Buy the DIP, and HODL!

[Bluedrem]

Yes, investing in BTC is indeed very risky, and of course, there is no guarantee that we will make a profit by investing in BTC for the long term. However, in my opinion, there is no harm in investing in BTC for the long term as long as the money invested in BTC is money that we are prepared to lose or discretionary income. So, before investing in BTC, we must prepare mentally to accept that we may not get what we want in the future. However, the reality is that up to now, many people who have invested in BTC for the long term have been fortunate, while those who have not been fortunate are those who were not strong enough to hold onto BTC for the long term and sold it at a low price. And usually, those who tend to lose money in BTC are those who are not interested in long-term investment because they prefer trading.

What type of investment is not risky? If you invest in gold or silver as a physical asset, you can lose it or it can be stolen. If you invest in real estate, your construction can be destroyed. If you buy shares, your investment can be eroded due to the destruction of shares. To be honest, there is no guarantee of a person's life, so investment can never be guaranteed. But what we can do is invest in low-risk things. I cannot agree with your opinion on investing in Bitcoin. I never think that Bitcoin is a very risky long-term investment. Rather, Bitcoin is safer and more profitable than other investments in the long term. If you think about the last 10 years, the matter will be clear to you. Also, in the future, the world will be technology-dependent, and digital assets will be used the most, in which case Bitcoin, the first and most decentralized currency established as a digital currency, will be used the most. Also, Bitcoin provides a person with financial freedom because it is not controlled by anyone. So I think that investing in Bitcoin in the long term is not risky, but rather more profitable and less risky than other investments.

[Olatundespo]

I don't understand why people talk about volatility when it comes to Bitcoin, it's only short term traders that should complain about volatility because if you are a long term Bitcoin holder I don't think you should be worried about volatility because on a 5 years chart Bitcoin is doing very well, so people complain about volatility because they are looking for quick gains, if you are a Bitcoin holder for the past 10 years you will understand what am saying...

Volatility is one essential features of bitcoin that makes it unique, because without it volatility, bitcoin would have not been different from the fiat currency, and we wouldn't be here, discussing about it since their would have been no potential of it appreciating in value overtime.
So why would traders or investors be pissed about it?

Without it, even traders wouldn't be trading it because it value wouldn't be go back and forth, and  investors wouldn't be  putting money in it, since no possibility of it appreciate, so we should see it volatility as the primary reason we are here, since it's the unique features of bitcoin that makes traders and investors makes money from it.

I think about Bitcoin price volatility differently. As you have considered this feature as an example to differentiate it from fiat. I think investors who accumulate Bitcoin through DCA strategy are able to reap more benefits due to price volatility. There should be a continuous effort to buy through discretionary income regardless of the price during the fluctuations of Bitcoin price and this is one of the strategies for investors to maintain balance with volatile price conditions. You just need to have the discretionary incom and patience to run DCA for the long term.

Volatility is not the only reason for Bitcoin price increase, the unique characteristics of this asset have had a huge impact on the price increase. Bitcoin limited supply and decentralized management are considered key factors in being a store of value. Price volatility is a significant feature but investors can increase Bitcoin holdings by considering dips as aggressive periods.

[Merit.s]

In the case of investing in Bitcoin, the first risk is from the first decision that a person will invest with a part of his income. If that person does not have money outside the necessary expenses and he starts investing with his poor income flow, then he has started investing in a very risky way which can cause big losses for him in the future. If someone does not create a strong back up fund and neglects it, then he has started investing in a risky way in the case of long-term investment. The difference between trading and investing in Bitcoin is understood because of all these correct plans. Volatility never works against us. If we can make our investment METHOD in correct way, the risk will be reduced and the fluctuations in the price of Bitcoin will not be able to control us.

Anyone investing without a discretionary income is only gambling and will sell his bitcoin when his needs arise at loss if the market is below his entry point. There's no need investing without a discretionary income so that you don't put yourself into more frustration.

You don't need to have a strong backup funds on ground before you can start your bitcoin investment. If you have figured out your discretionary income, you can start investing right away, and build up your emergency funds and other backup funds along side as you are investing which is simultaneously with your bitcoin investment. Your emergency funds should be at least three months of your expenses before you channel the money to build your reserve funds.

Bitcoin volatillity is what's attracting more investors into adoption because bitcoin is a store of value overtime.

[Silverstonez]

Yes, investing in BTC is indeed very risky, and of course, there is no guarantee that we will make a profit by investing in BTC for the long term.

I can see that your understanding of Bitcoin is very sloppy, if not you should have be more reasonable and more realistic here, and for that reason alone am not following your point, because investing in bitcoin is not risky as you claim, but less risky compared to investing in other shitcoins and trading as well. And in that aspect of guarantee I think there is some confusion here, because when you invest in Bitcoin the appropriate way and with Long term mindset, and you protect your Bitcoin investment from get stolen, and you didn't sell your Bitcoin portfolio out of panic and fear, them am pretty sure that your profits are guarantee, because Bitcoin is already a trust worthy project that cannot fail, so it potentials returns are guarantee if you Play your own part well.

[Akaenyi]

Yes, investing in BTC is indeed very risky, and of course, there is no guarantee that we will make a profit by investing in BTC for the long term. However, in my opinion, there is no harm in investing in BTC for the long term as long as the money invested in BTC is money that we are prepared to lose or discretionary income. So, before investing in BTC, we must prepare mentally to accept that we may not get what we want in the future. However, the reality is that up to now, many people who have invested in BTC for the long term have been fortunate, while those who have not been fortunate are those who were not strong enough to hold onto BTC for the long term and sold it at a low price. And usually, those who tend to lose money in BTC are those who are not interested in long-term investment because they prefer trading.

What type of investment is not risky? If you invest in gold or silver as a physical asset, you can lose it or it can be stolen. If you invest in real estate, your construction can be destroyed. If you buy shares, your investment can be eroded due to the destruction of shares. To be honest, there is no guarantee of a person's life, so investment can never be guaranteed. But what we can do is invest in low-risk things. I cannot agree with your opinion on investing in Bitcoin. I never think that Bitcoin is a very risky long-term investment. Rather, Bitcoin is safer and more profitable than other investments in the long term. If you think about the last 10 years, the matter will be clear to you. Also, in the future, the world will be technology-dependent, and digital assets will be used the most, in which case Bitcoin, the first and most decentralized currency established as a digital currency, will be used the most. Also, Bitcoin provides a person with financial freedom because it is not controlled by anyone. So I think that investing in Bitcoin in the long term is not risky, but rather more profitable and less risky than other investments.

There is no investment that is totally risk free, so far there is profit and lose in it one of them will happen, this is why we need to know the level of risks before investing. If you research Bitcoin history you will understand that it's level of risk is very low and that happens only when you sell prematurely. If you understand Bitcoin pattern that the longer you hodl it you will bypass a lot of dip and uptrend then always arrive at an ATH. This is why it is a store of value and investors are willing to accumulate and hold believing that the circle of reaching ATH will always continue.

Another assurance for us that Bitcoin is a low risk investment is that it has limited supply which in economics principle means that it will always be scarce at some point which will skyrocket price to reach new heights. Bitcoin adoption is getting more stronger and as long as majority of the holders don't dump their stash on the market it will always have minimal risks.

[Derekfunds]

If you don't have much knowledge about trading, then never trade. Because if you are ignorant, then you will lose more than that. Not everyone can profit in trading, because trading is not as easy as we think. But if you think that you are ready to lose your money and learn, then you can trade. Basically, you have to be ready for the pressure of losing your money.

I have heard many people who used to trade before, but when they realized that trading is almost a matter of knowledge and experience. Then they started investing in Bitcoin. So my advice is to invest in Bitcoin regularly and systematically for a long time. You can also profittet from future  this investment at a rate of 20%, if you can invest for 1-2 cycles. Investing in Bitcoin will be sustainable only when you invest for a long time. Trading makes sense only when you are experienced. But you don't need to know much to invest in Bitcoin, an investor learns everything slowly over time

I do not even see reasons why you all are trying to paint trading to look good.. trying to push the notion that “only do it when you have the knowledge”.. But I won’t lie, that is still sick for me, I wouldn’t want to gambling with my money with trading, knowing fully well that I do not have the ability to predict the next move of the chart..

So why will I do that, when I can just keep accumulating Bitcoin and trying to build my holdings, Guys, it all depends on your preference and view though, because obviously I can’t change anybody’s mindset..
But my advice is to just stay away, so you can have peace..

Most investors buy in one go with the hope that the price will increase and their investment will turn into a profit over time. But if the price decreases, it can be disappointing, especially if the investor bought at the top of the market and has to wait a long time to make a profit. In this case, the best method to deal with this risk is DCA, where one can buy Bitcoin in stages on a regular basis. This allows one to invest at an average price, reducing the market fluctuations and not having to worry about the time to enter the market. A safe and sustainable way for new investors is to buy Bitcoin in stages instead of or in addition to a large one-time purchase. It is possible to build a stable Bitcoin holding by saving some capital for DCA on a weekly or monthly basis.

How will you call people with this kind of mindset an investor, you are mistaken traders to investors that is not cool you know?  because an investor can never buy or purchase Bitcoin and be waiting for a price appreciation to sell off no that is pure trader and yea, some traders disguise as an investor but deep down they actually fooling themselves because they will be the one that will incur loss later and not us. Targeting to buy low and hoping to sell when the price goes up is trading, an investor can not be disappointed if they purchased Bitcoin and the price doesn't go up suddenly because they are always in for long term holding.

[Joeboy]

You partially manage the risk by choosing your investment size and investing an amount that you are willing to lose if need be... but if you are planning to invest in the long term, such as 4-10 years or longer, then any purchase that you make, you have an expectation that somewhere down the road, 4-10 years or longer, you have decently good odds that that the bitcoin that you bought 4-10 years or longer (earlier) has a lower price than the then current price.

What you said makes a lot of sense. We do not have control over the short term performance of the market, we only have control over the amount that we are willing to put into Bitcoin...We can manage part of the risk by buying Bitcoin with our discretionary income, as well as that amount that is within our capacity. Doing so ensure that there will be lesser level of stress and pressure of reacting emotionally during price fluctuations.

And also those folks who focus on the long term are those who aren't after quick profits, they are rather aware of the volatility in Bitcoin and as such are ready to hold and keep buying without minding the  price fluctuation.  This behavior is what separates investors form traders..

[Chainspector]

Yes, investing in BTC is indeed very risky, and of course, there is no guarantee that we will make a profit by investing in BTC for the long term. However, in my opinion, there is no harm in investing in BTC for the long term as long as the money invested in BTC is money that we are prepared to lose or discretionary income. So, before investing in BTC, we must prepare mentally to accept that we may not get what we want in the future. However, the reality is that up to now, many people who have invested in BTC for the long term have been fortunate, while those who have not been fortunate are those who were not strong enough to hold onto BTC for the long term and sold it at a low price. And usually, those who tend to lose money in BTC are those who are not interested in long-term investment because they prefer trading.

The idea that investing in BTC is very risky and saying that there is no guarantee in making profit by investing long term is completely false and misleading.

I will like to firstly mention that Risk is the probability of your investment going to zero. If you know that the price of Bitcoin might drop 30% in a month but historical data shows it usually recovers and hits a new All-Time High (ATH) within a cycle, that’s just a "sale," not a risk. You should not be scared of every volatile price move especially when it dips, smart money talkers DCA into it. Instead of crashing out each time you see Bitcoin price falling, you should be interested in stacking up on your buys. If the volatility is expected, it becomes a known variable to be managed, not a random risk to be feared.

Long term Hodling is the only guarantee in Bitcoin investment I tell you for free. Consistency and time tells this difference. You will want to know that people who invested (kept buying the dip) and held on to their positions for long or for at least one full cycle significantly minimized their exposure to loss of capital. In fact during the period the price of Bitcoin is likely to surpass the average cost of their buys.

[JayJuanGee]

There is no certainty about this because we must remember that bitcoin is risky and whether or not the results are the best or not, we ourselves determine whether we are willing to be at risk and ready for all forms of consequences or not.
Being in bitcoin is indeed very profitable but not all who are in bitcoin will end well so this needs to be a consideration for those who want to be in bitcoin in order to prepare mentally in advance before really jumping in because not a few of those who are fomo but have a bad mentality actually have to end up with destruction in the end.

In addition, long-term investment does not make sure that we will profit especially when talking about the risks that are owned in bitcoin. We must remember that being in the long term in bitcoin is actually only to minimize risk not as a benchmark in profit even though the hope remains to profit but in bitcoin nothing can really be ascertained considering this is a risky asset.

Yes, investing in BTC is indeed very risky, and of course, there is no guarantee that we will make a profit by investing in BTC for the long term. However, in my opinion, there is no harm in investing in BTC for the long term as long as the money invested in BTC is money that we are prepared to lose or discretionary income. So, before investing in BTC, we must prepare mentally to accept that we may not get what we want in the future. However, the reality is that up to now, many people who have invested in BTC for the long term have been fortunate, while those who have not been fortunate are those who were not strong enough to hold onto BTC for the long term and sold it at a low price. And usually, those who tend to lose money in BTC are those who are not interested in long-term investment because they prefer trading.

The risk in BTC is not much compare to investing in shitcoins there is less risk in investing in bitcoin for a long term. No investment is risk free including BTC investment you have already said it that nothing is guaranteed in the market and that's it we can loss at the end we can also win at the end that's why when investing it should be with our discretionary income since it's what we can afford to loss, but from the movement of bitcoin those who started buying 5 years ago who didn't sell will be in profit as at now so there can be profit if we buy BTC and hodl for long.

If someone started investing $100 per week 5 years ago, then surely their earlier purchases of bitcoin would be more profitable than their later purchases, and perhaps they would have had invested around $26k until now and accumulated around 0.65 BTC.  They have not really resolved anything by merely being in profits and even if they are in profits, wouldn't they need to continue buying bitcoin?  Do they have enough?

What kind of goals would someone in such a position have?  How much BTC would they want to achieve?  and by when would they want to achieve their goals?

I am surely not suggesting that there is any disadvantage to having had been buying bitcoin for the last 5 years, and on the contrary, a person who is in such a position to have had been buying bitcoin for the past 5 years is likely in a much better position financially and psychologically for having had been investing in bitcoin for the past 5 years as compared with if they had not been buying bitcoin in the last 5 years, yet how far along are they in their bitcoin investment journey?  They are likely not even half way down the road of their bitcoin investment journey. 

We might even presume that over the past 5-ish years, such a person might have had been able to increase the amount that they were investing into bitcoin each week.  They might have had received bonuses from time to time in which they bought more bitcoin.  They might have had strengthened their cashflow management systems/practices too in the past 5-ish years, including the back up funds that they have in place to protect their bitcoin investment. 

They may or may not be in a situation in which their income is increasing, so we get back to individual particulars that make a difference if we are talking about what if anything such a person who has been investing in bitcoin for the past 5 years might do to tweak what they are doing in regards to their bitcoin buying and/or their cashflow management practices.

Risk and volatility are not the same thing.
I do like to say that one of the most inevitable things about bitcoin is its volatility, so if we know that volatility is inevitable, then doesn't a known factor become less of a risk?

I think equating volatility to risk is a sloppy way of talking about risk.

By the way if we already know that bitcoin's price is very volatile, then there should be ways that we can deal with that, which would include creating a budget that accounts for such volatility (so then whether we invest $40 per week, $100 per week or some other amount, then the amount that we choose may well relate to our thoughts about bitcoin's volatility), right?

You are right JJG . Bitcoin's volatility is a feature where it does not depend on the actions of the investor. the risk depends on how the person is investing. Volatility means the fluctuation of the price of Bitcoin and risk means the possibility of permanent loss, it may be forced to sell at the wrong time, not being able to invest for a long time. In the case of investing in Bitcoin, the first risk is from the first decision that a person will invest with a part of his income. If that person does not have money outside the necessary expenses and he starts investing with his poor income flow, then he has started investing in a very risky way which can cause big losses for him in the future. If someone does not create a strong back up fund and neglects it, then he has started investing in a risky way in the case of long-term investment. The difference between trading and investing in Bitcoin is understood because of all these correct plans. Volatility never works against us. If we can make our investment METHOD in correct way, the risk will be reduced and the fluctuations in the price of Bitcoin will not be able to control us.

I am not suggesting that guys will not be negatively affected by bitcoin's volatility, either financially or psychologically, yet if we know that volatility is ongoing, then we can choose our bitcoin position size in order to attempt to account for such known ongoing volatility.  Maybe if we keep investing in bitcoin on a weekly basis, it might take 3 years or 5  years or maybe even longer before our bitcoin holdings are in profits, and surely it can be stressful to go through that, yet going through unknown levels of profitability does not necessarily mean that bitcoin is a bad place to invest, and many of us can see that historically bitcoin has been one the better (if not best?) of places to put value in the past 4-10 years and longer.. and mostly the longer a person has been in bitcoin, then the better off his holdings as long as he has been mostly buying and holding and not trying to trade (or sell) his bitcoin. 

The future does not guarantee the same results, even though many folks consider bitcoin to continue to be amongst the better of places to put time, energy and value.  Having a long term investment timeline such as 4-10 years or longer helps, yet it does not guarantee that we will be in profits within our investment timeline.

[Silikiem]

Yes, investing in BTC is indeed very risky, and of course, there is no guarantee that we will make a profit by investing in BTC for the long term.

I can see that your understanding of Bitcoin is very sloppy, if not you should have be more reasonable and more realistic here, and for that reason alone am not following your point, because investing in bitcoin is not risky as you claim, but less risky compared to investing in other shitcoins and trading as well. And in that aspect of guarantee I think there is some confusion here, because when you invest in Bitcoin the appropriate way and with Long term mindset, and you protect your Bitcoin investment from get stolen, and you didn't sell your Bitcoin portfolio out of panic and fear, them am pretty sure that your profits are guarantee, because Bitcoin is already a trust worthy project that cannot fail, so it potentials returns are guarantee if you Play your own part well.

You need to be very careful not to be too over confident about a highly volatile asset as bitcoin because you might end up getting disappointed. When they say nothing is guaranteed in bitcoin, it is as a result of its volatile nature. Truly nothing is guaranteed In bitcoin investment and at the same time everything is possible here too. Bitcoin have every potential to become very profitable in the future and also it have every potential of not giving you the profit you really desire, it’s a two way thing.

[PhilosopherKing]

Yes, investing in BTC is indeed very risky, and of course, there is no guarantee that we will make a profit by investing in BTC for the long term.

I can see that your understanding of Bitcoin is very sloppy, if not you should have be more reasonable and more realistic here, and for that reason alone am not following your point, because investing in bitcoin is not risky as you claim, but less risky compared to investing in other shitcoins and trading as well. And in that aspect of guarantee I think there is some confusion here, because when you invest in Bitcoin the appropriate way and with Long term mindset, and you protect your Bitcoin investment from get stolen, and you didn't sell your Bitcoin portfolio out of panic and fear, them am pretty sure that your profits are guarantee, because Bitcoin is already a trust worthy project that cannot fail, so it potentials returns are guarantee if you Play your own part well.

I don't think there is any sloppiness in his reasoning, seems like you are the one who is confused here. What he sayed is plain simple, There isn't any investment that is without its risk and yeah that also includes BTC. Bitcoin may have exceeded most of our expectations, infact alot profited from it in the past but that doesn't mean that everyone who invested in it presently will get to profit in the long term. Those who buy Bitcoin with their main income and not their discretionary income or get sloppy with their plans can kiss their profits goodbye.

[Furious 7]

I think if bitcoin wasn’t volatile, so many people would have have a steady budget of how to invest and manage their bitcoin portfolio, but I feel that the uncertainty that surrounds bitcoin has made the market more interesting and viable.

It can take a long time to figure out if the patience, persistence, consistency, regularity had ended up paying off, and surely any of the guys who had been in bitcoin for a while, they will start to feel more comfortable when their average costs per coin is seeming to be quite a bit lower than the fluctuations in the spot price.

It's going to take time but as we've been at it for at least the last few years I think we know and feel that our patience and persistence has paid off.
Although maybe for this aspect we only just got a few percent profit (even much bigger) for a temporary size in the investments we have made in the last few years but it is already visible that profits are in sight, it's just how to manage our patience, persistence and greed because in this case most of them especially the fomo always try to leave when the profit is only a few percent. If it is a long-term goal, it is clear that things like this are not too advisable, especially since there is no guarantee that after leaving we can re-enter easily and this is where our patience is tested.

[durg0319]

Yes, investing in BTC is indeed very risky, and of course, there is no guarantee that we will make a profit by investing in BTC for the long term.

I can see that your understanding of Bitcoin is very sloppy, if not you should have be more reasonable and more realistic here, and for that reason alone am not following your point, because investing in bitcoin is not risky as you claim, but less risky compared to investing in other shitcoins and trading as well. And in that aspect of guarantee I think there is some confusion here, because when you invest in Bitcoin the appropriate way and with Long term mindset, and you protect your Bitcoin investment from get stolen, and you didn't sell your Bitcoin portfolio out of panic and fear, them am pretty sure that your profits are guarantee, because Bitcoin is already a trust worthy project that cannot fail, so it potentials returns are guarantee if you Play your own part well.

even if Bitcoin is more solid than most coins, calling it guaranteed can still mislead people. Bitcoin reduces risk, it does not remove it completely. Long term holding helps a lot, yes, but price swings, personal mistakes, and life needs still exist. Many people lose not because Bitcoin failed, but because plans changed or discipline broke. Bitcoin rewards patience and responsibility, not blind confidence. Understanding both its strength and its limits keeps expectations realistic and decisions calmer.
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[Lembo69]

It's going to take time but as we've been at it for at least the last few years I think we know and feel that our patience and persistence has paid off.
Although maybe for this aspect we only just got a few percent profit (even much bigger) for a temporary size in the investments we have made in the last few years but it is already visible that profits are in sight, it's just how to manage our patience, persistence and greed because in this case most of them especially the fomo always try to leave when the profit is only a few percent. If it is a long-term goal, it is clear that things like this are not too advisable, especially since there is no guarantee that after leaving we can re-enter easily and this is where our patience is tested.

It is true that there are many fearful people who want to get out of the market as soon as they get a few percent profit. They think that if they get a profit now, they may not get even that much later. Due to this fear, they withdraw with small profits. But personally, I find this quite unreasonable.
Because a recession can occur in the market, it is normal. But a recession does not last forever. It has never been seen in history that the market has remained down forever. Again, no one knows for sure when a recession will come or when the market will rise again. Still, some people get scared and sell everything in advance, which is really surprising to see.
Later, when the market turns around again, don't those who got out with a small profit regret it? Don't they think that if they were a little more patient, they could have made a better profit? Many times, even after having this regret, they do not return to investing, just for the fear of what will happen if they get scared again.

Even after everything is so clear, if someone does not understand the market cycle, if they do not know that the price of Bitcoin is likely to increase again when the cycle ends, then how will they invest? And how will they plan for the long term?
For those who are afraid, the only thing they need to do is be patient. As the saying goes, all that matters is to be patient. So if you expect a good outcome, then the most important thing is to survive in Bitcoin in the long term. And only if you can survive will you understand that your perseverance has been successful.

[KeenanEl19]

That is why I agree that trading is not for everyone..

If you don't have much knowledge about trading, then never trade. Because if you are ignorant, then you will lose more than that. Not everyone can profit in trading, because trading is not as easy as we think. But if you think that you are ready to lose your money and learn, then you can trade. Basically, you have to be ready for the pressure of losing your money.

I have heard many people who used to trade before, but when they realized that trading is almost a matter of knowledge and experience. Then they started investing in Bitcoin. So my advice is to invest in Bitcoin regularly and systematically for a long time. You can also profittet from future  this investment at a rate of 20%, if you can invest for 1-2 cycles. Investing in Bitcoin will be sustainable only when you invest for a long time. Trading makes sense only when you are experienced. But you don't need to know much to invest in Bitcoin, an investor learns everything slowly over time

Of course, everything has its own risks, whether it's investing or trading. Investing in Bitcoin itself may not require much knowledge, but there are many things to consider and prepare before investing.
In my own experience, a lack of funding, such as savings or an emergency fund, ultimately hampered my Bitcoin investment.

So, before investing in Bitcoin, it's a good idea to prepare for the essentials, such as an emergency fund, which is intended to cover sudden problems, including savings.

[Derekfunds]

Yes, investing in BTC is indeed very risky, and of course, there is no guarantee that we will make a profit by investing in BTC for the long term.

I can see that your understanding of Bitcoin is very sloppy, if not you should have be more reasonable and more realistic here, and for that reason alone am not following your point, because investing in bitcoin is not risky as you claim, but less risky compared to investing in other shitcoins and trading as well. And in that aspect of guarantee I think there is some confusion here, because when you invest in Bitcoin the appropriate way and with Long term mindset, and you protect your Bitcoin investment from get stolen, and you didn't sell your Bitcoin portfolio out of panic and fear, them am pretty sure that your profits are guarantee, because Bitcoin is already a trust worthy project that cannot fail, so it potentials returns are guarantee if you Play your own part well.

even if Bitcoin is more solid than most coins, calling it guaranteed can still mislead people. Bitcoin reduces risk, it does not remove it completely. Long term holding helps a lot, yes, but price swings, personal mistakes, and life needs still exist. Many people lose not because Bitcoin failed, but because plans changed or discipline broke. Bitcoin rewards patience and responsibility, not blind confidence. Understanding both its strength and its limits keeps expectations realistic and decisions calmer.
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You seems confused and you are discouraging yourself and newbie not to invest in Bitcoin and thinking you are saying the right thing, maybe you have forgotten that as an investor you don't have any business with how market move so why talking about price swing as an investor? It is pretty obvious you don't have an idea on what Bitcoin is all about and how investors should follow it. Before someone will start Bitcoin investment journey that person should have the basic knowledge of what Bitcoin is and you don't need strength to invest what you need is your discretionary.

[Grace333]

Yes, investing in BTC is indeed very risky, and of course, there is no guarantee that we will make a profit by investing in BTC for the long term.

I can see that your understanding of Bitcoin is very sloppy, if not you should have be more reasonable and more realistic here, and for that reason alone am not following your point, because investing in bitcoin is not risky as you claim, but less risky compared to investing in other shitcoins and trading as well. And in that aspect of guarantee I think there is some confusion here, because when you invest in Bitcoin the appropriate way and with Long term mindset, and you protect your Bitcoin investment from get stolen, and you didn't sell your Bitcoin portfolio out of panic and fear, them am pretty sure that your profits are guarantee, because Bitcoin is already a trust worthy project that cannot fail, so it potentials returns are guarantee if you Play your own part well.

even if Bitcoin is more solid than most coins, calling it guaranteed can still mislead people. Bitcoin reduces risk, it does not remove it completely. Long term holding helps a lot, yes, but price swings, personal mistakes, and life needs still exist. Many people lose not because Bitcoin failed, but because plans changed or discipline broke. Bitcoin rewards patience and responsibility, not blind confidence. Understanding both its strength and its limits keeps expectations realistic and decisions calmer.
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You are right, and this is the part many people miss. Bitcoin is solid, yes, but calling it guaranteed is where the problem starts. It has lower risk yes, but it doesn’t completely erase it. Price swings are still there, life still happens, and people still make mistakes.

Most losses do not come because Bitcoin failed. They happen like you said when plans change, discipline slips, or someone invests more than they can comfortably hold through a long period. Long term holding helps a lot, but only when it is held with patience.

[Qhunman]

You seems confused and you are discouraging yourself and newbie not to invest in Bitcoin and thinking you are saying the right thing, maybe you have forgotten that as an investor you don't have any business with how market move so why talking about price swing as an investor? It is pretty obvious you don't have an idea on what Bitcoin is all about and how investors should follow it. Before someone will start Bitcoin investment journey that person should have the basic knowledge of what Bitcoin is and you don't need strength to invest what you need is your discretionary.

I am pretty sure he is a trader that times the market to buy bitcoin,otherwise he shouldn't have any business with price swings or price fluctuation . Instead he should focus on having discretionary income that he would used to invest in bitcoin. Investing in bitcoin should only be when he has met all of his basic needs, and the leftover cash is his discretionary income which should be use to invest in bitcoin. Investing using DCA would make his investment be stress free and he wouldn't have business with timing the market anymore.

[JayJuanGee]

I think if bitcoin wasn’t volatile, so many people would have have a steady budget of how to invest and manage their bitcoin portfolio, but I feel that the uncertainty that surrounds bitcoin has made the market more interesting and viable.

It can take a long time to figure out if the patience, persistence, consistency, regularity had ended up paying off, and surely any of the guys who had been in bitcoin for a while, they will start to feel more comfortable when their average costs per coin is seeming to be quite a bit lower than the fluctuations in the spot price.

It's going to take time but as we've been at it for at least the last few years I think we know and feel that our patience and persistence has paid off.

Well, it depends on how long we are talking about.  I frequently suggest that guys spend at least a whole cycle accumulating bitcoin before they might really start to expect to see data that might cause them to perhaps change or let off of their ongoing bitcoin accumulation.

Of course, if guys are able to front load their bitcoin investment or to reallocate from other assets into bitcoin, then they may well be able to speed up their bitcoin accumulation, otherwise it takes a long time, and even more than 4 years (a whole cycle) before progress might start to really show.

You have been registered on the forum for more than 10 years Furious 7 - so it may well be the case that you have been able to accumulate a decent amount of bitcoin.

Many members participating in this thread and similar threads around the forum may not have even had a whole cycle that they have been able to focus on accumulating bitcoin.

And, sure, even shorter lengths of time may well see improvements both in terms of building the bitcoin stash but also in regards to strengthening cashflow management practices/systems.

Although maybe for this aspect we only just got a few percent profit (even much bigger) for a temporary size in the investments we have made in the last few years but it is already visible that profits are in sight, it's just how to manage our patience, persistence and greed because in this case most of them especially the fomo always try to leave when the profit is only a few percent. If it is a long-term goal, it is clear that things like this are not too advisable, especially since there is no guarantee that after leaving we can re-enter easily and this is where our patience is tested.

Yep.  You make some good points, and it seems to me that even if guys are accumulating bitcoin for only a few years, they likely are spending time learning about bitcoin so that they might be able to become more convinced that it is better to invest for the long term, such as longer than 10 years... or whenever they might be able to determine that they have reached a status of accumulating enough or more than enough bitcoin so that they might be able to start something like sustainable withdrawal.

Sometimes guys might not really know about their goals or their target, and they can also study and figure out those kinds of matters as they are continuing to build up their bitcoin stack size.

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That is why I agree that trading is not for everyone..

If you don't have much knowledge about trading, then never trade. Because if you are ignorant, then you will lose more than that. Not everyone can profit in trading, because trading is not as easy as we think. But if you think that you are ready to lose your money and learn, then you can trade. Basically, you have to be ready for the pressure of losing your money.

I have heard many people who used to trade before, but when they realized that trading is almost a matter of knowledge and experience. Then they started investing in Bitcoin. So my advice is to invest in Bitcoin regularly and systematically for a long time. You can also profittet from future  this investment at a rate of 20%, if you can invest for 1-2 cycles. Investing in Bitcoin will be sustainable only when you invest for a long time. Trading makes sense only when you are experienced. But you don't need to know much to invest in Bitcoin, an investor learns everything slowly over time

Of course, everything has its own risks, whether it's investing or trading. Investing in Bitcoin itself may not require much knowledge, but there are many things to consider and prepare before investing.
In my own experience, a lack of funding, such as savings or an emergency fund, ultimately hampered my Bitcoin investment.
So, before investing in Bitcoin, it's a good idea to prepare for the essentials, such as an emergency fund, which is intended to cover sudden problems, including savings.

No mate, you must not prepare an emergency funds before you can get started with bitcoin accumulation and investment, once you’re able to figure out a discretionary income to use and invest in bitcoin it is advisable you get started immediately with your bitcoin accumulation and along the line you can be preparing some funds for your emergency funds as you’re already ongoing accumulating bitcoin. Emergency funds requires you to have at least 3-4 months of your expenses which is something you can not just be able to build in a day or months, and besides that keeping an emergency funds aside for bitcoin investment whereas you don’t have any bitcoin stash or portfolio to protect doesn’t make real sense, so the most important thing to do first is to be able to get started with your bitcoin accumulation immediately your discretionary income is ready and as time goes on while you’re investment is ongoing, you can be building your emergency funds along side while accumulating and investing in bitcoin. You must not wait to build your emergency funds first before getting started with your bitcoin accumulation and holding for the long term goal.