Can this be one of the biggest science breakthroughs so far?(Blackhole)

[darklus123]

Apparently, there have been articles circulating on the internet regarding with the first ever blackhole picture or even a footage

These telescopes had been focused on two black holes, one at the heart of our Milky Way galaxy – known as Sagittarius A (SgrA) – and one another – known as M87 – which is almost 54 million light years away.

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/scientists-unveil-first-ever-picture-of-a-black-hole/?source=tech

Even if it is just a glance I am still so amazed with its beauty.

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[BADecker]

This is great. It's a start at finding out what a BH really is.     

[Flying Hellfish]

Apparently, there have been articles circulating on the internet regarding with the first ever blackhole picture or even a footage

These telescopes had been focused on two black holes, one at the heart of our Milky Way galaxy – known as Sagittarius A (SgrA) – and one another – known as M87 – which is almost 54 million light years away.

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/scientists-unveil-first-ever-picture-of-a-black-hole/?source=tech

Even if it is just a glance I am still so amazed with its beauty.

This is a pretty big deal!  The first 2 take away's, blackholes look like what science predicted it would and we can actually see the point of no return which is amazing when you think about what that means.  NOTHING that passes the point of no return can overcome the gravitational forces to come back out, not even LIGHT.

[DireWolfM14]

Definitely a significant moment in astrophysics.  The theories of black holes have been with us for most of my lifetime, but that's all they were; theories.  From a physical science perspective the theories are pretty robust, and widely accepted by astrophysicists.  The photo may not teach us any more than we already know about the existence of black holes, but it goes a long way to vindicate the theories.  The first photographic evidence is a huge milestone.

[unocash]

I say its fiction. They found 1 observation that fit their models. But we are dealing with a very grainy photograph that could be interpreted in dozens of other ways. I think the whole scientific "worldview" is a mental concoction, not really real.

[MrFreeRoMan]

I have some other pictures...
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https://twitter.com/ehtelescope
Their existence was predicted by more General scientific theories (for the first time — at the end of the XVIII century) and since then repeatedly confirmed by calculations. But scientists did not have "material evidence" — and now they do.

[Astargath]

It's quite amazing, science as usual keeps doing its thing, it's hard to imagine why someone would be religious in 2019 considering all the advances science has achieved.

[yesiam6]

I have some other pictures...
But the Same news


https://twitter.com/ehtelescope
Their existence was predicted by more General scientific theories (for the first time — at the end of the XVIII century) and since then repeatedly confirmed by calculations. But scientists did not have "material evidence" — and now they do.

that looks like a glazed donut that's very out of focus

[JSRAW]

Small image but big imagination for humankind. Shout out to Katie Bauman (researcher). She led the development of the algorithm for capturing image and as a result we are seeing the image of black hole.

[yeosaga]

I have some other pictures...
But the Same news


https://twitter.com/ehtelescope
Their existence was predicted by more General scientific theories (for the first time — at the end of the XVIII century) and since then repeatedly confirmed by calculations. But scientists did not have "material evidence" — and now they do.

that looks like a glazed donut that's very out of focus

I can't stop seeing this now.



This is amazing if it's all real!

[Spendulus]

Apparently, there have been articles circulating on the internet regarding with the first ever blackhole picture or even a footage

These telescopes had been focused on two black holes, one at the heart of our Milky Way galaxy – known as Sagittarius A (SgrA) – and one another – known as M87 – which is almost 54 million light years away.

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/scientists-unveil-first-ever-picture-of-a-black-hole/?source=tech

Even if it is just a glance I am still so amazed with its beauty.

In case it is not obvious I will explain.

Think of a doughnut slanted away from you. That is what the picture is.

On the close side, what may be the outer equatorial line of the doughnut, light is "Whiter" on the spectrum. No doubt due to rapid rotation flinging light outwards.

Discussion here.

https://www.space.com/black-holes-event-horizon-explained.html


On the far side, visible light - light which escapes in our direction is red tinted.

[darklus123]

This is a pretty big deal!  The first 2 take away's, blackholes look like what science predicted it would and we can actually see the point of no return which is amazing when you think about what that means.  NOTHING that passes the point of no return can overcome the gravitational forces to come back out, not even LIGHT.

It is indeed, I can't wait for the progress, I wonder what's the other side of it hmm. Did you know that the person behind the taking of that beautiful images was a young lady?

Her name was  "Katie Bouman" and she explained that in order for us to see that kind of shot. We need to have a telescope that as large as big as the earth and since we currently don't have that they experimented in using  7 satellites they call the combination as "The Event Horizon Telescope". Every sites mainly from "Mexico, France, Spain, South Pole, Chile, Hawaii and Arizona"  are responsible for getting huge amounts of data.

Please watch her exciting explanation from TED talks
https://youtu.be/BIvezCVcsYs


Here is a cute pic as well of her worked


Picture source was from facebook

[Privcy Foundation]

Ill be the one to say it, its all fake.  We are living with a holographic sky, none of thoe stars and shit are real.  We are pretty much on a stage like the Truman Show but the set is much much bigger.

[mu_enrico]

I don't know that we didn't have any real blackhole photos before yesterday. However, those images are familiar, and I saw it multiple times. Interesting to see that science can accurately predict what blackhole look like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUyH3XhpLTo

[yeosaga]

This is a pretty big deal!  The first 2 take away's, blackholes look like what science predicted it would and we can actually see the point of no return which is amazing when you think about what that means.  NOTHING that passes the point of no return can overcome the gravitational forces to come back out, not even LIGHT.

It is indeed, I can't wait for the progress, I wonder what's the other side of it hmm. Did you know that the person behind the taking of that beautiful images was a young lady?

Her name was  "Katie Bouman" and she explained that in order for us to see that kind of shot. We need to have a telescope that as large as big as the earth and since we currently don't have that they experimented in using  7 satellites they call the combination as "The Event Horizon Telescope". Every sites mainly from "Mexico, France, Spain, South Pole, Chile, Hawaii and Arizona"  are responsible for getting huge amounts of data.

Please watch her exciting explanation from TED talks
https://youtu.be/BIvezCVcsYs


Here is a cute pic as well of her worked


Picture source was from facebook

I can only imagine the excitement for this team to make such a big discovery. She definitely looks excited in those pictures!

[Beerwizzard]

By the way, some interesting things can be mentioned abought breakthroughs: there were none of them during the previous decades. It is interesting because from the other point during some recent years we've got flat screens instead of our old huge TV sets, bought a new iPhone with million different features but there were no serious scientifical inventions since the middle of the previous century.
Duno if this news can be considered as a breakthrough but it is definetely cool.

[darklus123]

By the way, some interesting things can be mentioned abought breakthroughs: there were none of them during the previous decades. It is interesting because from the other point during some recent years we've got flat screens instead of our old huge TV sets, bought a new iPhone with million different features but there were no serious scientifical inventions since the middle of the previous century.
Duno if this news can be considered as a breakthrough but it is definetely cool.

It is indeed a big breakthrough for science discovery, what you were actually mentioning are also breakthroughs but on the other categories since those phones are a part of technology created by Man and not by nature just like black holes. Therefore I can't personally put those within the same category.

It's quite amazing, science as usual keeps doing its thing, it's hard to imagine why someone would be religious in 2019 considering all the advances science has achieved.

Continue to imagine because it is not solvable by our own minds, who knows?

[Spendulus]

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Duno if this news can be considered as a breakthrough but it is definetely cool.

It is indeed a big breakthrough for science discovery...

Imaging a stellar event certainly can be a breakthrough, similar to the amazing ways we are starting to use sensors to "see" planets around stars far away.

However, imaging a black hole was not necessary as proof of the theory of the black hole.
But there are many parts of the concepts about black holes, and here the issue is the Schwartchild radius. Any object whose physical size was smaller than the S radius would be a black hole. Predictions WERE that light should be given off as matter and photons approach that radius. Now we know that's true.

Schwartschild developed his theory while serving in the German WW1 army. IIRC he was doing artillery ballistics, then he'd work on the math and now and then send a letter from the front lines....

[KingScorpio]

I have some other pictures...
But the Same news


https://twitter.com/ehtelescope
Their existence was predicted by more General scientific theories (for the first time — at the end of the XVIII century) and since then repeatedly confirmed by calculations. But scientists did not have "material evidence" — and now they do.

that looks like a glazed donut that's very out of focus

I can't stop seeing this now.



This is amazing if it's all real!

its not amazing if you are in a state of mind that doubts to distinguish between real and unreal....

[Spendulus]

...the person behind the taking of that beautiful images was a young lady?

Her name was  "Katie Bouman" and she explained that in order for us to see ....
Here is a cute pic as well of her worked....

JOURNALISM: Woman Who Media Claims Created Black Hole Image Contributed 0.26% of Code; The media may have been overzealous giving Bouman in giving sole credit for the discovery. “According to data provided publicly by GitHub, Bouman made 2,410 contributions to the over 900,000 lines of code required to create the first-of-its-kind black hole image, or 0.26 per cent. Bouman’s contributions also occurred toward the end of the work on the code. In contrast, contributor Andrew Chael wrote over 850,000 lines of code.”

To her credit, her credit-sharing response was appropriately honest.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/woman-who-media-claims-created-black-hole-image-contributed-0-26-of-code/

So you've been fed A COMPLETE LIE by the mainstream media. Here are the facts.

While the Western media attempted to use her gender to make a point, Asian publications, including Asahi, offered a more nuanced and truthful article, writing that “207 scientists in 17 nations and regions took part in the project,” and refusing to assign the achievement to any one of the scientists.

For her part, Bouman made it clear on Facebook that she did not want sole credit for the achievement.

“No one algorithm or person made this image,” wrote Bouman, “it required the amazing talent of a team of scientists from around the globe and years of hard work” to capture the black hole image.

Replying to one of the comment asking if the image was made by her personally, Bouman added “Actually no, there were a number of us that all squeezed into the room and pressed go on our computers at the same exact time! We didn’t want any one person or algorithm to be the first one to make the image.”

Andrew Chael wrote the code.

[darklus123]

@spendulus,

Well, I still completely understood that it was a collaborative effort man, and  I didn't even say that she was the one who contributed more on that project it's just that for my understanding she was the one responsible for combining all the data that was gathered all over the world. The only thing that amazes me is that she said if I am not mistaken that she is really not a scientist and as young as that contributed to one of the biggest science breakthroughs is still so amazing.

Sorry, because of not crediting the other team members tho and for the wrong choices of words.

[Butterscotch Cartman]

It saddens me that you fools actually believe this shit is real, just another hoax like all the other fairy tales NASA tells you.

[Spendulus]

@spendulus,

Well, I still completely understood that it was a collaborative effort man, and  I didn't even say that she was the one who contributed more on that project it's just that for my understanding she was the one responsible for combining all the data that was gathered all over the world. The only thing that amazes me is that she said if I am not mistaken that she is really not a scientist and as young as that contributed to one of the biggest science breakthroughs is still so amazing.

Sorry, because of not crediting the other team members tho and for the wrong choices of words.

I am not accusing you, not at all. In fact I have second thoughts about my post and here is why. Sure what I said is "right," but science reporters often, almost ALWAYS, get hard science wrong. They just don't understand it.

So I have moved from thinking "fake news" to thinking "another bungled science reporting coupled with politically correctness inclinations and a great pic of a pretty girl".

But there is simply no excuse for not showing and even naming each of the individuals. Yes they are likely all brilliant. In a field like this there is no room for pushing minorities or women to the front. Those games do not work, they stifle progress.

[Aero Blue]

This is great. It's a start at finding out what a BH really is.     

Yea I find all the "science" around black holes so fascinating. The way black holes affect spacetime just messes up my mind lol

[iamMhew]

Might be One of the biggest Discovery breakthrough.
But the mystery continues, specially the validation of some ideas as to, what inside the black holes can do?
We could wait another century or less to find out that.

[Malsetid]

Might be One of the biggest Discovery breakthrough.
But the mystery continues, specially the validation of some ideas as to, what inside the black holes can do?
We could wait another century or less to find out that.

Yeah if modern technology took us this long for us to even have a simple picture of what a blackhole actually looks like, chances are this generation or even the next generation won't be able to find out or have evidences of what's in a blackhole. The universe is a vastly facinating place and humans may even go out without discovering much of it.

[JSRAW]

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JOURNALISM: Woman Who Media Claims Created Black Hole Image Contributed 0.26% of Code; The media may have been overzealous giving Bouman in giving sole credit for the discovery. “According to data provided publicly by GitHub, Bouman made 2,410 contributions to the over 900,000 lines of code required to create the first-of-its-kind black hole image, or 0.26 per cent. Bouman’s contributions also occurred toward the end of the work on the code. In contrast, contributor Andrew Chael wrote over 850,000 lines of code.”

To her credit, her credit-sharing response was appropriately honest.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/woman-who-media-claims-created-black-hole-image-contributed-0-26-of-code/

So you've been fed A COMPLETE LIE by the mainstream media. Here are the facts.

While the Western media attempted to use her gender to make a point, Asian publications, including Asahi, offered a more nuanced and truthful article, writing that “207 scientists in 17 nations and regions took part in the project,” and refusing to assign the achievement to any one of the scientists.

For her part, Bouman made it clear on Facebook that she did not want sole credit for the achievement.

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Ah, My bad I shared her name here in this thread first, so i guess it's my fault as well. I am sorry I didn't cross-check the story with other sources. was using mobile. so was being lazy and end up sharing a half baked story.

When I noticed my twitter feed there was news floating around that " She ( Katie Bauman ) led the development" Thanks for sharing whole truth and correcting us, appreciate that.

[BADecker]

Probably black hole science is completely useless in a practical way. All it might do is "WOW" the emotions of science-minded people who are borderline superhero-minded freaks.

It's things like graphene and borophene that are the practical breakthroughs - https://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2019/04/sorry-grapheneborophene-is-new-wonder.html.

[robbylove]

So... How many black holes, mathematically speaking, exist across the universe?

Are they responsible for that missing mass?

How come the light (energy) I see on that picture is not perfectly spherical? I thought a black hole was a hole from all directions, from all perspectives... and not something shaped like a warped doughnut... So a black hole has an up and a down and a profile.

Cool.

 

EDIT: The light we see is a what is happening in the region behind the black hole. I answered my own question.

[zhekinsp]

It is one of the biggest milestone reach on exploring the universe and this also proves theories written by many great scientists.No one still know what can be inside a blackhole but we are seeing something which is 50 million light years away from us.

[Spendulus]

So... How many black holes, mathematically speaking, exist across the universe?

Are they responsible for that missing mass?

How come the light (energy) I see on that picture is not perfectly spherical? I thought a black hole was a hole from all directions, from all perspectives... and not something shaped like a warped doughnut... So a black hole has an up and a down and a profile.

Cool.

 

EDIT: The light we see is a what is happening in the region behind the black hole. I answered my own question.

Rate of centrifugal force is highest equatorially. There the speed is likely a good fraction of light speed, where at upper and lower latitudes that speed is proportionally less. In those regions light falls in at the equator it cannot.

[BADecker]

So... How many black holes, mathematically speaking, exist across the universe?

Are they responsible for that missing mass?

How come the light (energy) I see on that picture is not perfectly spherical? I thought a black hole was a hole from all directions, from all perspectives... and not something shaped like a warped doughnut... So a black hole has an up and a down and a profile.

Cool.

 

EDIT: The light we see is a what is happening in the region behind the black hole. I answered my own question.

Rate of centrifugal force is highest equatorially. There the speed is likely a good fraction of light speed, where at upper and lower latitudes that speed is proportionally less. In those regions light falls in at the equator it cannot.

Does this mean that we have a continual sliding of photons from the equatorial regions, along the "surface" of the BH, toward the poles? And then, internally, from the poles towards the equator? If so, the BH is a churn of constant chaos that we can never understand from the few photons that finally escape into space while escaping at the equator.

If we see a BH as a black-hole, what we are seeing is the polar region. If we see the BH from the equator, it might look like a dim star from the few photons being expelled, which were originally dragged in at the poles.

At the distances we are from a BH, we can't really tell what's going on. The BH might be completely different than all the postulating and theorizing that we do.

[BADecker]

Why are some jokers always pushing women into the forefront when they aren't supposed to be there?


Mass media celebration of woman scientist credited for black hole image was bogus… even SCIENCE is now pushing a liberal agenda

In its rush to politicize on the basis of gender, the world’s first computer-generated image of a “black hole,” the mainstream media has once again been caught propagating politically-correct “fake news” by falsely attributing the image’s creation to a female whose algorithms weren’t even used to generate said image.

For days, Left Cult writers, pundits, and politicians hailed Katie Bouman as some kind of hero for supposedly single-handedly coding the data that ultimately generated the black hole image – something that Bouman herself initially claimed on her personal Facebook page when she captioned a celebratory photo of herself with the words:

“Watching in disbelief as the first image I ever made of a black hole was in the process of being reconstructed.”

Bouman, the paying-attention world would quickly find out, wasn’t actually being honest in taking full credit for the image’s generation, seeing as how an entire team of coders contributed to the project. Not only that, but Bouman’s coding “contributions” didn’t even make the final cut – meaning she contributed a whole lot of nothing to the final creation.

But none of this stopped the fake news brigade, along with dimwitted politicians like socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC), from publishing all sorts of sexist, woman-worshiping nonsense about how Bouman has somehow earned a unique place in the history books as a female contributor to science.

“Take your rightful seat in history, Dr. Bouman!” tweeted AOC, along with an emoji of a telescope. “Congratulations and thank you for your enormous contribution to the advancements of science and mankind. Here’s to #WomenInSTEM!” the live-streaming fanatic added, “STEM” referring to the fields of science, technology, engineering and math, which many Leftist feminists claim isn’t occupied by enough women, LGBTs, and other “special” groups.

[Spendulus]

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Rate of centrifugal force is highest equatorially. There the speed is likely a good fraction of light speed, where at upper and lower latitudes that speed is proportionally less. In those regions light falls in at the equator it cannot.

Does this mean that we have a continual sliding of photons from the equatorial regions, along the "surface" of the BH, toward the poles? And then, internally, from the poles towards the equator? ...

No. Nothing of the sort.

[robbylove]

I don't get why a black hole needs to spin. Yes I can see galaxies spin, everything spins pretty much. But why a black hole needs to spin. Is it because the star, before its collapse, was already spinning? Momentum to (infinite?) acceleration?

[BADecker]

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Rate of centrifugal force is highest equatorially. There the speed is likely a good fraction of light speed, where at upper and lower latitudes that speed is proportionally less. In those regions light falls in at the equator it cannot.

Does this mean that we have a continual sliding of photons from the equatorial regions, along the "surface" of the BH, toward the poles? And then, internally, from the poles towards the equator? ...

No. Nothing of the sort.

I know, I know. If we work at it hard enough, we can think up theories in any direction.

[Spendulus]

I don't get why a black hole needs to spin. Yes I can see galaxies spin, everything spins pretty much. But why a black hole needs to spin. Is it because the star, before its collapse, was already spinning? Momentum to (infinite?) acceleration?

You and I don't know that a black hole spins. "Inside" the black hole, our rules of space time do not apply. A singularity has no dimensions, right?

We discuss the events outside the "event horizon," the Schwarchild radius.

We see things outside that radius. For example, assume an object is trapped and it is headed into the black hole, getting crushed and stretched as it goes. Light is emitted. Until it reaches the event horizon, we see that light. It was able to escape. After this object passes the event horizon, nothing escapes.

And there, yes, the typical circular flow patterns which develop in a gravitational field develop. Such patterns must be two dimensional, so they consolidate in the equatorial plane, where the radial forces are the highest.

I think that's understandable but if it isn't I'll try another approach.

[robbylove]

I don't get why a black hole needs to spin. Yes I can see galaxies spin, everything spins pretty much. But why a black hole needs to spin. Is it because the star, before its collapse, was already spinning? Momentum to (infinite?) acceleration?

You and I don't know that a black hole spins. "Inside" the black hole, our rules of space time do not apply. A singularity has no dimensions, right?

We discuss the events outside the "event horizon," the Schwarchild radius.

We see things outside that radius. For example, assume an object is trapped and it is headed into the black hole, getting crushed and stretched as it goes. Light is emitted. Until it reaches the event horizon, we see that light. It was able to escape. After this object passes the event horizon, nothing escapes.

And there, yes, the typical circular flow patterns which develop in a gravitational field develop. Such patterns must be two dimensional, so they consolidate in the equatorial plane, where the radial forces are the highest.

I think that's understandable but if it isn't I'll try another approach.

It is as clear it could be to me. Cool!

[SaltySpitoon]

Its neat, but its not a picture of the part of the black hole that people really care about. They used microwave imaging, which would give them information on a distance quite far from the event horizon itself where the region of space was relatively warm. To get an image of the event horizon, they would have to use unfathomably high energy gamma radiation. I didn't run the numbers myself, but I was speaking with a stellar astrophysicist who said that we'd need a power source on the magnitude of the sun to get an image of the event horizon of a black hole using the same process.

I'm not putting anyone on the project down, its certainly cool and I'd be willing to bet that they themselves reported nothing incorrectly, but the media jumped on this like a medical study that found one guy who had a stroke after drinking a cup of coffee, so they report that coffee causes strokes. Astrophysicists think its neat, but not really that groundbreaking.

[Spendulus]

Its neat, but its not a picture of the part of the black hole that people really care about. They used microwave imaging, which would give them information on a distance quite far from the event horizon itself where the region of space was relatively warm. To get an image of the event horizon, they would have to use unfathomably high energy gamma radiation. I didn't run the numbers myself, but I was speaking with a stellar astrophysicist who said that we'd need a power source on the magnitude of the sun to get an image of the event horizon of a black hole using the same process.

I'm not putting anyone on the project down, its certainly cool and I'd be willing to bet that they themselves reported nothing incorrectly, but the media jumped on this like a medical study that found one guy who had a stroke after drinking a cup of coffee, so they report that coffee causes strokes. Astrophysicists think its neat, but not really that groundbreaking.

I sort of agree with that perspective but really, exponentially scaling up the power to get closer to an event horizon?

That's likely to sort of get like "where's the surface of a star?" It's indefinite, but we nonetheless have entire observatories that do nothing but look at the surface of the sun.

Work of this sort can quite likely go a long way without actually imaging the event horizon. I imagine that in any such long term observation, we could see really huge breakthroughs. 

[jak3]

I am not surprised when I get this news. we are discussing black holes and neutron stars for over a decade now. and this doesnt seem to do any diffrent. although I am not saying that it is not a great discovery, of course, it is, one of the best things happened in this era that we can finally start studying the actual black holes rather than some imaginary pictures. but still will it makes things different right now because we still do not understand their physics or how does blackhole actually behave.

[BADecker]

Think about this. Up a ways in this thread, we mentioned that black holes might be rotating, like the Earth is turning. And that because of the turn (or spin), light might only reach escape velocity at the equator of the spinning BH, but be dragged in at the poles - centrifugal force acting on the light at the equator.

What if there weren't many stars? What if almost everything that we call a star is a spinning BH that we are viewing at the equator?

What if dark matter and dark energy are really black holes seen on end, at the poles, where light wouldn't have any equatorial spin to help it escape?

What if dim stars were slower spinning black holes, where the light barely escaped at the equator?

What if red shift had to do with the way the black holes spun - the way light escaped the BH - rather than with how fast stars were traveling away from us? Or maybe seen on "edge," neither from the equator or the pole?

What if the universe is way less than a billion light years in diameter, and we have applied the wrong theories to judge its size?

[exemplaar]

I have some other pictures...
But the Same news


https://twitter.com/ehtelescope
Their existence was predicted by more General scientific theories (for the first time — at the end of the XVIII century) and since then repeatedly confirmed by calculations. But scientists did not have "material evidence" — and now they do.

that looks like a glazed donut that's very out of focus

In these times of deception people will believe anything they serve them, even the most ludicrous fairy tales.

Here is your "black hole" source 

[robbylove]

I have some other pictures...
But the Same news


https://twitter.com/ehtelescope
Their existence was predicted by more General scientific theories (for the first time — at the end of the XVIII century) and since then repeatedly confirmed by calculations. But scientists did not have "material evidence" — and now they do.

that looks like a glazed donut that's very out of focus

In these times of deception people will believe anything they serve them, even the most ludicrous fairy tales.

Here is your "black hole" source 

Who created Snoop?

[robbylove]

Scientists Measure The Spin of M87 Black Hole and It's Mind Blowing

https://youtu.be/0osP65BRoYk

[Spendulus]

Scientists Measure The Spin of M87 Black Hole and It's Mind Blowing

https://youtu.be/0osP65BRoYk

Can't watch those at the moment but my guess is the spin rate of matter headed inward is a fair percentage of light speed.

[robbylove]

Scientists Measure The Spin of M87 Black Hole and It's Mind Blowing

https://youtu.be/0osP65BRoYk

Can't watch those at the moment but my guess is the spin rate of matter headed inward is a fair percentage of light speed.

Take your time. Watch whenever and come back with your general perspective.

[newbie0506]

Scientists Measure The Spin of M87 Black Hole and It's Mind Blowing

https://youtu.be/0osP65BRoYk

Can't watch those at the moment but my guess is the spin rate of matter headed inward is a fair percentage of light speed.

Wow  Dafu** did I just watch. This is absolutely fantastic. Gonna subscribe to him from now on.