoin simply the more inert mass and slower to respond, or is money flowing from LTC (other alts) into BTC? Who is in denial, those who see this rally reach further highs or those who have been claiming a reversal is imminent?

I have no clue what is going on, but I do feel that if and when sellers/shorters regain some confidence at long last, the slump could be painful. "If you panic (at 5200ish/Bitstamp?), panic first"?

[buwaytress]

But when you the hodler, HODL, and encourage everyone to also HODL, everyone wins.

I know someone would ask, "then who loses, there's always a loser". My answer, "the Nocoiners".

exactly what I tell people who put this to me. Sure, if you're in a segment of the traditional market, some loses for you to win. But in the case of Bitcoin, it is in direct competition to the traditional convention and system of money. We all win, not at each other's cost, but to eventually displace the old, corrupt, rotten system.

It is a losing system already, that isn't even in question. The only thing left to ask isn't if it can survive but when it will implode. And when it does, what can displace it?

We are all hoping Bitcoin is at least part of that future.

[Virtual miner]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Yes yes yes ofcourse someone loses his trade when you win a trade. This is how market works. But not always do they lose in terms of money sometimes they lose in terms of opportunity too but yes this is law of market positive and negative balance each other. What is more shocking is that 90% of small traders lose up and only 10% win to balance off the market this means wealth of 90% is transferred to the remaining 10%. This is why newbies are advised not to enter the market without proper risk management strategy

[btcdevil]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Yes yes yes ofcourse someone loses his trade when you win a trade. This is how market works. But not always do they lose in terms of money sometimes they lose in terms of opportunity too but yes this is law of market positive and negative balance each other. What is more shocking is that 90% of small traders lose up and only 10% win to balance off the market this means wealth of 90% is transferred to the remaining 10%. This is why newbies are advised not to enter the market without proper risk management strategy

What you are telling happens mostly in gambling but in trading until the user who have purchased not selling cannot say will be in loss, so in trading it is always users who are buying and selling in each price.

Like for example , i bought bitcoins for 200 usd and then when the market went up i sold for 500 usd but same time another user bought in 500 usd and then when market went up to 700 he sold and same time the buyer may be new or old one that no one can say and who ever bought in 700 usd and market goes down he wont sell but he buys more and average his buying price and when market went up he sells and another user buying it. So in this no one can confirm that whether the buyer is looser or seller is looser.

[mornabo]

losing and winning is always a part of trading we just be more practical on how our money/funds and limiting our stake lose. Always set a limit and be more practical.

Actually this is a natural thing dude, in the market there are always buyers and sellers, and of course there will always someone who will profit, and there is always someone who get a loss. all you have to do is be a winner, profit on the many trades you do.

[ChrisPop]

When you take a trade, be it a buy or a sell position, someone else needs to take the other part of the "bet". So yes, practically when you make a profit some else loses. This is why there is that saying: " The market allows you to move money from the riches" or something like that. 

[teosanru]

There's always a seller to every buyer. Trading is a zero sum game. We are not creating money. Just transferring it through the asset from one hand to another. We give a coin value by purchasing and selling. But the thing is that it's not required that if you made profit. The seller made loss. He might have bought at cheaper price. So, it can be win-win or lose-lose instead of win-lose.

[BitHodler]

But when you the hodler, HODL, and encourage everyone to also HODL, everyone wins.

I don't think the majority of the people would appreciate that type of encouragement with how the price kept hitting lower lows last year. People are 'sunny day' hodlers but turn into chickens the moment they see a red candle.

I don't mind weak hands selling their coins because they will end up in the pockets of strong hands anyway. Even those who we consider strong hands right now will dump because not every person has $1 million as target.

Exchange hacks are more of a short to medium term contributor to coins being taken out of circulation than hodlers are. In other words, something that's negative by nature also has a positive side effect.

[MakeMoneyBtc]

I don't think you should care about someone else's money as both of you are taking the same risks when trading. Think that sometimes you might be the person that loses and the other person is the one that wins so its a just a game that will never stop. I care about my money and my profit, not about someone else losing their money.

[Wind_FURY]

I know someone would ask, "then who loses, there's always a loser". My answer, "the Nocoiners".

This indirectly states that those who sells are the loser  .

Bitcoin is a hedge to the old, rotten financial system that we currently have. You want to short it? HODL Bitcoin.

That directly states that those who are NOT HODLING are the losers.

[Gabteb]

Not always, it depends on many factors in which price seller has bought is he/she lose at the moment of selling, you look at ths as long tem too or only short becouse i long term most of sellers of btc, for example, have lost as people who sold on 100$ 10k btc has lost but at hte moment of selling it was profit as was bought with 2$.

[gabbie2010]

From technical point of view traders have different ways of analysis the market with respite to charts while a trader might view his analysis for buying another trader somewhere else triggering sell button definitely there must be a loser of course no professional trader can have a consistent winning trades there will be some losers thus I agreed the OP perception of winning a trade while a loser will also emerge elsewhere wherein an exchange or a broker serves as a middleman.

[guoyu78]

I know someone would ask, "then who loses, there's always a loser". My answer, "the Nocoiners".

Such a funny man, really, they are the losers, if we Hold our coin for a very long term, and the price reaches ATH, everyone who has been holding a coin at dip will always be a winner. So, we should be encouraged to always try and  put our cart in a place where it will be safe.

Traders too are also safe in their trade, because there will always be a win, but we must also have a looser for the winner to take something home. In fact. I think everyone is also going to be a winner, because that person that was once a looser will not remain a looser, one day, he or she must also be able to win too in the trade.

[Farma]

Not always, it depends on many factors in which price seller has bought is he/she lose at the moment of selling, you look at ths as long tem too or only short becouse i long term most of sellers of btc, for example, have lost as people who sold on 100$ 10k btc has lost but at hte moment of selling it was profit as was bought with 2$.

well, when you sell the assets you have, you don't think of harming others, and that person also buys with their own desires, moreover they need to. win, or lose, it depends on how you look at trade.

[Gaaara]

There are special situation where two parties both win instead of 1 losing, its the same as boxing if you challenge a champion even if you lose you will still earn more money from the fight than the champion.

In trading you get what you can and throw away what you don't need, even if you know that there is one losing some it does not mean they lose in overall because they probably got some profit from the trade you made, and the fact that every traders lose and win some its only a natural cycle that the world of trading provide.

[n0ne]

Not always, it depends on many factors in which price seller has bought is he/she lose at the moment of selling, you look at ths as long tem too or only short becouse i long term most of sellers of btc, for example, have lost as people who sold on 100$ 10k btc has lost but at hte moment of selling it was profit as was bought with 2$.

well, when you sell the assets you have, you don't think of harming others, and that person also buys with their own desires, moreover they need to. win, or lose, it depends on how you look at trade.

There is nothing as a win or lose with trading. You have made a prediction to buy at some specific point which in your opinion is good buy point. Same as that in the opposite side one tend to sell at the same price thinking it to be the best selling point. In this way we aren't harming anyone in the process of buying and selling of different assets.

[Sanitough]

Not always, it depends on many factors in which price seller has bought is he/she lose at the moment of selling, you look at ths as long tem too or only short becouse i long term most of sellers of btc, for example, have lost as people who sold on 100$ 10k btc has lost but at hte moment of selling it was profit as was bought with 2$.

well, when you sell the assets you have, you don't think of harming others, and that person also buys with their own desires, moreover they need to. win, or lose, it depends on how you look at trade.

There is nothing as a win or lose with trading. You have made a prediction to buy at some specific point which in your opinion is good buy point. Same as that in the opposite side one tend to sell at the same price thinking it to be the best selling point. In this way we aren't harming anyone in the process of buying and selling of different assets.

Why do we even think of discussing about harming here, trading's purpose is to make money, and we will make a working strategy to give us profit.
The effect to the losers, it's not of our business anymore, there are even manipulators in the market and they know they hurt those who get the FUD but they don't really even care, it's all business as usual.

[scambust]

Trading is a zero sum game. Of course, someone always loses. In fact, 90% of traders lose. To avoid zero sum, you have to invest in assets that pays dividends. But this is crypto, no security tokens yet available.

[--DarkSecrets--]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Definitely, it was a game of skills and predictions if you win there is someone who losses, we only don't know if that is a bot or a human being same applied if you lose other are winning. Skills is an advantage and roughly professional traders earn from newbies when this newbies became professional the same cycle will be applied.

[upsidedown75]

I don't think you should care about someone else's money as both of you are taking the same risks when trading. Think that sometimes you might be the person that loses and the other person is the one that wins so its a just a game that will never stop. I care about my money and my profit, not about someone else losing their money.

Lol, common man, be your brother’s shepherd (*wink*). I agree with you, we are all in the game to make some dough, provided it is a game we are all playing, we should be concerned more on how we will multiply our money and not what others are losing, because it is very logical to say that for there to be a win, there must always be a loss.

We need to work hard and have great strategy so that we can always endeavor to be on the winning side and not on the losing side, however, no matter how careful we are, we should always know that there will always be a loss too for us, so we are both rubbing our hands, we lose for others to win, while we win for others to lose.

[South Park]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Yes, it is that simple and if you win big then that means that many people lost money in order for you to get those profits, that is an obvious aspect of trading that many miss since they enter in the market thinking it will be impossible for them to lose not realizing they are going to be the ones that will give profits to someone else, trading is a zero sum game, everytime you buy a coin thinking that it will go up in value there is someone else selling the same coin that thinks the opposite.

[Fredomago]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Yes, it is that simple and if you win big then that means that many people lost money in order for you to get those profits, that is an obvious aspect of trading that many miss since they enter in the market thinking it will be impossible for them to lose not realizing they are going to be the ones that will give profits to someone else, trading is a zero sum game, everytime you buy a coin thinking that it will go up in value there is someone else selling the same coin that thinks the opposite.

There's no assurance than to understand the market, knowing that there's always an opposite against you will give you challenge to do extra efforts, each time you place your entry another person is placing its own opposite to your directions, so it's accurately true that each time you win someone will need to lose, a concept of gambling where everything is not just for luck but skills and knowledge that you have.

[STT]

Reminds me of zero sum trading - https://www.investopedia.com/terms/z/zero-sumgame.asp

I would argue no, there is a utility to Bitcoin that is an aid to the world.   This has been a surprise to many and we all know many consider Bitcoin to be a negative, a trick and a loss for all.    However Bitcoin helps to facilitate at least some business, some of which would not otherwise occur.     The closer you come to merely exchanging orders on an exchange, the more zero sum it is but actual trade done with Bitcoin is productive and a benefit to both parties.

All currency involves some loss or cost to its ownership and operation in exchange of ownership.    Plain paper money does have some cost to printing and charges to transmit value, store securely and assure accounting.    The reason we dont call it purely zero sum I think would be that we gain from the idea of money and the ability to trade is increased by its existence, this is despite all the corruption and crime that might occur.    
Everything in life has some loss and cost to it, a farmer who purely grows and exchanges foods still has some loss to his holding of goods and its really important a market price is found.

    The modern world needs efficiency and transparency and access to free markets for all, as a global economy we need to have that and Bitcoin is part of the online digital economy and serves a purpose imo hence its productive and will continue benefiting all involved on average I think.   I believe thats a reasonable premise and hope it continues to be possible