Trust: The New Rank requirement?

[Mpamaegbu]

I foresee a situation where the Trust score will begin to serve as the new requirement for members to rank up. Honestly, Theymos could be harbouring this thought. It's over a year now since the sMerit system was instituted and his silence so far in creating another level after the "Legendary" rank portends something, I should think. What do you guys think?

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[TheBeardedBaby]

I foresee a situation where the Trust score will begin to serve as the new requirement for members to rank up. Honestly, Theymos could be harbouring this thought. It's over a year now since the sMerit system was instituted and his silence so far in creating another level after the "Legendary" rank portends something, I should think. What do you guys think?

I don't think so, if you are talking about the feedback people leave, nobody will force you to trade with someone in order to rank up.
If you talking about having a custom trust list in order to rank up. Could be a possibility but I don't think this will be implemented either.
I don't think we should involve trust in the ranking system at all.

[hacker1001101001]

I foresee a situation where the Trust score will begin to serve as the new requirement for members to rank up.

I don't think this will happen as theymos has designed the merit system for the sole purpose of putting knowledge persons to higher rank and not for the trust farmers.

It's over a year now since the sMerit system was instituted and his silence so far in creating another level after the "Legendary" rank portends something, I should think. What do you guys think?

He is not silent basically and is actively working on twicking the merit system in the best possible way. The recent DT criteria update is one of his further step and effort.

Making trust as a Ranking requirement is not a decent solution I think.

[Steamtyme]

The trust score should never be used as a metric for ranking up, that's not what it's designed for in any case. theymos has said they are not interested in putting up barriers to people being able to rank up this would be just that to many accounts.

Not to mention that when the Trust system changes were introduced he expressed his disappointment in the old system. So I don't see it having ever been given consideration, even now as it's still experimental in itself.

[samcrypto]

That's actually a good idea, to create a new rank after the LEGENDARY, and the TRUST requirement should only be applicable to them.
So its just like the rankings on DOTA2.

• Legendary
• Ancient
• Divine
• Immortal

Well, this is just an example of ranking names but I know if ever Theymos can think for a better name of the rankings.

[DdmrDdmr]

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Trust is controversial enough as it is, without it being used in the ranking-up system. Just imagine the countless accusations that we would see about people stopped from ranking due to collusion/reprisal/you name it. Besides, conceptually the two features have nothing in common, so intersecting them in the ranking-up process would be like forcing marriage of two acquainted but incompatible characters.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I think there could possibly be a new rank, something like this -

Activity: 2000
Merit: 2000

I don’t think trust rating should have anything to do with it though.

[El duderino_]

I think there could possibly be a new rank, something like this -

Activity: 2000
Merit: 2000

I don’t think trust rating should have anything to do with it though.

Sssjjj LFC, activity 2000  

[erikalui]

It can't be possible right now as unlike merits, we have to take into account negative trust feedback. If a user gets positive trust, he ranks up so if he gets negative trust, he'll rank down? That's really weird.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

I was onces advocating for some challenges involving new rank after legendary status but after reading some reply and considering the time frame it takes even a quality posters to achieve that status I don't think Introducing a new rank will be fair for them (newly rank-up user). The merit system have stabilize everything only deserving members can now achieve that status.

Concerning OP's prediction, I don't think that'll even be considered as an option. The trust system is already filled with drama introducing it into the rank-up system will just make the case worst. We don't want another merit sorry trust broke my life trend.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I think there could possibly be a new rank, something like this -

Activity: 2000
Merit: 2000

I don’t think trust rating should have anything to do with it though.

Sssjjj LFC, activity 2000  

LOL!

Just because the Legendary Rank was somewhere between 750 or 780 & 1030. The Merit required to become Legendary 1000 so 2000 for both is double. That seems about right?

[El duderino_]

I think there could possibly be a new rank, something like this -

Activity: 2000
Merit: 2000

I don’t think trust rating should have anything to do with it though.

Sssjjj LFC, activity 2000  

LOL!

Just because the Legendary Rank was somewhere between 750 or 780 & 1030. The Merit required to become Legendary 1000 so 2000 for both is double. That seems about right?

Dammit my activity is only 658 but then again i'm only here from 2017 so of-course your right, you are here a long time already talking BTC and everything around it, trying to provide people this healthy space to talk and speak free mind.... so 2000 and 2000 is very very legit.

But damn the Long way I need to go "but I don't mind its just another HODL"

[Pmalek]

Trust and knowledge of bitcoin and the ability to create quality posts are not correlated in any way.
You can know everything there is to know about bitcoin and have 3000 merits but that doesn't necessarily mean that you must have or will have positive trust.
Likewise, you can have negative trust but still be very knowledgeable on different topic and that is why trust and rank requirement (merits+activity) shouldn't be mixed.   

[TMAN]

Trust and knowledge of bitcoin and the ability to create quality posts are not correlated in any way.
You can know everything there is to know about bitcoin and have 3000 merits but that doesn't necessarily mean that you must have or will have positive trust.
Likewise, you can have negative trust but still be very knowledgeable on different topic and that is why trust and rank requirement (merits+activity) shouldn't be mixed.   

QS is a prime example of this, the bloke knows his shit but his trust score is fucked. Him and I don’t get on but his level of knowledge is admirable.

[logfiles]

I foresee a situation where the Trust score will begin to serve as the new requirement for members to rank up.

I don't think it will ever happen.
Not all members here care about trust or  do things that require trust such as trading.
Some of them just come to discuss about different topics or help other members. so what happens to them?

[lobcmt2]

That's actually a good idea, to create a new rank after the LEGENDARY, and the TRUST requirement should only be applicable to them.
So its just like the rankings on DOTA2.

• Legendary
• Ancient
• Divine
• Immortal

Well, this is just an example of ranking names but I know if ever Theymos can think for a better name of the rankings.

It is too complicated, I don't think theymos has interests with it, and me too.
Over time, trust system and rank system are different and they also have difference roles in the forum ,since their beginnings. I don't see overlaps between them, and don't think the forum should adjust them to have such complex overlaps.
Personally, only one new rank above Legendary is enough. If more and more ranks added over time, the forum will turn into almost same with what we can see in games. Ranks and levels of games' characters added overtime, and years later become overload. But, they are games, and gaming companies need such overload to get income. The forum is totally different, so I don't think theymos will add many more ranks
If new ranks added, I suggested to add only one more rank, like Maharishi.
To get that rank, users have to collect 4000 merits in minimum. It will take even outstanding users 4 to 5 years to hit that rank. It also means that we only should think of a next new rank 10 years later.

[LoyceV]

I think there could possibly be a new rank, something like this -

Activity: 2000
Merit: 2000

Make it a hybrid: Merit + Activity > 4000: Legend. And yes, I choose this so that I qualify
Seriously though: 2000+ Activity and Merit would be good for a new rank.

[ryap12]

That's actually a good idea, to create a new rank after the LEGENDARY, and the TRUST requirement should only be applicable to them.
So its just like the rankings on DOTA2.

• Legendary
• Ancient
• Divine
• Immortal

Well, this is just an example of ranking names but I know if ever Theymos can think for a better name of the rankings.

This is just to much and probably they will not spend too much time working on new ranks. I mean getting into legendary is already difficult for those who just signed-up. I know it is fun to think about it and it's going to be a challenge for those who ranked top already.

[darklus123]

I also don't think so and if so I woudn't agree with it. Being untrustworthy can't define how good you make quality post or being neutral doesn't you can't contribute good quality post.

Trust is on a different category and having a trust alone can already be a trademark. Plus this can be very subjective , you can't force anyone to trust you same as you do to them.

Plus currently I found trust system quite complicated in which not everyone can understand.

Edit: We can't simply relate two equal level of system. The ranking system was created having the same level of trust system. Therefore whatever would be your trust score will not affect your ranking system. Unlike merit system in which its main purpose why it was created is to become a requirement for the ranking system.


Plus all the trust dramas that you will see in which you can't really tell whos right. Where are you going to put QS for example on the ranking system if this becomes a requirement? Even tho this user has a lot of issues. We can somehow consider him/her atleast giving some good informations

[Mpamaegbu]

Seriously though: 2000+ Activity and Merit would be good for a new rank.

I guess apart from users Theymos and Satoshi, you will be the first to hit that new rank.

Your Merit pours...