Can this be one of the biggest science breakthroughs so far?(Blackhole)

[darklus123]

@spendulus,

Well, I still completely understood that it was a collaborative effort man, and  I didn't even say that she was the one who contributed more on that project it's just that for my understanding she was the one responsible for combining all the data that was gathered all over the world. The only thing that amazes me is that she said if I am not mistaken that she is really not a scientist and as young as that contributed to one of the biggest science breakthroughs is still so amazing.

Sorry, because of not crediting the other team members tho and for the wrong choices of words.

[Butterscotch Cartman]

It saddens me that you fools actually believe this shit is real, just another hoax like all the other fairy tales NASA tells you.

[Spendulus]

@spendulus,

Well, I still completely understood that it was a collaborative effort man, and  I didn't even say that she was the one who contributed more on that project it's just that for my understanding she was the one responsible for combining all the data that was gathered all over the world. The only thing that amazes me is that she said if I am not mistaken that she is really not a scientist and as young as that contributed to one of the biggest science breakthroughs is still so amazing.

Sorry, because of not crediting the other team members tho and for the wrong choices of words.

I am not accusing you, not at all. In fact I have second thoughts about my post and here is why. Sure what I said is "right," but science reporters often, almost ALWAYS, get hard science wrong. They just don't understand it.

So I have moved from thinking "fake news" to thinking "another bungled science reporting coupled with politically correctness inclinations and a great pic of a pretty girl".

But there is simply no excuse for not showing and even naming each of the individuals. Yes they are likely all brilliant. In a field like this there is no room for pushing minorities or women to the front. Those games do not work, they stifle progress.

[Aero Blue]

This is great. It's a start at finding out what a BH really is.     

Yea I find all the "science" around black holes so fascinating. The way black holes affect spacetime just messes up my mind lol

[iamMhew]

Might be One of the biggest Discovery breakthrough.
But the mystery continues, specially the validation of some ideas as to, what inside the black holes can do?
We could wait another century or less to find out that.

[Malsetid]

Might be One of the biggest Discovery breakthrough.
But the mystery continues, specially the validation of some ideas as to, what inside the black holes can do?
We could wait another century or less to find out that.

Yeah if modern technology took us this long for us to even have a simple picture of what a blackhole actually looks like, chances are this generation or even the next generation won't be able to find out or have evidences of what's in a blackhole. The universe is a vastly facinating place and humans may even go out without discovering much of it.

[JSRAW]

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JOURNALISM: Woman Who Media Claims Created Black Hole Image Contributed 0.26% of Code; The media may have been overzealous giving Bouman in giving sole credit for the discovery. “According to data provided publicly by GitHub, Bouman made 2,410 contributions to the over 900,000 lines of code required to create the first-of-its-kind black hole image, or 0.26 per cent. Bouman’s contributions also occurred toward the end of the work on the code. In contrast, contributor Andrew Chael wrote over 850,000 lines of code.”

To her credit, her credit-sharing response was appropriately honest.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/woman-who-media-claims-created-black-hole-image-contributed-0-26-of-code/

So you've been fed A COMPLETE LIE by the mainstream media. Here are the facts.

While the Western media attempted to use her gender to make a point, Asian publications, including Asahi, offered a more nuanced and truthful article, writing that “207 scientists in 17 nations and regions took part in the project,” and refusing to assign the achievement to any one of the scientists.

For her part, Bouman made it clear on Facebook that she did not want sole credit for the achievement.

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Ah, My bad I shared her name here in this thread first, so i guess it's my fault as well. I am sorry I didn't cross-check the story with other sources. was using mobile. so was being lazy and end up sharing a half baked story.

When I noticed my twitter feed there was news floating around that " She ( Katie Bauman ) led the development" Thanks for sharing whole truth and correcting us, appreciate that.

[BADecker]

Probably black hole science is completely useless in a practical way. All it might do is "WOW" the emotions of science-minded people who are borderline superhero-minded freaks.

It's things like graphene and borophene that are the practical breakthroughs - https://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2019/04/sorry-grapheneborophene-is-new-wonder.html.

[robbylove]

So... How many black holes, mathematically speaking, exist across the universe?

Are they responsible for that missing mass?

How come the light (energy) I see on that picture is not perfectly spherical? I thought a black hole was a hole from all directions, from all perspectives... and not something shaped like a warped doughnut... So a black hole has an up and a down and a profile.

Cool.

 

EDIT: The light we see is a what is happening in the region behind the black hole. I answered my own question.

[zhekinsp]

It is one of the biggest milestone reach on exploring the universe and this also proves theories written by many great scientists.No one still know what can be inside a blackhole but we are seeing something which is 50 million light years away from us.

[Spendulus]

So... How many black holes, mathematically speaking, exist across the universe?

Are they responsible for that missing mass?

How come the light (energy) I see on that picture is not perfectly spherical? I thought a black hole was a hole from all directions, from all perspectives... and not something shaped like a warped doughnut... So a black hole has an up and a down and a profile.

Cool.

 

EDIT: The light we see is a what is happening in the region behind the black hole. I answered my own question.

Rate of centrifugal force is highest equatorially. There the speed is likely a good fraction of light speed, where at upper and lower latitudes that speed is proportionally less. In those regions light falls in at the equator it cannot.

[BADecker]

So... How many black holes, mathematically speaking, exist across the universe?

Are they responsible for that missing mass?

How come the light (energy) I see on that picture is not perfectly spherical? I thought a black hole was a hole from all directions, from all perspectives... and not something shaped like a warped doughnut... So a black hole has an up and a down and a profile.

Cool.

 

EDIT: The light we see is a what is happening in the region behind the black hole. I answered my own question.

Rate of centrifugal force is highest equatorially. There the speed is likely a good fraction of light speed, where at upper and lower latitudes that speed is proportionally less. In those regions light falls in at the equator it cannot.

Does this mean that we have a continual sliding of photons from the equatorial regions, along the "surface" of the BH, toward the poles? And then, internally, from the poles towards the equator? If so, the BH is a churn of constant chaos that we can never understand from the few photons that finally escape into space while escaping at the equator.

If we see a BH as a black-hole, what we are seeing is the polar region. If we see the BH from the equator, it might look like a dim star from the few photons being expelled, which were originally dragged in at the poles.

At the distances we are from a BH, we can't really tell what's going on. The BH might be completely different than all the postulating and theorizing that we do.

[BADecker]

Why are some jokers always pushing women into the forefront when they aren't supposed to be there?


Mass media celebration of woman scientist credited for black hole image was bogus… even SCIENCE is now pushing a liberal agenda

In its rush to politicize on the basis of gender, the world’s first computer-generated image of a “black hole,” the mainstream media has once again been caught propagating politically-correct “fake news” by falsely attributing the image’s creation to a female whose algorithms weren’t even used to generate said image.

For days, Left Cult writers, pundits, and politicians hailed Katie Bouman as some kind of hero for supposedly single-handedly coding the data that ultimately generated the black hole image – something that Bouman herself initially claimed on her personal Facebook page when she captioned a celebratory photo of herself with the words:

“Watching in disbelief as the first image I ever made of a black hole was in the process of being reconstructed.”

Bouman, the paying-attention world would quickly find out, wasn’t actually being honest in taking full credit for the image’s generation, seeing as how an entire team of coders contributed to the project. Not only that, but Bouman’s coding “contributions” didn’t even make the final cut – meaning she contributed a whole lot of nothing to the final creation.

But none of this stopped the fake news brigade, along with dimwitted politicians like socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC), from publishing all sorts of sexist, woman-worshiping nonsense about how Bouman has somehow earned a unique place in the history books as a female contributor to science.

“Take your rightful seat in history, Dr. Bouman!” tweeted AOC, along with an emoji of a telescope. “Congratulations and thank you for your enormous contribution to the advancements of science and mankind. Here’s to #WomenInSTEM!” the live-streaming fanatic added, “STEM” referring to the fields of science, technology, engineering and math, which many Leftist feminists claim isn’t occupied by enough women, LGBTs, and other “special” groups.

[Spendulus]

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Rate of centrifugal force is highest equatorially. There the speed is likely a good fraction of light speed, where at upper and lower latitudes that speed is proportionally less. In those regions light falls in at the equator it cannot.

Does this mean that we have a continual sliding of photons from the equatorial regions, along the "surface" of the BH, toward the poles? And then, internally, from the poles towards the equator? ...

No. Nothing of the sort.

[robbylove]

I don't get why a black hole needs to spin. Yes I can see galaxies spin, everything spins pretty much. But why a black hole needs to spin. Is it because the star, before its collapse, was already spinning? Momentum to (infinite?) acceleration?

[BADecker]

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Rate of centrifugal force is highest equatorially. There the speed is likely a good fraction of light speed, where at upper and lower latitudes that speed is proportionally less. In those regions light falls in at the equator it cannot.

Does this mean that we have a continual sliding of photons from the equatorial regions, along the "surface" of the BH, toward the poles? And then, internally, from the poles towards the equator? ...

No. Nothing of the sort.

I know, I know. If we work at it hard enough, we can think up theories in any direction.

[Spendulus]

I don't get why a black hole needs to spin. Yes I can see galaxies spin, everything spins pretty much. But why a black hole needs to spin. Is it because the star, before its collapse, was already spinning? Momentum to (infinite?) acceleration?

You and I don't know that a black hole spins. "Inside" the black hole, our rules of space time do not apply. A singularity has no dimensions, right?

We discuss the events outside the "event horizon," the Schwarchild radius.

We see things outside that radius. For example, assume an object is trapped and it is headed into the black hole, getting crushed and stretched as it goes. Light is emitted. Until it reaches the event horizon, we see that light. It was able to escape. After this object passes the event horizon, nothing escapes.

And there, yes, the typical circular flow patterns which develop in a gravitational field develop. Such patterns must be two dimensional, so they consolidate in the equatorial plane, where the radial forces are the highest.

I think that's understandable but if it isn't I'll try another approach.

[robbylove]

I don't get why a black hole needs to spin. Yes I can see galaxies spin, everything spins pretty much. But why a black hole needs to spin. Is it because the star, before its collapse, was already spinning? Momentum to (infinite?) acceleration?

You and I don't know that a black hole spins. "Inside" the black hole, our rules of space time do not apply. A singularity has no dimensions, right?

We discuss the events outside the "event horizon," the Schwarchild radius.

We see things outside that radius. For example, assume an object is trapped and it is headed into the black hole, getting crushed and stretched as it goes. Light is emitted. Until it reaches the event horizon, we see that light. It was able to escape. After this object passes the event horizon, nothing escapes.

And there, yes, the typical circular flow patterns which develop in a gravitational field develop. Such patterns must be two dimensional, so they consolidate in the equatorial plane, where the radial forces are the highest.

I think that's understandable but if it isn't I'll try another approach.

It is as clear it could be to me. Cool!

[SaltySpitoon]

Its neat, but its not a picture of the part of the black hole that people really care about. They used microwave imaging, which would give them information on a distance quite far from the event horizon itself where the region of space was relatively warm. To get an image of the event horizon, they would have to use unfathomably high energy gamma radiation. I didn't run the numbers myself, but I was speaking with a stellar astrophysicist who said that we'd need a power source on the magnitude of the sun to get an image of the event horizon of a black hole using the same process.

I'm not putting anyone on the project down, its certainly cool and I'd be willing to bet that they themselves reported nothing incorrectly, but the media jumped on this like a medical study that found one guy who had a stroke after drinking a cup of coffee, so they report that coffee causes strokes. Astrophysicists think its neat, but not really that groundbreaking.

[Spendulus]

Its neat, but its not a picture of the part of the black hole that people really care about. They used microwave imaging, which would give them information on a distance quite far from the event horizon itself where the region of space was relatively warm. To get an image of the event horizon, they would have to use unfathomably high energy gamma radiation. I didn't run the numbers myself, but I was speaking with a stellar astrophysicist who said that we'd need a power source on the magnitude of the sun to get an image of the event horizon of a black hole using the same process.

I'm not putting anyone on the project down, its certainly cool and I'd be willing to bet that they themselves reported nothing incorrectly, but the media jumped on this like a medical study that found one guy who had a stroke after drinking a cup of coffee, so they report that coffee causes strokes. Astrophysicists think its neat, but not really that groundbreaking.

I sort of agree with that perspective but really, exponentially scaling up the power to get closer to an event horizon?

That's likely to sort of get like "where's the surface of a star?" It's indefinite, but we nonetheless have entire observatories that do nothing but look at the surface of the sun.

Work of this sort can quite likely go a long way without actually imaging the event horizon. I imagine that in any such long term observation, we could see really huge breakthroughs.