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April 15, 2019, 07:00:25 AM
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The activation of merit system changed the forum entirely. We all have seen magical things from the system.
However, somewhere in the forum, there are still shitshows around. I don't mention about places like Bounties (Altcoins) childboard where is abundantly burried with types of proof of authentication and so on.
There are some Announcement topics of top altcoins have been burried with spam posts from shitposters
It is obviously that those topics should be better managed or controlled by topics' authors. Unfortunately, some good altcoins have their ANN topics have not been controlled by OPs, whom might leave the forum, or very inactively recent months.
Report button plays its helpful function, but I thought that we should have additional effective solutions for that.


I give only some examples here, but you can find more.

Ethereum's ANN topic
Monero's ANN topic


If readers of the topic have suggestions or ideas, please feel free to leave it here.

Several current available discussions on this issue:
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April 15, 2019, 07:14:53 AM
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It is obviously that those topics should be better managed or controlled by topics' authors. Unfortunately, some good altcoins have their ANN topics have not been controlled by OPs, whom might leave the forum, or very inactively recent months.
Report button plays its helpful function, but I thought that we should have additional effective solutions for that.
So what other solution do you offer other than the report button.

Most of the Topic authors don't really care about managing the threads they started here when they launched off as most of these top altcoins also decided to launch their own forums. So unfortunately their energies have been diverted to their different forums.
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Ethereum - https://forum.ethereum.org
Monero - https://forum.getmonero.org

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April 15, 2019, 07:58:40 AM
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Somehow we need to persuade these members to become active in the forum again.

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April 15, 2019, 08:22:29 AM
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Somehow we need to persuade these members to become active in the forum again.

I do not think they will come back. Any noob can hurl a personal insult to Vitalik as a creator of "Shit Coin".
Very few might be knowing that Vitalik was a bitcoin developer.
Another old one left the forum for his non bitcoin project.

I do not know why  developer who were developing the alt coin after getting famous just leave this forum. Might be "freedom of speech" in this forum is too much for them to handle.

@OP, These ANN thread are meaningless  because these coin have their own forum and boards to discuss the things.

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April 16, 2019, 08:33:20 AM
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Before a while someone was asked how to arrange the topics in that board, I do not remember what happened in that topic but if you find a better way to rearrange these ANN topics on the first pages, this problem will be resolved.

Setting restrictions against those posts "Especially from newbies" would have catastrophic historical consequences.

Edit: found it. -----> Ideas for topic ordering in altcoin announcements?

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April 16, 2019, 10:19:39 AM
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Somehow we need to persuade these members to become active in the forum again.
I really dislike how a few successful altcoins only used Bitcointalk to gain publicity, and abandoned the forum the moment their premined bag of altcoins made then very, very rich.
When the topic starter is gone for more than a year, I'd say it's time to lock the thread.

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April 16, 2019, 02:07:15 PM
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I really dislike how a few successful altcoins only used Bitcointalk to gain publicity, and abandoned the forum the moment their premined bag of altcoins made then very, very rich.

Exactly.
Not that I don't recognize Buttercup's knowledge but he made use of this forum to attract attention and then he was gone, the forum was too small for him, he needed more than a simple thread he needed an entire forum one for him alone.

It happens with all alts that gain a bit of fame.

When the topic starter is gone for more than a year, I'd say it's time to lock the thread.

That would hurt the forum even more, there are people who still like those coins and still interested in them even if the author has been gone from here for years. They might be overwhelmed by spammers but locking the topics is not something I would like to see.
Maybe put a few of them that are about real projects not shitcoins in some sort of moderated topics but run by the forum mods not by some fan that can't tolerate criticism.

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April 16, 2019, 02:24:24 PM
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Somehow we need to persuade these members to become active in the forum again.

The Big Question is "HOW?"



I really dislike how a few successful altcoins only used Bitcointalk to gain publicity, and abandoned the forum the moment their premined bag of altcoins made then very, very rich.
Have you considered that, they might have been busy and that made them forget on something like they have their threads keeping alive here?

When the topic starter is gone for more than a year, I'd say it's time to lock the thread.
It should be, well, we have tons of threads here that is still open, even though the thread starter is long gone. I have reported some of those in our local sections a while ago.

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April 16, 2019, 04:00:32 PM
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It easy to sneak around with your projects. They can come back to this forum but definitely it wont happen. They can go back to the forum.but not the account they used to log in here. Possibly they're still here and just creating more altcoins project doing ICO. Who knows?

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April 16, 2019, 04:07:39 PM
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So what other solution do you offer other than the report button.
He's not offering any other solution--and reporting spam posts to the mods is the only action concerned members can take.  But there's so much spam in the ANN section that even if Theymos added a dozen new moderators, those spammers would quickly figure out a way to keep doing what they're doing. 

Most of the content in the altcoin sections is crap anyway.  I think if developers had a legitimate project that they were looking for investors for, they wouldn't (and shouldn't) pick bitcointalk as their method for promoting it.  I've long suspected that most of the ANNs are for scammy projects by fake devs who've played this game before.  Therefore, I lost interest in reporting all of those "great project" posts which are most likely paid for by the project developers.  I hate to even call them developers, because the more accurate term is "scammers".

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Somehow we need to persuade these members to become active in the forum again.
I really dislike how a few successful altcoins only used Bitcointalk to gain publicity, and abandoned the forum the moment their premined bag of altcoins made then very, very rich.
When the topic starter is gone for more than a year, I'd say it's time to lock the thread.

I suspect you missed out on investing in the Ethereum ICO as well?  One of my biggest regrets is not buying in under $1 and listening to the people calling eth a scam Sad

Most discussions has already moved to reddit.  Reddit has killed off most online forums and brought all discussion to its platform.

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April 17, 2019, 07:46:00 AM
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even if Theymos added a dozen new moderators, those spammers would quickly figure out a way to keep doing what they're doing.
They will not get anything beneficial from their hard work to spam the forum, if theymos adds more strict rules, and adjust the rank system with new rules on rank demotion. It will be cool if spammers can do their jobs (spamming, they can spam anything they want, but other users can report their spam to mod, and get report badges, maybe), but eventually they won't get any return due to merit system and rank demotion. The more spam posts they made, the longer period they spam the forum, the higher probability they will get demoted by rank system.
By now, spammers can not rank up, even from Newbies to Junior members, because they ruined their sendable merits on their earlier perma banned accounts (or nuked). Now, they have to beg for merits, earn merits from others to get at least a single merit to move up to Junior Member rank, but it seems that they have mostly stucked.



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I suspect you missed out on investing in the Ethereum ICO as well?  One of my biggest regrets is not buying in under $1 and listening to the people calling eth a scam Sad
ETH is a scam; it's almost as it was intentionally made to be as bad as they were capable of making it. Roll Eyes We don't need semi-experts like Vitalik Buterin, we need people like Pieter Wuille.

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April 17, 2019, 08:41:15 PM
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Somehow we need to persuade these members to become active in the forum again.
I really dislike how a few successful altcoins only used Bitcointalk to gain publicity, and abandoned the forum the moment their premined bag of altcoins made then very, very rich.
When the topic starter is gone for more than a year, I'd say it's time to lock the thread.
Something came into my mind reading your post...
I know that auto lock is evil, but:
what about auto locking the topic if the OP don't visit the forum for e.g. 6 months? (3 months, 1 month, etc...)
If OP don't show up, that means that the topic has served it's purpose, so it's lockable.
I know that there are some megathreads with a lot of information in it, but the information won't vanish if the topic is locked. Everyone can open a similar topic, if needed to continue the discussion.

Or, OP's should 'keep alive' their topics, they should click on a button (only visible for the OP) periodically, not to let it auto locked after a month or so.
This would solve the problem of the OPs who open a meaningless topic just to increase the post count and let the topic become a spam megathread, because other spammers are happy to post in a meaningless topic, especially in the off-topic section. I know that this is not the perfect solution, but could limit spammers a bit.

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When you create thread, you have option to make it self-moderated which gives you ability to control posts in your topic but to my mind that's not always fair. On another hand it's not your duty to check every thread of your, read all comments and overally take care of spam posts.
Also to be fair it's very boring when everytime there are topics created about low posts quality, this isn't forum with 2-3 member, there are a lot of people. There are things that you can't prevent like crime in real life and shitposting on forums.

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I suspect you missed out on investing in the Ethereum ICO as well?  One of my biggest regrets is not buying in under $1 and listening to the people calling eth a scam Sad
ETH is a scam; it's almost as it was intentionally made to be as bad as they were capable of making it. Roll Eyes We don't need semi-experts like Vitalik Buterin, we need people like Pieter Wuille.

ETH is an unsustainable blockchain that is horribly suited for it's main use case and heavily overvalued, but it is not a scam.  The "semi-experts" like Vitalik Buterin are also the innovators that are bringing waves of adoption to cryptocurrencies by building things utilizing blockchain technology.  I would argue they are exactly what "we" need while those who create no value and try to diminish others building real blockchain projects can't be shown the door out of this community quickly enough.

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April 18, 2019, 02:36:14 AM
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"Bounties (Altcoins) childboard where is abundantly burried with types of proof of authentication"

It's bounties board what you expect, if not POA posts?

Regarding Ann thread spams, some projects have bounties which require user to comment on projects Ann thread. So there is that reason for spam.

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Somehow we need to persuade these members to become active in the forum again.
I really dislike how a few successful altcoins only used Bitcointalk to gain publicity, and abandoned the forum the moment their premined bag of altcoins made then very, very rich.
When the topic starter is gone for more than a year, I'd say it's time to lock the thread.

I suspect you missed out on investing in the Ethereum ICO as well?  One of my biggest regrets is not buying in under $1 and listening to the people calling eth a scam Sad

Most discussions has already moved to reddit.  Reddit has killed off most online forums and brought all discussion to its platform.

lol why? ETH is a pump and dump coin and all you needed to make profit from it was to participate in it during the pump and exit before the dump began to make the same amount of profit if not even bigger one!

as for reddit, i disagree. reddit is worse than this place specially when it comes to technical discussions. it is mainly used for hyping things up.

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Pumps and dumps are basic stuffs in crypto, even with bitcoin. So I don't think it is appropriate to call ETH as a scam because it get pumped and dumped over its history. Even with bitcoin, investors have to choose and make right decisions to enter and get out to earn profits. Huh
lol why? ETH is a pump and dump coin and all you needed to make profit from it was to participate in it during the pump and exit before the dump began to make the same amount of profit if not even bigger one!
There is no forum, no channels, like Steemit, Reddit that can replace bitcointalk forum as the biggest place to discuss about crypto, not only about bitcoin.
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as for reddit, i disagree. reddit is worse than this place specially when it comes to technical discussions. it is mainly used for hyping things up.

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~ Somehow we need to persuade these members to become active in the forum again.

Vitalik Buterin's project is so well known that it is enough for him to inform his supporters through his Twitter. I like many others believe that the reputation of his project was ruined by scammers with their ICO. But I do not think that Vitalik Buterin and his team will stop improving the Ethereum network.

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