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[qwertyup23]

It is inevitable that this forum is used as a medium for promoting business, advertisements, and recruitments for businesses. This forum has the largest amount of users active around the world and this would be a great opportunity for people who are looking to share their knowledge about cryptocurrencies in general.

The problem comes when people view the forum purely on earning income alone. This defeats the purpose of being a learning tool and as a general guide to most newbies since the forum is being populated with spammers, scammers, hackers, and abusers.

Lastly, relying on this forum as their primary source of income is a risky move. The flow of income may be unstable and the offers from various campaign signatures is mainly on a short-term basis.

[YOSHIE]

Why do you think that this Forum is a real income place, it's wrong.
Forum place to discuss cryptocurrency like Bitcoin etc.
I'm sure 80% of people in this Forum have a steady income.
Money is never enough for humans, in humans there is greed and greed.
Now that you have a vehicle tomorrow, you want to have a luxury home, this will not end.
If you think that the Forum is your main place of income, maybe 1 year or 2 years ahead of your child, your wife will starve, fantasize to be rich.
Prioritize the Forum for you where to discuss crypto, the money you get in the forum is in addition to you.

This method can also make a lot of money:

https://youtu.be/x2P9YcnWlwY

No, it should be on the Forum.

[lobcmt2]

I do know many people from my country that use this forum as their only source of income.  This website is very popular among our internet cafes and I started to read more about this forum.  The thing is a lot of jobs don't pay enough and people are looking for a way out.  Do you feel empathy for these people or do you think this forum shouldn't be for money?

What did you imply by writing "this forum shouldn't be for money"?
Maybe you misexpressed your ideas, but let assume that you express exactly what you wanted. I will give you information that the admin stated strongly that the forum does not need money.
I will find original post of theymos later, for now you can use this one for reference

theymos multiple times said that currently forum don't need donations. They get enough revenue by selling ad slots. Also, there are more than enough BTC in forum reserves. And with new rank requirements Bitcointalk will get BTC from people who are buying Copper memberships.

[Findingnemo]

When people use bitcointalk as source of their only income then it is huge risk they are taking and their future are also a big question.I am not sure advertisements in this forum will stay forever so people need to use those forum as source of learning to make money from different ways.

[bones261]

     People are not only earning income through pay per post and bounties, though. Although that is how most are earning an income through this forum, some people are earning though providing various services(such as lending, selling goods, escrow, being a campaign manager, etc etc.) . Just as long as people are not scamming anyone or posting pure garbage, I'm cool with people trying to make this forum work for them. After all, this forum is all about bitcoin and various cryptocurrencies. Bitcoin is money.

[Mux@]

This forum is primarily a source of knowledge and a place where participants share their experiences. As participants gain knowledge, many begin to look for ways to earn money on this forum and find them! In the process of generating income, participants receive their own experience. Someone this experience is positive and brings profit. Some are disappointed in their expectations of income through this forum. To each his own!

[The-One-Above-All]

I do know many people from my country that use this forum as their only source of income.  This website is very popular among our internet cafes and I started to read more about this forum.  The thing is a lot of jobs don't pay enough and people are looking for a way out.  Do you feel empathy for these people or do you think this forum shouldn't be for money?

One must endeavor to empathize with those less fortunate than ourselves. I would not chastise those seeking much needed financial reward in return for their contributions. If they are trying their uttermost to provide valuable and useful content, then however meager their net output is, they must be encouraged.

I fear saturation point in terms of novel ico's with real use cases is near at hand. The chances of your air drop tokens/sig derived tokens bringing a consistent income sufficient to live upon are slimming daily.

The primary problem that some members have with the specific group being discussed, is that some are unable to produce any output above noise level. Too much noise can drown out the less frequent high value posts. This can destroy, and inhibit, the meaningful interaction and exchanges of ideas.

The forum will eventually reach a point, where the threshold to extract any direct financial reward via posting is  high enough to prevent a lot of the low level noise.

This forum will never separate itself from perceived opportunities to make easy money.

[AhmadM]

I do know many people from my country that use this forum as their only source of income.  This website is very popular among our internet cafes and I started to read more about this forum.  The thing is a lot of jobs don't pay enough and people are looking for a way out.  Do you feel empathy for these people or do you think this forum shouldn't be for money?

This forum is not for income source only, you are right you can earn some money from here but dont see it just on one sight (money). You also have to see it as source of knowledge especially about cryptocurrency and blockchain technology.

[TheNewAnon135246]

Make a thread about income, attract people making random posts for their signature campaign. I like the irony  .

[The Sceptical Chymist]

<snip>relying on this forum as their primary source of income is a risky move. The flow of income may be unstable and the offers from various campaign signatures is mainly on a short-term basis.

My thoughts exactly.  I have the Services section on ignore, but before I did there seemed to be a lot fewer new bitcoin-paying signature campaigns popping up, which makes me wonder how long they're going to exist.  On the other hand, bounties seem to be going strong.  If you take a look at any post made by a low-ranked member in sections like Bitcoin Discussion, chances are they're advertising some ICO or project in their signature space, avatar, and/or personal message space.

Bounties and campaigns might be a great way for people in impoverished areas to earn money, but if they're counting on it as their sole source of income, they're playing Russian roulette.  What happens if, for whatever reason, you can no longer use bitcointalk to make money?  All the time these people spent spamming wasn't used to grow marketable skills for a real-life job, so they'd be screwed.

And besides all that, bounty hunters are generally not good for the forum--they contribute mostly vapid, cookie-cutter statements with no thought, and they do this with as little effort as they can.  Bitcoin Discussion should be the best section here, and yet it's hands-down one of the worst.  Why?  Because of all the people who come here just to make money.  Such people don't necessarily care about bitcoin.  They want to earn money, whatever form it happens to take.  Thus, they tend to have very little to say about bitcoin except that 'it has a sunny future and continues to grow day by day' or some such shit.

So OP, I have a very dismal view of career bitcointalkers.  This forum is great for them but they're lousy for the rest of us who actually like to read interesting stuff.

If they are trying their uttermost to provide valuable and useful content, then however meager their net output is, they must be encouraged.

Yeah.  The problem is that they're not trying to provide anything to anyone else but themselves.  There are exceptions to that, of course, but just take a look at some of the mega spam sections and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[TheNewAnon135246]

<snip>relying on this forum as their primary source of income is a risky move. The flow of income may be unstable and the offers from various campaign signatures is mainly on a short-term basis.

My thoughts exactly.  I have the Services section on ignore, but before I did there seemed to be a lot fewer new bitcoin-paying signature campaigns popping up, which makes me wonder how long they're going to exist.  On the other hand, bounties seem to be going strong.  If you take a look at any post made by a low-ranked member in sections like Bitcoin Discussion, chances are they're advertising some ICO or project in their signature space, avatar, and/or personal message space.

Bounties and campaigns might be a great way for people in impoverished areas to earn money, but if they're counting on it as their sole source of income, they're playing Russian roulette.  What happens if, for whatever reason, you can no longer use bitcointalk to make money?  All the time these people spent spamming wasn't used to grow marketable skills for a real-life job, so they'd be screwed.

And besides all that, bounty hunters are generally not good for the forum--they contribute mostly vapid, cookie-cutter statements with no thought, and they do this with as little effort as they can.  Bitcoin Discussion should be the best section here, and yet it's hands-down one of the worst.  Why?  Because of all the people who come here just to make money.  Such people don't necessarily care about bitcoin.  They want to earn money, whatever form it happens to take.  Thus, they tend to have very little to say about bitcoin except that 'it has a sunny future and continues to grow day by day' or some such shit.

So OP, I have a very dismal view of career bitcointalkers.  This forum is great for them but they're lousy for the rest of us who actually like to read interesting stuff.

Well said. What really surprised me (and really pissed me off) is that they even had the nerve to post in Zepher's memorial thread.

[Theb]

This forum isn't like a bodybuilding forum that focuses on workouts and diet or a car forum that focuses on car reviews and parts this is a cryptocurrency related forum that focuses on Bitcoin (and Altcoins) which is or are currencies in itself. You cannot really speak about cryptocurrencies here without actually having a point on were you can't earn them, its like speaking about cryptids monster without actually seeing one. Like what they have said its inevitable on the nature of the forum itself that's why you see a lot of modes of revenue here not only through campaigns and bounty threads but also in the service and marketplace section as well where you can actually sell physical goods or services to other people.

[Becky666]

The choice is yours as a Bitcointalker either to choice to work for money on the forum, or to arm yourself with the knowledge of cryptocurrency. Deliberately i choose the ways of knowledge than the ways of "get quick rich" that many have chosen, OP should advise himself/herself on the side s/he choose to toil on.

Actually, many will stand against me on this; Satoshi aim and purpose for the forum was not meant to be use for paid signature campaign but Bitcoiners has turn it to be a venue for "get quick rich"(in bold). Not disputing anybody who choose to participate on signature campaign but let be realistic, that the first thing should be first, let the purpose of the forum creation be ultimate goal for the Bitcoiners and not the secondary("get quick rich").

Will somebody say my signature campaign has no benefits because is voluntary? or not quality signature campaign? i have choosing the knowledge over the money which is more profitable than the latest scheme of work on the forum ("get quick rick" with signature campaigns). Not too interested on the Satoshi's paid by these Managers to Bounty Hunters.

Reading some amazing tips/comments/suggestion provided by some higher ranked members, even the lower ranked members; get me so emotional about their knowledge of cryptocurrency and just want to be like them; that's all i wanted for now.

[samcrypto]

This forum is a way to learn more about cryptocurrency, a tool for a new coins to spread there project well and this is not a source of income but a great source of knowledge.

You can’t earn money in this forum alone, you have to find a project who are willing to pay for your works and you can see that on different sections on this forum.

[TECSHARE]

I do know many people from my country that use this forum as their only source of income.  This website is very popular among our internet cafes and I started to read more about this forum.  The thing is a lot of jobs don't pay enough and people are looking for a way out.  Do you feel empathy for these people or do you think this forum shouldn't be for money?

I think most people here who use the forum welcome people who want to earn income here as long as they are not fraudulent, don't disrupt the function of the forum, and provide useful goods or services. If you can do those 3 things you should be well accepted here even if your only purpose is to earn an income.

[daarul50]

At first, this forum was created not functioned as a tool to make money but this forum served as a medium for discussing crypto users especially bitcoin. But, as the function of this forum progresses, it must adjust to current needs and conditions so that many people assume that this forum is a medium for earning money. We cannot blame them because in the forum we talk about everything about cryptocurrency including income in the form of bitcoin that we can exchange with fiat money.

[FFrankie]

I applaud those in third world countries who use this forum for an income, I can only imagine how fast their internet is.

According to https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php there are 14 countries in the world where the average signature campaign pays more than the median wage.

[nagauruk]

The problem is not where and how money is earned. As someone stated before, human greed has no limits, you get something then you want other things and so on.

The point is that if someone makes this forum the main source for making money (I myself use this forum to get pocket money), it doesn't matter as long as the person is able to manage the money well.

Most people, especially those with low rankings in the forum, only get a little money but that would be another story if they invested their income into 'hidden gems' for example.

Crypto is smart money for smart people. Let's be smart!

[TheHas]

If they are actually trying to contribute, and don't just use google translate to copy paste spam and hope for the best, then sure make some money/crypto.

Problem I had particularly during the 2017 boom was just all the trash and forum exploitation by bounty hunters and even some campaign managers. Most of the content made no sense and made it difficult to engage with anyone in a meaningful way.

Worst part (or most sad) was that alot of these people still don't know a thing about crypto/blockchain, except that you can swap it for $x in whatever fiat you are after.