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April 10, 2019, 02:40:17 PM
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Apparently, there have been articles circulating on the internet regarding with the first ever blackhole picture or even a footage

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These telescopes had been focused on two black holes, one at the heart of our Milky Way galaxy – known as Sagittarius A (SgrA) – and one another – known as M87 – which is almost 54 million light years away.

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/scientists-unveil-first-ever-picture-of-a-black-hole/?source=tech

Even if it is just a glance I am still so amazed with its beauty.
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This is great. It's a start at finding out what a BH really is.     Cool

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Apparently, there have been articles circulating on the internet regarding with the first ever blackhole picture or even a footage

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These telescopes had been focused on two black holes, one at the heart of our Milky Way galaxy – known as Sagittarius A (SgrA) – and one another – known as M87 – which is almost 54 million light years away.

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/scientists-unveil-first-ever-picture-of-a-black-hole/?source=tech

Even if it is just a glance I am still so amazed with its beauty.


This is a pretty big deal!  The first 2 take away's, blackholes look like what science predicted it would and we can actually see the point of no return which is amazing when you think about what that means.  NOTHING that passes the point of no return can overcome the gravitational forces to come back out, not even LIGHT.
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April 10, 2019, 04:38:25 PM
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Definitely a significant moment in astrophysics.  The theories of black holes have been with us for most of my lifetime, but that's all they were; theories.  From a physical science perspective the theories are pretty robust, and widely accepted by astrophysicists.  The photo may not teach us any more than we already know about the existence of black holes, but it goes a long way to vindicate the theories.  The first photographic evidence is a huge milestone.


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April 10, 2019, 05:48:20 PM
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I say its fiction. They found 1 observation that fit their models. But we are dealing with a very grainy photograph that could be interpreted in dozens of other ways. I think the whole scientific "worldview" is a mental concoction, not really real.
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April 10, 2019, 05:56:09 PM
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I have some other pictures...
But the Same news


https://twitter.com/ehtelescope
Their existence was predicted by more General scientific theories (for the first time — at the end of the XVIII century) and since then repeatedly confirmed by calculations. But scientists did not have "material evidence" — and now they do.
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It's quite amazing, science as usual keeps doing its thing, it's hard to imagine why someone would be religious in 2019 considering all the advances science has achieved.

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April 10, 2019, 07:10:17 PM
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I have some other pictures...
But the Same news


https://twitter.com/ehtelescope
Their existence was predicted by more General scientific theories (for the first time — at the end of the XVIII century) and since then repeatedly confirmed by calculations. But scientists did not have "material evidence" — and now they do.
that looks like a glazed donut that's very out of focus

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April 10, 2019, 08:10:00 PM
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Small image but big imagination for humankind. Shout out to Katie Bauman (researcher). She led the development of the algorithm for capturing image and as a result we are seeing the image of black hole.
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April 10, 2019, 08:51:53 PM
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I have some other pictures...
But the Same news


https://twitter.com/ehtelescope
Their existence was predicted by more General scientific theories (for the first time — at the end of the XVIII century) and since then repeatedly confirmed by calculations. But scientists did not have "material evidence" — and now they do.
that looks like a glazed donut that's very out of focus

I can't stop seeing this now. Smiley



This is amazing if it's all real!

!ooh
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April 10, 2019, 11:21:12 PM
Last edit: April 11, 2019, 03:12:49 AM by Spendulus
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Apparently, there have been articles circulating on the internet regarding with the first ever blackhole picture or even a footage

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These telescopes had been focused on two black holes, one at the heart of our Milky Way galaxy – known as Sagittarius A (SgrA) – and one another – known as M87 – which is almost 54 million light years away.

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/scientists-unveil-first-ever-picture-of-a-black-hole/?source=tech

Even if it is just a glance I am still so amazed with its beauty.


In case it is not obvious I will explain.

Think of a doughnut slanted away from you. That is what the picture is.

On the close side, what may be the outer equatorial line of the doughnut, light is "Whiter" on the spectrum. No doubt due to rapid rotation flinging light outwards.

Discussion here.

https://www.space.com/black-holes-event-horizon-explained.html


On the far side, visible light - light which escapes in our direction is red tinted.
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This is a pretty big deal!  The first 2 take away's, blackholes look like what science predicted it would and we can actually see the point of no return which is amazing when you think about what that means.  NOTHING that passes the point of no return can overcome the gravitational forces to come back out, not even LIGHT.

It is indeed, I can't wait for the progress, I wonder what's the other side of it hmm. Did you know that the person behind the taking of that beautiful images was a young lady?

Her name was  "Katie Bouman" and she explained that in order for us to see that kind of shot. We need to have a telescope that as large as big as the earth and since we currently don't have that they experimented in using  7 satellites they call the combination as "The Event Horizon Telescope". Every sites mainly from "Mexico, France, Spain, South Pole, Chile, Hawaii and Arizona"  are responsible for getting huge amounts of data.

Please watch her exciting explanation from TED talks
https://youtu.be/BIvezCVcsYs


Here is a cute pic as well of her worked


Picture source was from facebook
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April 11, 2019, 01:23:41 AM
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Ill be the one to say it, its all fake.  We are living with a holographic sky, none of thoe stars and shit are real.  We are pretty much on a stage like the Truman Show but the set is much much bigger.
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April 11, 2019, 04:59:36 AM
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I don't know that we didn't have any real blackhole photos before yesterday. However, those images are familiar, and I saw it multiple times. Interesting to see that science can accurately predict what blackhole look like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUyH3XhpLTo

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This is a pretty big deal!  The first 2 take away's, blackholes look like what science predicted it would and we can actually see the point of no return which is amazing when you think about what that means.  NOTHING that passes the point of no return can overcome the gravitational forces to come back out, not even LIGHT.

It is indeed, I can't wait for the progress, I wonder what's the other side of it hmm. Did you know that the person behind the taking of that beautiful images was a young lady?

Her name was  "Katie Bouman" and she explained that in order for us to see that kind of shot. We need to have a telescope that as large as big as the earth and since we currently don't have that they experimented in using  7 satellites they call the combination as "The Event Horizon Telescope". Every sites mainly from "Mexico, France, Spain, South Pole, Chile, Hawaii and Arizona"  are responsible for getting huge amounts of data.

Please watch her exciting explanation from TED talks
https://youtu.be/BIvezCVcsYs


Here is a cute pic as well of her worked


Picture source was from facebook

I can only imagine the excitement for this team to make such a big discovery. She definitely looks excited in those pictures!

!ooh
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By the way, some interesting things can be mentioned abought breakthroughs: there were none of them during the previous decades. It is interesting because from the other point during some recent years we've got flat screens instead of our old huge TV sets, bought a new iPhone with million different features but there were no serious scientifical inventions since the middle of the previous century.
Duno if this news can be considered as a breakthrough but it is definetely cool.
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By the way, some interesting things can be mentioned abought breakthroughs: there were none of them during the previous decades. It is interesting because from the other point during some recent years we've got flat screens instead of our old huge TV sets, bought a new iPhone with million different features but there were no serious scientifical inventions since the middle of the previous century.
Duno if this news can be considered as a breakthrough but it is definetely cool.

It is indeed a big breakthrough for science discovery, what you were actually mentioning are also breakthroughs but on the other categories since those phones are a part of technology created by Man and not by nature just like black holes. Therefore I can't personally put those within the same category.

It's quite amazing, science as usual keeps doing its thing, it's hard to imagine why someone would be religious in 2019 considering all the advances science has achieved.

Continue to imagine because it is not solvable by our own minds, who knows?
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Duno if this news can be considered as a breakthrough but it is definetely cool.

It is indeed a big breakthrough for science discovery...

Imaging a stellar event certainly can be a breakthrough, similar to the amazing ways we are starting to use sensors to "see" planets around stars far away.

However, imaging a black hole was not necessary as proof of the theory of the black hole.
But there are many parts of the concepts about black holes, and here the issue is the Schwartchild radius. Any object whose physical size was smaller than the S radius would be a black hole. Predictions WERE that light should be given off as matter and photons approach that radius. Now we know that's true.

Schwartschild developed his theory while serving in the German WW1 army. IIRC he was doing artillery ballistics, then he'd work on the math and now and then send a letter from the front lines....
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April 14, 2019, 04:11:58 AM
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I have some other pictures...
But the Same news


https://twitter.com/ehtelescope
Their existence was predicted by more General scientific theories (for the first time — at the end of the XVIII century) and since then repeatedly confirmed by calculations. But scientists did not have "material evidence" — and now they do.
that looks like a glazed donut that's very out of focus

I can't stop seeing this now. Smiley



This is amazing if it's all real!

its not amazing if you are in a state of mind that doubts to distinguish between real and unreal....

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...the person behind the taking of that beautiful images was a young lady?

Her name was  "Katie Bouman" and she explained that in order for us to see ....
Here is a cute pic as well of her worked....

JOURNALISM: Woman Who Media Claims Created Black Hole Image Contributed 0.26% of Code; The media may have been overzealous giving Bouman in giving sole credit for the discovery. “According to data provided publicly by GitHub, Bouman made 2,410 contributions to the over 900,000 lines of code required to create the first-of-its-kind black hole image, or 0.26 per cent. Bouman’s contributions also occurred toward the end of the work on the code. In contrast, contributor Andrew Chael wrote over 850,000 lines of code.”

To her credit, her credit-sharing response was appropriately honest.


https://bigleaguepolitics.com/woman-who-media-claims-created-black-hole-image-contributed-0-26-of-code/

So you've been fed A COMPLETE LIE by the mainstream media. Here are the facts.

While the Western media attempted to use her gender to make a point, Asian publications, including Asahi, offered a more nuanced and truthful article, writing that “207 scientists in 17 nations and regions took part in the project,” and refusing to assign the achievement to any one of the scientists.

For her part, Bouman made it clear on Facebook that she did not want sole credit for the achievement.

“No one algorithm or person made this image,” wrote Bouman, “it required the amazing talent of a team of scientists from around the globe and years of hard work” to capture the black hole image.

Replying to one of the comment asking if the image was made by her personally, Bouman added “Actually no, there were a number of us that all squeezed into the room and pressed go on our computers at the same exact time! We didn’t want any one person or algorithm to be the first one to make the image.”


Andrew Chael wrote the code.
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