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April 15, 2019, 10:55:33 PM
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It was this guy @yoloyet : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2547690

He replied on my thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132164.0) where I was offering $115 ADA for $105 to payoneer, but seems like he removed his post but here are screenshots of our conversation on telegram... If someone from administration can contact this guy because he had some issues before about scamming but everything ended nicely because it wasn't problem in him but in guy who ordered something from him (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5127291.0). So when I saw this topic I trusted him and I sent him my ADA and he promised to send money via payoneer as I wanted... Really don't know why I did that, we had a little chat on telegram and I started to trust this guy, so if moderation can do anything about this it would be amazing, thanks in advance...

proof of transaction: https://cardanoexplorer.com/tx/2143347c43d8f7461cebef5f7c60be36b39963bb07016eddd9e221ee0a4e17c0

here are screenshots of our conversation and proof that I've sent him my ADA but he scammed me at the end...

https://imgur.com/a/pp4vUZG

https://imgur.com/a/m8I4AKi

and from this point he started with messages like "who you are."

his telegram account is @ambosss and he introduced himself like guy from romania... I'm willing to remove this thread if he refunds me back my coins...
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April 15, 2019, 11:15:22 PM
Last edit: April 15, 2019, 11:26:16 PM by minerjones
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Did you use escrow?

EDIT: From the screenshots, escrow was not used.

OP is asking me to remove my feedback for a successful trade because of what happened to them.

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April 15, 2019, 11:21:19 PM
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Please proof the messages by forwarding to a trusted user.

Check if my username was @ambosss
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April 15, 2019, 11:22:33 PM
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You have a mistake on dealing with a newbie always read the sticky thread before you deal.

Do you know how to use the escrow? Always check this list of escrow here if you deal to lower rank members.

If you deal to lower rank member you should always use an escrow to avoid scam attempts like the scammer you linked above.

What I noticed from the scammer trust list he receives bad feedbacks but he receives trusted feedback from a trusted forum member here. You maybe need to contact him and bring him here to start conversation why he is still not sending the payment yet.

Edit: Looks like he's here.

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April 15, 2019, 11:23:32 PM
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Did you use escrow?

No we did not sadly... I thought guy was legit because he had been reported before for scamming and it turned out to be misunderstanding... as I said if he's willing to return coins I'm ready to remove this thread and we are fine..
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April 15, 2019, 11:25:46 PM
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Please proof the messages by forwarding to a trusted user.

Check if my username was @ambosss

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April 15, 2019, 11:30:58 PM
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Please proof the messages by forwarding to a trusted user.

Check if my username was @ambosss

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hopefuly someone from moderation can see deleted post and confirm that it's that username on telegram which you posted... here is thread so please someone check it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132164.0

as I said, if you want to refund me my coins I'm willing to delete this and everything will be fine...
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April 15, 2019, 11:42:08 PM
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there you go, same telegram username in your posts...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=2547690;sa=showPosts

https://imgur.com/a/gQcKDBA
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April 15, 2019, 11:52:52 PM
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You have a mistake on dealing with a newbie always read the sticky thread before you deal.

Do you know how to use the escrow? Always check this list of escrow here if you deal to lower rank members.

If you deal to lower rank member you should always use an escrow to avoid scam attempts like the scammer you linked above.

What I noticed from the scammer trust list he receives bad feedbacks but he receives trusted feedback from a trusted forum member here. You maybe need to contact him and bring him here to start conversation why he is still not sending the payment yet.

Edit: Looks like he's here.

so how these things usualy end up? he's here pretending that he's not, won't even reply to my messages? we wait for moderationg then what?
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April 16, 2019, 12:16:32 AM
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so how these things usualy end up? he's here pretending that he's not, won't even reply to my messages? we wait for moderationg then what?

I think the conversation from telegram or any 3rd party conversation is not enough to tell that he is scammer you must provide a proof that you ask the telegram account name here on bitcointalk like a screenshot from the conversation in your Bitcointalk messages(PM).

If you just input the screenshot from the telegram conversation without telling us how did you get his telegram account we can not say that he is scammer.

As what I look from the image the name you are dealing is yolo, not @ambosss look at the image again.

As I told you recently that dealing without escrow to lower rank member might be scam you should always use trusted escrow to deal with low-rank members here on the forum

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April 16, 2019, 12:22:02 AM
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so how these things usualy end up? he's here pretending that he's not, won't even reply to my messages? we wait for moderationg then what?

I think the conversation from telegram or any 3rd party conversation is not enough to tell that he is scammer you must provide a proof that you ask the telegram account name here on bitcointalk like a screenshot from the conversation in your Bitcointalk messages(PM).

If you just input the screenshot from the telegram conversation without telling us how did you get his telegram account we can not say that he is scammer.



don't know why would anyone think that I would come here and not tell the truth about this poor scammer soul? I have no interest in telling lies about this guy, he's scammer, I got scammed because I'm stupid for trusting him... Everyone can check thread which I made on markeplace where I sent the guy my ada but he had some problems with payoneer and we weren't able to complete transaction, and then this scammer came in... I have no reason to lie about this guy, this is conversation we made, I know I have no reputation but fact that he removed post from my thread can tell something to moderation... I hope they can see that he removed the post from my thread...
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April 16, 2019, 12:28:08 AM
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I can not believe I did not see your topic. If I had, I would have made you an offer. Sad

But it is imperative that an escrow is used in negotiations like this. There is nothing the forum can do to help you recover the money; As the payoneer does not offer the opportunity to dispute, it is very difficult to recover the money using their services. But it is still possible to lock the user account if you provide enough evidence. And make DT1 member negative the scam profile here in the forum.
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April 16, 2019, 12:32:47 AM
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I thought guy was legit because he had been reported before for scamming and it turned out to be misunderstanding.

This makes absolutely zero sense, in my head.
You noticed that the used was previously accused of scamming (A), but because this was incorrect it gave you more of a reason to trust them (B); Can you explain how you get from A to B?

When you're dealing with an account created 2-months ago, or dealing with any amount/item you'd be upset to lose, use an escrow.
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April 16, 2019, 12:36:21 AM
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I can not believe I did not see your topic. If I had, I would have made you an offer. Sad

But it is imperative that an escrow is used in negotiations like this. There is nothing the forum can do to help you recover the money; As the payoneer does not offer the opportunity to dispute, it is very difficult to recover the money using their services. But it is still possible to lock the user account if you provide enough evidence. And make DT1 member negative the scam profile here in the forum.

I think I'm done with crypto because of people like this one who scammed me... and this forum, why is there that thingy one hour one message, two messages a day? how am I supposed to have evidence if I have to contact people via telegram, skype etc... but oh well, I have learned a lesson, good thing it ain't much more, but I need that money desperately right now, would never offer to sell them If I didn't have to...

I thought guy was legit because he had been reported before for scamming and it turned out to be misunderstanding.

This makes absolutely zero sense, in my head.
You noticed that the used was previously accused of scamming (A), but because this was incorrect it gave you more of a reason to trust them (B); Can you explain how you get from A to B?

When you're dealing with an account created 2-months ago, or dealing with any amount/item you'd be upset to lose, use an escrow.

because he's been accused for scamming before, and it turned out to be misunderstanding between him and guy who made thread like I made right now... so I was thinking this guy is okay, don't know...
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April 16, 2019, 01:26:55 AM
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The capabilities to reason and logic here are dwindling by the post. You're going to be done with cryptocurrency because there is a minority of people that scam and have bad intentions. Does that same logic follow for being involved with USD, payoneer or whatever other money/currency you utilize currently? You made a bad decision and got taken advantage of; it happens to the best of us at one point or another. Allowing it to discourage you is not doing yourself any favors. I'd suggest becoming more well-equipped to prevent these situations.

There's restrictions on the forum activity of low-ranking members to combat the spam we've been increasingly experiencing throughout the years.

Being wrongfully accused of scamming in the past is no indication that you can be trusted. I don't know why that even needs to be said.
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April 16, 2019, 01:28:53 AM
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Please proof the messages by forwarding to a trusted user.

Check if my username was @ambosss


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April 16, 2019, 02:41:33 AM
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OP is asking me to remove my feedback for a successful trade because of what happened to them.
I don't think you should remove anyone by anyone's speech. But if you think that person is a scammer or can scam then you should remove it without anyone's speech. Even trust can be the opposite positive to negative.

Please proof the messages by forwarding to a trusted user.

Check if my username was @ambosss
I don't think op can proof it because telegram is the easiest way from where all chat information can be removed within a second.  And telegram username can be changed also at the same time a new account can be created on the previous username.
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April 16, 2019, 02:47:34 AM
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I think the conversation from telegram or any 3rd party conversation is not enough to tell that he is scammer you must provide a proof that you ask the telegram account name here on bitcointalk like a screenshot from the conversation in your Bitcointalk messages(PM).

If you just input the screenshot from the telegram conversation without telling us how did you get his telegram account we can not say that he is scammer.
don't know why would anyone think that I would come here and not tell the truth about this poor scammer soul? I have no interest in telling lies about this guy, he's scammer, I got scammed because I'm stupid for trusting him... Everyone can check thread which I made on markeplace where I sent the guy my ada but he had some problems with payoneer and we weren't able to complete transaction, and then this scammer came in... I have no reason to lie about this guy, this is conversation we made, I know I have no reputation but fact that he removed post from my thread can tell something to moderation... I hope they can see that he removed the post from my thread...

It isn't that we don't believe that you *think* you were scammed by "yoloyet" aka @ambosss... but it is actually quite simple for people on Telegram to create identical/similar "usernames" to commit scams by pretending to be other users.

So, we need to see some actual proof, other than your word, that definitively links yoloyet (Bitcointalk account) and the account that you were talking to on Telegram ("yolo"). Should you be able to show that the "yolo" account that you were talking to on Telegram is indeed @ambosss, there is sufficient proof in yoloyet's bitcointalk history to show that he is @ambosss.

Without this, all we have is some screenshots from someone called "yolo". Undecided

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April 16, 2019, 03:22:12 AM
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OP is asking me to remove my feedback for a successful trade because of what happened to them.
I don't think you should remove anyone by anyone's speech. But if you think that person is a scammer or can scam then you should remove it without anyone's speech. Even trust can be the opposite positive to negative.

Please proof the messages by forwarding to a trusted user.

Check if my username was @ambosss
I don't think op can proof it because telegram is the easiest way from where all chat information can be removed within a second.  And telegram username can be changed also at the same time a new account can be created on the previous username.


Can be deleted from one side, as it shows in the screenshots , some messages are old already and can't be deleted on both sides. At least him should have the conversation and can share it easily.

HCP - yes, it can be changed within a second, i always ask people to use minerjones as he is fast as always on telegram, not my fault he was played by someone.

Next time take care and use escrow

Solution, get in touch with someone that posted in this channel and forward the message where I gave you an ADA address. They can check if the message comes from me or not, whatever the username i had at that moment. it will show the current one.
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April 16, 2019, 03:30:03 AM
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Can be deleted from one side
You are not right at this point. On the new version of the telegram, the message can be deleted from both sides and of both person's message. I mean it is possible to delete all message from all sides within a second.
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April 16, 2019, 11:17:41 AM
Last edit: April 16, 2019, 11:29:07 AM by Pamoldar
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@yoloyet I remember last time when there was a scam accusation created against you and I tagged you. Then you resolved the issue with the accuser. I did have hesitation seeing your trust left by minerjones but I did not want to say anything thinking it was a good deal with minerjones and he can leave a feedback for it.

This time when another scam accusation against you and the accusers seems telling the truth, now I think it's enough. What shasan said is true. Telegram username can be changed, messages can be deleted. So if you do the trick with the accuser then there are no way to prove that it was you but looking at the conversations, I am convinced that OP is telling the truth.

And I am sorry, I can not give you the benefit of the doubt that it was not you. You can sell yourself several times with the feedback left by minerjones.


Anyway here is what red alarmed me. You are doing all this to gain trust. This is not okay for a newbie.

 

I am going to counter tag minerjones so that in future people can think twice before trading with you. I am sorry mate, it is what it is. This place has so many scammers and we need to protect the good members.

A newbie making deals here just to gain trust is not okay looking.



I think I'm done with crypto because of people like this one who scammed me... and this forum, why is there that thingy one hour one message, two messages a day? how am I supposed to have evidence if I have to contact people via telegram, skype etc... but oh well, I have learned a lesson, good thing it ain't much more, but I need that money desperately right now, would never offer to sell them If I didn't have to...

@OP, I am truly sorry that you lost your money. It's not anyone's fault but yours. You really don't need to give up crypto space. This place is full of good people. Trust in Bitcoin.

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April 16, 2019, 11:33:02 AM
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I receive daily messages, with scammer, even if i never spoke with. For me it's normal. I will leave selling here and move to different channels.

Too much hate and shits arround
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April 16, 2019, 11:40:18 AM
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I receive daily messages, with scammer, even if i never spoke with. For me it's normal. I will leave selling here and move to different channels.

Too much hate and shits arround
If you leave this account then it will be not lost of you or it will be not a loss for the community but OP lost his/her ADA. You can recreate another account within few seconds and bitcoin does not need email verification which can give you extra chance and you can start your business once again.

This place is full of good people.
Are you serious? All the people on this forum is good?
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I receive daily messages, with scammer, even if i never spoke with. For me it's normal. I will leave selling here and move to different channels.

Too much hate and shits arround
If you leave this account then it will be not lost of you or it will be not a loss for the community but OP lost his/her ADA. You can recreate another account within few seconds and bitcoin does not need email verification which can give you extra chance and you can start your business once again.

This place is full of good people.
Are you serious? All the people on this forum is good?


It is not fair, doing legit business, and you get accused with no proof. It ain't my fault that this guy was not cautious
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April 16, 2019, 11:49:54 AM
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It is not fair, doing legit business, and you get accused with no proof. It ain't my fault that this guy was not cautious
OP did a mistake and it happened as OP just created his/her account and made transaction out of bitcointalk where all evidence can be deleted and it is possible to create another telegram id with the previous username and the previous username can be changed. So, no proof can work. I am not a scam detector but as further as I can say there is mostly chance the scam happened by you and rest may happen by a likeness of your account. As you are a newbie I do not think anyone will try to scam by the likeness of your name. I have seen a lot of telegram users who tried to scam by using reputed users name. EG: Minerjones, ognasty and many more. But all time scammer failed as I never made a final decision on telegram. I always try to keep as many evidence as possible. I had also told OP that there is a lot of scammers and also told to trade wisely.
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It is not fair, doing legit business, and you get accused with no proof. It ain't my fault that this guy was not cautious
OP did a mistake and it happened as OP just created his/her account and made transaction out of bitcointalk where all evidence can be deleted and it is possible to create another telegram id with the previous username and the previous username can be changed. So, no proof can work. I am not a scam detector but as further as I can say there is mostly chance the scam happened by you and rest may happen by a likeness of your account. As you are a newbie I do not think anyone will try to scam by the likeness of your name. I have seen a lot of telegram users who tried to scam by using reputed users name. EG: Minerjones, ognasty and many more. But all time scammer failed as I never made a final decision on telegram. I always try to keep as many evidence as possible. I had also told OP that there is a lot of scammers and also told to trade wisely.

All evidences can be deleted? ... It ain't my fault he is a piece of shit accusing me for wrong doing
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April 16, 2019, 11:53:29 AM
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All evidences can be deleted?
Yes, all evidence from telegram can be deleted. If you don't believe then send me a message on telegram and see how I delete all message without any help from you. I had a topic regarding telegram message deletion on: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5129083
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April 16, 2019, 12:11:51 PM
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I receive daily messages, with scammer, even if i never spoke with. For me it's normal. I will leave selling here and move to different channels.

Too much hate and shits arround
If you leave this account then it will be not lost of you or it will be not a loss for the community but OP lost his/her ADA. You can recreate another account within few seconds and bitcoin does not need email verification which can give you extra chance and you can start your business once again.

This place is full of good people.
Are you serious? All the people on this forum is good?


It is not fair, doing legit business, and you get accused with no proof. It ain't my fault that this guy was not cautious

so you took advantage of me for not be cautious? Let's sort this out like you did last time, send back me my ADA and I will ask @Pamoldar to remove feedback he gave to you, and you continue doing whatever you were doing on this forum? and all of us will be happy

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5127291.msg50437713#msg50437713
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April 16, 2019, 01:55:52 PM
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It is not fair, doing legit business, and you get accused with no proof. It ain't my fault that this guy was not cautious
OP did a mistake and it happened as OP just created his/her account and made transaction out of bitcointalk where all evidence can be deleted and it is possible to create another telegram id with the previous username and the previous username can be changed. So, no proof can work. I am not a scam detector but as further as I can say there is mostly chance the scam happened by you and rest may happen by a likeness of your account. As you are a newbie I do not think anyone will try to scam by the likeness of your name. I have seen a lot of telegram users who tried to scam by using reputed users name. EG: Minerjones, ognasty and many more. But all time scammer failed as I never made a final decision on telegram. I always try to keep as many evidence as possible. I had also told OP that there is a lot of scammers and also told to trade wisely.

All evidences can be deleted? ... It ain't my fault he is a piece of shit accusing me for wrong doing
Mate you got caught red handed.

Check this:

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I can do the trade. Let me know if you're fine with 100$ payoneer.

telegram: @ambosss

I scraped it from recent posts. LoyceV does the same, he can probably confirm. Post ID 50619114.

I am glad that my gut feeling was right.

There are more incoming against you.

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I think I'm done with crypto because of people like this one who scammed me...
Too bad, you look like a real user, even though you learned a $100 lesson now. Some people pay a lot more for the same lesson.

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why is there that thingy one hour one message, two messages a day? how am I supposed to have evidence
Once you have earned more Activity, you can send much more PMs per day. Unfortunately, some real users have to suffer from restrictions that were made to restrict spammers or even spam bots.

I'm not convinced by the evidence (yet). How did you connect to the Telegram user? This is what was posted:
Here is the post that's been deleted:

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I can do the trade. Let me know if you're fine with 100$ payoneer.

telegram: @ambosss
Your screenshots show a different name, that should have set off alarm bells.


I am glad that my gut feeling was right.
What am I missing? I see different usernames on the screenshots.

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I am glad that my gut feeling was right.
What am I missing? I see different usernames on the screenshots.
You can have different screen name. It does not have to be your username.

However check this:
Please proof the messages by forwarding to a trusted user.

Check if my username was @ambosss
yoloyet also confirmed it.


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However check this:
Please proof the messages by forwarding to a trusted user.

Check if my username was @ambosss
yoloyet also confirmed it.
I interpreted this as yoloyet asking to check it, I don't think he meant to confirm @ambosss was the one chatting. Yoloyet has used that username in many other posts, so that name isn't a secret.
I'm not that familiar with Telegram, but changing usernames looks like a terrible feature when you want to collect any evidence.

I'm also curious why yoloyet deleted his post.

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I'm also curious why yoloyet deleted his post.
I am convinced now that he thought he wiped out everything but he did not realise that there was a log which bought by suchmoon in the forum post that he deleted.

One of his victim messaged me few minutes ago with some other deal which he scammed. He asked if he is okay to create scam accusation and I said to create it. So, another one is coming.

This guy was trying to build reputation. Got the positive trust from minerjones (which I see removed now) and was using it to scam people.

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I'm not that familiar with Telegram, but changing usernames looks like a terrible feature when you want to collect any evidence.
It is terrible and scammers are taking advantages from it.

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April 16, 2019, 02:27:12 PM
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However check this:
Please proof the messages by forwarding to a trusted user.

Check if my username was @ambosss
yoloyet also confirmed it.
I interpreted this as yoloyet asking to check it, I don't think he meant to confirm @ambosss was the one chatting. Yoloyet has used that username in many other posts, so that name isn't a secret.
I'm not that familiar with Telegram, but changing usernames looks like a terrible feature when you want to collect any evidence.

I'm also curious why yoloyet deleted his post.

Why would he repeatedly ask about the username if he actually initiated contact by posting in the thread. Wouldn't it go like this:

yoloyet posts his id @ambosss in the thread
COBNETCKNN contacts @ambosss (how would COBNETCKNN contact a different person here? a typo and then some random person happens to be a scammer?)

On the other hand, if yoloyet had successfully wiped the evidence from the thread, he can claim that an impersonator first contacted COBNETCKNN and he (yoloyet) knows nothing about it.

And if may express my opinion that nobody asked for: conducting business with an unknown/untrusted person via communication tool that is specifically designed to wipe out the conversation at will by either party - immensely stupid.

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April 16, 2019, 02:29:03 PM
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his telegram account is @ambosss

Do you have any screenshot of the username on telegram?

There is still lack of prove here as nothing yet confirms that the person which scamed you had the username @ambosss on telegram.



It is terrible and scammers are taking advantages from it.

But it is possible to confirm the username, if he forwards the messages on telegram to some trusted member here and if they link to the same username.
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April 16, 2019, 02:32:57 PM
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Do you have any screenshot of the username on telegram?
Username can be changed and a new account can be created with an old username. So, do you think the previous username can be seen on the screenshot if already changed that?

But it is possible to confirm the username, if he forwards the messages on telegram to some trusted member here
I think message already deleted if not then op may forward to a trusted person.
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There is a screenshot showing yolo == @ambosss here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132508

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April 16, 2019, 03:02:34 PM
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I think I'm done with crypto because of people like this one who scammed me...
Too bad, you look like a real user, even though you learned a $100 lesson now. Some people pay a lot more for the same lesson.

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why is there that thingy one hour one message, two messages a day? how am I supposed to have evidence
Once you have earned more Activity, you can send much more PMs per day. Unfortunately, some real users have to suffer from restrictions that were made to restrict spammers or even spam bots.

I'm not convinced by the evidence (yet). How did you connect to the Telegram user? This is what was posted:
Here is the post that's been deleted:

Quote
I can do the trade. Let me know if you're fine with 100$ payoneer.

telegram: @ambosss
Your screenshots show a different name, that should have set off alarm bells.


I am glad that my gut feeling was right.
What am I missing? I see different usernames on the screenshots.

here is his profile on telegram

https://imgur.com/a/Ki3mt6n

I'm glad that @Pamoldar recovered deleted message on my thread which is proof that it's him, why would he delete it then if he had nothing to do with scamming? He deleted post on thread along all messages on telegram after I sent him ADA...
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April 16, 2019, 08:55:38 PM
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Here is the post that's been deleted:

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I can do the trade. Let me know if you're fine with 100$ payoneer.

telegram: @ambosss

I scraped it from recent posts. LoyceV does the same, he can probably confirm. Post ID 50619114.
There is a screenshot showing yolo == @ambosss here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132508

I think I've seen enough... yoloyet has been tagged and tag will remain unless all funds are returned.

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Finally this guy tagged. Clear scammer for two months around forum by selling all these KYC accounts and everything anyone asks, lol.

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