Buy the DIP, and HODL!

[MusaPk]

It is pretty doubtful that investing into bitcoin as aggressively as possible, even with investing a million dollars right now is going to get you close to the same levels of bitcoin that the ones who are better off than hypothetical 1 and 2 are facing.. so right now a million dollars is going to get you right around 23.5 BTC... so it could be a bit of a challenge to catch up to any of those in hypothetical 1 and 2 and even though there are abilities to get close to those in hypotheticals 3 through 5,.. but with way more upfront capital invested..

But even someone investing $100k right now into bitcoin will have had to struggle a lot more than the person in hypothetical 6, since the one in hypothetical 6 ONLY had to put $26k into his bitcoin investment over the past 5 years, and maybe the person in hypothetical 6 might not have had been in a position to invest more aggressively than the $100 per week that he was able to invest over the past 5 years.... so such a person would never be able to come up with $100k to invest into bitcoin even though his current BTC stash is getting to those levels of valuation...and he continues to buy $100 per week and to consider ways to increase his investment amount by increasing his income and/or reducing his expenses.

That's a valid argument that aggressively investment (putting huge money as Lump Sum) might not be a good idea. Rather the best option is to invest in continuous manner no matter how much money you have.  
As you said investing million dollar as Lump sum right now will give you around 23 bitcoin and that is still far from person in Hypo-3. In hypo-3, we are investing 60$ into Bitcoin every week for ten years and now the total bitcoins are 27 and there net worth is 1 million USD.
What we can deduce is that even if you dont have million or 100k dollars funds then you can still take better osition provided you are willing to invest small amount in periodic manner (DCA).



And a Happy New Year to everyone on this thread.

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[JayJuanGee]

Why would you limit it to 4 years?  Even if you increase your investment to $50 per month that would be right around $600 per year and $2,400 in 4 years.  It does not seem to be a place to be stopping.  And let's say you extent that to 20 years, and then you have right around $12k invested, so now you might start to be getting somewhere in the event that your disposable income does not go up.. but there can be ongoing adding of value and then at some point it might start to become more clear if you should be changing your strategy or at what point you might be getting to be out of accumulation phase and into either maintenance stage or liquidation stage.. and surely from my own thinking it does not seem clear to transition from accumulation stage to liquidation stage without first going through a period of maintenance stage... but hey, each of us have our ways of thinking about these kinds of bitcoin investment related matters.

Actually I earn about 180 dollars per month doing masonry work. I put aside a day's worth of my paycheck at the end of this work week to invest in Bitcoin and my wife puts about $25 of my monthly income into insurance. We have done this insurance for about 10 years.Where we have to deposit 25 dollars amount money every month.

JayJuanGee After reading the post you quoted me I explained to my wife that if we invest the money in the insurance we are collecting into bitcoins our bitcoins will increase. We will even get more money if we invest in bitcoins than if we put money in insurance.

My wife is literate which didn't take me long to convince her but she already had a little idea about cryptocurrencies and even Bitcoin. But he didn't understand well about bitcoin investment after I explained him well he asked me to invest that amount in bitcoin instead of saving the money in insurance. We have decided to start our new bitcoin investment journey from next month i.e. January and invest $45 per month in bitcoins and its duration will be ten years. In future we have decided to increase the amount of investment but we will try to increase it according to the cost of our family.

Of course there are no guarantees, but it seems that with the level of your current income, your expected income (perhaps questioning if you are going to be able to increase your income), and your timeline, you are hoping that your BTC investment will end up outperforming other possible places that you could put the money, including the insurance plan. 

And, yeah, as Odohu mentioned, insurance is like an emergency fund, and you may well not be in a good position to self-insure, if that were to happen to make up for the amount that you contribute versus any kind of need to use the insurance for an unforseen event.

Of course, many of us who are active in this thread and who have some convictions about bitcoin believe that we should try to be as aggressive as we are able to be in regards to our bitcoin investment, but not so aggressive that we end up not being able to cover our monthly expenses and/or to have an emergency fund (whether your insurance fits into what should be your emergency fund might well be the case so your not investing into insurance may well end on the side of being overly aggressive and even reckless) so that we do not have to sell any BTC during our investment period.. and so after 10 years of investing you can reassess, but you also may be able to reassess if any of your conditions significantly/materially change within the 9 investment factors that I describe in another one of my posts.

It is pretty doubtful that investing into bitcoin as aggressively as possible, even with investing a million dollars right now is going to get you close to the same levels of bitcoin that the ones who are better off than hypothetical 1 and 2 are facing.. so right now a million dollars is going to get you right around 23.5 BTC... so it could be a bit of a challenge to catch up to any of those in hypothetical 1 and 2 and even though there are abilities to get close to those in hypotheticals 3 through 5,.. but with way more upfront capital invested..

But even someone investing $100k right now into bitcoin will have had to struggle a lot more than the person in hypothetical 6, since the one in hypothetical 6 ONLY had to put $26k into his bitcoin investment over the past 5 years, and maybe the person in hypothetical 6 might not have had been in a position to invest more aggressively than the $100 per week that he was able to invest over the past 5 years.... so such a person would never be able to come up with $100k to invest into bitcoin even though his current BTC stash is getting to those levels of valuation...and he continues to buy $100 per week and to consider ways to increase his investment amount by increasing his income and/or reducing his expenses.

That's a valid argument that aggressively investment (putting huge money as Lump Sum) might not be a good idea. Rather the best option is to invest in continuous manner no matter how much money you have.

I surely am not arguing against lump sum investing, and it works pretty damned well when you can do it and if the price does not end up moving against you (meaning down), but if you do lump sum invest and the price moves against you, it is good to be able to continue to be able to buy on the dips, whether that is DCA or just amounts that you have held back to be able to buy if the BTC price were to buy against you when you lump sum bought.

A lot of people use lump sum methods and it can be very effective, when you are able to do it.. but sometimes you are not really able to do it without incurring costs and/or risks that might not be worth enduring.. so the extent to which anyone employs lump sum investing is going to partly depend on his having the money and what are the costs of that capital (if any) but the other part would be about ability to service the debt if the BTC price moved against him, such as cashflow or other places to draw capital, if needed and warranted... and part of the reason that the wealthy might be able to set themselves up to be successful no matter what is because they can employ even risky bets and lump sum investing, but also to have ways to service the debt or to keep buying BTC, even if the price goes down and poor people might not have those options when they employ lump sum, so the poor people end up gambling when they employ the same techniques as the rich person, even if they might believe they are doing the same thing, when they are not... but it still does not mean that lump sum is worse, even though some people should not apply it.  I made a similar comment in a recent post that I made.. which suggests that if a person lump sum invest, he should have funds ready to deploy if the BTC price moves against him, down rather than up.

As you said investing million dollar as Lump sum right now will give you around 23 bitcoin and that is still far from person in Hypo-3. In hypo-3, we are investing 60$ into Bitcoin every week for ten years and now the total bitcoins are 27 and there net worth is 1 million USD.
What we can deduce is that even if you dont have million or 100k dollars funds then you can still take better osition provided you are willing to invest small amount in periodic manner (DCA).

And a Happy New Year to everyone on this thread.

Of course, there is no guarantee that DCA will outperform lump sum, but a person who has spent a lot of time investing into bitcoin has historically had pretty good results and the longer he has been investing (even relatively small amounts), it will take a whole hell of a lot of capital to catch up to him, and many of his peers will not be able to catch up to him, so the ONLY ones who are able to catch up to him are the ones who, in the past, were not his peers but maybe way richer than he was, but he has likely caught up to a lot of folks who were way better off than him historically.  We have witnessed these kinds of matters a lot in bitcoin, even though they are not necessarily guaranteed to continue to occur, even though bitcoin's investment thesis seems to be stronger these days than it was 7-10 years ago - especially if we go back before the resolution of the 2017 blocksize wars, and so even though the upside does not seem to be as great, but the investment thesis does seem to be be pretty strong these days.. including that lump summing prior to the launch of the ETFs may well be better than DCA'ing (front running a lot of the folks who are disinclined to directly own BTC - and sure there are a lot of folks who also don't directly own BTC, since they hold their coins on exchanges).. but no one really knows for sure..

[FinePoine0]

I first started with a very small amount of money to invest in Bitcoin. I once decided to borrow $1000 from my family to invest in Bitcoin but later changed my mind.I changed that decision to the fact that I am connected to a job and get a certain amount of money from it every week I invest a day of money from it in bitcoins. I do masonry work from which I get fixed amount money every week. I take one day's worth of money I get every week from this masonry job and invest it in bitcoins. That is 5 dollars worth of bitcoins, that is 20 dollars worth of bitcoins per month. I am trying to invest in dollar cost averaging (DCA) method every month.

Just like me you have started investing by following DCA method. Since you are depositing in bitcoins with your daily work remuneration. If you deposit five dollars a week, that's $20 a month. So your annual amount of wealth is 180 dollars, the amount is 240 dollars annually, so if you can accumulate for a few years, then you can definitely accumulate a large number of bitcoins. I also just completed one year of Bitcoin accumulation and I have approximately $385+ worth of Bitcoin accumulation. I started investing in Bitcoin when the coin touched 15.5k in early 2023, and now I am so focused that I am not able to invest in any other way than the DCA method. DCA method is best for me. I am impressed by the improvement in my wallet which I can confidently say leads people to a bright future of success.

[Justbillywitt]

Why would you limit it to 4 years?  Even if you increase your investment to $50 per month that would be right around $600 per year and $2,400 in 4 years.  It does not seem to be a place to be stopping.  And let's say you extent that to 20 years, and then you have right around $12k invested, so now you might start to be getting somewhere in the event that your disposable income does not go up.. but there can be ongoing adding of value and then at some point it might start to become more clear if you should be changing your strategy or at what point you might be getting to be out of accumulation phase and into either maintenance stage or liquidation stage.. and surely from my own thinking it does not seem clear to transition from accumulation stage to liquidation stage without first going through a period of maintenance stage... but hey, each of us have our ways of thinking about these kinds of bitcoin investment related matters.

Actually I earn about 180 dollars per month doing masonry work. I put aside a day's worth of my paycheck at the end of this work week to invest in Bitcoin and my wife puts about $25 of my monthly income into insurance. We have done this insurance for about 10 years.Where we have to deposit 25 dollars amount money every month.

JayJuanGee After reading the post you quoted me I explained to my wife that if we invest the money in the insurance we are collecting into bitcoins our bitcoins will increase. We will even get more money if we invest in bitcoins than if we put money in insurance.

My wife is literate which didn't take me long to convince her but she already had a little idea about cryptocurrencies and even Bitcoin. But he didn't understand well about bitcoin investment after I explained him well he asked me to invest that amount in bitcoin instead of saving the money in insurance. We have decided to start our new bitcoin investment journey from next month i.e. January and invest $45 per month in bitcoins and its duration will be ten years. In future we have decided to increase the amount of investment but we will try to increase it according to the cost of our family.

The truth has always remain that money invested has more potential to produce more money than money saved in the bank or in another place. I don't really believe in saving money while the money can be put into use through Bitcoin. Once I get my paycheck and remove my feeding money and the percentage for emergency funds I put the remaining balance into Bitcoin investment and since I have a business that also produce little money that I can always rely on my daily financial life has not been negatively impacted.

[AirtelBuzz]

so that we do not have to sell any BTC during our investment period.. and so after 10 years of investing you can reassess

I started investing with a lot of thought before investing in Bitcoin. I also know that investing in bitcoins is not only profitable, it can also lead to losses. I said in my previous post that I could have borrowed from my family and invested in Bitcoin but I didn't, I wanted to invest in Bitcoin with my earned money.
In addition, I have made another arrangement so that I do not have to sell the invested bitcoins if I need money during my investment. My house has a some land and even a cow farm with six cows.

Plus I don't feel like I have to spend the invested bitcoins that I'm investing in bitcoins every month.If I need family expenses then I can afford to go with money from my family or my elder brother.Because my elder brother is still working abroad he is giving us almost a lot of money every month.

To give a small example of my income I am earning around $180 per month from there I decided to invest $45 per month now in bitcoins. That means I have another $135 left. This amount of 135 dollars will cover my family's expenses and some more money that I can use in case of any emergency.

I calculated these thoroughly and then started investing in bitcoins in this way so that I don't have to spend my invested bitcoins even if I need them. Even I decided to continue investing in Bitcoin like this for 10 years maybe I'll be able to continue investing in Bitcoin this way.

[michellee]

I first started with a very small amount of money to invest in Bitcoin. I once decided to borrow $1000 from my family to invest in Bitcoin but later changed my mind.I changed that decision to the fact that I am connected to a job and get a certain amount of money from it every week I invest a day of money from it in bitcoins. I do masonry work from which I get fixed amount money every week. I take one day's worth of money I get every week from this masonry job and invest it in bitcoins. That is 5 dollars worth of bitcoins, that is 20 dollars worth of bitcoins per month. I am trying to invest in dollar cost averaging (DCA) method every month.

Just like me you have started investing by following DCA method. Since you are depositing in bitcoins with your daily work remuneration. If you deposit five dollars a week, that's $20 a month. So your annual amount of wealth is 180 dollars, the amount is 240 dollars annually, so if you can accumulate for a few years, then you can definitely accumulate a large number of bitcoins. I also just completed one year of Bitcoin accumulation and I have approximately $385+ worth of Bitcoin accumulation. I started investing in Bitcoin when the coin touched 15.5k in early 2023, and now I am so focused that I am not able to invest in any other way than the DCA method. DCA method is best for me. I am impressed by the improvement in my wallet which I can confidently say leads people to a bright future of success.

There is no doubt that the DCA method has given many people the opportunity to start investing in Bitcoin. They can start investing with even just $5 weekly, which will become $20 monthly. The amount of Bitcoin they collect will increase as they regularly buy Bitcoin.

I also suggest the same thing to friends who want to start investing in Bitcoin. I also showed how my friends who don't have a large salary or income but really want to invest in Bitcoin. Yes, it has helped them in starting to invest in Bitcoin.

Most people out there have difficulty having their first investment. I also had difficulties starting because my salary at that time was small and was only enough to meet my daily needs. It never occurred to me to have an investment. But I found something that finally allowed me to invest in Bitcoin. Even though I also didn't think or imagine that Bitcoin would become what it is now. It never crossed my mind but it's a reality now.

[Odohu]

so that we do not have to sell any BTC during our investment period.. and so after 10 years of investing you can reassess

I started investing with a lot of thought before investing in Bitcoin. I also know that investing in bitcoins is not only profitable, it can also lead to losses. I said in my previous post that I could have borrowed from my family and invested in Bitcoin but I didn't, I wanted to invest in Bitcoin with my earned money.

Everything we do in life has risk associated with it and Bitcoin is no exception. Bitcoin is exposed to the general risk that is common to all digital businesses such as losses due to hacks and theft, risk as a result of mistakes in keeping the wallet information safe where it can be accessed and remembered, risk as a result of incidents such as natural disaster and fire outbreaks and so on. Apart from these general risks, most of the risks people link to Bitcoin are man made and avoidable. They are mostly caused by fear and greed which can easily be eliminated or greatly reduced by adopting the right approach and developing the right mindset.

When Bitcoin investment is treated like every other form of investment, most of the risk will naturally go away. For instance, when we start a farming business, we following the necessary process of planting and waiting till period of harvesting before we expect some return on investment. No one start farming business today and is expecting to make multiple of his investment the following month or two. The same can be said of fashion business, real estate and virtually every other business. Unfortunately, when it comes to investment in Bitcoin, people want the huge return within a very short time. They are not ready to give it time and nurture the portfolio to maturity and when the expected fast return is not forthcoming, the FOMO and most times sell even at loss and retire to amplifying the risk of Bitcoin.

I'm yet to see a single person who bought Bitcoin properly and held for at least 5 years that is regretting today. Therefore, I feel the risk associated with Bitcoin is not fairly presented and most times exaggerated.

[avp2306]

so that we do not have to sell any BTC during our investment period.. and so after 10 years of investing you can reassess

I started investing with a lot of thought before investing in Bitcoin. I also know that investing in bitcoins is not only profitable, it can also lead to losses. I said in my previous post that I could have borrowed from my family and invested in Bitcoin but I didn't, I wanted to invest in Bitcoin with my earned money.

Everything we do in life has risk associated with it and Bitcoin is no exception. Bitcoin is exposed to the general risk that is common to all digital businesses such as losses due to hacks and theft, risk as a result of mistakes in keeping the wallet information safe where it can be accessed and remembered, risk as a result of incidents such as natural disaster and fire outbreaks and so on. Apart from these general risks, most of the risks people link to Bitcoin are man made and avoidable. They are mostly caused by fear and greed which can easily be eliminated or greatly reduced by adopting the right approach and developing the right mindset.

When Bitcoin investment is treated like every other form of investment, most of the risk will naturally go away. For instance, when we start a farming business, we following the necessary process of planting and waiting till period of harvesting before we expect some return on investment. No one start farming business today and is expecting to make multiple of his investment the following month or two. The same can be said of fashion business, real estate and virtually every other business. Unfortunately, when it comes to investment in Bitcoin, people want the huge return within a very short time. They are not ready to give it time and nurture the portfolio to maturity and when the expected fast return is not forthcoming, the FOMO and most times sell even at loss and retire to amplifying the risk of Bitcoin.

I'm yet to see a single person who bought Bitcoin properly and held for at least 5 years that is regretting today. Therefore, I feel the risk associated with Bitcoin is not fairly presented and most times exaggerated.

Risk is part of investment and bitcoin is very well known with this that's why for people want to try to invest on this must conduct a lot of researching so that they would not came to the point that they realize that their expectation about fast to earn money here is not actually true. So they need to know that there's certain timeframe of everything if they want to see the real result if planning to invest in bitcoin. Maybe some people same as you might consider it farming since there is some similarities but the only difference here is the time span we need to consider since bitcoin could potentially give us the result on its 10th or even above with this number of years.

Although as being said that we should asses later on the possible result then for that we can figure out if its really worth it for waiting at that time or not, but base on history bitcoin really show that its good for long term since it brings a lot of profit for its holder if they just do the right thing upon holding their coins for long years or decade.

[G_Besar]

The truth has always remain that money invested has more potential to produce more money than money saved in the bank or in another place. I don't really believe in saving money while the money can be put into use through Bitcoin. Once I get my paycheck and remove my feeding money and the percentage for emergency funds I put the remaining balance into Bitcoin investment and since I have a business that also produce little money that I can always rely on my daily financial life has not been negatively impacted.

For those of you who have a fairly large monthly salary, you can divide it into several aspects that can benefit you and your own life. But for those who don't have a monthly salary, of course they still have to collect a certain amount of money manually so they can distribute it into several aspects, including the investment aspect. Because money that doesn't move can't produce anything other than a constant amount, so it's very appropriate to place it in several important parts of your life. For example, like what you did.

Investing money in Bitcoin is actually not difficult if we have a basic income that we can rely on for several things. However, for some people the difficulty in doing this is when they still don't really believe in Bitcoin even though they are able to Buy the DIP, and HODL gradually. Because for those who don't have the basic capital to do this, of course they can try as long as they have the intention to do it very consistently without looking for any reasons for the things that can arise in investing.

[Asiska02]

Actually I earn about 180 dollars per month doing masonry work. I put aside a day's worth of my paycheck at the end of this work week to invest in Bitcoin and my wife puts about $25 of my monthly income into insurance. We have done this insurance for about 10 years.Where we have to deposit 25 dollars amount money every month.

JayJuanGee After reading the post you quoted me I explained to my wife that if we invest the money in the insurance we are collecting into bitcoins our bitcoins will increase. We will even get more money if we invest in bitcoins than if we put money in insurance.

Your claim is right and accurate but by doing so, you are already leaving something that is important to your family also. The benefits of insurance cannot be overstated and it serves its purpose for what it has been designed for. It is good to see that you’ve saved a lot in the insurance company for the past ten years, it will be better if you minimize your savings in the insurance and have more bitcoin savings plus the amount you are originally setting aside and investing into bitcoin monthly. Bringing the insurance savings to a stop is not a nice idea, you can continue with the insurance savings, while taking some percentage of the insurance savings and add to that of bitcoin savings. It will serve like balancing your investments by prioritizing one over the other but not necessarily halting any of the investments.

Just like me you have started investing by following DCA method. Since you are depositing in bitcoins with your daily work remuneration. If you deposit five dollars a week, that's $20 a month. So your annual amount of wealth is 180 dollars, the amount is 240 dollars annually, so if you can accumulate for a few years, then you can definitely accumulate a large number of bitcoins. I also just completed one year of Bitcoin accumulation and I have approximately $385+ worth of Bitcoin accumulation. I started investing in Bitcoin when the coin touched 15.5k in early 2023, and now I am so focused that I am not able to invest in any other way than the DCA method. DCA method is best for me. I am impressed by the improvement in my wallet which I can confidently say leads people to a bright future of success.

DCA still remains the best method/strategy to accumulate bitcoin, it doesn’t work for only one class of people but for all persons that wants to invest in bitcoin. The best way to enjoy DCA is through consistency every week, bi-weekly or monthly, that is the only way you’ll see your investment grows and your portfolio keeps balancing through buying low and buying high within those intervals. DCA method just requires you to have set aside money for emergency expenses because when you come back and touch from the investment accumulated through DCA, it will just scatter the investment and makes it hard for you to reach that target again especially as the price is rising as we approach the bitcoin halving and the anticipated bull run that comes after it.

The truth has always remain that money invested has more potential to produce more money than money saved in the bank or in another place. I don't really believe in saving money while the money can be put into use through Bitcoin. Once I get my paycheck and remove my feeding money and the percentage for emergency funds I put the remaining balance into Bitcoin investment and since I have a business that also produce little money that I can always rely on my daily financial life has not been negatively impacted.

It is also good to know which investments you will put your money into that will have the potential to give you more money because if you fail to know the correct investment to do, you will regret not saving your money and just simply watching it in your savings. Bitcoin is worthwhile and has been proven to be a good investment for long term investors. If you’re looking to be a long term investor and understands how bitcoin works, investing in bitcoin will be the best for you. With the way you explained and understood how bitcoin works, you won’t have a problem after investing in bitcoin since you know what you stand to achieve in the future through the investment.

[Litzki1990]

I first started with a very small amount of money to invest in Bitcoin. I once decided to borrow $1000 from my family to invest in Bitcoin but later changed my mind.I changed that decision to the fact that I am connected to a job and get a certain amount of money from it every week I invest a day of money from it in bitcoins. I do masonry work from which I get fixed amount money every week. I take one day's worth of money I get every week from this masonry job and invest it in bitcoins. That is 5 dollars worth of bitcoins, that is 20 dollars worth of bitcoins per month. I am trying to invest in dollar cost averaging (DCA) method every month.

Just like me you have started investing by following DCA method. Since you are depositing in bitcoins with your daily work remuneration. If you deposit five dollars a week, that's $20 a month. So your annual amount of wealth is 180 dollars, the amount is 240 dollars annually, so if you can accumulate for a few years, then you can definitely accumulate a large number of bitcoins. I also just completed one year of Bitcoin accumulation and I have approximately $385+ worth of Bitcoin accumulation. I started investing in Bitcoin when the coin touched 15.5k in early 2023, and now I am so focused that I am not able to invest in any other way than the DCA method. DCA method is best for me. I am impressed by the improvement in my wallet which I can confidently say leads people to a bright future of success.

Investing in DCA method has become a very effective investment method for every investor now. Those who have enough money to invest now are also following the DCA method for investing. 

I have been investing in bitcoins for a long time and when I started investing in bitcoins my idea of investing was that first I need to accumulate enough money to invest. Since there was no concept of DCA method outside of that, at that time I used to deposit enough money and then invest that money in Bitcoin. If I could have invested in the DC method instead of the method I used to invest then, maybe investing would have been easier for me. If I could have invested in Bitcoin step by step as I was able to, without having to accumulate a lot of money, I might have invested more. Anyway don't worry too much about the past because now I am holding investments in the right way and investing myself in the right way. You have weekly or monthly calculations here but when I have money I randomly withdraw bitcoins from the balance. 

I don't need to calculate how much I invested at the end of the week or at the end of the month because the amount I invest will be added to my total investment. I have been holding my investments for a long time and investing regularly but I only invest enough money in bitcoins. If I think that I may need this amount of money in future then I leave that amount and invest the remaining amount in Bitcoin because after investing I don't want to sell my investment.

[JayJuanGee]

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Just like me you have started investing by following DCA method. Since you are depositing in bitcoins with your daily work remuneration. If you deposit five dollars a week, that's $20 a month. So your annual amount of wealth is 180 dollars, the amount is 240 dollars annually, so if you can accumulate for a few years, then you can definitely accumulate a large number of bitcoins. I also just completed one year of Bitcoin accumulation and I have approximately $385+ worth of Bitcoin accumulation. I started investing in Bitcoin when the coin touched 15.5k in early 2023, and now I am so focused that I am not able to invest in any other way than the DCA method. DCA method is best for me. I am impressed by the improvement in my wallet which I can confidently say leads people to a bright future of success.

Hopefully each of us consider keeping track how much we put in versus how much the holdings are worth, so of course, there are ways to do that with Excel spreadsheet, even though maybe some folks might not be accustomed to those kinds of programs, and I am not sure if we can presume everyone participating on this forum and in this thread has regular access to a computer.. even though more and more people do have some kind of computer access.. and some work with those kinds of programs on mobile devices...

But there are ways that you can keep track of how much you put into BTC and see the various price points about whether you were negative or positive at any given time and then how much your average cost per BTC is and how much your BTC is worth at various points relative to how much you had put in. 

Sometimes there can be dilemmas about what to do based on that kind of detailed information and seeing how it changes with the passage of time especially when profits might go up or down a lot, and then when it is going down or appears that it might go down, some guys start to erroneously believe that it would be good to sell some rather than continuing to accumulate.. but of course, what to do are personal choices that can end up having a lot of ramifications down the road for guys who might have continued to stay into bitcoin and also continue to buy on a regular, ongoing and persistent basis.... whether continuously, buying in a DCA way and/or buying on dips or a combination of those kinds of ongoing buying and accumulation of BTC practices.

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To give a small example of my income I am earning around $180 per month from there I decided to invest $45 per month now in bitcoins. That means I have another $135 left. This amount of 135 dollars will cover my family's expenses and some more money that I can use in case of any emergency.

I am glad that you are going through a lot of the calculations, considering your cushion and even projecting out.  Usually with an emergency fund, either you have one or you don't, and even if you do, it may or may not be enough to cover an emergency and/or various unexpected changes in your income and/or expenses.

Usually anyone who  is investing (which means moving some of your extra cash into a place that you are purposefully planning NOT to be able to draw from it in case of an emergency), then you have to make sure that you have other funds that serve that emergency fund purpose... so it is more important when investing.. rather than savings which is presumably in the same currency that your expenses are in and frequently savings will serve as an emergency fund that captures the up and down fluctuations of your income/expenses.

Having 3-6 months of expenses is a pretty good rule of thumb guide regarding how much you should have built up, and once you get to your target amount, then you no longer would need to build up your emergency fund, except maybe to the extent that you might be floating some of that value from month to month when your discretionary income might vary..

Some guys describe their emergency fund as one of their monthly expenses, which seems to be the wrong idea of what an emergency fund is, except if that money is going into building up the emergency fund in order to get the emergency fund to a certain size.... So let's say for example, your income is $180, and your expenses are between $80 and $120, so if you are saying that you are going to invest $45 into bitcoin no matter what, then you really only have a $15 cushion, and that could go into an emergency fund, but if your emergency fund needs to be between 3 and 6 months that would be $360 to $720 for your emergency fund, and if you don't have an emergency fund, then you would be building it with the $15 per month or maybe in months that your expenses were less, you would be able to put $55 into your emergency fund in order to get it to be between 3-6 months,

and I personally remain a kind of conservative person, so I would be shooting to have my emergency fund closer to the 6 months rather than the 3 months, yet of course, everyone has to decide these kinds of balances for themselves, and since so many folks are used to having only a month of less in their emergency fund, they could end up getting fucked if they end up investing into bitcoin for a couple of years and they have put $1,200 ($50 x 24) into bitcoin and they end up having an inadequate emergency fund and have to sell some or all of their BTC to deal with some kind of an emergency that they could have prevented from devolving into an emergency....

and if you had been investing into bitcoin for more than 4 years and the amount that you invested is $2,400 and maybe even the bitcoin may have gone up in value, too..  perhaps? it is not guaranteed, but if you still don't have at least 3-6 months of an emergency fund, and maybe even greater, then you may well be tempted to tap into your bitcoin and/or its profits, which may not completely be a bad idea, but tapping into your bitcoin does run the potential of diminishing both your accumulation of bitcoin but also the ability of your BTC profits to compound in value upon itself.

I'm yet to see a single person who bought Bitcoin properly and held for at least 5 years that is regretting today. Therefore, I feel the risk associated with Bitcoin is not fairly presented and most times exaggerated.

Of course, frequently risk can be compensated by position size, and of course, if you end up being too whimpy in your BTC investment because you are afraid of downside risk, then you still will end up profiting, just not as much if you had been more aggressive in your investment, so you can choose your level of whimpy versus aggressive and have to live with the consequences either way.. which still ends up being better for the whimpy investor rather than the no coiner.. .. even while there are no guarantees of such.

Actually I earn about 180 dollars per month doing masonry work. I put aside a day's worth of my paycheck at the end of this work week to invest in Bitcoin and my wife puts about $25 of my monthly income into insurance. We have done this insurance for about 10 years.Where we have to deposit 25 dollars amount money every month.

JayJuanGee After reading the post you quoted me I explained to my wife that if we invest the money in the insurance we are collecting into bitcoins our bitcoins will increase. We will even get more money if we invest in bitcoins than if we put money in insurance.

Your claim is right and accurate but by doing so, you are already leaving something that is important to your family also. The benefits of insurance cannot be overstated and it serves its purpose for what it has been designed for. It is good to see that you’ve saved a lot in the insurance company for the past ten years, it will be better if you minimize your savings in the insurance and have more bitcoin savings plus the amount you are originally setting aside and investing into bitcoin monthly. Bringing the insurance savings to a stop is not a nice idea, you can continue with the insurance savings, while taking some percentage of the insurance savings and add to that of bitcoin savings. It will serve like balancing your investments by prioritizing one over the other but not necessarily halting any of the investments.

That is part of the lack of clarity in regards to AirtelBuzz's description of the insurance in regards to whether it was a savings plan or if it was something that actually was a way of maintaining coverage for accidents, injuries and such... and sometimes insurances have both aspects to them, some part of the monthly payment is for coverage of injuries and health and other part is for savings. and maybe there are ways to just have the more basic form of the insurance and then to put that savings portion into bitcoin.

[GigaBit]

The truth has always remain that money invested has more potential to produce more money than money saved in the bank or in another place. I don't really believe in saving money while the money can be put into use through Bitcoin. Once I get my paycheck and remove my feeding money and the percentage for emergency funds I put the remaining balance into Bitcoin investment and since I have a business that also produce little money that I can always rely on my daily financial life has not been negatively impacted.

For those of you who have a fairly large monthly salary, you can divide it into several aspects that can benefit you and your own life. But for those who don't have a monthly salary, of course they still have to collect a certain amount of money manually so they can distribute it into several aspects, including the investment aspect. Because money that doesn't move can't produce anything other than a constant amount, so it's very appropriate to place it in several important parts of your life. For example, like what you did.

Investing money in Bitcoin is actually not difficult if we have a basic income that we can rely on for several things. However, for some people the difficulty in doing this is when they still don't really believe in Bitcoin even though they are able to Buy the DIP, and HODL gradually. Because for those who don't have the basic capital to do this, of course they can try as long as they have the intention to do it very consistently without looking for any reasons for the things that can arise in investing.

Yes, everyone earns more or less ‍and every person tries to save a minimum portion of his income. There are many who can deposit their money in a financial institution without investing it elsewhere. After they have done so for a long time, when they get their money, it loses value with inflation. Bitcoin is definitely a good alternative for them. Investing in Bitcoin will result in both investment and savings at the same time.

The amount that a person keeps into his savings every month, if he keeps it regularly in bitcoins, then that person can increase the investment several times over the money. However, the benefits of investing in Bitcoin are much greater than those institutions can provide for long-term investment. In this regard an investor will not only benefit in terms of money but also make his savings into a long-term asset.

[Patrol69]

Of course, frequently risk can be compensated by position size, and of course, if you end up being too whimpy in your BTC investment because you are afraid of downside risk, then you still will end up profiting, just not as much if you had been more aggressive in your investment, so you can choose your level of whimpy versus aggressive and have to live with the consequences either way.. which still ends up being better for the whimpy investor rather than the no coiner.. .. even while there are no guarantees of such.

Aggressiveness is fine in investing but I don't think there is any need to be aggressive when it comes to holding your investments for a long time. Aggressive means that the investor will not think twice to sell his investment, I think if he is so aggressive he will not be able to hold his investment for long. Before investing, when the investor thinks too much about what time of the market he should invest, what time he will invest, when he wastes extra time, basically the investor should be aggressive for that time. 


An investor's attitude before investing should be that I invest in the market now or after a few months as I will hold my investment for a long time so this gap of few months will not affect my long term investment retention. It is unwise to waste too much time and wait too much before investing. From the position the market is in, the market is likely to go down as well as it is likely to go up. If we sit thinking that the market will go down and if the market is going up then we will not be able to invest. 

Trading and investing are two different things, while trading requires a lot of thought, I don't think much thought is required for investing in long-term planning. Bitcoin investment can be started whenever you want if you have an investment plan and a certain amount of money.

[JayJuanGee]

The truth has always remain that money invested has more potential to produce more money than money saved in the bank or in another place. I don't really believe in saving money while the money can be put into use through Bitcoin. Once I get my paycheck and remove my feeding money and the percentage for emergency funds I put the remaining balance into Bitcoin investment and since I have a business that also produce little money that I can always rely on my daily financial life has not been negatively impacted.

For those of you who have a fairly large monthly salary, you can divide it into several aspects that can benefit you and your own life. But for those who don't have a monthly salary, of course they still have to collect a certain amount of money manually so they can distribute it into several aspects, including the investment aspect. Because money that doesn't move can't produce anything other than a constant amount, so it's very appropriate to place it in several important parts of your life. For example, like what you did.

Investing money in Bitcoin is actually not difficult if we have a basic income that we can rely on for several things. However, for some people the difficulty in doing this is when they still don't really believe in Bitcoin even though they are able to Buy the DIP, and HODL gradually. Because for those who don't have the basic capital to do this, of course they can try as long as they have the intention to do it very consistently without looking for any reasons for the things that can arise in investing.

Yes, everyone earns more or less ‍and every person tries to save a minimum portion of his income. There are many who can deposit their money in a financial institution without investing it elsewhere. After they have done so for a long time, when they get their money, it loses value with inflation. Bitcoin is definitely a good alternative for them. Investing in Bitcoin will result in both investment and savings at the same time.

The amount that a person keeps into his savings every month, if he keeps it regularly in bitcoins, then that person can increase the investment several times over the money. However, the benefits of investing in Bitcoin are much greater than those institutions can provide for long-term investment. In this regard an investor will not only benefit in terms of money but also make his savings into a long-term asset.

I frequently have a bit of a dilemma in terms of understanding how anyone with a very low income might buy $10 per week, and maybe there are limitations regarding how to purchase with individuals who might not want to transact in such low amounts, and surely those kinds of small amounts are not very practical with individuals unless maybe using the lightning network or some other way to get low transaction fees. but how does he make money to sell the bitcoin to the one wanting to buy it..

and then if the buyer is using some kind of third party custodian, such as an exchange, it could be problematic to send $10 and then to buy, and so maybe sometimes there might be $40 sent for the month, and then just every week, $10 worth of bitcoin is bought, or there could be some kind of cushion and the buys could be done manually or automatic, but there may well be a cushion in the account.. and then determining how many BTC to accumulate (or the dollar value) prior to moving them to a private wallet, whether that is $500 to $1k which is my current recommended amount, or some other amount, and of course, someone who is poor or just starting out in bitcoin may have some concerns about how to secure his coins on a hardware wallet or some other way of doing it, whether electrum  or blue wallet or some other way, and securing his back up too.

Of course, frequently risk can be compensated by position size, and of course, if you end up being too whimpy in your BTC investment because you are afraid of downside risk, then you still will end up profiting, just not as much if you had been more aggressive in your investment, so you can choose your level of whimpy versus aggressive and have to live with the consequences either way.. which still ends up being better for the whimpy investor rather than the no coiner.. .. even while there are no guarantees of such.

Aggressiveness is fine in investing but I don't think there is any need to be aggressive when it comes to holding your investments for a long time. Aggressive means that the investor will not think twice to sell his investment, I think if he is so aggressive he will not be able to hold his investment for long. Before investing, when the investor thinks too much about what time of the market he should invest, what time he will invest, when he wastes extra time, basically the investor should be aggressive for that time. 

You seem to be making several assumptions that I am not making.

I am not using the term "aggressive" to describe all personality characteristics (or traits) of any particular person, but only in the context of how much a person might end up using all of his discretionary/disposable income to buy bitcoin. 

A person who uses 51% to 100% of his discretionary income to buy bitcoin might be considered on the side of relative aggressiveness (compared to the person on the other side), and of course there are degrees within how aggressive a person might be being and there are particulars about a budget that might justify various kinds of financial behaviors in relation to the maintenance, use and or augmentation of an emergency fund. 

So on the other side of the spectrum, a person who uses 1% to 50% of his discretionary income to buy bitcoin might be consider on the side of relative whimpiness, and yeah maybe we might say that a person who invests 25% to 50% is not being whimpy, but instead is being practical, and sure I could possibly concede to that kind of characterization of my chosen numbers, and I am just using 50% as the dividing line in order to make a point that these ideas are somewhat relative.

The mere fact that we might be using the words aggressive and whimpy in connection to someone's behavior in regards to buying bitcoin, it does not necessarily mean that the person is either aggressive or whimpy in any other way.. it is merely an attempt at a descriptor in which people have to apply their own particulars to be able to determine on which side they might fall and then even how far on one side or the other they might fall, and someone who is investing 20% of his discretionary income into bitcoin might describe his style as aggressive relative to his alternative self who would have had chosen to only invest 5% to 10%, so there are degrees, and we might not all agree about whether an approach is aggressive or whimpy or about whether it has gone too far in one direction or another or not.

An investor's attitude before investing should be that I invest in the market now or after a few months as I will hold my investment for a long time so this gap of few months will not affect my long term investment retention. It is unwise to waste too much time and wait too much before investing. From the position the market is in, the market is likely to go down as well as it is likely to go up. If we sit thinking that the market will go down and if the market is going up then we will not be able to invest. 

It seems that I agree on this point.  Action is important, and frequently it is not good to be waiting around trying to figure out some kind of ideal entry point, especially for longer term investors, which goes back to the trite saying that: "time in the market is better timing the market."

Trading and investing are two different things, while trading requires a lot of thought, I don't think much thought is required for investing in long-term planning. Bitcoin investment can be started whenever you want if you have an investment plan and a certain amount of money.

I probably ONLY partially agree about this.

I do agree that trading adds some needs for some extra skills and maybe some extra time dedication, yet there could be some kinds of things that investors need to do and think about that traders do not need to think about, and even though I think that the investment approach is way better, including something like bitcoin, I some times can recognize and appreciate how people from poorer locations can get sucked into trading and shitcoins, especially if they have really difficult times earning very much money, so they could end up being able to figure out some systems in which they actually are able to earn more money based on trading and getting involved in shitcoins, but it is not something that anyone should think that he is able to do without a certain amount of additional preparations as compared with an investing approach... as you suggested.

[Frankolala]

Of course, frequently risk can be compensated by position size, and of course, if you end up being too whimpy in your BTC investment because you are afraid of downside risk, then you still will end up profiting, just not as much if you had been more aggressive in your investment, so you can choose your level of whimpy versus aggressive and have to live with the consequences either way.. which still ends up being better for the whimpy investor rather than the no coiner.. .. even while there are no guarantees of such.

Aggressiveness is fine in investing but I don't think there is any need to be aggressive when it comes to holding your investments for a long time. Aggressive means that the investor will not think twice to sell his investment, I think if he is so aggressive he will not be able to hold his investment for long. Before investing, when the investor thinks too much about what time of the market he should invest, what time he will invest, when he wastes extra time, basically the investor should be aggressive for that time. 

An investor can invest aggressively and still not get affected, especially when he didn't over do it i.e he invested aggressively and still have his emergency funds and every other important needs available. It is just like I decide to invest $100 into bitcoin with ease and it will be as if I am not putting in money into somewhere. I can decide to increase my regular DCA amount to $200, but with this, I have to trim my expenses so that it wouldn't affect my monthly expenses and I will still have reserve funds for other purposes instead of me still investing with $100 because I want to be buying other things that are not necessarily needed.

If you just started your bitcoin journey, investing aggressively is good as long as it wouldn't affect you so that you can use a short period of time to have a significant amount of bitcoin. It is when you over do it, that is you invested with almost all your weekly income, forgetting that you will need funds for some financial needs that is when you will end up destroying your goal because when you are short of funds, and an emergency arise, you will be forced to sell your bitcoin at a price of is not of your will.

[Moreno233]

Aggressiveness is fine in investing but I don't think there is any need to be aggressive when it comes to holding your investments for a long time. Aggressive means that the investor will not think twice to sell his investment, I think if he is so aggressive he will not be able to hold his investment for long. Before investing, when the investor thinks too much about what time of the market he should invest, what time he will invest, when he wastes extra time, basically the investor should be aggressive for that time. 

If you just started your bitcoin journey, investing aggressively is good as long as it wouldn't affect you so that you can use a short period of time to have a significant amount of bitcoin. It is when you over do it, that is you invested with almost all your weekly income, forgetting that you will need funds for some financial needs that is when you will end up destroying your goal because when you are short of funds, and an emergency arise, you will be forced to sell your bitcoin at a price of is not of your will.

There is no time that is late for Bitcoin so being new to Bitcoin does not mean you have to be so aggressive without planning your finances. Remember there is no deadline to beat in Bitcoin investing, so it is best we go about it at our own pace in a fashion that is conducive to our finances as well as our needs.

Buying the dips is not a bad strategy even when executed with bulk funds but doing it as though you want to catch up on something at the expense of planning might be problematic in the long run. This might also make holding for long a kind of challenging. Maybe you are focusing on buying enough Bitcoin before the halving. Well, if the finances are there there I don't see a problem buying aggressively but care must be taken not to buy in a way one can hold without selling under panic.

[Patrol69]

Of course, frequently risk can be compensated by position size, and of course, if you end up being too whimpy in your BTC investment because you are afraid of downside risk, then you still will end up profiting, just not as much if you had been more aggressive in your investment, so you can choose your level of whimpy versus aggressive and have to live with the consequences either way.. which still ends up being better for the whimpy investor rather than the no coiner.. .. even while there are no guarantees of such.

Aggressiveness is fine in investing but I don't think there is any need to be aggressive when it comes to holding your investments for a long time. Aggressive means that the investor will not think twice to sell his investment, I think if he is so aggressive he will not be able to hold his investment for long. Before investing, when the investor thinks too much about what time of the market he should invest, what time he will invest, when he wastes extra time, basically the investor should be aggressive for that time. 

An investor can invest aggressively and still not get affected, especially when he didn't over do it i.e he invested aggressively and still have his emergency funds and every other important needs available. It is just like I decide to invest $100 into bitcoin with ease and it will be as if I am not putting in money into somewhere. I can decide to increase my regular DCA amount to $200, but with this, I have to trim my expenses so that it wouldn't affect my monthly expenses and I will still have reserve funds for other purposes instead of me still investing with $100 because I want to be buying other things that are not necessarily needed.

If you just started your bitcoin journey, investing aggressively is good as long as it wouldn't affect you so that you can use a short period of time to have a significant amount of bitcoin. It is when you over do it, that is you invested with almost all your weekly income, forgetting that you will need funds for some financial needs that is when you will end up destroying your goal because when you are short of funds, and an emergency arise, you will be forced to sell your bitcoin at a price of is not of your will.

It totally depends on an investor how much money the investor can invest in DCA method. It is ok for you to invest $200 in DCA method but for someone else the amount may be more and for some investors the amount may be less. There is no fixed investment amount so every investor gets the opportunity to invest as per his wish and according to his ability. I have already cleared the point that an investor should invest the amount of money that he does not have to sell the investment later to meet his needs.
That is, if you are the sole earner in your family, you must know how much money you spend every month or week. The remaining money should be invested in Bitcoins, keeping the amount of money that will be spent every month and keeping some money aside for other needs. The remaining money beyond the expenses is asked to be kept aside because people may need money at any time or any kind of accident may happen and investors are asked to invest in this way so that the temporary financial crisis can be overcome with extra money at that moment. Bitcoin price has currently touched the highest in the last year and according to Bitcoin price this year.

Bitcoin price today touched around $45.5K. That is, the price of Bitcoin is now at its highest level, but investors have not stopped investing now because the market may rise further. When Bitcoin touched $40k for the first time last year, it was the highest price Bitcoin had ever touched and investors poured in at that time as well. Now past $45K investors will still invest and in the future if the price of bitcoin increases further investors will invest and even if the price goes down investors will invest. 

Regardless of how much the value of Bitcoin goes up or down, investors need to understand that their plans are long-term.

[JayJuanGee]

Bitcoin price today touched around $45.5K. That is, the price of Bitcoin is now at its highest level, but investors have not stopped investing now because the market may rise further. When Bitcoin touched $40k for the first time last year, it was the highest price Bitcoin had ever touched and investors poured in at that time as well. Now past $45K investors will still invest and in the future if the price of bitcoin increases further investors will invest and even if the price goes down investors will invest. 

There are a lot of people in the world who don't have any bitcoin, and there are some people who have bitcoin who realize that they don't have enough.  Furthermore, there is a class of institutional investor and even retirement fund holder who is going to want to get some exposure to bitcoin, once they realize that it is being offered in their retirement fund.. and some of the people and institutions did not previously have easy ways to get into bitcoin, and some of them are realizing that they are going to want to get into bitcoin.. or at least some price exposure.

Those of us who have already been buying bitcoin are advantaged by already being in bitcoin, even if some of us might feel that we don't really have any (or enough) money to buy more bitcoin.. except as our cashflow comes in, whether weekly monthly or some other period.

[edited out]

There is no time that is late for Bitcoin so being new to Bitcoin does not mean you have to be so aggressive without planning your finances. Remember there is no deadline to beat in Bitcoin investing, so it is best we go about it at our own pace in a fashion that is conducive to our finances as well as our needs.

Buying the dips is not a bad strategy even when executed with bulk funds but doing it as though you want to catch up on something at the expense of planning might be problematic in the long run. This might also make holding for long a kind of challenging. Maybe you are focusing on buying enough Bitcoin before the halving. Well, if the finances are there there I don't see a problem buying aggressively but care must be taken not to buy in a way one can hold without selling under panic.

Surely there is no timeline to get into bitcoin, but sometimes we will witness periods in bitcoin in which we realize that we would have been much better off to get into bitcoin and to establish a sufficient and meaningful stake, rather than diddly daddling around and believing that we have to know more about bitcoin or make other unnecessary preparations, rather than just getting started as soon as possible.

So, yeah, you can make your choices to wait or even to under invest or to wait for dips that may or may not end up happening.  Bitcoin is not always guaranteed to dip, even though we know dips happen, but sometimes such dips do not happen until after the BTC price has gone up stupendously, so then when the BTC price finally dips, it is not necessarily dipping lower than previous prices.

Make your choices about how to allocate, and good luck if you are in the waiting camp.. Waiting may work out for you, and it may not.

[Justbillywitt]

Make your choices about how to allocate, and good luck if you are in the waiting camp.. Waiting may work out for you, and it may not.

One funny thing about the waiting camp is that they will always end up regretting and they are always saying how I wished I opted in. Even while they are saying this they are still waiting without taking action immediately. For me provided the money for investment is available I don't see the reason to keep waiting for any dip, funny enough the current price now might just happen to be the dip of the week or possibly the month.