Buy the DIP, and HODL!

[JayJuanGee]

When holding, we should target at least 4 to 10 years time so that we give enough time when possibly, we stand chances of making higher gains even though you are not obliged to sell off after this holding period too.

Even if you are mentioning 4-10 years or longer as a possible timeline to hold your bitcoin, you still seem to be thinking about bitcoin in terms of a trade rather than an investment since it seems to make little to no sense to build up a bitcoin investment in bitcoin and then transition into selling all of it.. but yeah, people have difficulties considering that they would continue to hold their bitcoin investment through their life, even if they might also be selling parts of it from time to time.

In fact, Bitcoin should not be considered as either a trading or investment asset, but rather as an asset that is a lot like holding gold in reserve.
Because gold is an asset that increases in value over time 50 years from now, on the other hand, if we keep the money we traditionally keep in a bank for 50 years, that amount will decrease several times due to inflation.

No, I am not saying to people that put all their eggs in one basket. If someone wants, they can spend the minimum amount they can afford here like 10$ per week but that should be regularly, like we deposit our salary on banks.
And if people take Bitcoin as their strategic reserve in this way, then in the future they will be able to beat the inflation of the fiat currencies in their banks and will be economically strong.

And besides, it's not like a person can't take any other strategy separately rather investing $10. In addition to the weekly investment of $10, he can also make a 4-year to 10-year investment plan if he wants.  

Even though I might not disagree with you (since we might be saying similar things, but just choosing different ways to say it), your description of how to consider bitcoin comes off as a bit strange the way that you described it and the way that I understood it.  

I don't really disagree  with the idea of building up wealth in bitcoin, and then when the wealth level gets up to a certain level it can start to be used to live off of, yet if a guy has other sources of income besides his bitcoin wealth then the bitcoin income (wealth) may well supplement his other kinds of income, to the extent that he might choose to draw from his bitcoin or just live completely off his other income and even build up his bitcoin holdings from his work-related income..

It seems to me that people are able to get to a sizable level of bitcoin wealth that they are able to live off of their bitcoin for the rest of their lives without working, yet at the same time, if they choose to work, then they could live off of that earned income first, and maybe continue to build up their bitcoin from that earned income in the event that they might want even more bitcoin to build up since the more bitcoin they accumulate, then the higher their level of sustained withdrawal could be from their bitcoin holdings at any time that they might chose not to work or might not need to earn income from work in order to sustain their chosen lifestyle - and sure hopefully if they are at a point in their lives of withdrawing from their bitcoin holdings, then they would be able to do it in a sustainable way, which largely means that their bitcoin is gaining in value at a faster rate than they are withdrawing from it.

[Miramax12]

When holding, we should target at least 4 to 10 years time so that we give enough time when possibly, we stand chances of making higher gains even though you are not obliged to sell off after this holding period too.

Even if you are mentioning 4-10 years or longer as a possible timeline to hold your bitcoin, you still seem to be thinking about bitcoin in terms of a trade rather than an investment since it seems to make little to no sense to build up a bitcoin investment in bitcoin and then transition into selling all of it.. but yeah, people have difficulties considering that they would continue to hold their bitcoin investment through their life, even if they might also be selling parts of it from time to time.

In fact, Bitcoin should not be considered as either a trading or investment asset, but rather as an asset that is a lot like holding gold in reserve.
Because gold is an asset that increases in value over time 50 years from now, on the other hand, if we keep the money we traditionally keep in a bank for 50 years, that amount will decrease several times due to inflation.

No, I am not saying to people that put all their eggs in one basket. If someone wants, they can spend the minimum amount they can afford here like 10$ per week but that should be regularly, like we deposit our salary on banks.
And if people take Bitcoin as their strategic reserve in this way, then in the future they will be able to beat the inflation of the fiat currencies in their banks and will be economically strong.

And besides, it's not like a person can't take any other strategy separately rather investing $10. In addition to the weekly investment of $10, he can also make a 4-year to 10-year investment plan if he wants.  

Even though I might not disagree with you (since we might be saying similar things, but just choosing different ways to say it), your description of how to consider bitcoin comes off as a bit strange the way that you described it and the way that I understood it.  

I don't really disagree  with the idea of building up wealth in bitcoin, and then when the wealth level gets up to a certain level it can start to be used to live off of, yet if a guy has other sources of income besides his bitcoin wealth then the bitcoin income (wealth) may well supplement his other kinds of income, to the extent that he might choose to draw from his bitcoin or just live completely off his other income and even build up his bitcoin holdings from his work-related income..

It seems to me that people are able to get to a sizable level of bitcoin wealth that they are able to live off of their bitcoin for the rest of their lives without working, yet at the same time, if they choose to work, then they could live off of that earned income first, and maybe continue to build up their bitcoin from that earned income in the event that they might want even more bitcoin to build up since the more bitcoin they accumulate, then the higher their level of sustained withdrawal could be from their bitcoin holdings at any time that they might chose not to work or might not need to earn income from work in order to sustain their chosen lifestyle - and sure hopefully if they are at a point in their lives of withdrawing from their bitcoin holdings, then they would be able to do it in a sustainable way, which largely means that their bitcoin is gaining in value at a faster rate than they are withdrawing from it.

you are actually right,  Bitcoin isn’t just a trade it’s a mindset shift. Thinking long-term, even beyond 10 years, changes how you see value itself. It's not just about gains, it's about preservation and freedom from inflation. Just like we wouldn’t question saving gold or real estate for decades, Bitcoin should be treated the same if not more seriously in this digital age. Small, consistent moves now could mean long-term financial strength. The key? Patience and perspective.

[Salahmu]

It’s not entirely true. Bitcoin price is volatile so you can have profit as quickly as 1 day or shorter if you manage to purchase Bitcoin right before the price rally started.

It’s not necessarily true that you will only have profit on Bitcoin when holding long term while in fact Bitcoin price pump happened in spread time frame which means you can gain profit regardless how long or short you hold.

What you are saying is not true except that you have a trusted portfolio to give you the kind of profit you are saying on those rally, what they said about only getting profit in a long time is true, let me explain from the angle of those people who are using DCA on bitcoin, so actually there are people whom there monthly entry on bitcoin is not  up to $30 so actually even a 12 months is still nothing to give the person the kind of profit that would make them see that they have benefited on Bitcoin so actually is only when the person continue to hold will you see them having some profits, so yes long term holding is the answer.

[yixichloro2xx]

Traders think in terms of exit plan, yet of course, the employment of sustainable withdrawal is still a form of exit plan, but you really never need to exit, you just manage your withdrawals and make sure that you have enough bitcoin to start to have an income that is pretty much perpetual as long as you have accomplished your calculations accurately.

Exactly. The mindset shift from, when do I exit? to how do I sustainably withdraw? is powerful. Long term holders don’t necessarily need to fully exitthey just need a solid plan to manage their bitcoin in a way that funds their lifestyle while still preserving their stack.....It is more about strategic harvesting than cashing out completely.

If you are still in your BTC accumulation phase, selling (or trying to trade) is not a good strategy to assure that you are continuing to accumulate.  It also knocks you out of the accumulation mindset and puts you into a waiting mindset, which is likely not going to serve your abilities to accumulate enough or more than enough BTC.

Absolutely, once you switch from accumulation to trading or selling, your entire mindset shifts from building to timing.....And in that waiting mindset, many miss opportunities or fail to re enter properly..... Staying focused on consistent stacking helps you avoid emotional decisions and keeps your long term goal intact.....

[kanftka]

Surely there could be guys who are selling up to 10% of their BTC stash every time it doubles (and they don't have to wait for a doubling, they could sell 1% every time it goes up 10%), and maybe they started doing that several years ago.  As long as BTC continues going up, they are never going to run out of coins, and BTC keeps gaining in value more than the amounts of their sales.  This is price based sustainable withdrawal.

Yeah, this is exactly what i was trying to say. Some of these guys have been deep in the game since way back. So when someone like that decides to offload 1% here and there, it’s not because they’re bearish, it’s just part of the play. They must have been holding for 10+ years, so they have earned the right to take some chips off the table now and then.
They could also employ time based sustainable withdrawal.. for example to sell 10% of the dollar value of their stash every year based on the 200-WMA value.. and the 200-WMA is quite likely going up more than 10% per year. 

They could also employ time based sustainable withdrawal.. for example to sell 10% of the dollar value of their stash every year based on the 200-WMA value.. and the 200-WMA is quite likely going up more than 10% per year.

That 200 WMA method is actually smart. Most of us don’t even look at stuff like that, we are too focused on daily movement and hype. But if basing yearly sell on something solid like the 200 week average, which usually trends up anyway, then position is still been preserved while locking in value slowly. This seem like a chill, sustainable way to manage long term gains..

Hopefully you are buying and building and not just hodling.. but hey that is your choice..

Yeah no doubt, I’m definitely building too, doing it based on my financial strength right now and stacking what I can, been staying consistent lately and holding tight. Rn I see it as long term, trying not to rush things..

Guys frequently make mistakes of selling too much too soon and they also make mistakes of failing to continue to accumulate.  From my perspective HODL is good once you have enough or more than enough, but if you have not come close to that level of BTC accumulation, then you need to keep buying bitcoin consistently, persistently, ongoingly, regularly and perhaps even aggressively.. and don't get too worried about BTC price, especially in your first cycle of accumulating and maybe even in your first two cycles, depending on how much a guy had been able to accumulate in his first cycle of buying.

You’re absolutely right though, a lot of people either sell too early or stop buying too soon, and then they miss the full ride. For me, I know I’m still in my first real cycle, so I’m not letting price movements distract me. My goal now is to accumulate as much as I reasonably can without overextending, and just keep showing up. .

 

[Makus]

you are actually right,  Bitcoin isn’t just a trade it’s a mindset shift. Thinking long-term, even beyond 10 years, changes how you see value itself. It's not just about gains, it's about preservation and freedom from inflation. Just like we wouldn’t question saving gold or real estate for decades, Bitcoin should be treated the same if not more seriously in this digital age. Small, consistent moves now could mean long-term financial strength. The key? Patience and perspective.

You've made a great point, well comparing bitcoin to real estate and gold. Honestly the price of bitcoin is far more valuable than gold but gold has more market cap than bitcoin and that is because the old didn't have access to the Internet so they valued physical thing they can see and touch, though gold has several  lapses like weight especially when we are talking about large quantity. And these are some of the areas were bitcoin do better than and most especially the anonymity part, it helps people stay secured without anyone having a clue how much of bitcoin they have stored in their wallet. However for gold to get this value it is today is because of mass adoption and bitcoin is yet to experience that, though nothing is certain  here but if bitcoin gains world adoption then we might consider the current price as a dip in the future.

[Loyang]

It’s not entirely true. Bitcoin price is volatile so you can have profit as quickly as 1 day or shorter if you manage to purchase Bitcoin right before the price rally started.

It’s not necessarily true that you will only have profit on Bitcoin when holding long term while in fact Bitcoin price pump happened in spread time frame which means you can gain profit regardless how long or short you hold.

The price of Bitcoin is above $100,000 today. So what you mean is that the price of Bitcoin has not increased. Basically, the point is that we should never look at the price of Bitcoin and should always continue to buy. If you think that the price of Bitcoin has increased a lot, then you can never invest, so it is never right to look at the price of Bitcoin.

There is no guarantee that you will make a profit if you invest in Bitcoin. There are many risks in Bitcoin investment, but long-term investment is much less risky than short-term investment. If you can hold your saved Bitcoin for a long time, then you can make a profit.

[Tonimez]

When holding, we should target at least 4 to 10 years time so that we give enough time when possibly, we stand chances of making higher gains even though you are not obliged to sell off after this holding period too.

Even if you are mentioning 4-10 years or longer as a possible timeline to hold your bitcoin, you still seem to be thinking about bitcoin in terms of a trade rather than an investment since it seems to make little to no sense to build up a bitcoin investment in bitcoin and then transition into selling all of it.. but yeah, people have difficulties considering that they would continue to hold their bitcoin investment through their life, even if they might also be selling parts of it from time to time.

I am never going to refer to bitcoin as a trade commodity in the first place. Everyone is very entitled to his view which in the actual sense, not many newbies would admit till forever. As a Matt of fact, early emphasis on perpetual holding of bitcoin remains the best. However, when a beginner is introduced into bitcoin by a Trader, his attitude remains that of a Trader until he sees a different reason to have a rethink and take up the investment format.

I personally see bitcoin as a retirement plan in which, just like pensions, should not just be sold off completely after retirement but taken partly at the dire end to sustain oneself. In Holding of bitcoin also we should consider age of investors and/or active years of an investor. When all these are considered, then one can properly learn how to live off his bitcoin stash while he's still actively engaged and when he's finally retired, could possibly if need be, start leasing of partly and also continue investing if he eventually gets another source of income, possibly from any other additional side investments made during his active days.

[Edited out]

In fact, Bitcoin should not be considered as either a trading or investment asset, but rather as an asset that is a lot like holding gold in RESERVE
Because gold is an asset that increases in value over time 50 years from now, on the other hand, if we keep the money we traditionally keep in a bank for 50 years, that amount will decrease several times due to inflation.

No, I am not saying to people that put all their eggs in one basket. If someone wants, they can spend the minimum amount they can afford here like 10$ per week but that should be regularly, like we deposit our salary on banks.
And if people take Bitcoin as their strategic reserve in this way, then in the future they will be able to beat the inflation of the fiat currencies in their banks and will be economically strong.

And besides, it's not like a person can't take any other strategy separately rather investing $10. In addition to the weekly investment of $10, he can also make a 4-year to 10-year investment plan if he wants. 

Many world leaders are already planning with bitcoin making laws to allow them grow a bitcoin reserve. Individuals also who are into bitcoin investment is not left out. For a starter, who just joined the bitcoin investment, he should aim at never selling bitcoin for any reason. This does not mean an investor should die off while leaving his wallet full probably with our properly handing over to his next of kin. Many Bitcoins already are stucked in lost wallets, others are risking being stucked when investors in no more. So gradually selling off in part after retirement is not a bad option too.

you are actually right,  Bitcoin isn’t just a trade it’s a mindset shift. Thinking long-term, even beyond 10 years, changes how you see value itself. It's not just about gains, it's about preservation and freedom from inflation. Just like we wouldn’t question saving gold or real estate for decades, Bitcoin should be treated the same if not more seriously in this digital age. Small, consistent moves now could mean long-term financial strength. The key? Patience and perspective.

You've made a great point, well comparing bitcoin to real estate and gold. Honestly the price of bitcoin is far more valuable than gold but gold has more market cap than bitcoin and that is because the old didn't have access to the Internet so they valued physical thing they can see and touch, though gold has several  lapses like weight especially when we are talking about large quantity. And these are some of the areas were bitcoin do better than and most especially the anonymity part, it helps people stay secured without anyone having a clue how much of bitcoin they have stored in their wallet. However for gold to get this value it is today is because of mass adoption and bitcoin is yet to experience that, though nothing is certain  here but if bitcoin gains world adoption then we might consider the current price as a dip in the future.

You are not all wrong but the emphasis on world adoption first before the current price becomes a dip sounds like you still don't see bitcoin as a growing asset. Many world leaders are considering having bitcoin in their reserves, even though most have not kicked of it's buys, bitcoin price is still an all up deal. Private sectors holding bitcoin are not giving up on bitcoin and until we understand that bitcoin has come to stay and that it is already gaining a wider acceptance, we might continue loosing out on what it has to offer.

Every bitcoin price is a dip and the current price is not out of it.

[ultrloa]

It’s not entirely true. Bitcoin price is volatile so you can have profit as quickly as 1 day or shorter if you manage to purchase Bitcoin right before the price rally started.

It’s not necessarily true that you will only have profit on Bitcoin when holding long term while in fact Bitcoin price pump happened in spread time frame which means you can gain profit regardless how long or short you hold.

What you are saying is not true except that you have a trusted portfolio to give you the kind of profit you are saying on those rally, what they said about only getting profit in a long time is true, let me explain from the angle of those people who are using DCA on bitcoin, so actually there are people whom there monthly entry on bitcoin is not  up to $30 so actually even a 12 months is still nothing to give the person the kind of profit that would make them see that they have benefited on Bitcoin so actually is only when the person continue to hold will you see them having some profits, so yes long term holding is the answer.

The question there if they could really sustain those profit they get for doing day trades? Yeah sure they can earn with it for quiet sometime but the market volatility is traitor and one single bad movement of the market could ruin them instantly that's why trading would never be a best option to choose if they look forward for best result of their possible investment.

HODLING Bitcoin will always be the best option since you don't need to do other extra things and what you need to do is be consistent always on your accumulation. There's provably lot of things will happen on Bitcoin and people should not downplay its potential. To many good things happening now and that is good indicator that Bitcoin will became more bigger currency in future.

[Shadiq]

The price of Bitcoin is above $100,000 today. So what you mean is that the price of Bitcoin has not increased. Basically, the point is that we should never look at the price of Bitcoin and should always continue to buy. If you think that the price of Bitcoin has increased a lot, then you can never invest, so it is never right to look at the price of Bitcoin.

There is no guarantee that you will make a profit if you invest in Bitcoin. There are many risks in Bitcoin investment, but long-term investment is much less risky than short-term investment. If you can hold your saved Bitcoin for a long time, then you can make a profit.

Short-term investment is completely risky. Even there is an equal risk of profit and loss. Although there is no complete guarantee of profit in long-term investment. However, if you are successful in managing your investment in the long term with the right strategy and the right steps, then your chances of profit are higher. However, we cannot guarantee it right now.

Another thing is that many people pay more attention to the price of Bitcoin, which is unfair. Although it does not have much effect on experienced investors. But the effect of price volatility on new investors is becoming noticeable. So ignore the market volatility as much as possible and enter the investment as soon as possible if you have the ability.

[Wind_FURY]

If any pleb is selling his/her Bitcoin right now because "it's a good price", then let me tell you something. You're merely letting those billionaires win against you because you're giving away the only financial advantage you have against them - Your precious Bitcoin.

We have already front-ran them. Don't give them the opportunity to front-run YOU by selling now. Sell later, sell when it's in a seven figure price valuation, sell when Bitcoin has surged above Gold's total market value.

    

‎This is exactly the mindset needed right now. Too many retail investors are giving away their edge just because the price looks good. Meanwhile, institutions are stacking quietly, planning years ahead while some folks are still thinking in weeks.
‎
‎The fact that only 492,750 BTC is left to be mined in the next 3 years should be enough to wake people up. The supply squeeze is real, and once these entities lock up their bags, liquidity will vanish fast.
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‎Retail needs to stop being exit liquidity for billionaires. Accumulate with conviction, stay patient, and understand the game you are playing. We front-ran them once don’t hand it back on a silver platter.
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Our fellow plebs sell at current valuations because they're afraid to HODL througn the drawdowns of the bear market cycle. BUT with Bitcoin, it's OK because if you zoom out to the maximum, you as a HODLer will always outperform more than 90% of plebs who are trying to "trade".

HODL good assets such as Bitcoin, but avoid buying the DIPs of bad assets like shitcoins, and YOU will survive.

[Jostern]

When holding, we should target at least 4 to 10 years time so that we give enough time when possibly, we stand chances of making higher gains even though you are not obliged to sell off after this holding period too.

Even if you are mentioning 4-10 years or longer as a possible timeline to hold your bitcoin, you still seem to be thinking about bitcoin in terms of a trade rather than an investment since it seems to make little to no sense to build up a bitcoin investment in bitcoin and then transition into selling all of it.. but yeah, people have difficulties considering that they would continue to hold their bitcoin investment through their life, even if they might also be selling parts of it from time to time.

In fact, Bitcoin should not be considered as either a trading or investment asset, but rather as an asset that is a lot like holding gold in reserve.
Because gold is an asset that increases in value over time 50 years from now, on the other hand, if we keep the money we traditionally keep in a bank for 50 years, that amount will decrease several times due to inflation.

No, I am not saying to people that put all their eggs in one basket. If someone wants, they can spend the minimum amount they can afford here like 10$ per week but that should be regularly, like we deposit our salary on banks.
And if people take Bitcoin as their strategic reserve in this way, then in the future they will be able to beat the inflation of the fiat currencies in their banks and will be economically strong.

And besides, it's not like a person can't take any other strategy separately rather investing $10. In addition to the weekly investment of $10, he can also make a 4-year to 10-year investment plan if he wants.  

Even though I might not disagree with you (since we might be saying similar things, but just choosing different ways to say it), your description of how to consider bitcoin comes off as a bit strange the way that you described it and the way that I understood it.  

I don't really disagree  with the idea of building up wealth in bitcoin, and then when the wealth level gets up to a certain level it can start to be used to live off of, yet if a guy has other sources of income besides his bitcoin wealth then the bitcoin income (wealth) may well supplement his other kinds of income, to the extent that he might choose to draw from his bitcoin or just live completely off his other income and even build up his bitcoin holdings from his work-related income..

It seems to me that people are able to get to a sizable level of bitcoin wealth that they are able to live off of their bitcoin for the rest of their lives without working, yet at the same time, if they choose to work, then they could live off of that earned income first, and maybe continue to build up their bitcoin from that earned income in the event that they might want even more bitcoin to build up since the more bitcoin they accumulate, then the higher their level of sustained withdrawal could be from their bitcoin holdings at any time that they might chose not to work or might not need to earn income from work in order to sustain their chosen lifestyle - and sure hopefully if they are at a point in their lives of withdrawing from their bitcoin holdings, then they would be able to do it in a sustainable way, which largely means that their bitcoin is gaining in value at a faster rate than they are withdrawing from it.

I believe that as an investor in bitcoin we should have a means of survival, Come to think of it we need an income to even be investing in bitcoin because we world definitely have our discretionary income from our income to be able to sustain and live up our daily lives without thinking about having to live by our Bitcoin investment, living by our Bitcoin shouldn’t be considered in a long run of holding for a very long term purpose, even if we are able to get to a certain level in terms of our bitcoin stacking maybe we can decide to take a little profit but not only relying on our bitcoin for survival and feeding through it all the time and paying our bills.

At some point that we are building our bitcoin and we choose to build our portfolio in Bitcoin and you decide to build a means of wealth and I would call it a means of survival were someone can be able to go through live each of that would be quite considered as a means of livelihoods it might definitely affect our ability of building bitcoin, I wonder how we can be able to hold a bitcoin for a long term without tempering with the Bitcoin for survival, building a wealth in Bitcoin might be slightly more exaggerated because I really don’t believe in buying and investing in bitcoin as a means of livelihood. Everyone have their decisions when investing in bitcoin.

Well I think that some guys might actually feel comfortable with investing in bitcoin and making some livelihood with it, but i would say that if we’re able to have a different income we might not probably be thinking how to be surviving with our bitcoin investments and paying our expenses from it instead of holding on to it, but have an income would definitely help an investor to be able to sustain our bitcoin investment and building a successful portfolio, considering our retirement I believe there are income that comes with a retirement benefit as well so it should be normal to have a income to be complimenting our Bitcoin investment, profit might not be guaranteed in terms of investment in Bitcoin.

[amihada]

I believe that as an investor in bitcoin we should have a means of survival, Come to think of it we need an income to even be investing in bitcoin because we world definitely have our discretionary income from our income to be able to sustain and live up our daily lives without thinking about having to live by our Bitcoin investment, living by our Bitcoin shouldn’t be considered in a long run of holding for a very long term purpose, even if we are able to get to a certain level in terms of our bitcoin stacking maybe we can decide to take a little profit but not only relying on our bitcoin for survival and feeding through it all the time and paying our bills.

That's why it's highly discouraged to invest in Bitcoin using money you can't afford to lose or hot money, so you need to consider your financial capabilities and risk tolerance. In Bitcoin investment, not only does it generate profits, the risk of loss is also very large. You also need to avoid relying on investments that can increase the risk of loss due to allocating funds that make you feel anxious all the time due to being too worried about market value movements.

Relying on Bitcoin investment profits for daily living needs is not the right solution because Bitcoin never promises profits to every investor. You just need to set aside some money from your monthly salary to invest in Bitcoin periodically, then forget about it for the long term, that's how most whale make profits from Bitcoin investments.

[Silikiem]

When holding, we should target at least 4 to 10 years time so that we give enough time when possibly, we stand chances of making higher gains even though you are not obliged to sell off after this holding period too.

Even if you are mentioning 4-10 years or longer as a possible timeline to hold your bitcoin, you still seem to be thinking about bitcoin in terms of a trade rather than an investment since it seems to make little to no sense to build up a bitcoin investment in bitcoin and then transition into selling all of it.. but yeah, people have difficulties considering that they would continue to hold their bitcoin investment through their life, even if they might also be selling parts of it from time to time.

In fact, Bitcoin should not be considered as either a trading or investment asset, but rather as an asset that is a lot like holding gold in reserve.
Because gold is an asset that increases in value over time 50 years from now, on the other hand, if we keep the money we traditionally keep in a bank for 50 years, that amount will decrease several times due to inflation.

No, I am not saying to people that put all their eggs in one basket. If someone wants, they can spend the minimum amount they can afford here like 10$ per week but that should be regularly, like we deposit our salary on banks.
And if people take Bitcoin as their strategic reserve in this way, then in the future they will be able to beat the inflation of the fiat currencies in their banks and will be economically strong.

And besides, it's not like a person can't take any other strategy separately rather investing $10. In addition to the weekly investment of $10, he can also make a 4-year to 10-year investment plan if he wants.  

Even though I might not disagree with you (since we might be saying similar things, but just choosing different ways to say it), your description of how to consider bitcoin comes off as a bit strange the way that you described it and the way that I understood it.  

I don't really disagree  with the idea of building up wealth in bitcoin, and then when the wealth level gets up to a certain level it can start to be used to live off of, yet if a guy has other sources of income besides his bitcoin wealth then the bitcoin income (wealth) may well supplement his other kinds of income, to the extent that he might choose to draw from his bitcoin or just live completely off his other income and even build up his bitcoin holdings from his work-related income..

It seems to me that people are able to get to a sizable level of bitcoin wealth that they are able to live off of their bitcoin for the rest of their lives without working, yet at the same time, if they choose to work, then they could live off of that earned income first, and maybe continue to build up their bitcoin from that earned income in the event that they might want even more bitcoin to build up since the more bitcoin they accumulate, then the higher their level of sustained withdrawal could be from their bitcoin holdings at any time that they might chose not to work or might not need to earn income from work in order to sustain their chosen lifestyle - and sure hopefully if they are at a point in their lives of withdrawing from their bitcoin holdings, then they would be able to do it in a sustainable way, which largely means that their bitcoin is gaining in value at a faster rate than they are withdrawing from it.

Very real and I like the fact that you were able to analyze some sustainable bitcoin withdrawal methods which when practiced will not only be for an investors profit making but also it will add more value to their holdings instead of it reducing in value. The point is bitcoin is not a get rich quick investment, but it has a potential wealth for the future and at such anyone venturing into it and for the person to enjoy this potential wealth in the future and to be able to live off of your bitcoin investment incase the person doesn’t have any other means of earning should not embark on selling or trading especially if the accumulation target isn’t met yet. It is advisable you even get to your over accumulation stage and even more so, with additional 20-25% of your bitcoin Value before one can comfortably be able to withdraw or decide to sell part of his holdings without negatively affecting his investment. With the right approach and sustainable withdrawal method one can be able to withdraw from his bitcoin holdings and it will not negatively affect his portfolio instead it will increase in value.

[Salahmu]

It’s not entirely true. Bitcoin price is volatile so you can have profit as quickly as 1 day or shorter if you manage to purchase Bitcoin right before the price rally started.

It’s not necessarily true that you will only have profit on Bitcoin when holding long term while in fact Bitcoin price pump happened in spread time frame which means you can gain profit regardless how long or short you hold.

The price of Bitcoin is above $100,000 today. So what you mean is that the price of Bitcoin has not increased. Basically, the point is that we should never look at the price of Bitcoin and should always continue to buy. If you think that the price of Bitcoin has increased a lot, then you can never invest, so it is never right to look at the price of Bitcoin.

There is no guarantee that you will make a profit if you invest in Bitcoin. There are many risks in Bitcoin investment, but long-term investment is much less risky than short-term investment. If you can hold your saved Bitcoin for a long time, then you can make a profit.

I'm surprised with your misplacement of statements by using what another person said in place of my statement, this is very wrong, actually all this things you quoted under my name isn't what i said because I didn't actually agree on this, so I would advise you to edit this quote and either quote what I really said or to the person that actually said all this things, however I no that you are still new and hasn't understand everything but I would advise you learn how to reply or quote somebody accurately because it looks a bit odd when somebody will express an opinion and another person will remove all the person said and replace it with a different thing, try and slide a bit back you will see my opinion about this.

[yixichloro2xx]

If any pleb is selling his/her Bitcoin right now because "it's a good price", then let me tell you something. You're merely letting those billionaires win against you because you're giving away the only financial advantage you have against them - Your precious Bitcoin.

We have already front-ran them. Don't give them the opportunity to front-run YOU by selling now. Sell later, sell when it's in a seven figure price valuation, sell when Bitcoin has surged above Gold's total market value.

    

‎This is exactly the mindset needed right now. Too many retail investors are giving away their edge just because the price looks good. Meanwhile, institutions are stacking quietly, planning years ahead while some folks are still thinking in weeks.
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‎The fact that only 492,750 BTC is left to be mined in the next 3 years should be enough to wake people up. The supply squeeze is real, and once these entities lock up their bags, liquidity will vanish fast.
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‎Retail needs to stop being exit liquidity for billionaires. Accumulate with conviction, stay patient, and understand the game you are playing. We front-ran them once don’t hand it back on a silver platter.
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Our fellow plebs sell at current valuations because they're afraid to HODL througn the drawdowns of the bear market cycle. BUT with Bitcoin, it's OK because if you zoom out to the maximum, you as a HODLer will always outperform more than 90% of plebs who are trying to "trade".

HODL good assets such as Bitcoin, but avoid buying the DIPs of bad assets like shitcoins, and YOU will survive.

Well said, most plebs get shaken out because they can’t stomach the volatility so they sell low, buy high, and repeat. But zooming out shows the truth, patient HODLers of solid assets like Bitcoin consistently outperform short term traders chasing hype......The key is knowing what you hold, why you hold it, and having the conviction to ride out the cycles. Stay focused, avoid distractions, and DCA with clarity not emotion.

[EluguHcman]

It’s not entirely true. Bitcoin price is volatile so you can have profit as quickly as 1 day or shorter if you manage to purchase Bitcoin right before the price rally started.

It’s not necessarily true that you will only have profit on Bitcoin when holding long term while in fact Bitcoin price pump happened in spread time frame which means you can gain profit regardless how long or short you hold.

What you are saying is not true except that you have a trusted portfolio to give you the kind of profit you are saying on those rally, what they said about only getting profit in a long time is true, let me explain from the angle of those people who are using DCA on bitcoin, so actually there are people whom there monthly entry on bitcoin is not  up to $30 so actually even a 12 months is still nothing to give the person the kind of profit that would make them see that they have benefited on Bitcoin so actually is only when the person continue to hold will you see them having some profits, so yes long term holding is the answer.

Both of you opinions are still directing to one perception in the area of Short term profitability.
My contribution is that the crypto market is volatile and since we don't know when that rally that is to bring profits will happen, engaging on long term goal is what would assure investors the certainty of making profits.

And while we may also consider short term possibilities regardless of the volatility, the value of our portfolios should also be considered because it determines the rate of your profit which I am sure 1% of profit will not be enough when the value of our invested capital is insufficient to give us appreciable incomes.

While our discretionary incomes may not be sufficient that we can acquire a large amount of Bitcoin on our first and only entry to purchase the Bitcoin, there would be no choice than to engage on long term investment which discretionary incomes nomatter how little it may be will give us the opportunity to be accumulating little amount of Bitcoins on the DCA while the volatility market is revolved in the uncertainty in maximizing your profits.

[JayJuanGee]

Surely there could be guys who are selling up to 10% of their BTC stash every time it doubles (and they don't have to wait for a doubling, they could sell 1% every time it goes up 10%), and maybe they started doing that several years ago.  As long as BTC continues going up, they are never going to run out of coins, and BTC keeps gaining in value more than the amounts of their sales.  This is price based sustainable withdrawal.

Yeah, this is exactly what i was trying to say. Some of these guys have been deep in the game since way back. So when someone like that decides to offload 1% here and there, it’s not because they’re bearish, it’s just part of the play. They must have been holding for 10+ years, so they have earned the right to take some chips off the table now and then.
They could also employ time based sustainable withdrawal.. for example to sell 10% of the dollar value of their stash every year based on the 200-WMA value.. and the 200-WMA is quite likely going up more than 10% per year. 

They could also employ time based sustainable withdrawal.. for example to sell 10% of the dollar value of their stash every year based on the 200-WMA value.. and the 200-WMA is quite likely going up more than 10% per year.

That 200 WMA method is actually smart. Most of us don’t even look at stuff like that, we are too focused on daily movement and hype. But if basing yearly sell on something solid like the 200 week average, which usually trends up anyway, then position is still been preserved while locking in value slowly. This seem like a chill, sustainable way to manage long term gains..

Hopefully you are buying and building and not just hodling.. but hey that is your choice..

Yeah no doubt, I’m definitely building too, doing it based on my financial strength right now and stacking what I can, been staying consistent lately and holding tight. Rn I see it as long term, trying not to rush things..

Guys frequently make mistakes of selling too much too soon and they also make mistakes of failing to continue to accumulate.  From my perspective HODL is good once you have enough or more than enough, but if you have not come close to that level of BTC accumulation, then you need to keep buying bitcoin consistently, persistently, ongoingly, regularly and perhaps even aggressively.. and don't get too worried about BTC price, especially in your first cycle of accumulating and maybe even in your first two cycles, depending on how much a guy had been able to accumulate in his first cycle of buying.

You’re absolutely right though, a lot of people either sell too early or stop buying too soon, and then they miss the full ride. For me, I know I’m still in my first real cycle, so I’m not letting price movements distract me. My goal now is to accumulate as much as I reasonably can without overextending, and just keep showing up. .

It is likely going to take longer to build your holdings these days as compared with bitcoin historically, even 5 years ago, but it is not like we can turn back the clock or identify some bitcoin 2.0 to divert our capital into.  Bitcoin remains amongst the best, if not the best place to put time, energy and value, so in several senses, each of us just need to do what we can within our means to continue to accumulate bitcoin through ongoing buying techniques and perhaps from time to time make some reassessments regarding the extent to which we might need to change any aspects of our ongoing and persistent bitcoin accumulation through ongoing buying strategies.

When holding, we should target at least 4 to 10 years time so that we give enough time when possibly, we stand chances of making higher gains even though you are not obliged to sell off after this holding period too.

Even if you are mentioning 4-10 years or longer as a possible timeline to hold your bitcoin, you still seem to be thinking about bitcoin in terms of a trade rather than an investment since it seems to make little to no sense to build up a bitcoin investment in bitcoin and then transition into selling all of it.. but yeah, people have difficulties considering that they would continue to hold their bitcoin investment through their life, even if they might also be selling parts of it from time to time.

In fact, Bitcoin should not be considered as either a trading or investment asset, but rather as an asset that is a lot like holding gold in reserve.
Because gold is an asset that increases in value over time 50 years from now, on the other hand, if we keep the money we traditionally keep in a bank for 50 years, that amount will decrease several times due to inflation.

No, I am not saying to people that put all their eggs in one basket. If someone wants, they can spend the minimum amount they can afford here like 10$ per week but that should be regularly, like we deposit our salary on banks.
And if people take Bitcoin as their strategic reserve in this way, then in the future they will be able to beat the inflation of the fiat currencies in their banks and will be economically strong.

And besides, it's not like a person can't take any other strategy separately rather investing $10. In addition to the weekly investment of $10, he can also make a 4-year to 10-year investment plan if he wants.  

Even though I might not disagree with you (since we might be saying similar things, but just choosing different ways to say it), your description of how to consider bitcoin comes off as a bit strange the way that you described it and the way that I understood it.  

I don't really disagree  with the idea of building up wealth in bitcoin, and then when the wealth level gets up to a certain level it can start to be used to live off of, yet if a guy has other sources of income besides his bitcoin wealth then the bitcoin income (wealth) may well supplement his other kinds of income, to the extent that he might choose to draw from his bitcoin or just live completely off his other income and even build up his bitcoin holdings from his work-related income..

It seems to me that people are able to get to a sizable level of bitcoin wealth that they are able to live off of their bitcoin for the rest of their lives without working, yet at the same time, if they choose to work, then they could live off of that earned income first, and maybe continue to build up their bitcoin from that earned income in the event that they might want even more bitcoin to build up since the more bitcoin they accumulate, then the higher their level of sustained withdrawal could be from their bitcoin holdings at any time that they might chose not to work or might not need to earn income from work in order to sustain their chosen lifestyle - and sure hopefully if they are at a point in their lives of withdrawing from their bitcoin holdings, then they would be able to do it in a sustainable way, which largely means that their bitcoin is gaining in value at a faster rate than they are withdrawing from it.

Very real and I like the fact that you were able to analyze some sustainable bitcoin withdrawal methods which when practiced will not only be for an investors profit making but also it will add more value to their holdings instead of it reducing in value. The point is bitcoin is not a get rich quick investment, but it has a potential wealth for the future and at such anyone venturing into it and for the person to enjoy this potential wealth in the future and to be able to live off of your bitcoin investment incase the person doesn’t have any other means of earning should not embark on selling or trading especially if the accumulation target isn’t met yet. It is advisable you even get to your over accumulation stage and even more so, with additional 20-25% of your bitcoin Value before one can comfortably be able to withdraw or decide to sell part of his holdings without negatively affecting his investment. With the right approach and sustainable withdrawal method one can be able to withdraw from his bitcoin holdings and it will not negatively affect his portfolio instead it will increase in value.

I was not making my own systems of sustainable withdrawal, even if I have some ways of framing sustainable withdrawal that seems to be particularly applicable to sustainable bitcoin withdrawal.

Traditional sustainable withdrawal system have tended to allow 4% annual sustainable withdrawal with assumptions that on average your portfolio would perform at leas 4% or better.

I merely applied that to bitcoin and used the 200-WMA as the measure of value, since the 200-WMA tends to represent bottom prices, and also tends to ongoingly go up (and surely has way less volatility as compared with BTC spot prices). Another great thing about the 200-WMA is that it is a delayed indicator, which can give some confidence in regards to continuing to withdraw, yet if the spot BTC price starts to perform poorly in its relation to the 200-WMA, then we can maybe anticipate that the 200-WMA is going to start to go up more slowly in the future and/or that we might want to adjust our withdrawal rate based on the relationships of BTC prices as compared with the 200-WMA.. and it works in both directions to withdraw more slowly when the BTC prices are low as compared with the 200-WMA or to withdraw some months in advance if the BTC price is playing out as much higher than the 200-WMA.  I discuss these various considerations in my sustainable withdrawal thread.

[Frankolala]

I believe that as an investor in bitcoin we should have a means of survival, Come to think of it we need an income to even be investing in bitcoin because we world definitely have our discretionary income from our income to be able to sustain and live up our daily lives without thinking about having to live by our Bitcoin investment, living by our Bitcoin shouldn’t be considered in a long run of holding for a very long term purpose, even if we are able to get to a certain level in terms of our bitcoin stacking maybe we can decide to take a little profit but not only relying on our bitcoin for survival and feeding through it all the time and paying our bills.

That's why it's highly discouraged to invest in Bitcoin using money you can't afford to lose or hot money, so you need to consider your financial capabilities and risk tolerance. In Bitcoin investment, not only does it generate profits, the risk of loss is also very large. You also need to avoid relying on investments that can increase the risk of loss due to allocating funds that make you feel anxious all the time due to being too worried about market value movements.

Relying on Bitcoin investment profits for daily living needs is not the right solution because Bitcoin never promises profits to every investor. You just need to set aside some money from your monthly salary to invest in Bitcoin periodically, then forget about it for the long term, that's how most whale make profits from Bitcoin investments.

You don't just set some part of your monthly income to invest into bitcoin but you are to make sure that you are setting some part of your discretionary income which is the extra cash that is left after you have taken care of your monthly expenses and basic needs.  So that, you can know if you have discretionary income or not and you shouldn't use more than your discretionary income to invest in order to gambling with your bitcoin investment. This is why it's important for new investors to figure out the right amount from their discretionary income that they can use to buy bitcoin with ease and forget about the money while there bitcoin portfolio keep on increasing overtime.

No matter how little the money is even though it's $10, let it be your priority to keep your DCA ongoing for 4-10 years and above, you will be surprised at the quantity of bitcoin that you have acquired. Bitcoin investment is not a regular business that you buy and sell every day for profit to take care of your family. Bitcoin investment is only to keep on buying without selling for the future, so that you don't have to overwork yourself and depend on your pension only for survival. This is why it's worth doing well for our own future benefits.

[Derekfunds]

It’s not entirely true. Bitcoin price is volatile so you can have profit as quickly as 1 day or shorter if you manage to purchase Bitcoin right before the price rally started.

It’s not necessarily true that you will only have profit on Bitcoin when holding long term while in fact Bitcoin price pump happened in spread time frame which means you can gain profit regardless how long or short you hold.

The price of Bitcoin is above $100,000 today. So what you mean is that the price of Bitcoin has not increased. Basically, the point is that we should never look at the price of Bitcoin and should always continue to buy. If you think that the price of Bitcoin has increased a lot, then you can never invest, so it is never right to look at the price of Bitcoin.

There is no guarantee that you will make a profit if you invest in Bitcoin. There are many risks in Bitcoin investment, but long-term investment is much less risky than short-term investment. If you can hold your saved Bitcoin for a long time, then you can make a profit.

You are complicating matters here dude, you just said there is not guarantee that one will make profit if they invest in Bitcoin and you are at same time saying that if we invest and hold for long that we will make profit. For your information I am not investing in Bitcoin because Bitcoin investment is guarantee rather I am investing because I believe in Bitcoin potential, I mean Bitcoin has proven itself several times and it will be unwise for me not to invest in Bitcoin at this early stage of it when I have what it takes to be DCAing even though it is not big enough but so long as it is convenient for me I'm good, just speaking for myself though, don't know why other people are Investing.