Thailand files complaint against Bitcoin Seasteader

[TECSHARE]

For a Buddhist country Thailand seem to be quite enthusiastic to slap the death penalty on various offenses. Maybe next time they'll explain it as "assisted reincarnation".

just need signs at every point of entry thats says "Welcome to Thailand. We may kill you for any reason at any time. Enjoy your stay."

[merchantofzeny]

LOL, this is hilarious!

The BTC community should definitely keep on mentioning Thailand on social media. Like, make it a meme. Hit them where it hurts the most. Make tourists afraid of going there.

I'm bookmarking that image link.

[TheCoinGrabber]

For a Buddhist country Thailand seem to be quite enthusiastic to slap the death penalty on various offenses. Maybe next time they'll explain it as "assisted reincarnation".

just need signs at every point of entry thats says "Welcome to Thailand. We may kill you for any reason at any time. Enjoy your stay."

We should make that our profile pic on social media. Sooner or later people would come across it, do a Google search and then say "WTF was I thinking wanting to go to Thailand?!"

[TECSHARE]

This is a good sign. I am curious why Elwar would post at all and not make some kind of statement.

[Quickseller]

This is a good sign. I am curious why Elwar would post at all and not make some kind of statement.

I think he probably posted that bump because CSW recently got the bitcoin white paper copyrighted in the US.

I am not sure where he is now, but I presume he won’t give an update until he believes he is in a country that will not extradite him back to Thailand.

[TECSHARE]

This is a good sign. I am curious why Elwar would post at all and not make some kind of statement.

I think he probably posted that bump because CSW recently got the bitcoin white paper copyrighted in the US.

I am not sure where he is now, but I presume he won’t give an update until he believes he is in a country that will not extradite him back to Thailand.

That is a reasonable assumption. I would think that he would play it safe and not even log in again until he is though. If he is not in a safe place yet logging in or posting is probably not a good idea.

[Quickseller]

This is a good sign. I am curious why Elwar would post at all and not make some kind of statement.

I think he probably posted that bump because CSW recently got the bitcoin white paper copyrighted in the US.

I am not sure where he is now, but I presume he won’t give an update until he believes he is in a country that will not extradite him back to Thailand.

That is a reasonable assumption. I would think that he would play it safe and not even log in again until he is though. If he is not in a safe place yet logging in or posting is probably not a good idea.

I checked his Facebook and it is pretty locked down privacy wise, more so than it was previously when he was making the news and some number of status updates regarding his safety could be seen.

I don't think theymos is going to give up location/IP information about Elwar easily, and could put up somewhat of a public fight if a court tried to force him to do so. I agree that accessing social media is not a good idea when on the "run" from a government that wants to harm you.

[TECSHARE]

"Live Free at Sea"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDYO4_845Is

[BADecker]

It's time to move to sea. Elwar has showed us that the nations don't like the idea. But the oceans are large. We don't have to sit a mere 13 or 14 miles off the shore of some nation. There's lots of room out there.

[iluvbitcoins]

It's time to move to sea. Elwar has showed us that the nations don't like the idea. But the oceans are large. We don't have to sit a mere 13 or 14 miles off the shore of some nation. There's lots of room out there.

It ain't really easy to move that far away, you'd have to be in international waters thousands of miles from land and you'd have to be self-sufficient to survive. That's why they usually make the seastads near other countries, but it always backfires like this Even if outside of their zone..

[franky1]

"Live Free at Sea"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDYO4_845Is

the interview with the sea stead institutes joe quirk was don AFTER the legal trouble elwar got into. so lessons should have been learned. but instead Joe was still saying 'move 12 miles out to sea' (facepalm)

lesson: if you make a 'nation' 12 miles from a mainland. guess what your 'nations' 12 mile inclusion zone overlaps the mainlands 12mile inclusion zone

international /               \    international
__waters___|____o____|_____waters_                         
                   \ seastead /
mainland       \ waters /     mainland
waters                                     waters
                    mainland

solution: stop advising build at 12 miles offshore and instead advise 25miles (1m spare buffer to avoid questioning of over lap

[ðºÞæ]

"Live Free at Sea"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDYO4_845Is

the interview with the sea stead institutes joe quirk was don AFTER the legal trouble elwar got into. so lessons should have been learned. but instead Joe was still saying 'move 12 miles out to sea' (facepalm)

lesson: if you make a 'nation' 12 miles from a mainland. guess what your 'nations' 12 mile inclusion zone overlaps the mainlands 12mile inclusion zone

international /               \    international
__waters___|____o____|_____waters_                         
                   \ seastead /
mainland       \ waters /     mainland
waters                                     waters
                    mainland

solution: stop advising build at 12 miles offshore and instead advise 25miles (1m spare buffer to avoid questioning of over lap

Wrong, first is 12 nautical miles not miles, second not every nation has the 12 NM territorial border. If you can only patrol some yards and deceit to have the territorial border at a few yards out then the total is 12NM and some yards.

[franky1]

"Live Free at Sea"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDYO4_845Is

the interview with the sea stead institutes joe quirk was don AFTER the legal trouble elwar got into. so lessons should have been learned. but instead Joe was still saying 'move 12 miles out to sea' (facepalm)

lesson: if you make a 'nation' 12 miles from a mainland. guess what your 'nations' 12 mile inclusion zone overlaps the mainlands 12mile inclusion zone

international /               \    international
__waters___|____o____|_____waters_                          
                   \ seastead /
mainland       \ waters /     mainland
waters                                     waters
                    mainland

solution: stop advising build at 12 miles offshore and instead advise 25miles (1m spare buffer to avoid questioning of over lap

Wrong, first is 12 nautical miles not miles, second not every nation has the 12 NM territorial border. If you can only patrol some yards and deceit to have the territorial border at a few yards out then the total is 12NM and some yards.

firstly, if you couldnt tell by my dumbing down of the language and also having to draw a picture to illustrate it.. then you obviously didnt tell i was dumbing it down and not trying to get legal/techo jargony
oh and your knit pick should have picked up on the fact that i dumbed down the description to be called 'inclusion zone' which also is not the legal/techno word for it
i wasnt trying to be jargon specific. i was just trying to illustrate a point so simply that even a dumb person can understand
point being build 25 not 12 thus not overlap and also a 1 buffer inbetween to avoid debate over whether lines get crossed

[e-seller.net]

Authoritarian assertion it seems

[franky1]

Authoritarian assertion it seems

authoritarian, capitalism, socialism,communism.. they all would have the same 12 mile border

to word it another way
if elwar did have his vacation home(yea he never 'lived there' all the time) further out to sea to not cause overlap. he could the clearly proclaim his own boundary and make it a violation if others crossed his path. thus putting the shoe on the other foot

but yea it still wont be peace and harmony. because even parking a russian submarine 25 miles away from US borders would make trump crap his pants and want to do something like constantly survey the area.

also you would start to find elwar getting stopped and 'customs checked' every time he tries to come to shore to ensure he isnt bringing in anything illicit or taking out anything that could be used against thailand.

so normally better to get some kind of peace agreement sorted early on

[BADecker]

It's time to move to sea. Elwar has showed us that the nations don't like the idea. But the oceans are large. We don't have to sit a mere 13 or 14 miles off the shore of some nation. There's lots of room out there.

It ain't really easy to move that far away, you'd have to be in international waters thousands of miles from land and you'd have to be self-sufficient to survive. That's why they usually make the seastads near other countries, but it always backfires like this Even if outside of their zone..

Of course, it's not exactly easy. However, all major nations have technically, legally agreed that beyond 12 nautical miles off their shores is international waters. There are many nations that hold as much as 200 nm as business waters for their nation, even though it is technically international waters. Two hundred miles out isn't all that far regarding how far international waters go. There are loads of underwater shelves in the Pacific Ocean that are less than 100 meters deep - shallow enough for a seastead - and outside of even the business waters of all nations.

If Elwar had doubled the 12 nm, and planted his seastead 25 nm out, he might have been safe. But safety has to do with keeping a low profile. Elwar was advertising. If Thailand hadn't bothered him, it might not have been long before some pirates would have checked him out just to see.

[iluvbitcoins]

It's time to move to sea. Elwar has showed us that the nations don't like the idea. But the oceans are large. We don't have to sit a mere 13 or 14 miles off the shore of some nation. There's lots of room out there.

It ain't really easy to move that far away, you'd have to be in international waters thousands of miles from land and you'd have to be self-sufficient to survive. That's why they usually make the seastads near other countries, but it always backfires like this Even if outside of their zone..

Of course, it's not exactly easy. However, all major nations have technically, legally agreed that beyond 12 nautical miles off their shores is international waters. There are many nations that hold as much as 200 nm as business waters for their nation, even though it is technically international waters. Two hundred miles out isn't all that far regarding how far international waters go. There are loads of underwater shelves in the Pacific Ocean that are less than 100 meters deep - shallow enough for a seastead - and outside of even the business waters of all nations.

If Elwar had doubled the 12 nm, and planted his seastead 25 nm out, he might have been safe. But safety has to do with keeping a low profile. Elwar was advertising. If Thailand hadn't bothered him, it might not have been long before some pirates would have checked him out just to see.

They keyword is might have been  
I'd love to see a new sovereign nation built this way, but considering past efforts, I'm pessimistic about someone succeeding anywhere close to another nation. Sealand is the only successive effort that I know of.

[BADecker]

It's time to move to sea. Elwar has showed us that the nations don't like the idea. But the oceans are large. We don't have to sit a mere 13 or 14 miles off the shore of some nation. There's lots of room out there.

It ain't really easy to move that far away, you'd have to be in international waters thousands of miles from land and you'd have to be self-sufficient to survive. That's why they usually make the seastads near other countries, but it always backfires like this Even if outside of their zone..

Of course, it's not exactly easy. However, all major nations have technically, legally agreed that beyond 12 nautical miles off their shores is international waters. There are many nations that hold as much as 200 nm as business waters for their nation, even though it is technically international waters. Two hundred miles out isn't all that far regarding how far international waters go. There are loads of underwater shelves in the Pacific Ocean that are less than 100 meters deep - shallow enough for a seastead - and outside of even the business waters of all nations.

If Elwar had doubled the 12 nm, and planted his seastead 25 nm out, he might have been safe. But safety has to do with keeping a low profile. Elwar was advertising. If Thailand hadn't bothered him, it might not have been long before some pirates would have checked him out just to see.

They keyword is might have been  
I'd love to see a new sovereign nation built this way, but considering past efforts, I'm pessimistic about someone succeeding anywhere close to another nation. Sealand is the only successive effort that I know of.

The other side of this is that there are many boats out there that barely ever come in to land. In other words, seasteading is being done to some extent already.

The difference with places like Sealand is that they are trying to form a government that isn't really attractive to people. The few that like it will join.

The kind of seastead promoted by the Seastead Institute - https://www.seasteading.org/ - doesn't necessarily need to remain in one place like Sealand. So, it's early enough that the "seastead" term hasn't been settled completely.

People that want this kind of life are doing it already. The next step for some of them might be to form a government of sorts, out on the high seas.

[franky1]

saland dosnt have the 'land' space to house enough people to form a diverse government. they just want to sell 'citizenships' yt dont have the room to legally let the amount of citizens they want to membership up actually reside.
and they dont intend to expand the square footage of space available.

the elwar project is more about each pod has its own rules and it moves to area's where other pod communities share similar morals/rules that are acceptable to each other.
thus a consensus government forms between the different 'pod people' wiithout central government as such
(more like a senate without a president. or a parliament without a primeminister)

however elwar himself was more of a promoter for money grabs and only used his pod as a demo for promotion and occassional vacation/fishing spot. rather than a working 24/7/365 home

many issues with going too far away EG 100's of miles out to sea is
distance from resupplies
deeper waters requiring stronger longer spires to sit on = more cost and engineering and work
wilder waters with bigger waves

sp its not as simple as just throwing a dart at an international ocean map and saying 'that will be fine' alot more has to go into it
and also elwars pod was never big enough to have groundspace to grow own food on rook or have enough solar panels for normal living electric needs. and to make a larger platform comes with more costs
in short the further away from mainland the more costly it gets

[BADecker]

and also elwars pod was never big enough to have groundspace to grow own food on rook or have enough solar panels for normal living electric needs. and to make a larger platform comes with more costs
in short the further away from mainland the more costly it gets

Sounds like you need to re-watch "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (1954)" - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046672/.